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TB
T d'Arnaud (R) C
T Pham (R) LF
M Brosseau (R) 3B
Y Díaz (R) 1B
A García (R) DH
K Kiermaier (L) CF
G Heredia (R) RF
W Adames (R) SS
J Wendle (L) 2B
NYY
D LeMahieu (R) 2B
A Judge (R) RF
L Voit (R) DH
G Sánchez (R) C
A Hicks (S) CF
E Encarnación (R) 1B
G Torres (R) SS
G Urshela (R) 3B
B Gardner (L) LF
Snell vs Paxton
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Chapman is a choker..
The cockroaches are out in force tonight
Yup, you came out right on cue..
All we needed was prdave to shake his fucking head.
By the way - doesn't Chapman have a nearly identical save % to Mo over their careers?
A lot of the bellyaching is perception - and a pretty shitty perception to boot.
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Yankees are among teams interested in Robbie Ray. There are surely quite a few teams interested.
He'll probably get hurt in the Rays' next series, now that he did his damage in this one.
Wake me in October.
Voit is obviously in a rut because he keeps trying to steal walks. Gotta protect the plate with 2 strikes.
...but I'd much rather be in the Yankees position right now than any other team chasing them in the A.L. East!
He's hit 4 HRs on outside pitches. You think somebody might try in on his hands?
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1-2 and 2-2 were both sliders. D’Arnaud seems to have good reads on both pitches. He barely fouled off a fastball. Then a hanging slider gets first row on us. Blah.
He's hit 4 HRs on outside pitches. You think somebody might try in on his hands?
That's it, you don't get beat by your second best pitch!
That was brutal, Travis d'Arnaud, I mean seriously
with 3 HR's!
I thought he was similar to Rivera and I looked it up. Both have an 89% save rate. Rivera blew 80 saves out of 732 chances and Chapman has blown 31 saves out of 292 chances.
Both have similar K per game totals. Chapman has a higher walk rate.
Both of them are among the top in several categories all-time.
Believe me - you want Chapman as the closer as opposed to a guy like Kimbrel or even Robertson. Him not being on the team makes the Yankees weaker. Much weaker.
The Rays are a good team. All 4 games last week were nip and tuck.
Right now they are in a bit of a hitting slump. It isn't the 1st blown save of the year; it won't be the last.
The Rays are a good team. All 4 games last week were nip and tuck.
Right now they are in a bit of a hitting slump. It isn't the 1st blown save of the year; it won't be the last.
Agreed.
I think what added to the frustration for some was the Yanks coming back,taking the late lead and being one strike away from a win it didn't feel like they were going to get most of the night.
Throw in getting beat by your second best pitch to a guy who most feel isn't a decent player, and the frustration is understandable. The over reactions though, are not IMO.
That's baseball, Suzyn.
Laughable that anyone would use the moment to go hard in the paint on Chapman.
As for Robbie Ray -- he has really good stuff, but would feel like an odd TDL add. He seems like the type of guy that you acquire in the offseason and really try to work with to rein-in the walks and work on mechanics, pitch-mix, and approach to turn him into something closer to his talent ceiling. In terms of stretch run and playoffs, not a guy who brings much peace of mind. He's been a volatile, volatile performer in his career thus far.
I wouldn't hate it, but I'd be a little surprised if he's "the guy" they view as solving the TDL pitching puzzle.
That said, it really is a demoralizing loss. Our SP is turning around, and now we're not scoring runs all of a sudden. Slumps happen, and if this is one so be it. Still in great shape.
The only one that truly comes even close(and is not a better closer) is hurt right now and he is already a Yankee - Dellin Betances.
He's hit 4 HRs on outside pitches. You think somebody might try in on his hands?
They tried that his 3rd AB. He didn't swing at anything and drew a walk. He was just locked in. Also, his second HR came on a pitch that was supposed to be inside, but Maple left it over the plate.
Now, the question has been raised, if not Chapman, then who? It’s a good question because no one else really screams at me as “the guy” either.
Obviously the Yankees are not going to release the guy. I said that 30 seconds after D’Arnaud hit a 3 run homer to take the lead. Now, I’d prefer they’d go in the time machine and bring me out a 98 version of Mo, but that’s not going to happen.
I would very much like to be wrong and the guy saves 6 games in the playoffs to help us win a championship.
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He's hit 4 HRs on outside pitches. You think somebody might try in on his hands?
They tried that his 3rd AB. He didn't swing at anything and drew a walk. He was just locked in. Also, his second HR came on a pitch that was supposed to be inside, but Maple left it over the plate.
What about strike one in the 9th? He didn't come close to connecting with that heater, and shouldn't have seen anything but that the rest of the AB IMO.
Maybe one slider in the dirt to see if he chases but never one even close to the plate and definitely not more than that or any he could get a good look at or time. It's one of those baseball sins to never get beat on your second best pitch and it was a mistake both he and Sanchez hopefully don't make again.
