To inflated records....none will be in line for a top QB, unless they move up....or someone drops.
Which might happen....There has been several teams that have selected QBs recently....but the top QBs still go early.
Early picks that might go QBs
Tampa
Cinn.
Oak.
Miami
Tenn.
Later picks that might move up
NO
LA Chargers
Pitts
So Dallas will have some competition.....and might be in a tough spot...Elliott wanting to get paid, too. I hope they do it.....as op is rightm he is just average
Most team are not willing to cut bait that way.
If they knew it going into this season why not draft some competition or at least take a flyer on a QB?
Hard to see him not giving him the money. And Dallas getting one of the top QBs in the next draft is even more of a pipe dream than the idea that we could get one.
Qb’s don’t grow on trees. Prescott has been very consistent 66% 3700 yds 22 tds, picks in the single digits and 300 yards rushing. There’s nothing wrong with that.
Qb’s don’t grow on trees. Prescott has been very consistent 66% 3700 yds 22 tds, picks in the single digits and 300 yards rushing. There’s nothing wrong with that.
Very true. He's an efficient QB but not a really good one.
Nevertheless, Dak does more than enough with arm and feet to warrant a nice deal for himself. Also shown to be durable and has some playoff experience under his belt.
Dallas making the playoffs last year helps us out long term as they will be hamstrung with players getting paid like Prescott. Especially if Cooper ends up getting paid as a top WR.
And as an added benefit, Garrett continues to be the placeholder on the sidelines to carry out Jerruh's plan!
If you're going to give a guy a "franchise QB" deal, he'd better be able to make all the throws.
Maybe Prescott will learn how to throw a deep sideline pass that isn't woefully off-target. But I'd make him prove he can before I paid him like he can.
Unfortunately, the Dallas Cowboys are better managed than they used to be. So we'll see.
really inflates the perceptions of many other players.
We were begging the redskins to resign Cousins, and Prescott isn't nearly as good as Kirk. You'll likely see that Prescott has already had his career years. That's not the type of player you should invest in. If you are going to give out huge salaries - it should be for players who can carry a team or who would be top tier players no matter which team they played for. Put Prescott on the Bills and he's not getting them additional wins.
I didn't agree with Go Terps on much, but the idea of overpaying a QB who is just average is what will cripple a team faster than anything else.
If you're going to give a guy a "franchise QB" deal, he'd better be able to make all the throws.
Maybe Prescott will learn how to throw a deep sideline pass that isn't woefully off-target. But I'd make him prove he can before I paid him like he can.
Unfortunately, the Dallas Cowboys are better managed than they used to be. So we'll see.
Which throw cant he make? the deep sideline throw? the one he put on us in week 2 last year? Cmon, its one thing to say he's not the best QB in the league, but when he got help with the addition of Cooper he showed a vast improvement. I'm not sure why everyone says he's a bad QB. he's not stupid with the ball, he can move and he's proved he can make every throw. Not sure where all this is coming from.
Cjac....the deep sleep sideline throw is actually one Dak can make Â
At a decent clip....not sure why that is thrown about like gospel here. What is true is on balance he really struggles with accuracy down the field. The Ram dared him to beat them in this range in the Playoffs and he killed a ton of worms.
doesn't literally mean he can't ever do it. It means it isn't a strength and something an opponent can scheme against. The sideline throws are a weakness for him, if it wasn't he'd be a top QB in the league. In his defense its hard for a lot of QB's but he's definitely one of them.
doesn't literally mean he can't ever do it. It means it isn't a strength and something an opponent can scheme against. The sideline throws are a weakness for him, if it wasn't he'd be a top QB in the league. In his defense its hard for a lot of QB's but he's definitely one of them.
it has to come down to if he can make all the throws or if he has shown he can play well at times. It should come down to if he is worth a substantial contract and can he lead the team if the OL deteriorates or if Zeke is no longer there. I don't think he can.
