The cast is all very like-able. Miles Teller plays Goose's grown-up son. It looks like the flight scenes will pretty intense. Even if its's somewhat cheesy it should still be entertaining.
it seems more like they are just rehashing half the scenes & now have an excuse to reuse the props & consumes from back then. I 2 min we see his jacket, the bike, a piano bar scene, even a shot of spinning a volleyball football in the sunset
Tho yeah, even back then it was clearly a theater movie for the combat, flying...that part looks pretty cool
Just bring 'em all back lol. Esp Ironside, for the voice alone
prop bet, does the new 'iceman' do the in your face bite?
What acting. What a movie
Val Kilmer will be in it but probably just a cameo. He had a long battle with throat cancer that changed his voice quite a bit. There were reports that he was doing a lot better recently though.
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Just bring 'em all back lol. Esp Ironside, for the voice alone
prop bet, does the new 'iceman' do the in your face bite?
What acting. What a movie
Val Kilmer will be in it but probably just a cameo. He had a long battle with throat cancer that changed his voice quite a bit. There were reports that he was doing a lot better recently though.
Good to hear he's improved. Didn't know that, thanks
in Iron Eagle 37. And plan a foreign attack at Slappy's blues bar w/ the pepperoni & olives on his salad
As Spencer Davis Group wails through "Gimme Some Lovin"
I can't agree that Tom Cruise doesn't make bad movies. I will say, however, that Tom Cruise never mails in a performance. He never goes through the motions. You cast Tom Cruise in a movie, you will get TOM CRUISE in your movie. I admire his ability to throw himself 100% into even silly movies.
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Just bring 'em all back lol. Esp Ironside, for the voice alone
prop bet, does the new 'iceman' do the in your face bite?
What acting. What a movie
Val Kilmer will be in it but probably just a cameo. He had a long battle with throat cancer that changed his voice quite a bit. There were reports that he was doing a lot better recently though.
Good to hear he's improved. Didn't know that, thanks
The only guy at Top Gun who had the guts to stand up to Maverick and get under that skittish midget's skin. Without him, Maverick never bottoms out, doesn't get back in the game, and we'd all be speaking Russian now.
RE: Also funny I was wondering even in the orignal Â
iirc there was a general sense that air combat was a dying art, few had the experience. Now of course w/ drones it actually much less you'd think...
The line here was "only man to shoot down 3 planes in FORTY yrs." I feel like they should have gone w/ a bit more hyperbole there haha
I think they're going with more realism on this one; hence, them saying three planes is pretty dramatic since we haven't fought a sustained air to air warfare since the Korean War.
And there is currently no drone that can conduct air to air combat. Only drones capable of any form of offensive capabilities are all air to ground. We still need a tons of fighter pilots since retention in that community sucks.
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iirc there was a general sense that air combat was a dying art, few had the experience. Now of course w/ drones it actually much less you'd think...
The line here was "only man to shoot down 3 planes in FORTY yrs." I feel like they should have gone w/ a bit more hyperbole there haha
I think they're going with more realism on this one; hence, them saying three planes is pretty dramatic since we haven't fought a sustained air to air warfare since the Korean War.
And there is currently no drone that can conduct air to air combat. Only drones capable of any form of offensive capabilities are all air to ground. We still need a tons of fighter pilots since retention in that community sucks.
Fair enough, I know nothing on this so it's appreciated. I was hoping it would be more realistic, than 'fast & furious' or something
Any idea what fighters they fly? Tho they are not new (nor Navy?) I always wanted to see planes w/ the tech & mobility of raptors (for example) in a more realistic style movie. Obviously there must be much better tech now, but still
Fair enough, I know nothing on this so it's appreciated. I was hoping it would be more realistic, than 'fast & furious' or something
Any idea what fighters they fly? Tho they are not new (nor Navy?) I always wanted to see planes w/ the tech & mobility of raptors (for example) in a more realistic style movie. Obviously there must be much better tech now, but still
From what I can see, they were flying initially the F/A-18F Super Hornets, which is still the premiere fighter in the Navy since the F-35 has been a disaster. However, Cruise wearing some kind of a high altitude suit looks like he's testing some other aircraft...who knows, maybe that's part of the story.
than the current movie's F/A-18 Super Hornets, because they were about 350 mph faster and had swing-wings. It was also a two-seater so you had the buddy aspect to add to the movie drama.
