doesn't literally mean he can't ever do it. It means it isn't a strength and something an opponent can scheme against. The sideline throws are a weakness for him, if it wasn't he'd be a top QB in the league. In his defense its hard for a lot of QB's but he's definitely one of them.
it has to come down to if he can make all the throws or if he has shown he can play well at times. It should come down to if he is worth a substantial contract and can he lead the team if the OL deteriorates or if Zeke is no longer there. I don't think he can.
Look at the Chiefs. Alex Smith had turned into a capable QB. One that was part of playoff teams. Yet, they didn't have much of a problem letting him leave to have Mahomes play. The Redskins seemingly made a good choice in not giving Cousins a huge contract, but of course, blowing a wad on Smith wasn't prudent either. The Dolphins wisely didn't give Tannehill a new contract. Meanwhile, the Raiders have Carr there and he's likely not the answer.
If your QB is not a franchise guy, paying him a ridiculous contract or signing a FA making ridiculous $$$ doesn't make a lot of sense. I think Jax will see that this year. I think Washington and Denver saw that last year.
it has to come down to if he can make all the throws or if he has shown he can play well at times. It should come down to if he is worth a substantial contract and can he lead the team if the OL deteriorates or if Zeke is no longer there. I don't think he can.
Look at the Chiefs. Alex Smith had turned into a capable QB. One that was part of playoff teams. Yet, they didn't have much of a problem letting him leave to have Mahomes play. The Redskins seemingly made a good choice in not giving Cousins a huge contract, but of course, blowing a wad on Smith wasn't prudent either. The Dolphins wisely didn't give Tannehill a new contract. Meanwhile, the Raiders have Carr there and he's likely not the answer.
If your QB is not a franchise guy, paying him a ridiculous contract or signing a FA making ridiculous $$$ doesn't make a lot of sense. I think Jax will see that this year. I think Washington and Denver saw that last year.
I don't think Alex Smith is a good comparison in this situation. Smith was at his ceiling. His shoulder injury really capped how good he could have been.
Dak, which has been pointed out before, does all the "hard" things very well. His one big negative, his accuracy, is something that can be worked and improved on. This is where these two situations differ and puts Dallas in a bind. If he can solve this one issue in his game, well Dallas probably has a Superbowl in their future unfortunately. This is why Dallas is stalling on the contract. More data gives them a more informed decision. Worked out for us because if they just did it last season he probably signs for 25 million a year and he has a show he is worth that much.
where we disagree is I think Dak is at his ceiling.
His surrounding cast hides much of the issues he has with accuracy and reads. They can go a couple of drives with not having to throw a ball 10+ yards and still move the chains.
He can sit in the pocket until receivers get open, but he also has extra time to let routes develop, so if he wants to run after a few seconds, the intermediate area has cleared out for him to gain additional yards.
I don't think Dak is going to improve much and I don't think on most teams he's going to be successful. I hope the Cowboys pay him a boatload. He's not who I worry about having to face twice a year.
also disagree that accuracy can be worked on and improved. It is one area that usually doesn't improve in a QB's development.
That's one of the reasons that QB's with a poor completion % in college don't become accurate passers in the NFL and why there is even a benchmark that being under a 57% completion rate in college is a death knell for the NFL.
what you see on tape. Dak's accuracy issues aren't like other QBs where they lose accuracy as they are getting pressured. That is something that is almost impossible to work on. His issues come from out and out missing guys wide open with time in the pocket. This is something that can be remedied. The reason you don't see guys make this jump is because I can't remember the last QB that played well enough in NFL that had this glaring hole in their game have the success Dak had. I can't even think of too many QBs period that got to this level with this issue. This speaks volumes to the other things he does well.
it speaks volumes to how much the other parts of the team support him.
If Dak is missing wide open guys when he has time, imagine how good the Cowboys would be with a QB that makes those completions?
Dak is called on very few times a year to win a game on his own, and when he does - it is against us!! A team with a good defense like the Titans showed how you stop the Cowboys. Load the box - contain the edge on Dak and force him to stand in and make throws. If he doesn't have his outlets open, he'll resort to chucking it deep. against a secondary like ours - it worked. Against the Titans it failed miserably.
also disagree that accuracy can be worked on and improved. It is one area that usually doesn't improve in a QB's development.
