will be loading up to stop Saquon even more than last season. But I think he’ll still take a run at it
They didn’t stop him when OBJ was out last year. They may actually be better off and they won’t feel the need to force the ball to OBJ. We will see for sure one way or the other
OL is improved, there are enough weapons to spread the ball around - defenses will be gunning for him HARD though.
Outside Football ranked our open field blocking, which I believe is mainly attributable to our WRs and TEs, as the best in the league. To that we've added a top blocking WR in Golden Tate.
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People talk about loading up the box as a way of stopping RBs and that may be true for your bruiser types. Saquon will make you pay for this in the run game, especially with two top blocking WRs. People wonder were our big plays are going to come from now that Odell is here, they are going to come from the run game. Bend don't break defenses rarely load up the box unless they are facing numbers where they are forced to for this reason.
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will be loading up to stop Saquon even more than last season. But I think he’ll still take a run at it
How did he do in the last 4 games of last season?
Oh he crushed it, and I expect he will continue to do so. I just think the offense will see even more scheming to stop him - which should open things up for Engram and the WRs more in turn
This isn't a popular take, but do remember 1) the Giants were a bottom 3rd running team last year 2) Barkley was an inefficient receiver last year.
He's a fabulous player no doubt, but I'd much prefer a more efficient offense that makes a little "fewer" but better use of Barkley.
I hope the number of passes that go his way are way, way down. If those passes are going to WRs those yards go up. South of 8 yards a reception is not great.
There's a contingent that believes more yards for Barkley some how will define a good offense, I just don't see it.
He was 2nd in the league rushing, I bet if he stays healthy he leads the league in rushing.
With slot receivers by trade in Shepard and Tate, I bet his touches as a receiver go way down.
People talk about loading up the box as a way of stopping RBs and that may be true for your bruiser types. Saquon will make you pay for this in the run game, especially with two top blocking WRs. People wonder were our big plays are going to come from now that Odell is here, they are going to come from the run game. Bend don't break defenses rarely load up the box unless they are facing numbers where they are forced to for this reason.
People tend to forget that at every level Barkley has played, opposing teams have been keying on him and loading up the box. It hasn't worked. Barkley is a unique talent. He will get his yards whether on the ground or in the air. He's been doing it his entire life.
RB's generally have a short shelf life. Do you really want to push him to break the yards from scrimmage record in a transitional year?
The Titans also missed the playoffs the year Johnson got 2,500. So...what's the point?
By 2011 Johnson was a good back. No longer great
Barkley has about 40 pounds on Johnson at the same age. He's far more built to last. Barkley is also the superior receiving back so if he were to do that, more of the yards would come through the air. Johnson that year carried the ball 100 more times than Barkley did this past year, there's no way his workload is increasing that much on the ground.
Another note about loading up the box...defenses won't do it unless Â
I expect some people to understand that during game threads this year and others to, well not. There is a reason RB's fall off the cliff and a lot of that has to do with how they are managed, especially when it is clear they aren't resigning. It used to be running the ball meant more stats meant more money for the RB. Advanced stats are showing the opposite and Demarco Murray was a great example of that. Probably going to see a lot of RBs in contract years demand less carries and not more.
Saquon Barkley accomplished his fantastic rookie season with low subpar OL play for the majority of the season. If you begin with the first game against the Jaguars no other RB makes that touchdown run. When analyzing that play how much can be attributed to the OL blocking. Much of his production was accomplished in spite of the OL compliment. Think of how many carries resulted in negative yardage, yet he still amassed the statistical results.
Now place Zeitler and Remmers or even Wheeler as he progressed throughout the season to go along with Hernandez and Solder with the winner at center between Halapio and Pulley. It will be the best OL that Saquon has ever enjoyed in his football career. I think we really have no idea of the ceiling he is capable of attaining. Another point of interest Saquon physical weight is on par with Earl Campbell with Barry Sanders athleticism and Chris Johnson speed. The sky is the limit for this amazing athlete.
If he's healthy all 16 games and his OL is too, for the vast majority anyway, 1600+ rushing and 1000+ receiving > 2600 yards from scrimmage for the record.