Of course the Super Hornet is cool because it is more versatile as it is both a fighter and ground attack plane and as a single-seater, it's just the pilot alone against the enemy. So there's drama in that.
I believe that Tomcats were really expensive to maintain, so they were phased out and eventually replaced by the Hornets.
If they fly over Iran they might meet up with some F-14 Tomcats since the USA sold a bunch of them to Iran.
And they have some trouble keeping them in the air since they haven't been able to get replacement parts via legitimate means since 1979 and for the most part just cannibalized grounded ones. I think I've read they still have 40 in service but at any given time can get maybe 15-20 in the air.
to see this one. I’ll have to wait and find out if this one’s any better. UA reviews and buzz. I love the idea of the flying sequences, but if it’s anywhere near as cheesy and unrealistic as the first one, I’ll pass.
It didn't make me want to run out and see it any more. I knew going in I'm going to see it because the original was one of my favorite movies of the 80s. The trailer didn't make me feel all that nostalgic, but it also didn't make me not want to see it. It also didn't seem to be the story I expected, with Maverick being a Top Gun instructor or running the school. It's odd that he seems to still be an active fighter pilot at 55. For someone like that to still be a Captain he must really fuck up repeatedly. Why stay active then?
he didn't want promotion because he didn't want to leave the cockpit. Similar ideas found in the Star Trek franchise about leaving behind command of a ship.
he didn't want promotion because he didn't want to leave the cockpit. Similar ideas found in the Star Trek franchise about leaving behind command of a ship.
I thought the same. I guess we'll have to see the movie and find out. This movie has suck all over it, but I don't care one bit.
And they have some trouble keeping them in the air since they haven't been able to get replacement parts via legitimate means since 1979 and for the most part just cannibalized grounded ones. I think I've read they still have 40 in service but at any given time can get maybe 15-20 in the air.
Reminds me of the feature I saw in I think NYTimes in the early days of the uprising in Syria. They speculated that Assad would be quickly dispatched, showing the few dozen choppers and jets that the Syrian air force still had access to. It painted a picture of the air force's ineptitude, keeping their sanctions ravaged aircraft in the sky only with popsicle sticks and duct tape.
Well, they've proven just effective enough.
I'm not saying your analysis is bad. Only that it reminds me of a bad analysis I remember seeing.
Anyway, we're talking about TopGunMaverick.
It didn't make me want to run out and see it any more. I knew going in I'm going to see it because the original was one of my favorite movies of the 80s. The trailer didn't make me feel all that nostalgic, but it also didn't make me not want to see it. It also didn't seem to be the story I expected, with Maverick being a Top Gun instructor or running the school. It's odd that he seems to still be an active fighter pilot at 55. For someone like that to still be a Captain he must really fuck up repeatedly. Why stay active then?
Didn't you see the first one? It's in Pete Mitchell's blood. Lol. Actually that's what Harris' whole first bit is about. "It's one of life's mysteries, sir."
Also as I said b4 I feel like it might suck b/c of nostalgia (jacket, sunset volleyball / football, piano scenes). I find myself asking how many of the things below will be said or happen:
1. Tower Buzz
2. I'm gonna hit the brakes, he'll fly right by
3. Never leaving your wingman, if only to teach to someone else
4. "We were communicating. You know, giving him the bird?"
5. Has to mention Goose. Has to. HAS TO. Maybe via Meg Ryan cameo, if not a vague reference
The guy is riding the SAME DAMN MOTORCYCLE almost 35 yrs later. I mean, Craigslist must have something newer, better, affordable, no?
RE: RE: This trailer is not what I expected at all. Â
It didn't make me want to run out and see it any more. I knew going in I'm going to see it because the original was one of my favorite movies of the 80s. The trailer didn't make me feel all that nostalgic, but it also didn't make me not want to see it. It also didn't seem to be the story I expected, with Maverick being a Top Gun instructor or running the school. It's odd that he seems to still be an active fighter pilot at 55. For someone like that to still be a Captain he must really fuck up repeatedly. Why stay active then?