Look at the Chiefs. Alex Smith had turned into a capable QB. One that was part of playoff teams. Yet, they didn't have much of a problem letting him leave to have Mahomes play. The Redskins seemingly made a good choice in not giving Cousins a huge contract, but of course, blowing a wad on Smith wasn't prudent either. The Dolphins wisely didn't give Tannehill a new contract. Meanwhile, the Raiders have Carr there and he's likely not the answer.
If your QB is not a franchise guy, paying him a ridiculous contract or signing a FA making ridiculous $$$ doesn't make a lot of sense. I think Jax will see that this year. I think Washington and Denver saw that last year.
it has to come down to if he can make all the throws or if he has shown he can play well at times. It should come down to if he is worth a substantial contract and can he lead the team if the OL deteriorates or if Zeke is no longer there. I don't think he can.
Look at the Chiefs. Alex Smith had turned into a capable QB. One that was part of playoff teams. Yet, they didn't have much of a problem letting him leave to have Mahomes play. The Redskins seemingly made a good choice in not giving Cousins a huge contract, but of course, blowing a wad on Smith wasn't prudent either. The Dolphins wisely didn't give Tannehill a new contract. Meanwhile, the Raiders have Carr there and he's likely not the answer.
If your QB is not a franchise guy, paying him a ridiculous contract or signing a FA making ridiculous $$$ doesn't make a lot of sense. I think Jax will see that this year. I think Washington and Denver saw that last year.
I don't think Alex Smith is a good comparison in this situation. Smith was at his ceiling. His shoulder injury really capped how good he could have been.
Dak, which has been pointed out before, does all the "hard" things very well. His one big negative, his accuracy, is something that can be worked and improved on. This is where these two situations differ and puts Dallas in a bind. If he can solve this one issue in his game, well Dallas probably has a Superbowl in their future unfortunately. This is why Dallas is stalling on the contract. More data gives them a more informed decision. Worked out for us because if they just did it last season he probably signs for 25 million a year and he has a show he is worth that much.
where we disagree is I think Dak is at his ceiling.
His surrounding cast hides much of the issues he has with accuracy and reads. They can go a couple of drives with not having to throw a ball 10+ yards and still move the chains.
He can sit in the pocket until receivers get open, but he also has extra time to let routes develop, so if he wants to run after a few seconds, the intermediate area has cleared out for him to gain additional yards.
I don't think Dak is going to improve much and I don't think on most teams he's going to be successful. I hope the Cowboys pay him a boatload. He's not who I worry about having to face twice a year.
also disagree that accuracy can be worked on and improved. It is one area that usually doesn't improve in a QB's development.
That's one of the reasons that QB's with a poor completion % in college don't become accurate passers in the NFL and why there is even a benchmark that being under a 57% completion rate in college is a death knell for the NFL.
what you see on tape. Dak's accuracy issues aren't like other QBs where they lose accuracy as they are getting pressured. That is something that is almost impossible to work on. His issues come from out and out missing guys wide open with time in the pocket. This is something that can be remedied. The reason you don't see guys make this jump is because I can't remember the last QB that played well enough in NFL that had this glaring hole in their game have the success Dak had. I can't even think of too many QBs period that got to this level with this issue. This speaks volumes to the other things he does well.
it speaks volumes to how much the other parts of the team support him.
If Dak is missing wide open guys when he has time, imagine how good the Cowboys would be with a QB that makes those completions?
Dak is called on very few times a year to win a game on his own, and when he does - it is against us!! A team with a good defense like the Titans showed how you stop the Cowboys. Load the box - contain the edge on Dak and force him to stand in and make throws. If he doesn't have his outlets open, he'll resort to chucking it deep. against a secondary like ours - it worked. Against the Titans it failed miserably.
also disagree that accuracy can be worked on and improved. It is one area that usually doesn't improve in a QB's development.
That's one of the reasons that QB's with a poor completion % in college don't become accurate passers in the NFL and why there is even a benchmark that being under a 57% completion rate in college is a death knell for the NFL.
Again with that stupid "benchmark". Well Prescott completed 62% of his passes in college so I guess he makes the accuracy "benchmark" you are so fond of quoting.
