like Goff and Wentz
Then you have the 2018 class that is looking pretty good.
Maybe even Jones will become elite
they guys like Lawrence are coming down the pike.
There will continue to be elite QB play. The league is not going to be dominate by a bunch of Trent Dilfers. I dont see it happening.
even Goff and Wentz have some question marks around them.
Wentz needs to stay healthy and Goff still is looked at as being a product of the system.
And outside of Mayfield, the 2018 class hasn't done much to signify there are several long-term starters there. It may come to pass, but Rosen is on his second team, Darnold will need to make strides. Allen has a lot of questions still about accuracy and durability and Jackson will have to learn to pass the ball.
it’s unspeakable that at 40 years of age, give or take, he received such an enormous contract. HOF or not, he was way overpaid with his extension. Who in their right mind would have given him even close to what he extended for?
25 a year for two years when the top paid guys are getting well over 30? I would have no problem paying that. His contract is totally reasonable
I hope they hitch themselves to his wagon long term Â
like Goff and Wentz
Then you have the 2018 class that is looking pretty good.
Maybe even Jones will become elite
they guys like Lawrence are coming down the pike.
There will continue to be elite QB play. The league is not going to be dominate by a bunch of Trent Dilfers. I dont see it happening.
First, not a single guy mentioned is on a HoF trajectory - one guy isn't even in the league and we've all see guys flame out before (not saying Lawrence will but i'll let him play and not get inured before penciling him in).
Second, I'm not talking about Trent Dilfer's so please don't put words in my mouth. He wasn't medicore, he was a bad starting NFL QB. Career losing record, more INTS than TD's, and a horrendous completion %. I wouldn't want him as my backup let alone starting.
I'm talking about your Alex Smiths, Kirk Cousins, Dak Presotts of the league. They are going to start seeing more playoff wins once the current crop of HoFers retire. The door is going to be wide open and the league will likely change. I am not suggesting some 180 where the position is obsolete, but some sort of a change is coming. Not expecting a change in the NFL will leave you in the rearview mirror, hasn't history shown you that?
what do you mean by that? Are you expecting them to magically be better? Wentz may have seen his peak and Goff is what he is I think - he's a prime candidate of someone you don't give a massive deal to.
I believe you are describing what I am, guys winning by default because the big guns (or many of them) will be gone).
I happen to think that when those guys are gone there will be a new group of superstar QBs
And as I stated in my last post, when those guys are gone, there will be 4-5 vacancies in which new players will have an opportunity to start their own HOF career.
There will also be guys like Andy Dalton out of the league soon. Maybe the next guy in cinci will be Boomer 2.0
Not impossible they they don’t give him a mega deal Â
But I doubt it. He’s not a great QB to me either. This is what fucked Wash up. They went and over paid Capt Kirk but on that stupid tag. Dallas isn’t as dumb as Washington but I think they have to sign him to a long term contract.
They won’t be picking anywhere near the top of the draft so saying they will get one of the top guys in the the draft seems highly unlikely. They will lose players. My guess is Elliot will be the one to be let go. Easier to find a good RB after round one. And w that OL they probably feel he’s the more replaceable
I can't believe all the people that think the Boys are letting Zeke go Â
He's the one that makes that offense go! People are criminally underrating him because they don't like him. He is the third best RB in the league to after Saquon and McCaffery. You give him a second contract unless he gets some sort of injury. Cooper is the one you let move to greener pastures. He is easily replaceable, Zeke is not. People act like you can just replace RBs just because they are found in the later rounds. Yeh you know how many RBs that get drafted after the first that aren't Kamara or Hunt? A ton of them.
They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
You are right on the pulse of what's happening in Dallas.
The front office has come out multiple times that the deals for these players will get done.
First will be Prescott, next will be Cooper, and I believe Jones during the season, if he proves that the hip injury is ok. Elliott will get paid in the 2020 off season.
Cog in their offense. But if they pay Zeke Dak and Cooper they will lose players somewhere. Smith on D will need to get paid too.
QB contracts are insane. If Minny paid that stiff Cousins 25 million w all that guaranteed money Dak’s contract for going to have to average between 25-30 million per. Would love to see how all these guys get paid. Saying all head guys will get paid w Any sure certainty is naive
If you're going to give a guy a "franchise QB" deal, he'd better be able to make all the throws.
Maybe Prescott will learn how to throw a deep sideline pass that isn't woefully off-target. But I'd make him prove he can before I paid him like he can.
Unfortunately, the Dallas Cowboys are better managed than they used to be. So we'll see.
Here's the thing: You're evaluating him on whether you'd want him on your team. He's good at this, bad at that, not good enough here, not worth the money. Totally fair.
But Dallas already has him on their team. They've won with him. They know what they have. If they don't pay him, and they lose him, they have to find another QB somewhere, which is difficult and can be expensive in its own right. If they draft a QB and he doesn't pan out (which is what you are saying has happened with Dak) then you have another 2-4 years down the drain and at that point your window is probably closed with this group.
what do you mean by that? Are you expecting them to magically be better? Wentz may have seen his peak and Goff is what he is I think - he's a prime candidate of someone you don't give a massive deal to.