Didn't you see the first one? It's in Pete Mitchell's blood. Lol. Actually that's what Harris' whole first bit is about. "It's one of life's mysteries, sir."
Also as I said b4 I feel like it might suck b/c of nostalgia (jacket, sunset volleyball / football, piano scenes). I find myself asking how many of the things below will be said or happen:
1. Tower Buzz
2. I'm gonna hit the brakes, he'll fly right by
3. Never leaving your wingman, if only to teach to someone else
4. "We were communicating. You know, giving him the bird?"
5. Has to mention Goose. Has to. HAS TO. Maybe via Meg Ryan cameo, if not a vague reference
The guy is riding the SAME DAMN MOTORCYCLE almost 35 yrs later. I mean, Craigslist must have something newer, better, affordable, no?
I read Miles Teller is playing Goose's son, for that reference.
Look, I loved the original and of course Maverick the character. I get that it is who that character was for most of the movie. But, that movie ended with the impression he may have developed a little and was considering being an instructor.
There's many ways you can go from there to get him back to an active fighter pilot (maybe test pilot?). But, someone would have to try really hard to be stuck the way they depict this character. Would he really stick it out for 30 years like that?
I get stuck on stupid shit like this. You can suspend so much reality for movies to work, but then there is always one tiny thing that I have to get past to enjoy it.
than the current movie's F/A-18 Super Hornets
I believe that Tomcats were really expensive to maintain, so they were phased out and eventually replaced by the Hornets.
If they fly over Iran they might meet up with some F-14 Tomcats since the USA sold a bunch of them to Iran.
There is an F-14 Tomcat at the end of the trailer flying away from the camera. It made me tingle.
also the F/A-18F is a two seater
John Wayne was in a bunch of war movies. He played a different Â
I'd like to see Tom Cruise as a Navy Pilot, but as a different character with a different story. Sequels are seldom as good as the originals. They just make a lot of money.
My son-in-law is an MH-60R pilot and instructor and was on the ship they were filming on with Cruise and company. He said Cruise required that the sailors not only ignore his presence, but not even look at him. He said he was a real dick to all.
filmed some scenes in San Diego again which would be inaccurate if that is where Top Gun school still is in the movie since the real Top Gun school moved to NAS Fallon in Nevada in 1996.
filmed some scenes in San Diego again which would be inaccurate if that is where Top Gun school still is in the movie since the real Top Gun school moved to NAS Fallon in Nevada in 1996.
My son-in-law is an MH-60R pilot and instructor and was on the ship they were filming on with Cruise and company. He said Cruise required that the sailors not only ignore his presence, but not even look at him. He said he was a real dick to all.
Tom Cruise demanding that every sailor on the ship not look at him? I find myself questioning the veracity of this account. Cruise is a lunatic, but he is almost universally considered a nice guy to people with whom he interacts around film sets.
RE: RE: In the original movie they flew F-14 Tomcats which IMO were way cooler Â
than the current movie's F/A-18 Super Hornets
I believe that Tomcats were really expensive to maintain, so they were phased out and eventually replaced by the Hornets.
If they fly over Iran they might meet up with some F-14 Tomcats since the USA sold a bunch of them to Iran.
There is an F-14 Tomcat at the end of the trailer flying away from the camera. It made me tingle.
also the F/A-18F is a two seater
The aircraft they painted in Fallon for movie is an F.
My son-in-law is an MH-60R pilot and instructor and was on the ship they were filming on with Cruise and company. He said Cruise required that the sailors not only ignore his presence, but not even look at him. He said he was a real dick to all.
Tom Cruise demanding that every sailor on the ship not look at him? I find myself questioning the veracity of this account. Cruise is a lunatic, but he is almost universally considered a nice guy to people with whom he interacts around film sets.
According to this it may have been nothing more than some servicemen misinterpreting instructions for behavior on the set.
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UPDATE: US Navy officials responded to accusations of Tom Cruise’s alleged arrogance on set of Top Gun 2 and denied the claims.
“Tom Cruise and the cast were nothing but gracious and professional during filming to all of the sailors.”
