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| If you took one look at linebacker Lorenzo Carter during the Giants’ offseason program, it was easy to tell how much he’d bulked up since last season ended. “About 10-12 pounds,” Carter said. “I’m just trying to get stronger. It’s a league full of big guys, and I have to get bigger if I want to stay in it.” |
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he's getting to the point that it is ignorant if you think Carter isn't in the 10% or so of players not using PED's. Including kickers....
That may be true, but it is not necessary to use PEDs to gain that much in 6 months.
It absolutely is.
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In comment 14499767 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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he's getting to the point that it is ignorant if you think Carter isn't in the 10% or so of players not using PED's. Including kickers....
That may be true, but it is not necessary to use PEDs to gain that much in 6 months.
It absolutely is.
It is absolutely true that you need PEDs to gain 10-12 lbs in 6 months(muscle)?
Taking PEDs won't cause him to lose any speed or agility, unless he was on some bodybuilding type routine which is highly doubtful.
believe it is for everything...those caught previously at random tests whenever the league wants.
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In comment 14499767 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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he's getting to the point that it is ignorant if you think Carter isn't in the 10% or so of players not using PED's. Including kickers....
That may be true, but it is not necessary to use PEDs to gain that much in 6 months.
It absolutely is.
It is absolutely true that you need PEDs to gain 10-12 lbs in 6 months(muscle)?
Yes, unless you never touched a weight before. And he gained 10-12 lbs of pure muscle. That is impossible without PEDs. And from the videos it looked like he did it in two months.
Yes, unless you never touched a weight before. And he gained 10-12 lbs of pure muscle. That is impossible without PEDs. And from the videos it looked like he did it in two months.
I just did a quick google search of a couple of places and as I said, 1-2 lbs per month is expected without PEDs.
These guys are just about at max natural testosterone period of their lives. But yeah if it was 2 months, then that would be suspect.
4/20? Good to know that somebody at the league office has a sense of humor.
It has been very much in line with what I've learned over the years from the training staffs.
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Yes, unless you never touched a weight before. And he gained 10-12 lbs of pure muscle. That is impossible without PEDs. And from the videos it looked like he did it in two months.
I just did a quick google search of a couple of places and as I said, 1-2 lbs per month is expected without PEDs.
These guys are just about at max natural testosterone period of their lives. But yeah if it was 2 months, then that would be suspect.
1-2 lbs of muscle a month for someone that has been lifting weights for years is ridiculous. There is a calculator out there that has been used to find out how much muscle you can have at frame measurements at wrist and ankle at relatively low body fats as has been measure through years of elite natural body building competitions. And these guys are even't guaranteed clean, just within a reasonable time of their competition.
Muscle memory has been proved to be a real thing as far as PEDs are concerned. When you have reached a certain musculature it has been proven that you can reach closer back there off the gear than if you never took them at all. Which brings up the issue that if you think PEDs are cheating than athletes who have ever taken them should be banned for life as it has given them a lifetime advantage.
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that for recreational drugs only or PEDs too?
4/20? Good to know that somebody at the league office has a sense of humor.
LOL right, its the only reason I can remember the date off the top of my head.
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In comment 14499676 Eric from BBI said:
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Such a stupid movie, but that scene always makes me laugh.
Haha no doubt, classic “so bad it’s good” movie.
I legitimately love that movie and watch it every July/August. Starting defense! Place at the table!
Amusing random story...about 15 years ago me and a buddy were sitting at the bar in Yankee Doodles in Santa Monica, having a few beers and watching college football. Conversation turned to the quality of different LA strip clubs...and the guy sitting near us at the bar says he’s hopping a flight to Vegas in a couple hours, and we should join him for a night hitting the strip clubs there.
Didn’t recognize him at first due to long hair and beard, but realized it was the guy who played Lattimer in the Program. We chatted with him for a bit but declined the invite, as we had some event we’d committed to in LA that night. To this day, we regret not going, and seeing what sort of insanity would have resulted from rolling around Vegas with that guy for a night!