That's one of the reasons that QB's with a poor completion % in college don't become accurate passers in the NFL and why there is even a benchmark that being under a 57% completion rate in college is a death knell for the NFL.
Again with that stupid "benchmark". Well Prescott completed 62% of his passes in college so I guess he makes the accuracy "benchmark" you are so fond of quoting.
I don't like the Cowboys anymore than anyone else here, but this is ridiculous. Prescott has been a lottery ticket find as a 4th rounder and has been a very consistent and good qb for the Cowboys. If Jones comes in here and does what Prescott does, you guys will be lining up to slurp his dick.
I don't think of highly of Dak's supporting cast as you do. Â
The 2018 Cowboys Oline wasn't the 2016 version, not even close. Barely top 10 last year. Zeke is a top 5 RB, but the rest of the Cowboys skill position players are mediocre at best. Yes that includes Amari, he is a mediocre number 1 option.
What Amari gave that offense though was someone that could beat man coverage, which they played a ton against as a run first team, down the field. Beasley could but he isn't the big play type that will make you pay. The Cowboys offense is a great example of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts.
already said Dak gets a ton of completions due to the short passing game so that’s part of his higher completion %. He did the same in college, context really matters here.
And I also think that benchmark was a separate statement. He said it’s rare or almost unheard of to improve accuracy in the NFL so players sub 60% will generally not improve because the NFL is more difficult - ie any QB not just Dak, will have a hard time improving.
It’s got nothing to do with being a homer. Most of my NFL discussion circle aren’t Giants fans and feel the same way. So the scouts. So do professionals in the NFL. Not sure what more you want.
Maybe Prescott will break the mold, I doubt it though.
Again with that stupid "benchmark". Well Prescott completed 62% of his passes in college so I guess he makes the accuracy "benchmark" you are so fond of quoting.
I was addressing the part about accuracy - not Dak's collegiate accuracy or his viability in being drafted.
The tone you take regarding the 57% "benchmark" is an odd one. There have been only 2 QB's since 1997 drafted who ended up being starters for more than 2 seasons who had a 57% or lower completion % in college. It is fine if you don't like a stat, but it is a damn good predictor of QB's who will fail.
Also, it is used because there are a fair number of posters who talk about prospects with poor completion % as being a factor of other influences like a poor WR corp or a bad team or a bad OL.
The guy completed 67% of his passes last year (68 if you round up), and has a career % of about 65%. Having only 22 TDs as an average doesn't bother me, he's only been in the league 3 years.
For comparison sake. Eli had about the same # of TDs per year his first 4 years, perhaps 1 more TD per year...I'll throw away the first year since he didn't start the whole year.
So we'll have to see how Dak progresses, but if I am the cowboys I'd pay him to give me 65% 22TD and single digit INTs every year for sure.
As someone said earlier, If he were in Blue we'd be begging DG to pay him sooner rather than later so his cost doesn't go up at the end of the season.
Dallas has more than enough money to sign Prescott and Cooper this year, Elliott next year. Dallas will be able to resign ANY of their core players and remain competitive.
The secret to Dallas being able to do this is drafting very well and being very conservative in free agency.
Dallas will lose players in 2020, but Dallas has many of their replacements already on the roster, and those that they don't is what the 2020 off season will be about.
its really difficult to find a QB, esp when you're a team with a winning record every year. They will prob end up at the back half of the draft again this year. The kid from Alabama and Oregon will be gone by then.
Brady, Brees, Rodgers, will be done soon leaving the NFL wide open at QB outside of say Luck, Mahomes and Wilson. We may end up seeing mediocre QB play be enough to win more often than not.
Brady, Brees, Rodgers, will be done soon leaving the NFL wide open at QB outside of say Luck, Mahomes and Wilson. We may end up seeing mediocre QB play be enough to win more often than not.
it’s unspeakable that at 40 years of age, give or take, he received such an enormous contract. HOF or not, he was way overpaid with his extension. Who in their right mind would have given him even close to what he extended for?
Baker and Mahomes coming in the NFL in back to back years in Â
time to replace Brees and Brady. Hopefully we can add Jones to that list going back to back to back lol. Probably not, but man I'd love to have an year over year elite QB.