A crew member who asked to remain anonymous previously told NBC 7 that Tom Cruise had allegedly asked servicemembers on USS Theodore Roosevelt not to look at him or touch him either. He said:
“He angered USS Theodore crew while filming [the ‘Top Gun’ sequel]”.
The crew member also said that Cruise’s behavior was:
“Very arrogant.”
The Navy official explained that “some sailors may have misinterpreted guidance from the Navy that told sailors to not approach actors while filming and not use cell phones on the set.”
The Navy official also assured that it “does not tolerate any disrespect to its members” and “wouldn’t allow” staff to be mistreated
but I wondered if it might have had something to do with misunderstanding either when they were on set, when he was prepping to go shoot, or even IF he was trying to remain 'in character' while on the boat (meaning, no stopping to sign autographs, or say hello, just business as if he were a sailor)
Again I'm just guessing but wouldn't be surprised this type of thing happens
Watched last night on Paramount channel in the hotel room and thought, this movie is so gay. So I googled “top gun gay movie” and apparently there’s a whole thing in just exactly how gay the movie really is. Google it, read it, then watch the movie. Totally gay movie. Nttawwt
I can't comprehend why a guy born in 1965 would avoid this movie his whole life.
As for the homoerotic thoughts ... whoever came up with that just has some things he's trying to work out for himself. Athletic guys at a beach do play beach volleyball without their shirts. Yeah, they're good looking guys. Some eye candy for the girls to swoon over in the slow motion scenes.
But it's only gay if that thought's already in your subconscious.
This is a thing that's kinda followed the movie. Â
Legitimate film critics have seen it that way, and even the movie's co-writer admits it can be taken that way.
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But is there more to it? Legendary US film critic Pauline Kael wrote in her review at the time, “the movie is a shiny homoerotic commercial: the pilots strut around the locker room, towels hanging precariously from their waists.”
And the camera certainly gazes longingly as the actors’ ripped bodies – the hilarious topless volleyball game (never mind the locker room scenes) is proof enough of that.
“We didn’t write it as that,” Jack Epps Jr, the movie’s co-writer, tells Yahoo. “[But] I see how you can interpret it that way.”
"Playin w/ the Boys" (ignoring the next scene is a date w/ the chick but well), this is nonsense
Dudes in a locker room is homoerotic? Real pro athletes smack each other's asses. Making jokes about hard ons? Even Archer or Family Guy do (like most regular guys). Actually it was sedate since they aren't wrestling, towel snapping, just talking...about flying if context matters
Not to mention every dude was in a relationship, chasing tail, even jokes about f-ing on the women's room counter, "take me to be or lose me forever." All that was homoerotic? That's a TON of movie time that completely contradicts the narrative really
Funniest part I know this gossip has been around for ages, how come there's never a mention of it being 'for the ladies?' A big name Hollywood movie, w/ a bunch of pretty boys in uniform? Esp in the 80s? Are they not half the market?
Doesn't bother me, I just find people's judgments so off base so often. Seems like nonsense or homophobia to me
One of things I’ve always thought about the, there’s zero chemistry between Cruise and McGillis. Anyway, if you watch the movie today, with the gay thing in mind, it’ll make the movie more interesting.
The fact that this movie has a gay undertone to some is hilarious. All of the points made about chasing women, flyover the admirals daughter, Meg Ryan saying Maverick gets all the girls,etc.etc.how in the he'll does this get twisted to be a movie with gay undertones. If anything, everything about the movie is spelled TESTOSTERONE.
distracted me right away that Cruise was flying without his flight gloves. That's a pretty big technical mistake. The rest of the movie is a complete stretch, because it took too long to make it to fit a 'real' storyline. There are zero 55 year old Navy Captains flying anything... and very few (if any) on active duty. Also, the high altitude (space suit) indicates he's flying something akin to the U2/SR-71. I'm interested to see how he transitions from the F/A-18 to something the Navy doesn't fly. Since this isn't a documentary, I'm going to try to watch and enjoy the story.
distracted me right away that Cruise was flying without his flight gloves. That's a pretty big technical mistake. The rest of the movie is a complete stretch, because it took too long to make it to fit a 'real' storyline. There are zero 55 year old Navy Captains flying anything... and very few (if any) on active duty. Also, the high altitude (space suit) indicates he's flying something akin to the U2/SR-71. I'm interested to see how he transitions from the F/A-18 to something the Navy doesn't fly. Since this isn't a documentary, I'm going to try to watch and enjoy the story.