Haha spot on. I mean, I don’t even remember what the event was we thought we couldn’t miss, but we whiffed on what would have been a legendary trip. I do remember we ended up at that dirty joint under the 10 Freeway overpass later that night (club lingerie maybe?), but it was a poor consolation prize
One of the guys I worked with hung out with a few NFL players. He was in Arizona and worked out with Phillippi Sparks and a few other guys. We're in Vegas for a trade show and he asks if we wanted to go out that night. Now I know when he goes out, he's going to the club and dropping a ton of coin on bottle service and crap this old man can't hang with anymore. Plus, I was already lining up playing in a poker tourney.
Get to the booth the next day and no Wally. Finally shows up after lunch literally looking like he was hit by a bus. Puffy eyes. Still staggering. He ended up running into Junior Seau and they met up with a few other guys and head to a club. He says Seau paid for the group and had to have dropped about $5K minimum. Stayed out all night and said it was epic. Showed pics of the women they were with. Kicking myself because it would've been a blast and because I won't ever get that chance again.
One of the guys I worked with hung out with a few NFL players. He was in Arizona and worked out with Phillippi Sparks and a few other guys. We're in Vegas for a trade show and he asks if we wanted to go out that night. Now I know when he goes out, he's going to the club and dropping a ton of coin on bottle service and crap this old man can't hang with anymore. Plus, I was already lining up playing in a poker tourney.
Get to the booth the next day and no Wally. Finally shows up after lunch literally looking like he was hit by a bus. Puffy eyes. Still staggering. He ended up running into Junior Seau and they met up with a few other guys and head to a club. He says Seau paid for the group and had to have dropped about $5K minimum. Stayed out all night and said it was epic. Showed pics of the women they were with. Kicking myself because it would've been a blast and because I won't ever get that chance again.
But hey, you got to play in a poker tournament.
He was the life of the table. I couldn't ever tell if he was being funny or serious, but he was cranking out some funny stories. Someone said "Hey you were in Men in Black", and he said - "Yeah, but don't get any ideas about me and Will Smith. He went nowhere near my tight asshole!!"
interesting quip re. Dabo...been to Death Valley (or whatever they call it), quite the facilities up there, massive, hot as blazes on a day like this
Going to a September game there is like a 2 hour sauna!
assholes.
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In about 6 months. It’s amazing that the NFL doesn’t have 50% of the league suspended for PED’s.
You can easily had 2 lb per month at that age without PEDs or HGH.
No doubt. An average male can put 8-10 lbs of muscle on in a year with proper nutrition and workouts. For a young physical specimen like NFL players who have access to the best training staff,facilities and nutritionists, not to mention the specified scientific analysis of each player these days, I don't think what Carter has done is outrageous or because of PED's.
Not unless there was specif slow twitch type training, which an NFLer wouldn't be engaging in. More muscle less speed is a myth. More muscle often means more explosive tissue meaning more speed. It is about muscle fat ratios which is the advantage of PEDs. Pure muscle is going to mean at the very least no reduction in speed.
I'm actually excited, he clearly is a good responder and won't have the issue that Floyd has putting on weight. Believe it or not people respond differently to PEDs. Carter looks like an NFL LBer now, add his strength to his impressive speed/acc and I expect really big things from him this year! I'm honestly thinking we have a breakout star on our hands. This is exactly what DG hoped for when he drafted him.
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In about 6 months. It’s amazing that the NFL doesn’t have 50% of the league suspended for PED’s.
Seriously, is that even possible for someone to do naturally? I get that NFL players have access to the best training/food regiments, but even still...
10-12 lbs of pure muscle in six months isn't possible, unless you're young, diet is perfect, and you've never trained before.
One of the guys I worked with hung out with a few NFL players. He was in Arizona and worked out with Phillippi Sparks and a few other guys. We're in Vegas for a trade show and he asks if we wanted to go out that night. Now I know when he goes out, he's going to the club and dropping a ton of coin on bottle service and crap this old man can't hang with anymore. Plus, I was already lining up playing in a poker tourney.