I believe you are describing what I am, guys winning by default because the big guns (or many of them) will be gone).
the guys in the first 1 or 2 years, yes I expect them to get better.
I also expect that there are guys who are not yet playing who will become HOF players. I mean thats inevitable, isn't it? There will be guys like Brady who come out of nowhere. There will be guys like brees who a change in scenery takes him to the next level. And there will be guys like Payton who will be drafted 1 overall who you know are going to be great from the start.
what if they could be better with a different QB??
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But Dallas already has him on their team. They've won with him. They know what they have. If they don't pay him, and they lose him, they have to find another QB somewhere, which is difficult and can be expensive in its own right.
I mentioned Kerry Collins above. He was a decent QB. He played on a SB team. But should the Giants have paid him a lot of money on a next contract?? No. And they ended up winning two SB's without him. Dallas has a top OL. A top RB. A D that stat-wise was very good last year. And I think Dak is holding them back.
Which is why I hope they pay the guy handsomely. and I hope they keep Garrett around. Because once again - people talk about how good Dallas is - yet if the giants had gone 25 years without sniffing the SB, I'm sure we wouldn't be pleased, especially if we had an OL that is considered to be one of the all-time greats.
Or Mahomes and the Chiefs could go on a Pats like run Â
They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
See, the three exclamation points is how you know it's true.
They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
You are right on the pulse of what's happening in Dallas.
The front office has come out multiple times that the deals for these players will get done.
First will be Prescott, next will be Cooper, and I believe Jones during the season, if he proves that the hip injury is ok. Elliott will get paid in the 2020 off season.
I think you nailed it Cowboys are starved for a Tittle and they are poised to make a run the window is open .
probably in that 10-16 rank. Plenty good enough to win with most of the time. He is inconsistent and a guy that you don't want to have to win a lot of games for you but he can do it. You can analyze all you want, he has been successful in this league at times and that alone is why he will get paid.
What is everyones take on a franchise QB anyway? If a franchise guy is top 5 or bust then there are only 5 teams that have a franchise QB. Eli has always been a 8-14 type of QB in ranking for me. I never saw him as the best in the game but he was good enough to win us 2 Superbowls and flashed top 5 in 2012 but was never consistently good enough to stay there.
Dak is what he is, he'll never be the best in the league but he also doesn't lose many games for Dallas. He'll get paid. Dallas is plagued more by bad coaching than bad QB play. I would say Garrett is a low level coach bottom 1/3 guy. They have talent and struggle every year. With an OL like they had they should have been a perennial powerhouse but instead they always looked better on paper. Thats on the coach.
We’re entering his ninth full season with the team and there’s no question that in the now almost-decade everyone here would have liked to have won the Super Bowl. Such is the case for all NFL teams.
Truthfully though, Jason Garrett has at the very least always kept the Cowboys competitive. Nobody is saying this is the goal or the standard, but it’s notable. His teams have either made the playoffs or played games in Week 17 with playoff implications in all but two seasons (not counting the 2010 season in which he was the interim head coach). That’s 75%.
They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
You are right on the pulse of what's happening in Dallas.
The front office has come out multiple times that the deals for these players will get done.
First will be Prescott, next will be Cooper, and I believe Jones during the season, if he proves that the hip injury is ok. Elliott will get paid in the 2020 off season.
I think you nailed it Cowboys are starved for a Tittle and they are poised to make a run the window is open .
That’s the point: Since they can’t get Tittle, Zak’s the guy
Then you have the 2018 class that is looking pretty good.
Maybe even Jones will become elite
they guys like Lawrence are coming down the pike.
There will continue to be elite QB play. The league is not going to be dominate by a bunch of Trent Dilfers. I dont see it happening.
Wentz needs to stay healthy and Goff still is looked at as being a product of the system.
And outside of Mayfield, the 2018 class hasn't done much to signify there are several long-term starters there. It may come to pass, but Rosen is on his second team, Darnold will need to make strides. Allen has a lot of questions still about accuracy and durability and Jackson will have to learn to pass the ball.
25 a year for two years when the top paid guys are getting well over 30? I would have no problem paying that. His contract is totally reasonable
Guys will step up, bank on it.
The vacuum created when those guys retire will make it even more likely to happen.
Then you have the 2018 class that is looking pretty good.
Maybe even Jones will become elite
they guys like Lawrence are coming down the pike.
There will continue to be elite QB play. The league is not going to be dominate by a bunch of Trent Dilfers. I dont see it happening.
First, not a single guy mentioned is on a HoF trajectory - one guy isn't even in the league and we've all see guys flame out before (not saying Lawrence will but i'll let him play and not get inured before penciling him in).
Second, I'm not talking about Trent Dilfer's so please don't put words in my mouth. He wasn't medicore, he was a bad starting NFL QB. Career losing record, more INTS than TD's, and a horrendous completion %. I wouldn't want him as my backup let alone starting.