Good post. Cruise looks good for 55. I’m 53 and still train w a lot of guys half my age. The drop in my performance from even 45 to know is what it is. Never mind all the minor injuries I keep getting is a reminder of the aging process. That the premise is he’s still flying is just silly. Zero chance there’s a 55 year old fighter pilot who is physically or mentally capable. Zero
This is a nostalgia money grab. Which is fine IMO. People want to see it and good for them. Don’t think I will but it jumped out at me right away the he was still flying was pretty funny.
distracted me right away that Cruise was flying without his flight gloves. That's a pretty big technical mistake. The rest of the movie is a complete stretch, because it took too long to make it to fit a 'real' storyline. There are zero 55 year old Navy Captains flying anything... and very few (if any) on active duty. Also, the high altitude (space suit) indicates he's flying something akin to the U2/SR-71. I'm interested to see how he transitions from the F/A-18 to something the Navy doesn't fly. Since this isn't a documentary, I'm going to try to watch and enjoy the story.
Good post. Cruise looks good for 55. I’m 53 and still train w a lot of guys half my age. The drop in my performance from even 45 to know is what it is. Never mind all the minor injuries I keep getting is a reminder of the aging process. That the premise is he’s still flying is just silly. Zero chance there’s a 55 year old fighter pilot who is physically or mentally capable. Zero
This is a nostalgia money grab. Which is fine IMO. People want to see it and good for them. Don’t think I will but it jumped out at me right away the he was still flying was pretty funny.
Due respect guys, you’re not wrong per se, but if realism is going to make or break the movie for you, you’re probably not going to like it.
Of course it’s silly, it’s a Tom Cruise vehicle with I’m sure a healthy dose of testosterone, forced nostalgia, silly one liners, a bad love story, lots of cool action sequences enhanced by modern special effects. and no doubt a good measure of the homoeroticism some guys seem to have a sharp radar for.
Realistic portrayal of military operations and how air combat works may be in short supply, however.
distracted me right away that Cruise was flying without his flight gloves. That's a pretty big technical mistake. The rest of the movie is a complete stretch, because it took too long to make it to fit a 'real' storyline. There are zero 55 year old Navy Captains flying anything... and very few (if any) on active duty. Also, the high altitude (space suit) indicates he's flying something akin to the U2/SR-71. I'm interested to see how he transitions from the F/A-18 to something the Navy doesn't fly. Since this isn't a documentary, I'm going to try to watch and enjoy the story.
Good post. Cruise looks good for 55. I’m 53 and still train w a lot of guys half my age. The drop in my performance from even 45 to know is what it is. Never mind all the minor injuries I keep getting is a reminder of the aging process. That the premise is he’s still flying is just silly. Zero chance there’s a 55 year old fighter pilot who is physically or mentally capable. Zero
This is a nostalgia money grab. Which is fine IMO. People want to see it and good for them. Don’t think I will but it jumped out at me right away the he was still flying was pretty funny.
Due respect guys, you’re not wrong per se, but if realism is going to make or break the movie for you, you’re probably not going to like it.
Of course it’s silly, it’s a Tom Cruise vehicle with I’m sure a healthy dose of testosterone, forced nostalgia, silly one liners, a bad love story, lots of cool action sequences enhanced by modern special effects. and no doubt a good measure of the homoeroticism some guys seem to have a sharp radar for.
Realistic portrayal of military operations and how air combat works may be in short supply, however.
It’s why you put in my second part. If millions can watch Dany fly on her dragon why can’t old fart Tommy Get into a dog fight? It’s what I call
Brain candy. Escapism. I’ve done BJJ and MMA for years. I loved Warrior w Tom Hardy. The fight scenes were impossible. As Are are the John Wick ones.