I don't like the Cowboys anymore than anyone else here, but this is ridiculous. Prescott has been a lottery ticket find as a 4th rounder and has been a very consistent and good qb for the Cowboys. If Jones comes in here and does what Prescott does, you guys will be lining up to slurp his dick.
I don't think of highly of Dak's supporting cast as you do. Â
The 2018 Cowboys Oline wasn't the 2016 version, not even close. Barely top 10 last year. Zeke is a top 5 RB, but the rest of the Cowboys skill position players are mediocre at best. Yes that includes Amari, he is a mediocre number 1 option.
What Amari gave that offense though was someone that could beat man coverage, which they played a ton against as a run first team, down the field. Beasley could but he isn't the big play type that will make you pay. The Cowboys offense is a great example of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts.
already said Dak gets a ton of completions due to the short passing game so that’s part of his higher completion %. He did the same in college, context really matters here.
And I also think that benchmark was a separate statement. He said it’s rare or almost unheard of to improve accuracy in the NFL so players sub 60% will generally not improve because the NFL is more difficult - ie any QB not just Dak, will have a hard time improving.
It’s got nothing to do with being a homer. Most of my NFL discussion circle aren’t Giants fans and feel the same way. So the scouts. So do professionals in the NFL. Not sure what more you want.
Maybe Prescott will break the mold, I doubt it though.
Again with that stupid "benchmark". Well Prescott completed 62% of his passes in college so I guess he makes the accuracy "benchmark" you are so fond of quoting.
I was addressing the part about accuracy - not Dak's collegiate accuracy or his viability in being drafted.
The tone you take regarding the 57% "benchmark" is an odd one. There have been only 2 QB's since 1997 drafted who ended up being starters for more than 2 seasons who had a 57% or lower completion % in college. It is fine if you don't like a stat, but it is a damn good predictor of QB's who will fail.
Also, it is used because there are a fair number of posters who talk about prospects with poor completion % as being a factor of other influences like a poor WR corp or a bad team or a bad OL.
The guy completed 67% of his passes last year (68 if you round up), and has a career % of about 65%. Having only 22 TDs as an average doesn't bother me, he's only been in the league 3 years.
For comparison sake. Eli had about the same # of TDs per year his first 4 years, perhaps 1 more TD per year...I'll throw away the first year since he didn't start the whole year.
So we'll have to see how Dak progresses, but if I am the cowboys I'd pay him to give me 65% 22TD and single digit INTs every year for sure.
As someone said earlier, If he were in Blue we'd be begging DG to pay him sooner rather than later so his cost doesn't go up at the end of the season.
Dallas has more than enough money to sign Prescott and Cooper this year, Elliott next year. Dallas will be able to resign ANY of their core players and remain competitive.
The secret to Dallas being able to do this is drafting very well and being very conservative in free agency.
Dallas will lose players in 2020, but Dallas has many of their replacements already on the roster, and those that they don't is what the 2020 off season will be about.
its really difficult to find a QB, esp when you're a team with a winning record every year. They will prob end up at the back half of the draft again this year. The kid from Alabama and Oregon will be gone by then.
Brady, Brees, Rodgers, will be done soon leaving the NFL wide open at QB outside of say Luck, Mahomes and Wilson. We may end up seeing mediocre QB play be enough to win more often than not.
Brady, Brees, Rodgers, will be done soon leaving the NFL wide open at QB outside of say Luck, Mahomes and Wilson. We may end up seeing mediocre QB play be enough to win more often than not.
it’s unspeakable that at 40 years of age, give or take, he received such an enormous contract. HOF or not, he was way overpaid with his extension. Who in their right mind would have given him even close to what he extended for?
Baker and Mahomes coming in the NFL in back to back years in Â
time to replace Brees and Brady. Hopefully we can add Jones to that list going back to back to back lol. Probably not, but man I'd love to have an year over year elite QB.
I didn’t even include Ben and Rivers. Once those 5 are gone there is a tremendous drop off outside of the 3 i mentioned. And Wilson/Luck will be 30+ at the start of the season.
Teams can’t keep investing top dollar on decent players. The model will pop sooner or later and what better time than the end of this era of QB that can happen anytime in the next year or two?
