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Mitchell Robinson started all five games and averaged:
13.8 points (on 85% shooting!!!)
10.6 rebounds and
3.4 blocks
in 25.2 minutes.
He finished summer league with more than three times as many blocks (17) as missed shots (5).
He was 29-of-34 from the floor over the five games
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Ignas Brazdeikis appeared in all five games and averaged:
15.4 points (on 51% shooting) and 5.2 rebounds, and was 11-of-22 (50%) from 3-point territory.
Brazdeikis was one of only five players in Vegas to average more than 15 points and 5 boards while shooting above 50%
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RJ Barrett started all five of the Knicks summer league games and averaged:
15.4 points (on 34% shooting)
8.6 rebounds and
4.2 assists.
He is the first player in the history of the Las Vegas Summer League to average more than 15 points, more than 8 rebs and more than 4 assists.
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think Frank is traded for scraps within the next few months. Nothing they have said or done has suggested they still believe in him.
I hope they don't at this point. They won't get any value in return. I'd rather they hold onto him for his 3rd season and hopefully something clicks. I still see a chance he could become a good contributing NBA player and he's the only good perimeter defender on the roster.
Just reading the tea leaves and the way they handle him. Fiz has him as a 2 going forward.. Barrett at least for now is a 2. They have Bullock, Dotson Trier + added Payton to DSJ at the 1. Playing Mudiay extensively over Frank wasn't the best look either.
As an aside, it would have been nice if the Knicks had taken a flyer on Taco Fall. What's worse than not having him on the roster is that he's on the Celtics roster. Don't like that at all.
As an aside, it would have been nice if the Knicks had taken a flyer on Taco Fall. What's worse than not having him on the roster is that he's on the Celtics roster. Don't like that at all.
Fall was a steal. He's limited but will be a weapon if used correctly. Teams messed that one up, Bol round 2 another head scratcher, foot issue and all.
As an aside, it would have been nice if the Knicks had taken a flyer on Taco Fall. What's worse than not having him on the roster is that he's on the Celtics roster. Don't like that at all.
Knox's shot and physique looked like it had developed nicely in SL. He looked to me like a broader version of Brandon Ingram. A star? no. But likely a professional NBA wing that can score it in the mid to late teens.
He certainly did. Of course, he was the 2nd youngest player in the league on a team with minimal leadership and in a tank mode. I suspect that starts to change with maturity, his changed surroundings and a much improved handle that will allow him to not settle for bad shots so often
Lol it's funny how you are seemingly talking about an overreaction here yet this being a huge overreaction in the other way after his last few games. He did not have one of the best all around summer leagues in history.
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Knick fashion everyone came out slamming Barrett after 2 games when he's 19 and hadn't played since March. Then all he does is go out and have one of the better all around summer leagues in history. The kid is taking the franchise on his shoulders so maybe give his career a second to breathe. He's gonna be an awesome, all star caliber player year over year in his prime.
Lol it's funny how you are seemingly talking about an overreaction here yet this being a huge overreaction in the other way after his last few games. He did not have one of the best all around summer leagues in history.
Probably referring to this.
"He is the first player in the history of the Las Vegas Summer League to average more than 15 points, more than 8 rebs and more than 4 assists"
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Knick fashion everyone came out slamming Barrett after 2 games when he's 19 and hadn't played since March. Then all he does is go out and have one of the better all around summer leagues in history. The kid is taking the franchise on his shoulders so maybe give his career a second to breathe. He's gonna be an awesome, all star caliber player year over year in his prime.
Lol it's funny how you are seemingly talking about an overreaction here yet this being a huge overreaction in the other way after his last few games. He did not have one of the best all around summer leagues in history.
Probably referring to this.
"He is the first player in the history of the Las Vegas Summer League to average more than 15 points, more than 8 rebs and more than 4 assists"
Yeah well FG % matters too...
Actually, Knox did improve. Increased in FG %, 3p%, points, rebounds in the 2nd half. And again, the 2nd youngest guy in the league on a tanking team with no point guard and nobody that you would consider a good passer for his position.