But my first thought was there’s zero chance the airforce is letting a guy that old fly a billion dollar asset.
nor how bad this one will likely be
I def prefer Connolly to McGills. For obvious reasons
prop bet, does the new 'iceman' do the in your face bite?
What acting. What a movie
Tho yeah, even back then it was clearly a theater movie for the combat, flying...that part looks pretty cool
The line here was "only man to shoot down 3 planes in FORTY yrs." I feel like they should have gone w/ a bit more hyperbole there haha
prop bet, does the new 'iceman' do the in your face bite?
What acting. What a movie
Val Kilmer will be in it but probably just a cameo. He had a long battle with throat cancer that changed his voice quite a bit. There were reports that he was doing a lot better recently though.
yes, obviously joking. Freaking all these dudes look of course look plenty old
Otherwise I'd be asking for the bald commander / principal from Back to the Future too
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Just bring 'em all back lol. Esp Ironside, for the voice alone
prop bet, does the new 'iceman' do the in your face bite?
What acting. What a movie
Val Kilmer will be in it but probably just a cameo. He had a long battle with throat cancer that changed his voice quite a bit. There were reports that he was doing a lot better recently though.
Good to hear he's improved. Didn't know that, thanks
As Spencer Davis Group wails through "Gimme Some Lovin"
I can't agree that Tom Cruise doesn't make bad movies. I will say, however, that Tom Cruise never mails in a performance. He never goes through the motions. You cast Tom Cruise in a movie, you will get TOM CRUISE in your movie. I admire his ability to throw himself 100% into even silly movies.
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Just bring 'em all back lol. Esp Ironside, for the voice alone
prop bet, does the new 'iceman' do the in your face bite?
What acting. What a movie
Val Kilmer will be in it but probably just a cameo. He had a long battle with throat cancer that changed his voice quite a bit. There were reports that he was doing a lot better recently though.
Good to hear he's improved. Didn't know that, thanks
+2. Best wishes to him.
James Tolkan! I actually looked it up, he's older than Skerritt but only by 3 years, 88 vs 85.
Marty McFly was right, he never was young. Serpico came out in 1973 and he looked identical in that one to how he looked in BTTF.
prop bet, does the new 'iceman' do the in your face bite?
What acting. What a movie
Kilmer is in it. He's in rough shape due to the throat cancer.
The line here was "only man to shoot down 3 planes in FORTY yrs." I feel like they should have gone w/ a bit more hyperbole there haha
I think they're going with more realism on this one; hence, them saying three planes is pretty dramatic since we haven't fought a sustained air to air warfare since the Korean War.
And there is currently no drone that can conduct air to air combat. Only drones capable of any form of offensive capabilities are all air to ground. We still need a tons of fighter pilots since retention in that community sucks.
I gotta do something here, I sti, I sti, I still can't believe it. You 2 charachters are going to TOP GUN - ( New Window )
Damn you! I wanted to "rubber dog shit" this thread!
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iirc there was a general sense that air combat was a dying art, few had the experience. Now of course w/ drones it actually much less you'd think...
The line here was "only man to shoot down 3 planes in FORTY yrs." I feel like they should have gone w/ a bit more hyperbole there haha
I think they're going with more realism on this one; hence, them saying three planes is pretty dramatic since we haven't fought a sustained air to air warfare since the Korean War.
And there is currently no drone that can conduct air to air combat. Only drones capable of any form of offensive capabilities are all air to ground. We still need a tons of fighter pilots since retention in that community sucks.
Fair enough, I know nothing on this so it's appreciated. I was hoping it would be more realistic, than 'fast & furious' or something
Any idea what fighters they fly? Tho they are not new (nor Navy?) I always wanted to see planes w/ the tech & mobility of raptors (for example) in a more realistic style movie. Obviously there must be much better tech now, but still
Any idea what fighters they fly? Tho they are not new (nor Navy?) I always wanted to see planes w/ the tech & mobility of raptors (for example) in a more realistic style movie. Obviously there must be much better tech now, but still
From what I can see, they were flying initially the F/A-18F Super Hornets, which is still the premiere fighter in the Navy since the F-35 has been a disaster. However, Cruise wearing some kind of a high altitude suit looks like he's testing some other aircraft...who knows, maybe that's part of the story.
the other time walking across a tar mac (I think that's what it's called.)