I didn’t even include Ben and Rivers. Once those 5 are gone there is a tremendous drop off outside of the 3 i mentioned. And Wilson/Luck will be 30+ at the start of the season.
Teams can’t keep investing top dollar on decent players. The model will pop sooner or later and what better time than the end of this era of QB that can happen anytime in the next year or two?
like Goff and Wentz
Then you have the 2018 class that is looking pretty good.
Maybe even Jones will become elite
they guys like Lawrence are coming down the pike.
There will continue to be elite QB play. The league is not going to be dominate by a bunch of Trent Dilfers. I dont see it happening.
even Goff and Wentz have some question marks around them.
Wentz needs to stay healthy and Goff still is looked at as being a product of the system.
And outside of Mayfield, the 2018 class hasn't done much to signify there are several long-term starters there. It may come to pass, but Rosen is on his second team, Darnold will need to make strides. Allen has a lot of questions still about accuracy and durability and Jackson will have to learn to pass the ball.
it’s unspeakable that at 40 years of age, give or take, he received such an enormous contract. HOF or not, he was way overpaid with his extension. Who in their right mind would have given him even close to what he extended for?
25 a year for two years when the top paid guys are getting well over 30? I would have no problem paying that. His contract is totally reasonable
I hope they hitch themselves to his wagon long term Â
like Goff and Wentz
Then you have the 2018 class that is looking pretty good.
Maybe even Jones will become elite
they guys like Lawrence are coming down the pike.
There will continue to be elite QB play. The league is not going to be dominate by a bunch of Trent Dilfers. I dont see it happening.
First, not a single guy mentioned is on a HoF trajectory - one guy isn't even in the league and we've all see guys flame out before (not saying Lawrence will but i'll let him play and not get inured before penciling him in).
Second, I'm not talking about Trent Dilfer's so please don't put words in my mouth. He wasn't medicore, he was a bad starting NFL QB. Career losing record, more INTS than TD's, and a horrendous completion %. I wouldn't want him as my backup let alone starting.
I'm talking about your Alex Smiths, Kirk Cousins, Dak Presotts of the league. They are going to start seeing more playoff wins once the current crop of HoFers retire. The door is going to be wide open and the league will likely change. I am not suggesting some 180 where the position is obsolete, but some sort of a change is coming. Not expecting a change in the NFL will leave you in the rearview mirror, hasn't history shown you that?
what do you mean by that? Are you expecting them to magically be better? Wentz may have seen his peak and Goff is what he is I think - he's a prime candidate of someone you don't give a massive deal to.
I believe you are describing what I am, guys winning by default because the big guns (or many of them) will be gone).
I happen to think that when those guys are gone there will be a new group of superstar QBs
And as I stated in my last post, when those guys are gone, there will be 4-5 vacancies in which new players will have an opportunity to start their own HOF career.
There will also be guys like Andy Dalton out of the league soon. Maybe the next guy in cinci will be Boomer 2.0
Not impossible they they don’t give him a mega deal Â
But I doubt it. He’s not a great QB to me either. This is what fucked Wash up. They went and over paid Capt Kirk but on that stupid tag. Dallas isn’t as dumb as Washington but I think they have to sign him to a long term contract.
They won’t be picking anywhere near the top of the draft so saying they will get one of the top guys in the the draft seems highly unlikely. They will lose players. My guess is Elliot will be the one to be let go. Easier to find a good RB after round one. And w that OL they probably feel he’s the more replaceable
I can't believe all the people that think the Boys are letting Zeke go Â
He's the one that makes that offense go! People are criminally underrating him because they don't like him. He is the third best RB in the league to after Saquon and McCaffery. You give him a second contract unless he gets some sort of injury. Cooper is the one you let move to greener pastures. He is easily replaceable, Zeke is not. People act like you can just replace RBs just because they are found in the later rounds. Yeh you know how many RBs that get drafted after the first that aren't Kamara or Hunt? A ton of them.
They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
You are right on the pulse of what's happening in Dallas.
The front office has come out multiple times that the deals for these players will get done.
First will be Prescott, next will be Cooper, and I believe Jones during the season, if he proves that the hip injury is ok. Elliott will get paid in the 2020 off season.