I don't personally think Ntilikina will ever be a viable NBA player. It has less to do with development and more to do with the way he is wired. In short, I think he remains scared of this environment. He is afraid to take shots. Nice kid, but probably doesn't belong playing on this side of the ocean.
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think Fizdale deserves some "blame" for how little development we saw from Knox/Frank. It's not clear what the system and expectations were. Fiz's rep is in player development but did we really see that? I mean we have nothing to really compare Mitch to, but the other young player came in looking X and mostly looked the same to end the season. Didn't care for Trier having a green light vs. other players, strange.
Actually, Knox did improve. Increased in FG %, 3p%, points, rebounds in the 2nd half. And again, the 2nd youngest guy in the league on a tanking team with no point guard and nobody that you would consider a good passer for his position.
I don't personally think Ntilikina will ever be a viable NBA player. It has less to do with development and more to do with the way he is wired. In short, I think he remains scared of this environment. He is afraid to take shots. Nice kid, but probably doesn't belong playing on this side of the ocean.
You can't honestly tell me you saw a tangible developmental difference in Knox's game. He had some solid games a long the way. You really think shooting 38% vs. 36% (second half vs. first) is something to give Fizdale credit for? or .6 rebounds more? .5 rebounds? I'm not giving up on Knox but he was disappointing and I don't recall many (if any) people were really impressed with what he did second half vs. first. Looked like the same player to me.
Probably because they dont want to have a press cknference where the media just asks about kd and kyrie..
I'm taking Barrett, Mitch 2nd, then Knox.
You don't have to like Allonzo Trier's game, but he was clearly prepared to play last season. I don't know that we have to really hold someone's feet to the fire regarding player development.
You don't have to like Allonzo Trier's game, but he was clearly prepared to play last season. I don't know that we have to really hold someone's feet to the fire regarding player development.
You misunderstood the Trier point. Fizdale oddly allowed him to have a green light and even joked about the iso ball he played. Strange to give a role player a different set of “rules”
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is there anyone on BBI who would take Knox over Mitch if you could only have one? If you could only have Knox/Mitch/Frank/Barrett... who do you take?
I'm taking Barrett, Mitch 2nd, then Knox.
It's a little early, but I'm wondering where Iggy is going to fit in on that company.
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who didn't play college basketball and had sat out for a full calendar year. Any way you slice his rookie year it's a testament to player development to not only get him ready to play, but be excellent.
You don't have to like Allonzo Trier's game, but he was clearly prepared to play last season. I don't know that we have to really hold someone's feet to the fire regarding player development.
You misunderstood the Trier point. Fizdale oddly allowed him to have a green light and even joked about the iso ball he played. Strange to give a role player a different set of “rules”
When you look at last year's roster, they didn't really have a clear cut pecking order for a 'go to' scorer. In a year where the front office seemed to be on the same page about tanking, I don't think it's so strange. After the all star break they were just trying to play out the rest of the season and see who had the talent to play in the league or not.
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think Fizdale deserves some "blame" for how little development we saw from Knox/Frank. It's not clear what the system and expectations were. Fiz's rep is in player development but did we really see that? I mean we have nothing to really compare Mitch to, but the other young player came in looking X and mostly looked the same to end the season. Didn't care for Trier having a green light vs. other players, strange.
Actually, Knox did improve. Increased in FG %, 3p%, points, rebounds in the 2nd half. And again, the 2nd youngest guy in the league on a tanking team with no point guard and nobody that you would consider a good passer for his position.
I don't personally think Ntilikina will ever be a viable NBA player. It has less to do with development and more to do with the way he is wired. In short, I think he remains scared of this environment. He is afraid to take shots. Nice kid, but probably doesn't belong playing on this side of the ocean.
Knox did not improve last season. If anything he got worse. Let’s hope he has a big 2nd year but he had a really bad rookie year. There’s no denying that and it’s a mark on Fizdale’s player development record.
Some people get so much joy out of minimizing Knox's potential.