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Vic Fangio on training camp- how it's worse for fans

Matt in SGS : 7/18/2019 9:48 am
I saw this article from Vic Fangio, a long time NFL coach and now the head coach in Denver. He was asked about training camp and I think he's 100% spot on

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“I think it’s good to have the fans out there,” Fangio said. “The history of the NFL, you had to go to college campuses back in the day because [team] facilities didn’t look like this. When I first went to the Saints in the mid-80s, we had an 80-yard grass field. We had no cafeteria. Guys would go to a greasy deli for lunch right across the street.

“So you were forced to go to small college campuses to have your two-a-days because they had a cafeteria, because they had classrooms and because they had dorms to sleep in. A byproduct of that was fans would come and watch.

“I think one of the things - small thing - that has driven the NFL to it being the most popular sport in the country is that you let people come and watch practice, people that maybe can’t afford to go to the games and maybe get an autograph from a player, maybe a player shakes their hand or throws them a sweatband or a glove.

“You do that with a young person, you got a fan for life and football has a fan for life. There’s more to be gained out of that than any advertising slogan or any commercial that you put on TV.

“So I think it’s a good thing and I’ll embrace it, the players will embrace it. I wish there could be more [fans] here. But I think about half or less of the NFL teams now don’t go to college campuses and don’t have the wherewithal to have people at their facilities to watch practices, and I think it’s a little bit of a negative.”


As a fan who grew up in the 1980s and used to visit the Giants at Pace, FDU and then up in Albany there was some cool about being able to go to the camp and see the practices, see the players. I remember going to the camp in 1990 as a teenager and I had a little notebook that I got a bunch of players to sign (Hostetler, Walls, William Roberts). I remember walking over to the parking lot and seeing Dave Meggett almost hit a kid and stopped short and went out to check on him (this was well before we all realized was a scumbag Meggett was). Just spending a day at the camp and finding a spot on a hill to watch practice and then mingling with the players was great.

Now, like everything else, the NFL has taken away so much of the fan experience for this sterile system. The Giants, to their credit, are trying to be more accommodating, by making the tickets free with a sign up (there is limited room at Quest, so they can't just open it up, I get it). They still let the kids get autographs, though it's now a controlled atmosphere and you get a select group of players.

I suppose when your business grows into a multibillion dollar, international industry, this is what happens. But Fangio is 100% correct, camp isn't as fun anymore for the fans to watch and for those that can't afford tickets with kids, even less so.


https://sports.yahoo.com/broncos-vic-fangio-understands-the-value-in-keeping-training-camp-practices-open-to-public-213143664.html - ( New Window )
Albany  
antdog24 : 7/18/2019 9:55 am : link
was just an awesome day out. I really miss going up there and watching practice, hanging out with my friends, then going for food and drinks afterwards. I remember going to the mall there and seeing Kiwanuka in the music store, I think it was his rookie year, he was trying not to be noticed. lol Sucks that's gone now.
There was nothing better  
JonC : 7/18/2019 9:56 am : link
than getting the hell out of the NYC area for a few days, enjoying a drive up to Albany, and hanging out under the trees watching practices.
Matt  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/18/2019 9:57 am : link
Yeah, the vibe has really changed. Funny, I went to Pace, FDU, and Albany all probably at the same time you were there.
He is spot on  
Chris684 : 7/18/2019 10:00 am : link
I pretty much went to Albany every year from 2003 until they left. It was sort of an annual bonding trip for me and my old man as obviously there's not much else to do up there.

The memories I have of going to Albany in late summers to see the Giants practice are some of the best memories (not just football memories) I have in my life.