Which might happen....There has been several teams that have selected QBs recently....but the top QBs still go early.
Early picks that might go QBs
Tampa
Cinn.
Oak.
Miami
Tenn.
Later picks that might move up
NO
LA Chargers
Pitts
So Dallas will have some competition.....and might be in a tough spot...Elliott wanting to get paid, too. I hope they do it.....as op is rightm he is just average
If they knew it going into this season why not draft some competition or at least take a flyer on a QB?
The guy who might get left hanging is Zeke Elliott imo
Very true. He's an efficient QB but not a really good one.
they guy they arent going to pay is Elliot
My fear is that his son is head of operations and won't give him a ridiculous contract.
Foolish not to sign him...
And as an added benefit, Garrett continues to be the placeholder on the sidelines to carry out Jerruh's plan!
Maybe Prescott will learn how to throw a deep sideline pass that isn't woefully off-target. But I'd make him prove he can before I paid him like he can.
Unfortunately, the Dallas Cowboys are better managed than they used to be. So we'll see.
We were begging the redskins to resign Cousins, and Prescott isn't nearly as good as Kirk. You'll likely see that Prescott has already had his career years. That's not the type of player you should invest in. If you are going to give out huge salaries - it should be for players who can carry a team or who would be top tier players no matter which team they played for. Put Prescott on the Bills and he's not getting them additional wins.
I didn't agree with Go Terps on much, but the idea of overpaying a QB who is just average is what will cripple a team faster than anything else.
Maybe Prescott will learn how to throw a deep sideline pass that isn't woefully off-target. But I'd make him prove he can before I paid him like he can.
Unfortunately, the Dallas Cowboys are better managed than they used to be. So we'll see.
Which throw cant he make? the deep sideline throw? the one he put on us in week 2 last year? Cmon, its one thing to say he's not the best QB in the league, but when he got help with the addition of Cooper he showed a vast improvement. I'm not sure why everyone says he's a bad QB. he's not stupid with the ball, he can move and he's proved he can make every throw. Not sure where all this is coming from.
Top WR
Top RB
Top 3 OL
Really good defense
Seems like with a cast like that - they should be competing for Lombardi ‘s rather than just division titles.
That's what I said?
Look at the Chiefs. Alex Smith had turned into a capable QB. One that was part of playoff teams. Yet, they didn't have much of a problem letting him leave to have Mahomes play. The Redskins seemingly made a good choice in not giving Cousins a huge contract, but of course, blowing a wad on Smith wasn't prudent either. The Dolphins wisely didn't give Tannehill a new contract. Meanwhile, the Raiders have Carr there and he's likely not the answer.
If your QB is not a franchise guy, paying him a ridiculous contract or signing a FA making ridiculous $$$ doesn't make a lot of sense. I think Jax will see that this year. I think Washington and Denver saw that last year.
Look at the Chiefs. Alex Smith had turned into a capable QB. One that was part of playoff teams. Yet, they didn't have much of a problem letting him leave to have Mahomes play. The Redskins seemingly made a good choice in not giving Cousins a huge contract, but of course, blowing a wad on Smith wasn't prudent either. The Dolphins wisely didn't give Tannehill a new contract. Meanwhile, the Raiders have Carr there and he's likely not the answer.
If your QB is not a franchise guy, paying him a ridiculous contract or signing a FA making ridiculous $$$ doesn't make a lot of sense. I think Jax will see that this year. I think Washington and Denver saw that last year.
I don't think Alex Smith is a good comparison in this situation. Smith was at his ceiling. His shoulder injury really capped how good he could have been.
Dak, which has been pointed out before, does all the "hard" things very well. His one big negative, his accuracy, is something that can be worked and improved on. This is where these two situations differ and puts Dallas in a bind. If he can solve this one issue in his game, well Dallas probably has a Superbowl in their future unfortunately. This is why Dallas is stalling on the contract. More data gives them a more informed decision. Worked out for us because if they just did it last season he probably signs for 25 million a year and he has a show he is worth that much.