Cog in their offense. But if they pay Zeke Dak and Cooper they will lose players somewhere. Smith on D will need to get paid too.
QB contracts are insane. If Minny paid that stiff Cousins 25 million w all that guaranteed money Dak’s contract for going to have to average between 25-30 million per. Would love to see how all these guys get paid. Saying all head guys will get paid w Any sure certainty is naive
If you're going to give a guy a "franchise QB" deal, he'd better be able to make all the throws.
Maybe Prescott will learn how to throw a deep sideline pass that isn't woefully off-target. But I'd make him prove he can before I paid him like he can.
Unfortunately, the Dallas Cowboys are better managed than they used to be. So we'll see.
Here's the thing: You're evaluating him on whether you'd want him on your team. He's good at this, bad at that, not good enough here, not worth the money. Totally fair.
But Dallas already has him on their team. They've won with him. They know what they have. If they don't pay him, and they lose him, they have to find another QB somewhere, which is difficult and can be expensive in its own right. If they draft a QB and he doesn't pan out (which is what you are saying has happened with Dak) then you have another 2-4 years down the drain and at that point your window is probably closed with this group.
what do you mean by that? Are you expecting them to magically be better? Wentz may have seen his peak and Goff is what he is I think - he's a prime candidate of someone you don't give a massive deal to.
I believe you are describing what I am, guys winning by default because the big guns (or many of them) will be gone).
the guys in the first 1 or 2 years, yes I expect them to get better.
I also expect that there are guys who are not yet playing who will become HOF players. I mean thats inevitable, isn't it? There will be guys like Brady who come out of nowhere. There will be guys like brees who a change in scenery takes him to the next level. And there will be guys like Payton who will be drafted 1 overall who you know are going to be great from the start.
what if they could be better with a different QB??
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But Dallas already has him on their team. They've won with him. They know what they have. If they don't pay him, and they lose him, they have to find another QB somewhere, which is difficult and can be expensive in its own right.
I mentioned Kerry Collins above. He was a decent QB. He played on a SB team. But should the Giants have paid him a lot of money on a next contract?? No. And they ended up winning two SB's without him. Dallas has a top OL. A top RB. A D that stat-wise was very good last year. And I think Dak is holding them back.
Which is why I hope they pay the guy handsomely. and I hope they keep Garrett around. Because once again - people talk about how good Dallas is - yet if the giants had gone 25 years without sniffing the SB, I'm sure we wouldn't be pleased, especially if we had an OL that is considered to be one of the all-time greats.
Or Mahomes and the Chiefs could go on a Pats like run Â
They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
See, the three exclamation points is how you know it's true.
They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
You are right on the pulse of what's happening in Dallas.
The front office has come out multiple times that the deals for these players will get done.
First will be Prescott, next will be Cooper, and I believe Jones during the season, if he proves that the hip injury is ok. Elliott will get paid in the 2020 off season.
I think you nailed it Cowboys are starved for a Tittle and they are poised to make a run the window is open .
probably in that 10-16 rank. Plenty good enough to win with most of the time. He is inconsistent and a guy that you don't want to have to win a lot of games for you but he can do it. You can analyze all you want, he has been successful in this league at times and that alone is why he will get paid.
What is everyones take on a franchise QB anyway? If a franchise guy is top 5 or bust then there are only 5 teams that have a franchise QB. Eli has always been a 8-14 type of QB in ranking for me. I never saw him as the best in the game but he was good enough to win us 2 Superbowls and flashed top 5 in 2012 but was never consistently good enough to stay there.
Dak is what he is, he'll never be the best in the league but he also doesn't lose many games for Dallas. He'll get paid. Dallas is plagued more by bad coaching than bad QB play. I would say Garrett is a low level coach bottom 1/3 guy. They have talent and struggle every year. With an OL like they had they should have been a perennial powerhouse but instead they always looked better on paper. Thats on the coach.
We’re entering his ninth full season with the team and there’s no question that in the now almost-decade everyone here would have liked to have won the Super Bowl. Such is the case for all NFL teams.
Truthfully though, Jason Garrett has at the very least always kept the Cowboys competitive. Nobody is saying this is the goal or the standard, but it’s notable. His teams have either made the playoffs or played games in Week 17 with playoff implications in all but two seasons (not counting the 2010 season in which he was the interim head coach). That’s 75%.