I guess I understood why they left, but I was still sad about it and I have not once tried to go to the Timex Center version of training camp even though it is obviously much closer. I haven't heard good things and honestly it wouldn't be the same anyway.
Really miss Albany  
BIG FRED 1973 : 7/18/2019 10:04 am : link
Had so much fun going up there for a Long Weekend ,The Saturday scrimmage after the first week was always fun especially when the JETS came up in 2004 and 2005 .Good Times
Fangio is spot on  
Ben in Tampa : 7/18/2019 10:06 am : link
I loved driving over to Albany with my dad to watch camp. Grateful for those experiences with him.
Matt  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/18/2019 10:13 am : link
which was the campus with all of the geese and the goose crap all over the paths? (Pace or FDU...I think it was FDU). I remember one of the players even talking about it in one of their post-Super Bowl books.
Used to go to Steeler's camp in the mid-late 70s  
rnargi : 7/18/2019 10:16 am : link
at St. Vincent' in Latrobe, PA...my dad's alma mater and where my parents met. You think it was cool in Albany the last several years there?

Back then, you literally sat on the hill right above the players on the field. No ropes, no security, nothing. You brought a sandwich and some 'pop' and hung out for the day with your friends. After practice, you could walk right up to the field and get autographs and talk to the players. They'd be lighting up smokes, cracking beers, etc.

Once we went to the local pizza hut at lunch time before heading to the field and sitting at a table eating pizza were Joe Greene, LC Greenwood, and a couple other guys...before pratice, lol...right next to everyone else. Different days.
Albany were great weekends....  
George from PA : 7/18/2019 10:19 am : link
My kids loved it....

Access to the players were great....

Unless something drastically change with Quest....I have zero interest.
First year up to Albany  
Chris684 : 7/18/2019 10:30 am : link
My Dad and I are wandering around the place trying to understand where everything is. Big Escalade pulled to the side of the curb and we stumble upon Strahan and Hammer unloading stuff out of the car in what we later learned was the players parking lot lol.

Another time, came across an old man wearing a floppy old bucket hat. It was Wellington and he was crossing from the locker rooms to where the indoor facility was (kind of where they used to set up the merchandise tents). Anyway, he thanked me for being a fan and signed my book. My Dad told me not to mention he is a Jets fan. Running into Wellington was cool for me but much cooler for a guy of my Dad's generation.

Tons of memories from seeing the different players. Ike Hilliard is still the most accommodating athlete I've ever seen when it came to signing and interacting with fans.

I remember in 05 seeing Jacobs for the first time and wondering how it was possible he was bigger than any of our d-lineman.

The highlight was getting to personally thank Accorsi for Eli the last time I was up there.
I remember  
BIG FRED 1973 : 7/18/2019 10:32 am : link
Summer of 92 when they were still @ FDU when i first got my drivers License we drove to FDU in the pouring rain only to find out practice was cancelled lmfao ,The highlight was getting sandwiches at one of the deli's there and driving around East Orange,NJ looking for Naughty By natures clothing store lol
RE: Matt  
Matt in SGS : 7/18/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14501305 Eric from BBI said:
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which was the campus with all of the geese and the goose crap all over the paths? (Pace or FDU...I think it was FDU). I remember one of the players even talking about it in one of their post-Super Bowl books.


I think it was actually Pace. If for nothing else, the 1986 Giants were at Pace and it was after Super Bowl XXI that they all wrote books. They didn't move over to FDU until I think 1989.
Training Camp  
TyreeHelmet : 7/18/2019 10:50 am : link
I still have a vivid memory of my dad bringing me to camp. I remember how nice Hostelter was to me and all my friends. Gave us a lot of time and couldn't be any more gracious. And Phil Simms was the opposite...

Fangio is spot on. Really great experience for fans.
I miss the Albany days  
beatrixkiddo : 7/18/2019 11:03 am : link
I have a rather ridiculous story of one day up there with my wife and her best friend that I’ll remember for a lifetime. Such a shame that is gone now.
I think they moved to Albany in 1996  
Rjanyg : 7/18/2019 11:06 am : link
My son was born in 1997 so he was able to see the Giants up close for most of his youth. Turned him into a huge Giants fan and football fan. He had picture taken with Eli and the Times Union news paper put it in the sports section. Strahan held him in his arms and gave a big gap toothed grin. Jesse Armstead also held my son then 3 years old for a picture. Sehorn signed so many things. Kurt Warner held my Daughter in he Giants cheer leader outfit.