Now, the question has been raised, if not Chapman, then who? It’s a good question because no one else really screams at me as “the guy” either.
Obviously the Yankees are not going to release the guy. I said that 30 seconds after D’Arnaud hit a 3 run homer to take the lead. Now, I’d prefer they’d go in the time machine and bring me out a 98 version of Mo, but that’s not going to happen.
I would very much like to be wrong and the guy saves 6 games in the playoffs to help us win a championship.
Than what would you rank the other 29 closers? 4s and 5s?
Should have just said you were frustrated last night and sorry for the comments. This makes it sound like you are actually standing by them and rationalizing them.
If the Yankees have a save situation in the playoffs or regular season, I want Chapman on that mound.
and that's pretty fucking hard to do if he's wished off the team....
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Game 7, playoffs vs. Houston, 4-3 lead. How confident are you that Chapman gets the save? If you had to put it at a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being absolutely highest confidence you could have, I’d put Chapman at a 6 or 7. I realize that’s still pretty good, but for all the marbles, I don’t trust him. I see him walking guys that have no business touching his stuff. I always get the sense that he’s not a guy who can hit corners at all. He’s just not a favorite of mine.
Now, the question has been raised, if not Chapman, then who? It’s a good question because no one else really screams at me as “the guy” either.
Obviously the Yankees are not going to release the guy. I said that 30 seconds after D’Arnaud hit a 3 run homer to take the lead. Now, I’d prefer they’d go in the time machine and bring me out a 98 version of Mo, but that’s not going to happen.
I would very much like to be wrong and the guy saves 6 games in the playoffs to help us win a championship.
Than what would you rank the other 29 closers? 4s and 5s?
Depends on who we’re talking about. But yeah, a lot of them, I don’t have a high opinion. It’s a tough gig. Last year, I’d have said Diaz in Seattle. This year, he looks shaky with the Mets.
Should have just said you were frustrated last night and sorry for the comments. This makes it sound like you are actually standing by them and rationalizing them.
If the Yankees have a save situation in the playoffs or regular season, I want Chapman on that mound.
and that's pretty fucking hard to do if he's wished off the team....
I thought the frustration was obvious lol. I’m not exactly sorry for the comments, because I don’t feel comfortable with the guy in a big spot.
Best I can tell you is I hope you’re right and I’m wrong.
All the more reason to not chance getting beat by your second best pitch. There's no way IMO, that guy could hit that HR off Chapman's heater, and why it was a mistake to chance getting beat by any other pitch.
To me they're both at fault for not realizing that but it happens and is over and done with. It's just one game and I'm not going to go nuts over a mistake. I just hope when faced with a similar scenario next time they go with their best.
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He's hit 4 HRs on outside pitches. You think somebody might try in on his hands?
They tried that his 3rd AB. He didn't swing at anything and drew a walk. He was just locked in. Also, his second HR came on a pitch that was supposed to be inside, but Maple left it over the plate.
You do know that you can throw strikes inside, right?
So Paxton threw it over the outside part of the place and missed his spot. That does not mean he threw a strike inside. There is no way d'Arnaud gets to the 100 mph on his hands for a HR. All 4 Hrs were to right field on balls on the outer part or the plate.
Hopefully we bring the bats tonight. Enough of the 4 runs per game maximum.
Maybe someone else should do the GDT tonight.
What about strike one in the 9th? He didn't come close to connecting with that heater, and shouldn't have seen anything but that the rest of the AB IMO.
Maybe one slider in the dirt to see if he chases but never one even close to the plate and definitely not more than that or any he could get a good look at or time. It's one of those baseball sins to never get beat on your second best pitch and it was a mistake both he and Sanchez hopefully don't make again.
Look at this chart. His slider has been the most valuable pitch he's had this season. I agree that TDA looked overmatched on the fastball, but Chappy's slider is hardly some secondary "show-me" trash.
Chapman pitch values - 2019 - ( New Window )
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What about strike one in the 9th? He didn't come close to connecting with that heater, and shouldn't have seen anything but that the rest of the AB IMO.
Maybe one slider in the dirt to see if he chases but never one even close to the plate and definitely not more than that or any he could get a good look at or time. It's one of those baseball sins to never get beat on your second best pitch and it was a mistake both he and Sanchez hopefully don't make again.
Look at this chart. His slider has been the most valuable pitch he's had this season. I agree that TDA looked overmatched on the fastball, but Chappy's slider is hardly some secondary "show-me" trash. Chapman pitch values - 2019 - ( New Window )
Chapman's slider has been better than good. He threw a bad one and even at that the ball barely cleared the wall. True d'Arnaud just tipped one off the very end of his bat on strike two. I thought he would go back to the FB after throwing the sliders. But it is spilt milk at this point. They though he'd be sitting dead red.
