It's interesting to speculate, who among the NFl's "geezer" QBs have the most "game" left, on opening day 2019 (and who will get "the boot" next)
Brady will be 42 years, 35 days - Successor ?
Brees will be 40 years, 233 days - Successor ?
Manning will be 38 years, 245 days - Dan Jones, successor
Roethlisberger will be 37 years 268 days - Successor ?
Some of these posts are just ridiculous.
Come on Allen the idea that Eli will be replaced sometime during the coming season let alone 2020 is anything but ridiculous
You might not like the idea, but it s realistic
Or I don't want to retire the same year as it will hurt my first ballot HOF chances?
No he's not. The Saints reportedly showed a lot of interest in the QB's in this years draft. They also didn't re-sign Bridgewater immediately after the season. The fact that they let him shop around in free agency proves that they don't view him as more than a solid backup.
So if he has 4500 yard 35 TD season leads them to the playoffs and the SB, he isn’t the starting QB next year?
Care to rethink that?
I’ don’t that will happen, but you never know.
Exactly, I dont believe anything DG says about Eli, it's just lip service. However, his actions paint another story, that this is most likely Eli's final year.
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Eli Manning can do to have a 2020 and beyond future with the Giants.
So if he has 4500 yard 35 TD season leads them to the playoffs and the SB, he isn’t the starting QB next year?
Care to rethink that?
I agree, if he somehow finds a time machine and turns into his 30 year old self, then yes. Since Eli has only achieved each of those statistical milestones once in his career, and since this team appears fairly ill-equipped to make a SB run, that's probably not a very likely scenario.
Can we get back to talking about reality now?
To say Eli has zero chance to be the starter is absolutely false. But I am sure the crowd will tell me I am wrong.
If Eli plays well and the team has a great year, he will be back. How does that sound?
In the Era of megdeals for QB's, having a #6 pick sit for two years on his rookie deal cannot be justified.
That being said, I hope we make the playoffs or better and eli either retires or parlays that success into a FA deal elsewhere.
To say Eli has zero chance to be the starter is absolutely false. But I am sure the crowd will tell me I am wrong.
If Eli plays well and the team has a great year, he will be back. How does that sound?
That's fair. And I would think, more in line with what you actually believe (or should). Because to be honest, you suggesting that IF he matches or tops his career highs in passing yards and touchdowns AND leads the team to the SB that he'll be back, is basically offering the same certainty that he'll be gone as Manny's OP did. The type of season you suggested as what it would take for him to come back is just so incredibly unlikely to actually happen. That was my point.
But yeah, that was the bat signal. Not that you made a typically defensive post that wasn't actually grounded in reality. And oh, goody - a claim to being a better fan. I suppose "real" fans are the ones who don't know shit about Eli's career stats and toss statistical milestones out there like they'd be just another good season for Eli rather than what they'd actually represent: statistically the best season of Eli's career.
Yes, if Eli somehow has the best season of his career, he'll be back. You really went out on a limb there to defend your hero. What a "real" fan you are.
I gave an innocent hypothetical. You came running like you usually do to shit on it. Great "fan".
Its sad and pathetic. But consider the poster and his history and it actually makes sense.
How much better is a good comp pick, saving the ~20M cap space, and getting Jones game experience than no pick, foregoing the free agents ~20M net in 2020, and burning 2/4 cheap years of Jones? (Remember that 5th year option is VERY expensive for a QB).
How much better is a good comp pick, saving the ~20M cap space, and getting Jones game experience than no pick, foregoing the free agents ~20M net in 2020, and burning 2/4 cheap years of Jones? (Remember that 5th year option is VERY expensive for a QB).
It all depends on a few things...
1. How much better did the Giants get with Eli at QB.
2. How close are the Giants from being a legitimate contender for a SB.
3. How did Jones progress as the year went on in practice.
Like I said earlier in the thread. If Eli has a big year (I wont throw out numbers so the cat crowd can stay away), and the team is in the playoffs, or winning playoff games...
They may want to see one more run.
Jones will be another year towards a 2nd contract and he was the #6 pick. This isn't a mid-round guy we're talking about.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Giants brought Eli back is we have a very successful season, but I don't think it would be the right move.
It would be a perfect time for him to ride off either to retirement or as a FA without any hard feelings.
Jones will be another year towards a 2nd contract and he was the #6 pick. This isn't a mid-round guy we're talking about.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Giants brought Eli back is we have a very successful season, but I don't think it would be the right move.
It would be a perfect time for him to ride off either to retirement or as a FA without any hard feelings.
No argument here. My stance is if the Giants have a really good year - getting rid of your QB after years of demise is risky too. And when I say Eli may come back - he would have to have a monster year. Not 20-25 TDs and 12-15 INTs. A close to MVP tyoe year.
I gave an innocent hypothetical. You came running like you usually do to shit on it. Great "fan".
Give it a rest Super Fan #10. I've been as big a fan of Eli as anyone up until the past few years when I felt like some sort of succession plan was appropriate. I just don't gargle for the guy, that's the difference.
If it helps you feel better about yourself to think you're a better fan than me, you can have it. God knows it seems like you're fucking desperate for the accolades.
I'm so happy you got to bring up "his whole career" so you can talk about how you've been tracking every one of my posts across three separate message boards for the better part of two decades.
Fucking weirdo.