Training camp was amazing. Now not so much.
my recollection is they did move to Albany in 1996  
JonC : 7/18/2019 11:08 am : link
I was living in Boston and drove over to check it out.
My first and last trip to Albany was when Eli got the BBI Award  
Canton : 7/18/2019 11:42 am : link
Fun times but it was the hottest day ever. I went to Timex in 2011. I actually liked it a bit better. I heard it's changed since then. So I don't know about now.

But what I loved most, was the Draft Day Parties, at the old stadium. Going on the field, into the lockerooms and see the gold plates of where LT and Simms sat, the player cafeteria and fan bar, meeting players for an autograph, a visit to the press box, our kids playing in the practice bubble, while Papa is interviewing Coughlin, vets, and past Giant players. Lastly, being able to touch the Lombardi Trophy and have Landetta let us wear his SB rings was a treat.

Those were the days..
I was at the  
twostepgiants : 7/18/2019 1:00 pm : link
FDU Camp when there was the Dave Brown/Kent Graham QB competition. Fortunately I got Strahan’s autograph. I went to Albany may times. i really miss that camp. This new one is not the same. You feel very removed from it rather than a part of it,
Great memories  
BigBluesman : 7/18/2019 1:16 pm : link
of waking up in the early hours with my father to get out to Albany and watch the practices. Kurt Warner took a picture with me. We saw Norman Hand at the Crossgates mall and talked a little bit. He said Coughlin wasn't that much tougher than other coaches on his players. Definitely added a lot to the fan experience!
Where was camp held...  
vonritz : 7/18/2019 1:19 pm : link
around 87-89? I know it was in NJ somewhere. That was the last time I went. I remember LT doing nothing but eating ice pops and cracking jokes all day.
As a kid, I saw Joe Namath/Jets practice at St. John's U. which was  
Marty in Albany : 7/18/2019 1:28 pm : link
only three blocks from my house in Queens. I watched the Giants at Pace, FDU, and of course at SUNY Albany.

I've traveled all over the world, but if given a choice, I'd pick two solid weeks at Albany training camp over my trip to Europe in September. (A hell of a lot cheaper, too!)
Went to FDU and Pace  
Bubba : 7/18/2019 1:34 pm : link
all the time. It was a great fan experience. I got to meet and speak with guys like Bavaro, LT, Carson etc.
Also don't get me started on how intense the practices were compared to now.

The fan experience is certainly waning today, IMO.
RE: RE: Matt  
Mcphedge : 7/18/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14501329 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 14501305 Eric from BBI said:


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which was the campus with all of the geese and the goose crap all over the paths? (Pace or FDU...I think it was FDU). I remember one of the players even talking about it in one of their post-Super Bowl books.



I think it was actually Pace. If for nothing else, the 1986 Giants were at Pace and it was after Super Bowl XXI that they all wrote books. They didn't move over to FDU until I think 1989.


If I recall correctly, it was Harry Carson (in his book Point of Attack) who commented about the "bird poop" all over the field at Pace.
Mcphedge  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/18/2019 2:36 pm : link
Thanks! Then as Matt said, it had to be Pace.
Grew up an hour or so north of Albany  
yupbjac27 : 7/18/2019 3:04 pm : link
we had season tickets and would drive 4 hours each way to the Meadowlands 8 Sunday's a year. It was nice to get to see them so close and only an hour away!

Also, went to Siena for college and there were a few time a certain Tight End used to make his way on to campus! Not for the football
One Camp at Albany,  
MBavaro : 7/18/2019 4:45 pm : link
I met Harry Carson and got his autograph, Had a long-range chat with TC as he was standing on the field waiting for the players to come out, and then saw Plax and Strahan eating separately at Buca's that night (didn't bother them) all in the same day.
I went to the Jets practice at Hofstra when Namath returned from  
Ivan15 : 7/18/2019 11:31 pm : link
his brief retirement. Big day.

Now I see him all over town and think nothing of it.
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