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What about strike one in the 9th? He didn't come close to connecting with that heater, and shouldn't have seen anything but that the rest of the AB IMO.
Maybe one slider in the dirt to see if he chases but never one even close to the plate and definitely not more than that or any he could get a good look at or time. It's one of those baseball sins to never get beat on your second best pitch and it was a mistake both he and Sanchez hopefully don't make again.
Look at this chart. His slider has been the most valuable pitch he's had this season. I agree that TDA looked overmatched on the fastball, but Chappy's slider is hardly some secondary "show-me" trash. Chapman pitch values - 2019 - ( New Window )
I'm not freaking out over this or over reacting to it, just discussing it. Shit happens and it happened last night that Chapman got beat on his second best pitch, and a hanger at that. I agree his slider has for the most part been excellent this year but at this point in his career, it's still not his best pitch in spite of being pretty damn good most of the time.
My only point was to me d'Arnaud had no shot at the heater and I think most would agree he looked overmatched against it at 101mph. Why try to fix what ain't broke? I'd have rathered he went after him with the #1 until d'Arnaud proved he could do anything with it.
If he got beat on the heater so be it but to get beat by hanging your second best pitch just stings more to me. Especially against a guy who didn't have a shot against his best pitch. Again, I'm not freaking out over it just offering my opinion. It was just one game but a mistake I hope doesn't happen again is really the only point I'm trying to make. Go down with your best IMO. That goes for players as well as everything else in the game.
Maybe someone else should do the GDT tonight.
Grab some bench tonight, kid...you need a rest.
My only point was to me d'Arnaud had no shot at the heater and I think most would agree he looked overmatched against it at 101mph. Why try to fix what ain't broke? I'd have rathered he went after him with the #1 until d'Arnaud proved he could do anything with it.
...... Go down with your best IMO. That goes for players as well as everything else in the game.
The slider saved his butt several times this year. He has a 2nd pitch for a reason. It was obvious d'Arnaud was looking FB only. While people say he spit on the previous two sliders, he had two pitches to give away, so any off speed pitch he was not even considering and neither of those two was really close. On 3-2 he had to swing and it was a hanger, unfortunately he got just enough to porch it.
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My only point was to me d'Arnaud had no shot at the heater and I think most would agree he looked overmatched against it at 101mph. Why try to fix what ain't broke? I'd have rathered he went after him with the #1 until d'Arnaud proved he could do anything with it.
...... Go down with your best IMO. That goes for players as well as everything else in the game.
The slider saved his butt several times this year. He has a 2nd pitch for a reason. It was obvious d'Arnaud was looking FB only. While people say he spit on the previous two sliders, he had two pitches to give away, so any off speed pitch he was not even considering and neither of those two was really close. On 3-2 he had to swing and it was a hanger, unfortunately he got just enough to porch it.
He might've been looking FB but he still wasn't close to catching up to it on strike one. Sorry section, even though we agree on most things Yanks and baseball, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.
I'm with Coney's analysis all the way on this. He was saying you can see by d'Arnauds body language he was picking up the slider and spitting on it, and it should be the #1 all the way. I'm 100% in agreement with him,and not a second guess either. I was calling for it the whole AB here at the house.
It happens though and I understand Chapman having and needing a good second pitch. Usually it's good enough but when a guy can't catch up to your best pitch, why go away from that and give him a chance to speed up his bat and do damage? Again, why fix what ain't broke?
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My only point was to me d'Arnaud had no shot at the heater and I think most would agree he looked overmatched against it at 101mph. Why try to fix what ain't broke? I'd have rathered he went after him with the #1 until d'Arnaud proved he could do anything with it.
...... Go down with your best IMO. That goes for players as well as everything else in the game.
The slider saved his butt several times this year. He has a 2nd pitch for a reason. It was obvious d'Arnaud was looking FB only. While people say he spit on the previous two sliders, he had two pitches to give away, so any off speed pitch he was not even considering and neither of those two was really close. On 3-2 he had to swing and it was a hanger, unfortunately he got just enough to porch it.
He might've been looking FB but he still wasn't close to catching up to it on strike one. Sorry section, even though we agree on most things Yanks and baseball, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.
I'm with Coney's analysis all the way on this. He was saying you can see by d'Arnauds body language he was picking up the slider and spitting on it, and it should be the #1 all the way. I'm 100% in agreement with him,and not a second guess either. I was calling for it the whole AB here at the house.
It happens though and I understand Chapman having and needing a good second pitch. Usually it's good enough but when a guy can't catch up to your best pitch, why go away from that and give him a chance to speed up his bat and do damage? Again, why fix what ain't broke?
Yeah, that's fine, good by me. I sometimes try to guess with Sanchez. I'm not good at it. I certainly would have thought FB was the pitch, but Sanchez thought differently. Especially when the very tip of the bat was all d'Arnaud got on that 101 mph FB for strike 2. \
Eh, live and learn.