They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
You are right on the pulse of what's happening in Dallas.
The front office has come out multiple times that the deals for these players will get done.
First will be Prescott, next will be Cooper, and I believe Jones during the season, if he proves that the hip injury is ok. Elliott will get paid in the 2020 off season.
I think you nailed it Cowboys are starved for a Tittle and they are poised to make a run the window is open .
That’s the point: Since they can’t get Tittle, Zak’s the guy
Top WR
Top RB
Top 3 OL
Really good defense
Seems like with a cast like that - they should be competing for Lombardi ‘s rather than just division titles.
That's what I said?
Look at the Chiefs. Alex Smith had turned into a capable QB. One that was part of playoff teams. Yet, they didn't have much of a problem letting him leave to have Mahomes play. The Redskins seemingly made a good choice in not giving Cousins a huge contract, but of course, blowing a wad on Smith wasn't prudent either. The Dolphins wisely didn't give Tannehill a new contract. Meanwhile, the Raiders have Carr there and he's likely not the answer.
If your QB is not a franchise guy, paying him a ridiculous contract or signing a FA making ridiculous $$$ doesn't make a lot of sense. I think Jax will see that this year. I think Washington and Denver saw that last year.
Look at the Chiefs. Alex Smith had turned into a capable QB. One that was part of playoff teams. Yet, they didn't have much of a problem letting him leave to have Mahomes play. The Redskins seemingly made a good choice in not giving Cousins a huge contract, but of course, blowing a wad on Smith wasn't prudent either. The Dolphins wisely didn't give Tannehill a new contract. Meanwhile, the Raiders have Carr there and he's likely not the answer.
If your QB is not a franchise guy, paying him a ridiculous contract or signing a FA making ridiculous $$$ doesn't make a lot of sense. I think Jax will see that this year. I think Washington and Denver saw that last year.
I don't think Alex Smith is a good comparison in this situation. Smith was at his ceiling. His shoulder injury really capped how good he could have been.
Dak, which has been pointed out before, does all the "hard" things very well. His one big negative, his accuracy, is something that can be worked and improved on. This is where these two situations differ and puts Dallas in a bind. If he can solve this one issue in his game, well Dallas probably has a Superbowl in their future unfortunately. This is why Dallas is stalling on the contract. More data gives them a more informed decision. Worked out for us because if they just did it last season he probably signs for 25 million a year and he has a show he is worth that much.
His surrounding cast hides much of the issues he has with accuracy and reads. They can go a couple of drives with not having to throw a ball 10+ yards and still move the chains.
He can sit in the pocket until receivers get open, but he also has extra time to let routes develop, so if he wants to run after a few seconds, the intermediate area has cleared out for him to gain additional yards.
I don't think Dak is going to improve much and I don't think on most teams he's going to be successful. I hope the Cowboys pay him a boatload. He's not who I worry about having to face twice a year.
That's one of the reasons that QB's with a poor completion % in college don't become accurate passers in the NFL and why there is even a benchmark that being under a 57% completion rate in college is a death knell for the NFL.
JJ is on record with regard to his love for Dak who is undoubtedly the team leader in the clubhouse.
When Dak gets paid, and he will, the real Cowboy vulnerability will become backup qb.
The Cows have no one behind Dak at qb and will not be able to afford a quality qb should one free up between now and the season opener.
Should Dak get paid and then break a knee in camp the Cows are screwed!
If Dak is missing wide open guys when he has time, imagine how good the Cowboys would be with a QB that makes those completions?
Dak is called on very few times a year to win a game on his own, and when he does - it is against us!! A team with a good defense like the Titans showed how you stop the Cowboys. Load the box - contain the edge on Dak and force him to stand in and make throws. If he doesn't have his outlets open, he'll resort to chucking it deep. against a secondary like ours - it worked. Against the Titans it failed miserably.
That's one of the reasons that QB's with a poor completion % in college don't become accurate passers in the NFL and why there is even a benchmark that being under a 57% completion rate in college is a death knell for the NFL.
I don't like the Cowboys anymore than anyone else here, but this is ridiculous. Prescott has been a lottery ticket find as a 4th rounder and has been a very consistent and good qb for the Cowboys. If Jones comes in here and does what Prescott does, you guys will be lining up to slurp his dick.
