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Grateful for Barkley.

Thegratefulhead : 7/17/2019 10:30 am
I have to admit, I did want a quarterback in that draft. I was wrong. Barkley has all the talent in the world. Everything a running back needs, agility, strength, speed, explosion, hands, route running. All of it, and it is undeniably exciting to watch. Are we not here to be entertained? Combine that with a person that trains with the team, always says the right thing and is of the highest character. When undeniable talent and unmistakable character converge, you have greatness. I'm really looking forward to seeing what this young man does. When Daniel Jones finally gets a chance to start I don't know how he could fail with Barkley in the backfield. It was the right pick.
Too early to say if it was the right pick,  
RollBlue : 7/17/2019 10:36 am : link
the team went 5-11 with him. If Daniel Jones is a good (or better) as Darnold, then is was a Home Run. If Jones sucks and Darnold goes on to be an all pro........ Mostly likely will know in 3-4 years. being entertained is nice, but let's start winning more than losing - need a good QB in order to start doing that (or great defense).
He is amazing  
Les in TO : 7/17/2019 10:37 am : link
Hopefully he has a long and successful career here.
I agree..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/17/2019 10:38 am : link
that Barkley can make Jones look better.

I think Elliott makes Dak look better.

What I'm more excited about is having the OL not be one of the worst in the league and see what we can finally do when that albatross is lifted.
Piggybacking from mbavaro's thread  
dep026 : 7/17/2019 10:39 am : link
the lack of talent on this team in the last 15 years is very alarming. Taking an amazing talent is and never will be a bad pick.
RE: I agree..  
Beezer : 7/17/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14500563 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that Barkley can make Jones look better.

I think Elliott makes Dak look better.

What I'm more excited about is having the OL not be one of the worst in the league and see what we can finally do when that albatross is lifted.


Imagine is your (A) and (B) come to fruition AND (C) the defense is at least middle-of-the road.
We passed on a decent qb to take an outstanding running back.  
Ira : 7/17/2019 10:42 am : link
It looks like a good move from this perspective. We'll see as it continues to unfold.
So many argued against Barkley  
Chris684 : 7/17/2019 10:43 am : link
saying it would be years before another opportunity to find a QB would come along.

As it turned out, we drafted our guy the very next year. For those who are Jones non-believers, even if they didn't like Jones, they could have made a move for Rosen for pennies on the dollar had they liked him.

absolutely a great pick. you just can’t pass a generational talent  
plato : 7/17/2019 10:46 am : link
who is the “total” package at a skill position. Would Young have passed on LT? almost certainly not even though personality issues were hinted at. the giants of the 80’s were LT’s team, not Simm’s.

so the giants of the 2020’s should be, barring the horror of injury, SB’s. he is the face of the franchise. Eli is quickly fading from that role. DG is well into rebuilding a team that can compete just as G. Young did. Now we need some lucky bounces of the funny object called football and luck. we have a chance in almost every game, we are on the road to being a competitive team in every game.
this does not mean we are ready. not at all. we have a younger team that needs to learn to play together, units have to gel, units have to integrate with each other into offense and defense, we need to play as a team. that takes a season or two while new players are added where needed. but gettleman gets it. hopefully our coaching staff does.
If you want to be smart  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/17/2019 10:46 am : link
You should pan every 1st round QB pick, you will be much more often be right then wrong. Definitely no Luck in last year's draft, that's why the jagaloon bbi Darnold and Rosen cultists grinds my gears.

Oh and SB is a 235 lb Faulk/Sanders.
Happy  
Thegratefulhead : 7/17/2019 11:01 am : link
For me, I don't have to wait. The unquestionably best player on the team is also the hardest working. It is more than the RB position. It affects ALL the plyers on the team. REAL LEADER OF GROWN ASS MEN!!
We got a great RB  
mdthedream : 7/17/2019 11:25 am : link
and this year took a QB. Barkley is a stud other than Mayfield who was taken the others we will see. I am not sure any of them is better than Jones. The one thing I do know is Barkley is one of the best players in the NFL now. The eye doesn't lie.
He is  
lax counsel : 7/17/2019 1:28 pm : link
Certainly a great talent and an even better person. I am happy to have him be the focal point of the franchise for now. That being said, for this team to turn into a legit yearly contender, Daniel Jones needs to be the best player on this team and one of the better qbs in the league.

We’ve seen the cautionary tale of the “rise” of the mediocre qb with Keenum, Foles, and Bortles. It takes more than a game manager to contend on a yearly basis. Early returns on DJ are solid, hopefully that sticks in game situations. Having Barkley and a legit oline should certainly give him a chance to build that confidence and let his natural talent rise.
I'm still not sold on the OL  
RollBlue : 7/17/2019 2:33 pm : link
Solder was average at best, Hernandez had a decent rookie year and should improve, Zeigler should be an upgrade, but Center looks very iffy, as does RT.

Look, everyone pretty much knew Barkley was the safest pick. After going 5-11 (and now no OBJ, who is also a generational talent), I don't know how anyone thinking logically can say it was the right pick - remember Eli was a bust for all of his first three years and most of his fourt, but Darnold can't become a SB champion?