Or how many records he breaks. I want the team to win...period.
This. If we are winning sure get him some records but what does it matter if he breaks the all time rushing record if we are not in the playoffs. I would rather have the win any day of the week and I want to see this kid run for 10+ years.
I thought we over used him last year considering we werent making the playoffs. It's his 2nd year, manage him so we can get the most out of him for when it matters. Personal records are great and all, winning is better.
This isn't a popular take, but do remember 1) the Giants were a bottom 3rd running team last year 2) Barkley was an inefficient receiver last year.
He's a fabulous player no doubt, but I'd much prefer a more efficient offense that makes a little "fewer" but better use of Barkley.
I hope the number of passes that go his way are way, way down. If those passes are going to WRs those yards go up. South of 8 yards a reception is not great.
There's a contingent that believes more yards for Barkley some how will define a good offense, I just don't see it.
He was 2nd in the league rushing, I bet if he stays healthy he leads the league in rushing.
With slot receivers by trade in Shepard and Tate, I bet his touches as a receiver go way down.
Don't quite get the "inefficient" take on SB's receiving, he is an excellent receiver out of the backfield which only adds to his effectiveness.
...what this means is that MOST of the time Barkley is handed the ball, it's 4+ yards. He will regularly get 5+. He will break 15+ twice a game, and expect at least one oh-my-God-he's-still-GOING per game.
100+ yard games will be the norm, 1 150+ per month, several 200+ yard games per year - and I'm ONLY talking about the running game.
Newer fans jaws are going to hit the floor. For the rest of us, God this is a long time coming.
This isn't a popular take, but do remember 1) the Giants were a bottom 3rd running team last year 2) Barkley was an inefficient receiver last year.
He's a fabulous player no doubt, but I'd much prefer a more efficient offense that makes a little "fewer" but better use of Barkley.
I hope the number of passes that go his way are way, way down. If those passes are going to WRs those yards go up. South of 8 yards a reception is not great.
There's a contingent that believes more yards for Barkley some how will define a good offense, I just don't see it.
He was 2nd in the league rushing, I bet if he stays healthy he leads the league in rushing.
With slot receivers by trade in Shepard and Tate, I bet his touches as a receiver go way down.
Too much of the Shurmur wco passes to the flats early on in the season like SB was whatshisname Ben Vereen. SB is impossible to tackle 1 on 1 in the middle of the field, but his agility is neutralized by the sideline.
It's best to run on 1st and 10 type situations withthr prospect of SB breaking a big play and pass on short yardage with SB running flat routes.
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I expect some people to understand that during game threads this year and others to, well not. There is a reason RB's fall off the cliff and a lot of that has to do with how they are managed, especially when it is clear they aren't resigning. It used to be running the ball meant more stats meant more money for the RB. Advanced stats are showing the opposite and Demarco Murray was a great example of that. Probably going to see a lot of RBs in contract years demand less carries and not more.
Yeah but Demarco Murray also made $25 million in his career. Barkley will make more for sure, but DM got a nice haul.
- Health
- WR BLOCKING
OL is improved, there are enough weapons to spread the ball around - defenses will be gunning for him HARD though.
Perhaps, but CJ was not the receiver SB is
Rather that happen, that is vis a vis the record, as long as it opens up the other parts of the O leading to wins
They didn’t stop him when OBJ was out last year. They may actually be better off and they won’t feel the need to force the ball to OBJ. We will see for sure one way or the other
How did he do in the last 4 games of last season?
- Health
- WR BLOCKING
OL is improved, there are enough weapons to spread the ball around - defenses will be gunning for him HARD though.
Outside Football ranked our open field blocking, which I believe is mainly attributable to our WRs and TEs, as the best in the league. To that we've added a top blocking WR in Golden Tate.
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will be loading up to stop Saquon even more than last season. But I think he’ll still take a run at it
How did he do in the last 4 games of last season?
Oh he crushed it, and I expect he will continue to do so. I just think the offense will see even more scheming to stop him - which should open things up for Engram and the WRs more in turn
He's a fabulous player no doubt, but I'd much prefer a more efficient offense that makes a little "fewer" but better use of Barkley.