What Amari gave that offense though was someone that could beat man coverage, which they played a ton against as a run first team, down the field. Beasley could but he isn't the big play type that will make you pay. The Cowboys offense is a great example of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts.
And I also think that benchmark was a separate statement. He said it’s rare or almost unheard of to improve accuracy in the NFL so players sub 60% will generally not improve because the NFL is more difficult - ie any QB not just Dak, will have a hard time improving.
It’s got nothing to do with being a homer. Most of my NFL discussion circle aren’t Giants fans and feel the same way. So the scouts. So do professionals in the NFL. Not sure what more you want.
Maybe Prescott will break the mold, I doubt it though.
I was addressing the part about accuracy - not Dak's collegiate accuracy or his viability in being drafted.
The tone you take regarding the 57% "benchmark" is an odd one. There have been only 2 QB's since 1997 drafted who ended up being starters for more than 2 seasons who had a 57% or lower completion % in college. It is fine if you don't like a stat, but it is a damn good predictor of QB's who will fail.
Also, it is used because there are a fair number of posters who talk about prospects with poor completion % as being a factor of other influences like a poor WR corp or a bad team or a bad OL.
For comparison sake. Eli had about the same # of TDs per year his first 4 years, perhaps 1 more TD per year...I'll throw away the first year since he didn't start the whole year.
So we'll have to see how Dak progresses, but if I am the cowboys I'd pay him to give me 65% 22TD and single digit INTs every year for sure.
As someone said earlier, If he were in Blue we'd be begging DG to pay him sooner rather than later so his cost doesn't go up at the end of the season.
The secret to Dallas being able to do this is drafting very well and being very conservative in free agency.
Dallas will lose players in 2020, but Dallas has many of their replacements already on the roster, and those that they don't is what the 2020 off season will be about.
The front office has said that they are looking to get the deal done during training camp and before the season starts.
I think the scenario you suggest will not happen.
The NFL is changing big time right now, IMO.
The NFL is changing big time right now, IMO.
unlikely in my opinion. New guys will step up.
Teams can’t keep investing top dollar on decent players. The model will pop sooner or later and what better time than the end of this era of QB that can happen anytime in the next year or two?
Then you have the 2018 class that is looking pretty good.
Maybe even Jones will become elite
they guys like Lawrence are coming down the pike.
There will continue to be elite QB play. The league is not going to be dominate by a bunch of Trent Dilfers. I dont see it happening.
Wentz needs to stay healthy and Goff still is looked at as being a product of the system.
And outside of Mayfield, the 2018 class hasn't done much to signify there are several long-term starters there. It may come to pass, but Rosen is on his second team, Darnold will need to make strides. Allen has a lot of questions still about accuracy and durability and Jackson will have to learn to pass the ball.
25 a year for two years when the top paid guys are getting well over 30? I would have no problem paying that. His contract is totally reasonable
Guys will step up, bank on it.
The vacuum created when those guys retire will make it even more likely to happen.
Then you have the 2018 class that is looking pretty good.
Maybe even Jones will become elite
they guys like Lawrence are coming down the pike.
There will continue to be elite QB play. The league is not going to be dominate by a bunch of Trent Dilfers. I dont see it happening.
First, not a single guy mentioned is on a HoF trajectory - one guy isn't even in the league and we've all see guys flame out before (not saying Lawrence will but i'll let him play and not get inured before penciling him in).
Second, I'm not talking about Trent Dilfer's so please don't put words in my mouth. He wasn't medicore, he was a bad starting NFL QB. Career losing record, more INTS than TD's, and a horrendous completion %. I wouldn't want him as my backup let alone starting.
I'm talking about your Alex Smiths, Kirk Cousins, Dak Presotts of the league. They are going to start seeing more playoff wins once the current crop of HoFers retire. The door is going to be wide open and the league will likely change. I am not suggesting some 180 where the position is obsolete, but some sort of a change is coming. Not expecting a change in the NFL will leave you in the rearview mirror, hasn't history shown you that?
I believe you are describing what I am, guys winning by default because the big guns (or many of them) will be gone).
And as I stated in my last post, when those guys are gone, there will be 4-5 vacancies in which new players will have an opportunity to start their own HOF career.