I hope Jones is the real deal, but no way of knowing right now.
Well  
mdthedream : 7/17/2019 2:50 pm : link
for one its not like the Giants couldn't draft a QB the following year like they did. Barkley is not only the safe pick he is a once in a life time pick.
He is bieing compared to Barry Sanders.  
TMS : 7/17/2019 3:07 pm : link
If he is 3/4 as good we struck gold. Do not see any negatives yet but we will see.
Think the Giants management had their eye on Jones for the past two  
TMS : 7/17/2019 3:12 pm : link
years. DG and his team gave him a long look and evaluation. The comparison to a young Peyton would trigger that kind of interest alone.
If Jones becomes the next franchise QB  
Jay on the Island : 7/17/2019 5:24 pm : link
we need to enjoy every minute of the next few years because the Giants will never get a RB like Barkley again. Imagine how different Eli career would have been had he had Barkley from year one.

Of course, the most important thing is what a player does on the field  
Ira : 7/17/2019 5:31 pm : link
but, in any sport, you want your team's best players to set a good example in behavior. We're lucky in that respect with Manning and Barkley. This Mayfield business drives that home.
RE: Think the Giants management had their eye on Jones for the past two  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/17/2019 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14500929 TMS said:
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years. DG and his team gave him a long look and evaluation. The comparison to a young Peyton would trigger that kind of interest alone.


I wouldn't complain if we got a bigger version of Barry Sanders (who's more proficient as a pass receiver too) and a young Peyton Manning (who's more mobile and a better pure athlete) at RB and QB with our two first picks in 2018 and 2019.
RE: If Jones becomes the next franchise QB  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/17/2019 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14501054 Jay on the Island said:
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we need to enjoy every minute of the next few years because the Giants will never get a RB like Barkley again. Imagine how different Eli career would have been had he had Barkley from year one.


Huh? Because Tiki Barber, Shockey, and Amani Toomer sucked?

Nothing against Eli, but the narrative that Eli's career was held back by the skills position players alongside him is pure hogwash. The OL held him back since 2009 or so, but with skills position players he's had more than enough year after year. The only negative was the team kept losing good skills position guys through injuries - Plax, Steve Smith, Nicks , Cruz, and Manningham, Boss etc etc.

He didn't have the luxury of Peyton's long time targets and rushing weapons Harrison, Wayne, James, Clark...

But he had fine weapons all the same.
Lou surprised you left out  
TMS : 7/17/2019 7:01 pm : link
Plaxico who might have been the best of them all before he went off the deep end.
Jones  
lax counsel : 7/17/2019 8:48 pm : link
Being a mobile Peyton would be one of the all time coups (sp?). But I think that’s very much a reach. I would settle for Matt Ryan with mobility and a little more ice in the veins.
RE: Lou surprised you left out  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/18/2019 1:44 am : link
In comment 14501098 TMS said:
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Plaxico who might have been the best of them all before he went off the deep end.


Left Plax out on purpose because I was responding to Jay's post re who Eli had from year one! Plax arrived to the Giants Eli's 2nd year...
RE: Too early to say if it was the right pick,  
Brown_Hornet : 7/18/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14500561 RollBlue said:
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the team went 5-11 with him. If Daniel Jones is a good (or better) as Darnold, then is was a Home Run. If Jones sucks and Darnold goes on to be an all pro........ Mostly likely will know in 3-4 years. being entertained is nice, but let's start winning more than losing - need a good QB in order to start doing that (or great defense).


Hmm...
...no, I think that we knew that it was the right pick about 4 games into the season.

He might be the best offensive player in the NFL.
He IS the most entertaining player in the NFL.

The OP said it best, "Are you not entertained?!"

Yup, Grateful.
Que the dancing bears~
I don't agree wiht the OP  
giantstock : 7/19/2019 12:04 am : link
It's only a great pick if they win a lot or win some SB's. The OP is just wrong. Are people really believing that individual stats are more important than winning? If Darnold, or Allen or Rosen win a lot and Barkley doesn't, please explain how individual stats are more important?

The idea behind not taking the QB is that it isn't a very important position - meaning you can't win a lot with it. If any of the QB's win a lot more, how can anyone justify "stats" over "wins?"

***I do believe the pick can be super. Can be the right move. Just get Barkley a good OL and at worst a decent QB but preferably --> God I hope Jones is damn good. Then obviously selecting Barkley was the right pick. -- But not until the winning starts.

Barkley is an exciting amazing talent. But he is not the right choice until he proves he can put the team on his back to a certain extent and win a lot. For the record, I think SB could be among the greatest RB's ever if he can remain healthy for a certain spell.
Whoa...  
Brown_Hornet : 7/19/2019 12:38 am : link
...It was a great pick.

Barkley was an easy pick  
Jimmy Googs : 7/19/2019 5:21 am : link
let’s see if Jones becomes the great pick...
He is born February 7th like me and in my favorite team  
NephilimGiants : 7/19/2019 1:28 pm : link
Couldn't be more grateful
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