You have been bitching for YEARS how selfish he has been and how he never took a pay cut to help the team (which I proved to you which wasnt true btw.)
Your schtick across 3 boards is the only weird thing right now. OMG, I SUPPORT A PLAYER ON THE TEAM I ROOT FOR!!
I think the weird thing is shitting on him as much as you do. Get a goddamn life already.
Absolutely amazing. One positive post about Eli and he came running. haha.
Its an interesting thought. Until Jones comes in and struggles and then everyone bitches again...
How about we all agree that lets hope Eli rips shit up this year and puts us in a debating mode this offseason!
Absolutely amazing. One positive post about Eli and he came running. haha.
dep, don't you do the same exact thing to posters who even slightly criticize Eli? Kind of a double standard there.
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how funny it is when posters shit on other posters for rooting and defending players on the team they both support.
Absolutely amazing. One positive post about Eli and he came running. haha.
dep, don't you do the same exact thing to posters who even slightly criticize Eli? Kind of a double standard there.
Not even close. Gotta be able to differentiate constructive criticism and making flat out false claims. Most of my arguments over eli has to do with why certain plays turn out the way they do (whos at fault), posters just flat out attacking Eli and wishing bad things to him, or make it known people are attacking posters or players who stick up for him.
If you look back in the last few years, I have supported many posters who claim its time for a succession plan.
Is the pot meets kettle phrase appropriate here?
But I have never needed a time out. Can you say the same?
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If the surrounding talent is near championship level, I go with Jones. It means the team is in the proverbial "window," and knowing that window all things considered lasts 4-5 years and is a crap shoot, I'd absolutely go with the young guy.
Its an interesting thought. Until Jones comes in and struggles and then everyone bitches again...
How about we all agree that lets hope Eli rips shit up this year and puts us in a debating mode this offseason!
I actually hope Manning doesn't. One thing I learned from Coughlin and 2004 -- you have to prune the tree -- even if you trim too early.
Kurt Warner could have managed with that team, Collins could have managed with that team. Either of those guys could have been really competitive in 05-08.
You could argue in 2005 and 2006, with the way Barber was playing, a vet QB might have gotten those teams further.
But neither of those guys were going to sniff the playoffs in 2011.
It's time to start investing at all levels in what this team will be over the next 5-10 years at QB, even if it means sacrificing competitiveness for a year or two.
Jones will be another year towards a 2nd contract and he was the #6 pick. This isn't a mid-round guy we're talking about.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Giants brought Eli back is we have a very successful season, but I don't think it would be the right move.
It would be a perfect time for him to ride off either to retirement or as a FA without any hard feelings.
I actually hope Manning doesn't. One thing I learned from Coughlin and 2004 -- you have to prune the tree -- even if you trim too early.
Kurt Warner could have managed with that team, Collins could have managed with that team. Either of those guys could have been really competitive in 05-08.
You could argue in 2005 and 2006, with the way Barber was playing, a vet QB might have gotten those teams further.
But neither of those guys were going to sniff the playoffs in 2011.
It's time to start investing at all levels in what this team will be over the next 5-10 years at QB, even if it means sacrificing competitiveness for a year or two.
You make some really solid points...
Only thing I disagree with is I hope Eli rips shit up. He deserves one more great year before he leaves the game.
Jones will be another year towards a 2nd contract and he was the #6 pick. This isn't a mid-round guy we're talking about.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Giants brought Eli back is we have a very successful season, but I don't think it would be the right move.
It would be a perfect time for him to ride off either to retirement or as a FA without any hard feelings.
Would agree in the main, but again, even if for discussion purposes Eli rips it up this year and starts again and finishes up year 2 of Jones, I don’t see much of a contract dilemma. Jones would still have years 3, 4 and option year 5 to show his mettle. And if he does, we’d have and additional few years of TAGS if we opted to go that route.
I have zero problem with Jones being THE guy in year 2, I just fail to see the urgency
Still, you guys didn't answer the question - Who is next to get the boot, after Eli ?
I'd say Rivers 'cause he's never delivered a Super Bowl.
Then Brees (even though he came within one blown call from going to the SB)
Then Brady because he's the oldest (the it's either him or me threat won't work again)
Then Roth because he seems to have the Steelers by the balls. It's gonna be UGLY the day he's shown the door
The 5th year option and franchise tags are not cost advantages. Winston and Mariota are like the 13th most expensive players in the league this year.
If Manning sticks around for 2 years, the Giants only net savings in year 3 and 4 of the contract.
Brady's deal with Devil gets him to 45.
This is a hard, cruel business. When the Giants drafted a QB #6, Eli's future with the Giants ended, period. DG has already proven that he has little fear of unpopular management decisions.
You're the only one arguing that he was a top 3 QB in the 2018 draft.
This is a hard, cruel business. When the Giants drafted a QB #6, Eli's future with the Giants ended, period. DG has already proven that he has little fear of unpopular management decisions.
If Eli comes back for ANOTHER year, he’s not going to be cut in the preseason, so by playing in 2020, his agreed upon salary kicks in.
= Pretty Big Assumption.
I thought Brady showed definite signs of age last year. BB being ahead of the game went more with a power running game and I expect more of that this year again.
Brees looked liked he was really laboring at times last year. I am sure Payton is very concerned heading into the season. They also may have some OL issues which will magnify it.