There will also be guys like Andy Dalton out of the league soon. Maybe the next guy in cinci will be Boomer 2.0
They won’t be picking anywhere near the top of the draft so saying they will get one of the top guys in the the draft seems highly unlikely. They will lose players. My guess is Elliot will be the one to be let go. Easier to find a good RB after round one. And w that OL they probably feel he’s the more replaceable
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
You are right on the pulse of what's happening in Dallas.
The front office has come out multiple times that the deals for these players will get done.
First will be Prescott, next will be Cooper, and I believe Jones during the season, if he proves that the hip injury is ok. Elliott will get paid in the 2020 off season.
QB contracts are insane. If Minny paid that stiff Cousins 25 million w all that guaranteed money Dak’s contract for going to have to average between 25-30 million per. Would love to see how all these guys get paid. Saying all head guys will get paid w Any sure certainty is naive
Maybe Prescott will learn how to throw a deep sideline pass that isn't woefully off-target. But I'd make him prove he can before I paid him like he can.
Unfortunately, the Dallas Cowboys are better managed than they used to be. So we'll see.
But Dallas already has him on their team. They've won with him. They know what they have. If they don't pay him, and they lose him, they have to find another QB somewhere, which is difficult and can be expensive in its own right. If they draft a QB and he doesn't pan out (which is what you are saying has happened with Dak) then you have another 2-4 years down the drain and at that point your window is probably closed with this group.
I believe you are describing what I am, guys winning by default because the big guns (or many of them) will be gone).
the guys in the first 1 or 2 years, yes I expect them to get better.
I also expect that there are guys who are not yet playing who will become HOF players. I mean thats inevitable, isn't it? There will be guys like Brady who come out of nowhere. There will be guys like brees who a change in scenery takes him to the next level. And there will be guys like Payton who will be drafted 1 overall who you know are going to be great from the start.
I mentioned Kerry Collins above. He was a decent QB. He played on a SB team. But should the Giants have paid him a lot of money on a next contract?? No. And they ended up winning two SB's without him. Dallas has a top OL. A top RB. A D that stat-wise was very good last year. And I think Dak is holding them back.
Which is why I hope they pay the guy handsomely. and I hope they keep Garrett around. Because once again - people talk about how good Dallas is - yet if the giants had gone 25 years without sniffing the SB, I'm sure we wouldn't be pleased, especially if we had an OL that is considered to be one of the all-time greats.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
See, the three exclamation points is how you know it's true.
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They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
You are right on the pulse of what's happening in Dallas.
The front office has come out multiple times that the deals for these players will get done.
First will be Prescott, next will be Cooper, and I believe Jones during the season, if he proves that the hip injury is ok. Elliott will get paid in the 2020 off season.
I think you nailed it Cowboys are starved for a Tittle and they are poised to make a run the window is open .
What is everyones take on a franchise QB anyway? If a franchise guy is top 5 or bust then there are only 5 teams that have a franchise QB. Eli has always been a 8-14 type of QB in ranking for me. I never saw him as the best in the game but he was good enough to win us 2 Superbowls and flashed top 5 in 2012 but was never consistently good enough to stay there.
Dak is what he is, he'll never be the best in the league but he also doesn't lose many games for Dallas. He'll get paid. Dallas is plagued more by bad coaching than bad QB play. I would say Garrett is a low level coach bottom 1/3 guy. They have talent and struggle every year. With an OL like they had they should have been a perennial powerhouse but instead they always looked better on paper. Thats on the coach.
Truthfully though, Jason Garrett has at the very least always kept the Cowboys competitive. Nobody is saying this is the goal or the standard, but it’s notable. His teams have either made the playoffs or played games in Week 17 with playoff implications in all but two seasons (not counting the 2010 season in which he was the interim head coach). That’s 75%.
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They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
You are right on the pulse of what's happening in Dallas.
The front office has come out multiple times that the deals for these players will get done.
First will be Prescott, next will be Cooper, and I believe Jones during the season, if he proves that the hip injury is ok. Elliott will get paid in the 2020 off season.
I think you nailed it Cowboys are starved for a Tittle and they are poised to make a run the window is open .
That’s the point: Since they can’t get Tittle, Zak’s the guy