I hope the number of passes that go his way are way, way down. If those passes are going to WRs those yards go up. South of 8 yards a reception is not great.
There's a contingent that believes more yards for Barkley some how will define a good offense, I just don't see it.
He was 2nd in the league rushing, I bet if he stays healthy he leads the league in rushing.
With slot receivers by trade in Shepard and Tate, I bet his touches as a receiver go way down.
It does seem that everything is lined up for him to have a huge year. This may be his best shot at it.
People tend to forget that at every level Barkley has played, opposing teams have been keying on him and loading up the box. It hasn't worked. Barkley is a unique talent. He will get his yards whether on the ground or in the air. He's been doing it his entire life.
The Titans also missed the playoffs the year Johnson got 2,500. So...what's the point?
By 2011 Johnson was a good back. No longer great
The Titans also missed the playoffs the year Johnson got 2,500. So...what's the point?
By 2011 Johnson was a good back. No longer great
Barkley has about 40 pounds on Johnson at the same age. He's far more built to last. Barkley is also the superior receiving back so if he were to do that, more of the yards would come through the air. Johnson that year carried the ball 100 more times than Barkley did this past year, there's no way his workload is increasing that much on the ground.
Now place Zeitler and Remmers or even Wheeler as he progressed throughout the season to go along with Hernandez and Solder with the winner at center between Halapio and Pulley. It will be the best OL that Saquon has ever enjoyed in his football career. I think we really have no idea of the ceiling he is capable of attaining. Another point of interest Saquon physical weight is on par with Earl Campbell with Barry Sanders athleticism and Chris Johnson speed. The sky is the limit for this amazing athlete.
This. If we are winning sure get him some records but what does it matter if he breaks the all time rushing record if we are not in the playoffs. I would rather have the win any day of the week and I want to see this kid run for 10+ years.
I thought we over used him last year considering we werent making the playoffs. It's his 2nd year, manage him so we can get the most out of him for when it matters. Personal records are great and all, winning is better.
He's a fabulous player no doubt, but I'd much prefer a more efficient offense that makes a little "fewer" but better use of Barkley.
I hope the number of passes that go his way are way, way down. If those passes are going to WRs those yards go up. South of 8 yards a reception is not great.
There's a contingent that believes more yards for Barkley some how will define a good offense, I just don't see it.
He was 2nd in the league rushing, I bet if he stays healthy he leads the league in rushing.
With slot receivers by trade in Shepard and Tate, I bet his touches as a receiver go way down.
Don't quite get the "inefficient" take on SB's receiving, he is an excellent receiver out of the backfield which only adds to his effectiveness.
100+ yard games will be the norm, 1 150+ per month, several 200+ yard games per year - and I'm ONLY talking about the running game.
Newer fans jaws are going to hit the floor. For the rest of us, God this is a long time coming.
His hands are AT LEAST as good as Sheppard and Tate's.
Downfield route running is the only area I haven't seen enough of to make a judgement on.
If the kid stays healthy, I don't think it's a matter of 'if' he gets the all time record, it's 'when'.
He's a fabulous player no doubt, but I'd much prefer a more efficient offense that makes a little "fewer" but better use of Barkley.
I hope the number of passes that go his way are way, way down. If those passes are going to WRs those yards go up. South of 8 yards a reception is not great.
There's a contingent that believes more yards for Barkley some how will define a good offense, I just don't see it.
He was 2nd in the league rushing, I bet if he stays healthy he leads the league in rushing.
With slot receivers by trade in Shepard and Tate, I bet his touches as a receiver go way down.
Too much of the Shurmur wco passes to the flats early on in the season like SB was whatshisname Ben Vereen. SB is impossible to tackle 1 on 1 in the middle of the field, but his agility is neutralized by the sideline.
It's best to run on 1st and 10 type situations withthr prospect of SB breaking a big play and pass on short yardage with SB running flat routes.
Steelers broke him? Refresh my memory please. He mostly played for the Titans. Did the Steelers tackle him viciously or something?
Yeah but Demarco Murray also made $25 million in his career. Barkley will make more for sure, but DM got a nice haul.