His surrounding cast hides much of the issues he has with accuracy and reads. They can go a couple of drives with not having to throw a ball 10+ yards and still move the chains.
He can sit in the pocket until receivers get open, but he also has extra time to let routes develop, so if he wants to run after a few seconds, the intermediate area has cleared out for him to gain additional yards.
I don't think Dak is going to improve much and I don't think on most teams he's going to be successful. I hope the Cowboys pay him a boatload. He's not who I worry about having to face twice a year.
That's one of the reasons that QB's with a poor completion % in college don't become accurate passers in the NFL and why there is even a benchmark that being under a 57% completion rate in college is a death knell for the NFL.
JJ is on record with regard to his love for Dak who is undoubtedly the team leader in the clubhouse.
When Dak gets paid, and he will, the real Cowboy vulnerability will become backup qb.
The Cows have no one behind Dak at qb and will not be able to afford a quality qb should one free up between now and the season opener.
Should Dak get paid and then break a knee in camp the Cows are screwed!
If Dak is missing wide open guys when he has time, imagine how good the Cowboys would be with a QB that makes those completions?
Dak is called on very few times a year to win a game on his own, and when he does - it is against us!! A team with a good defense like the Titans showed how you stop the Cowboys. Load the box - contain the edge on Dak and force him to stand in and make throws. If he doesn't have his outlets open, he'll resort to chucking it deep. against a secondary like ours - it worked. Against the Titans it failed miserably.
That's one of the reasons that QB's with a poor completion % in college don't become accurate passers in the NFL and why there is even a benchmark that being under a 57% completion rate in college is a death knell for the NFL.
I don't like the Cowboys anymore than anyone else here, but this is ridiculous. Prescott has been a lottery ticket find as a 4th rounder and has been a very consistent and good qb for the Cowboys. If Jones comes in here and does what Prescott does, you guys will be lining up to slurp his dick.
What Amari gave that offense though was someone that could beat man coverage, which they played a ton against as a run first team, down the field. Beasley could but he isn't the big play type that will make you pay. The Cowboys offense is a great example of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts.
And I also think that benchmark was a separate statement. He said it’s rare or almost unheard of to improve accuracy in the NFL so players sub 60% will generally not improve because the NFL is more difficult - ie any QB not just Dak, will have a hard time improving.
It’s got nothing to do with being a homer. Most of my NFL discussion circle aren’t Giants fans and feel the same way. So the scouts. So do professionals in the NFL. Not sure what more you want.
Maybe Prescott will break the mold, I doubt it though.
I was addressing the part about accuracy - not Dak's collegiate accuracy or his viability in being drafted.
The tone you take regarding the 57% "benchmark" is an odd one. There have been only 2 QB's since 1997 drafted who ended up being starters for more than 2 seasons who had a 57% or lower completion % in college. It is fine if you don't like a stat, but it is a damn good predictor of QB's who will fail.
Also, it is used because there are a fair number of posters who talk about prospects with poor completion % as being a factor of other influences like a poor WR corp or a bad team or a bad OL.
For comparison sake. Eli had about the same # of TDs per year his first 4 years, perhaps 1 more TD per year...I'll throw away the first year since he didn't start the whole year.
So we'll have to see how Dak progresses, but if I am the cowboys I'd pay him to give me 65% 22TD and single digit INTs every year for sure.
As someone said earlier, If he were in Blue we'd be begging DG to pay him sooner rather than later so his cost doesn't go up at the end of the season.
The secret to Dallas being able to do this is drafting very well and being very conservative in free agency.
Dallas will lose players in 2020, but Dallas has many of their replacements already on the roster, and those that they don't is what the 2020 off season will be about.
The front office has said that they are looking to get the deal done during training camp and before the season starts.
I think the scenario you suggest will not happen.
The NFL is changing big time right now, IMO.
The NFL is changing big time right now, IMO.
unlikely in my opinion. New guys will step up.
Teams can’t keep investing top dollar on decent players. The model will pop sooner or later and what better time than the end of this era of QB that can happen anytime in the next year or two?