With Eli gone after this season ...

In comment 14500671 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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I won't speak in absolutes, but even if Eli has an excellent year and the team does too, there's a value discussion to be had. Jones will be another year towards a 2nd contract and he was the #6 pick. This isn't a mid-round guy we're talking about. It wouldn't surprise me if the Giants brought Eli back is we have a very successful season, but I don't think it would be the right move. It would be a perfect time for him to ride off either to retirement or as a FA without any hard feelings.

This is a pragmatic and honest outlook bereft of emotion. I agree. I think the only thing that brings Eli back is if we win a playoff game and Eli looks exceptional. I find this very unlikely though.

In comment 14500854 christian said:

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I actually hope Manning doesn't. One thing I learned from Coughlin and 2004 -- you have to prune the tree -- even if you trim too early. Kurt Warner could have managed with that team, Collins could have managed with that team. Either of those guys could have been really competitive in 05-08. You could argue in 2005 and 2006, with the way Barber was playing, a vet QB might have gotten those teams further. But neither of those guys were going to sniff the playoffs in 2011. It's time to start investing at all levels in what this team will be over the next 5-10 years at QB, even if it means sacrificing competitiveness for a year or two.

You make some really solid points...

Only thing I disagree with is I hope Eli rips shit up. He deserves one more great year before he leaves the game.

In comment 14500671 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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I won't speak in absolutes, but even if Eli has an excellent year and the team does too, there's a value discussion to be had. Jones will be another year towards a 2nd contract and he was the #6 pick. This isn't a mid-round guy we're talking about. It wouldn't surprise me if the Giants brought Eli back is we have a very successful season, but I don't think it would be the right move. It would be a perfect time for him to ride off either to retirement or as a FA without any hard feelings.

Would agree in the main, but again, even if for discussion purposes Eli rips it up this year and starts again and finishes up year 2 of Jones, I don’t see much of a contract dilemma. Jones would still have years 3, 4 and option year 5 to show his mettle. And if he does, we’d have and additional few years of TAGS if we opted to go that route.

I have zero problem with Jones being THE guy in year 2, I just fail to see the urgency

December 8th 1981 to opening day (September 5th, 2019) is 37 years,8months and 28 days.

Still, you guys didn't answer the question - Who is next to get the boot, after Eli ?

I'd say Rivers 'cause he's never delivered a Super Bowl.

Then Brees (even though he came within one blown call from going to the SB)

Then Brady because he's the oldest (the it's either him or me threat won't work again)

Then Roth because he seems to have the Steelers by the balls. It's gonna be UGLY the day he's shown the door

If this is a value and contract debate, remember the Giants are likely to have 30M+ allocated to the QB position this year, and if Manning is back in 2020 likely the same or more.

The 5th year option and franchise tags are not cost advantages. Winston and Mariota are like the 13th most expensive players in the league this year.

If Manning sticks around for 2 years, the Giants only net savings in year 3 and 4 of the contract.

I think Brees's arm is shot. I say he's out after this year.

Brady's deal with Devil gets him to 45.

You only have so many fastballs...

If Eli would agree to come back on a no-guarantees deal, you might see him. I cannot see him doing this.

This is a hard, cruel business. When the Giants drafted a QB #6, Eli's future with the Giants ended, period. DG has already proven that he has little fear of unpopular management decisions.

In comment 14500406 Spider56 said:

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Who (arguably) was a top 3 QB in the 2018 draft. Big Ben has had a lot of injuries thru his career ... he could go downhill very quickly.

You're the only one arguing that he was a top 3 QB in the 2018 draft.

In comment 14500954 Bob in Newburgh said:

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If Eli would agree to come back on a no-guarantees deal, you might see him. I cannot see him doing this. This is a hard, cruel business. When the Giants drafted a QB #6, Eli's future with the Giants ended, period. DG has already proven that he has little fear of unpopular management decisions.

If Eli comes back for ANOTHER year, he’s not going to be cut in the preseason, so by playing in 2020, his agreed upon salary kicks in.

= Pretty Big Assumption.

can you see ANY WAY they can win a Super Bowl with him? Because if the answer is “NO”, than you have to turn the page sooner than later. The decision is as simple as that (all other factors like Jones pick slot, and rookie deal not withstanding)

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will be back if he has a very good year AND the Giants feel they can challenge for a Super Bowl Run with another year of experience for the young ones, another draft and lots of money in free agency. I hope it is a one year deal and the Giants tell Eli they are moving on no matter what after that season. You don't give up on a QB who has one the big one twice.

I thought Brady showed definite signs of age last year. BB being ahead of the game went more with a power running game and I expect more of that this year again.

Brees looked liked he was really laboring at times last year. I am sure Payton is very concerned heading into the season. They also may have some OL issues which will magnify it.