RIGHT?
Of course the Super Hornet is cool because it is more versatile as it is both a fighter and ground attack plane and as a single-seater, it's just the pilot alone against the enemy. So there's drama in that.
I believe that Tomcats were really expensive to maintain, so they were phased out and eventually replaced by the Hornets.
If they fly over Iran they might meet up with some F-14 Tomcats since the USA sold a bunch of them to Iran.
A dream come true
A dream come true
Where have YOU been, your damn thread lol
Reminds me of the feature I saw in I think NYTimes in the early days of the uprising in Syria. They speculated that Assad would be quickly dispatched, showing the few dozen choppers and jets that the Syrian air force still had access to. It painted a picture of the air force's ineptitude, keeping their sanctions ravaged aircraft in the sky only with popsicle sticks and duct tape.
Well, they've proven just effective enough.
I'm not saying your analysis is bad. Only that it reminds me of a bad analysis I remember seeing.
Anyway, we're talking about TopGunMaverick.
Didn't you see the first one? It's in Pete Mitchell's blood. Lol. Actually that's what Harris' whole first bit is about. "It's one of life's mysteries, sir."
Also as I said b4 I feel like it might suck b/c of nostalgia (jacket, sunset volleyball / football, piano scenes). I find myself asking how many of the things below will be said or happen:
1. Tower Buzz
2. I'm gonna hit the brakes, he'll fly right by
3. Never leaving your wingman, if only to teach to someone else
4. "We were communicating. You know, giving him the bird?"
5. Has to mention Goose. Has to. HAS TO. Maybe via Meg Ryan cameo, if not a vague reference
The guy is riding the SAME DAMN MOTORCYCLE almost 35 yrs later. I mean, Craigslist must have something newer, better, affordable, no?
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It didn't make me want to run out and see it any more. I knew going in I'm going to see it because the original was one of my favorite movies of the 80s. The trailer didn't make me feel all that nostalgic, but it also didn't make me not want to see it. It also didn't seem to be the story I expected, with Maverick being a Top Gun instructor or running the school. It's odd that he seems to still be an active fighter pilot at 55. For someone like that to still be a Captain he must really fuck up repeatedly. Why stay active then?
Didn't you see the first one? It's in Pete Mitchell's blood. Lol. Actually that's what Harris' whole first bit is about. "It's one of life's mysteries, sir."
Also as I said b4 I feel like it might suck b/c of nostalgia (jacket, sunset volleyball / football, piano scenes). I find myself asking how many of the things below will be said or happen:
1. Tower Buzz
2. I'm gonna hit the brakes, he'll fly right by
3. Never leaving your wingman, if only to teach to someone else
4. "We were communicating. You know, giving him the bird?"
5. Has to mention Goose. Has to. HAS TO. Maybe via Meg Ryan cameo, if not a vague reference
The guy is riding the SAME DAMN MOTORCYCLE almost 35 yrs later. I mean, Craigslist must have something newer, better, affordable, no?
Look, I loved the original and of course Maverick the character. I get that it is who that character was for most of the movie. But, that movie ended with the impression he may have developed a little and was considering being an instructor.
There's many ways you can go from there to get him back to an active fighter pilot (maybe test pilot?). But, someone would have to try really hard to be stuck the way they depict this character. Would he really stick it out for 30 years like that?
Then again I do that a shitload too
I'm all in to see this. I have low expectations for the actual quality of the story, but high expectations for my enjoyment level.
Then again I do that a shitload too
I believe that Tomcats were really expensive to maintain, so they were phased out and eventually replaced by the Hornets.
If they fly over Iran they might meet up with some F-14 Tomcats since the USA sold a bunch of them to Iran.
There is an F-14 Tomcat at the end of the trailer flying away from the camera. It made me tingle.
also the F/A-18F is a two seater
I'd like to see Tom Cruise as a Navy Pilot, but as a different character with a different story. Sequels are seldom as good as the originals. They just make a lot of money.
The vast majority top out at 05. Captain isn't easy to come by. But a 30+ year service record and just a Captain is falling a bit short.