I'm talking about your Alex Smiths, Kirk Cousins, Dak Presotts of the league. They are going to start seeing more playoff wins once the current crop of HoFers retire. The door is going to be wide open and the league will likely change. I am not suggesting some 180 where the position is obsolete, but some sort of a change is coming. Not expecting a change in the NFL will leave you in the rearview mirror, hasn't history shown you that?
I believe you are describing what I am, guys winning by default because the big guns (or many of them) will be gone).
And as I stated in my last post, when those guys are gone, there will be 4-5 vacancies in which new players will have an opportunity to start their own HOF career.
There will also be guys like Andy Dalton out of the league soon. Maybe the next guy in cinci will be Boomer 2.0
They won’t be picking anywhere near the top of the draft so saying they will get one of the top guys in the the draft seems highly unlikely. They will lose players. My guess is Elliot will be the one to be let go. Easier to find a good RB after round one. And w that OL they probably feel he’s the more replaceable
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
You are right on the pulse of what's happening in Dallas.
The front office has come out multiple times that the deals for these players will get done.
First will be Prescott, next will be Cooper, and I believe Jones during the season, if he proves that the hip injury is ok. Elliott will get paid in the 2020 off season.
QB contracts are insane. If Minny paid that stiff Cousins 25 million w all that guaranteed money Dak’s contract for going to have to average between 25-30 million per. Would love to see how all these guys get paid. Saying all head guys will get paid w Any sure certainty is naive
Maybe Prescott will learn how to throw a deep sideline pass that isn't woefully off-target. But I'd make him prove he can before I paid him like he can.
Unfortunately, the Dallas Cowboys are better managed than they used to be. So we'll see.
But Dallas already has him on their team. They've won with him. They know what they have. If they don't pay him, and they lose him, they have to find another QB somewhere, which is difficult and can be expensive in its own right. If they draft a QB and he doesn't pan out (which is what you are saying has happened with Dak) then you have another 2-4 years down the drain and at that point your window is probably closed with this group.
I believe you are describing what I am, guys winning by default because the big guns (or many of them) will be gone).
the guys in the first 1 or 2 years, yes I expect them to get better.
I also expect that there are guys who are not yet playing who will become HOF players. I mean thats inevitable, isn't it? There will be guys like Brady who come out of nowhere. There will be guys like brees who a change in scenery takes him to the next level. And there will be guys like Payton who will be drafted 1 overall who you know are going to be great from the start.
I mentioned Kerry Collins above. He was a decent QB. He played on a SB team. But should the Giants have paid him a lot of money on a next contract?? No. And they ended up winning two SB's without him. Dallas has a top OL. A top RB. A D that stat-wise was very good last year. And I think Dak is holding them back.
Which is why I hope they pay the guy handsomely. and I hope they keep Garrett around. Because once again - people talk about how good Dallas is - yet if the giants had gone 25 years without sniffing the SB, I'm sure we wouldn't be pleased, especially if we had an OL that is considered to be one of the all-time greats.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
See, the three exclamation points is how you know it's true.
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They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
You are right on the pulse of what's happening in Dallas.
The front office has come out multiple times that the deals for these players will get done.
First will be Prescott, next will be Cooper, and I believe Jones during the season, if he proves that the hip injury is ok. Elliott will get paid in the 2020 off season.
I think you nailed it Cowboys are starved for a Tittle and they are poised to make a run the window is open .
What is everyones take on a franchise QB anyway? If a franchise guy is top 5 or bust then there are only 5 teams that have a franchise QB. Eli has always been a 8-14 type of QB in ranking for me. I never saw him as the best in the game but he was good enough to win us 2 Superbowls and flashed top 5 in 2012 but was never consistently good enough to stay there.
Dak is what he is, he'll never be the best in the league but he also doesn't lose many games for Dallas. He'll get paid. Dallas is plagued more by bad coaching than bad QB play. I would say Garrett is a low level coach bottom 1/3 guy. They have talent and struggle every year. With an OL like they had they should have been a perennial powerhouse but instead they always looked better on paper. Thats on the coach.
Truthfully though, Jason Garrett has at the very least always kept the Cowboys competitive. Nobody is saying this is the goal or the standard, but it’s notable. His teams have either made the playoffs or played games in Week 17 with playoff implications in all but two seasons (not counting the 2010 season in which he was the interim head coach). That’s 75%.
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They are the Cowboys offense. Especially Zeke who is a terrific runner, pass protector and receiver. The only way he doesn’t get paid is if he screws up off the field.
Dak is highly thought of in Cowboys front office and coaching staff. He won’t get the $34 million his agent is asking for but it will be close to 28-30 million range per year.
The next 3 years is their prime SB period. It’s been a long SB drought for the Jones family. They finally have the offense and defense to win a title.
They will also try to resign Cooper to a long term deal. Count on it!!!
You are right on the pulse of what's happening in Dallas.
The front office has come out multiple times that the deals for these players will get done.
First will be Prescott, next will be Cooper, and I believe Jones during the season, if he proves that the hip injury is ok. Elliott will get paid in the 2020 off season.
I think you nailed it Cowboys are starved for a Tittle and they are poised to make a run the window is open .
That’s the point: Since they can’t get Tittle, Zak’s the guy