Get to the booth the next day and no Wally. Finally shows up after lunch literally looking like he was hit by a bus. Puffy eyes. Still staggering. He ended up running into Junior Seau and they met up with a few other guys and head to a club. He says Seau paid for the group and had to have dropped about $5K minimum. Stayed out all night and said it was epic. Showed pics of the women they were with. Kicking myself because it would've been a blast and because I won't ever get that chance again.
And guess what FMiC? Junior Seau missed half a lifetime of missed opportunities because of choices he made and the way he balled as a young man...
Who carried regrets straight to the grave?
Yeh that was one of the vids I was talking about. I'm like this dude is taller than Hernandez and Carter is taller than this guy by a couple inches.
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In comment 14499684 BlueHurricane said:
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In about 6 months. It’s amazing that the NFL doesn’t have 50% of the league suspended for PED’s.
You can easily had 2 lb per month at that age without PEDs or HGH.
Lol, don't take this the wrong way, but that is beyond ignorant.
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In comment 14499684 BlueHurricane said:
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In about 6 months. It’s amazing that the NFL doesn’t have 50% of the league suspended for PED’s.
You can easily had 2 lb per month at that age without PEDs or HGH.
Lol, don't take this the wrong way, but that is beyond ignorant.
you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. When I graduated from college I was about 190lbs and I got a job offer. It didn't start for 9 months so all I did was eat and exercise. I went back to school a few times for weekend jaunts and was immediately accused of juicing. I did nothing of the sort, and in fact did use Sustenon for 12 weeks 2 years prior and it didn't have anywhere near the impact of what happens as the male body matures. I went from a wiry 190 to a bulked up 215 in 9 months. You hit an adult growth spurt in your early to late teens and 20s and you fill out. I was far far bigger just focusing on the diet and exercise strictly for 9 months. Just because a 20 something suddenly adds 10-12 lbs is literally nothing. If he was 28-30 sure I would wonder, but males thicken and fill out at that age and if you are working your ass off you can get much bigger much quicker. You can paint it how you choose but it's absolutely possible and I was proof and I wasn't in an NFL weight program. It sounds like you either got too big on peds or they didn't work for you, this jilted lover thing just reeks of sour grapes.
your past use could still play a huge factor in it two years later.
Link below is sourced to lots of guys that actually know what the fuck they are talking about.
There are very clear indicators he cycled something between February and April. And from what he looks like it looks like something as simple as a real basic cycle, which would still keep him under the NFL testing guidelines.
Oh and lol trust me I don't worry about what I look like. I've heard everything from male model (back in the days when I could run a lot more) to Julian Edelman just a few weeks ago as I live on the beach in Tampa Bay. So yeah I actually know what the fuck I am talking about.
Maybe I'll post a pic If I figure out how to blur my face.
Link - ( New Window )
UGA's training program is on a pro-level, I can guarantee that. And steroids aren't cheating in the NFL. I put them in the same boat as training principles, some or going to give you better results than others and it is about learning which ones do that for the particular athlete.
Well if he's picked up any training tips from Saquon, he can probably add "bulk" that gives him more power and speed and explosiveness in his lower half, but what you see in the pictures is a larger torso and arms.
Generally, the talk among scouting reports was that he was a bit under-powered for the NFL edge game, but his frame had more than enough space for him to correct that.
Hopefully that's exactly what he's done.
He cam in as a top tier athlete but not yet top tier FB player. Would be nice to see him reach his full potential. When did any Giant last do that? Victor Cruz? JPP briefly?
Linval Joseph, but in another uniform?
Stop pretending that you're an expert.
FFS, nowhere in his interview did he say "pure muscle" anyway.
I would suggest that "expert analysis" requires a bit more than a guy claiming, off the cuff, that he has gained 10-12lbs.
Wrong. My weight fluctuates 10-12 lbs. per month. A pro athlete? Easily done without PEDs.
Very true. 10-12 lbs gained in that time period is either fat or _____. No doubt about it.