My son-in-law is an MH-60R pilot and instructor and was on the ship they were filming on with Cruise and company. He said Cruise required that the sailors not only ignore his presence, but not even look at him. He said he was a real dick to all.
Also, Tom Cruise is not a Navy pilot
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My son-in-law is an MH-60R pilot and instructor and was on the ship they were filming on with Cruise and company. He said Cruise required that the sailors not only ignore his presence, but not even look at him. He said he was a real dick to all.
Tom Cruise demanding that every sailor on the ship not look at him? I find myself questioning the veracity of this account. Cruise is a lunatic, but he is almost universally considered a nice guy to people with whom he interacts around film sets.
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than the current movie's F/A-18 Super Hornets
I believe that Tomcats were really expensive to maintain, so they were phased out and eventually replaced by the Hornets.
If they fly over Iran they might meet up with some F-14 Tomcats since the USA sold a bunch of them to Iran.
There is an F-14 Tomcat at the end of the trailer flying away from the camera. It made me tingle.
also the F/A-18F is a two seater
The aircraft they painted in Fallon for movie is an F.
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And Cruise is a fucking loon, but he’s still perfect for this kind of movie
I dunno. Whichever the fuck those crazies believe is bad. That’s the one I mean.
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Fucker makes some good movies, though.
My son-in-law is an MH-60R pilot and instructor and was on the ship they were filming on with Cruise and company. He said Cruise required that the sailors not only ignore his presence, but not even look at him. He said he was a real dick to all.
Tom Cruise demanding that every sailor on the ship not look at him? I find myself questioning the veracity of this account. Cruise is a lunatic, but he is almost universally considered a nice guy to people with whom he interacts around film sets.
According to this it may have been nothing more than some servicemen misinterpreting instructions for behavior on the set.
“Tom Cruise and the cast were nothing but gracious and professional during filming to all of the sailors.”
A crew member who asked to remain anonymous previously told NBC 7 that Tom Cruise had allegedly asked servicemembers on USS Theodore Roosevelt not to look at him or touch him either. He said:
“He angered USS Theodore crew while filming [the ‘Top Gun’ sequel]”.
The crew member also said that Cruise’s behavior was:
“Very arrogant.”
The Navy official explained that “some sailors may have misinterpreted guidance from the Navy that told sailors to not approach actors while filming and not use cell phones on the set.”
The Navy official also assured that it “does not tolerate any disrespect to its members” and “wouldn’t allow” staff to be mistreated
Link - ( New Window )
Can not argue with either of those statements.
Again I'm just guessing but wouldn't be surprised this type of thing happens
You missed a masterpiece of homoeroticism. Top Gun is gayer than 2 men having sex.
It’s interesting how some people really focus on the perceived homoeroticism huh.
NTTAWWT
As for the homoerotic thoughts ... whoever came up with that just has some things he's trying to work out for himself. Athletic guys at a beach do play beach volleyball without their shirts. Yeah, they're good looking guys. Some eye candy for the girls to swoon over in the slow motion scenes.
But it's only gay if that thought's already in your subconscious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7IgwDqJhno
Writers have taken it as a talking point
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/how-did-top-gun-become-so-gay/
https://consequenceofsound.net/2016/05/top-gun-and-the-end-of-the-homoerotic-action-movie/
Legitimate film critics have seen it that way, and even the movie's co-writer admits it can be taken that way.
And the camera certainly gazes longingly as the actors’ ripped bodies – the hilarious topless volleyball game (never mind the locker room scenes) is proof enough of that.
“We didn’t write it as that,” Jack Epps Jr, the movie’s co-writer, tells Yahoo. “[But] I see how you can interpret it that way.”
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/top-gun-is-it-really-gay-134449518.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEVR5bbmT34_d78WFk6Zzjls6dLmyVmc--xhM1TCuDKYKkhjNF3h8utZIUIGj0LIjYPQ0um_TMXDmDHRhWsJVS4k-QjfPSy2xp4ByASd_t45q9t3Iv_3jICdYHMbmBH7NS-LiRg0LkxG-8G5eLHcGfcErXDWwKftO5-FJmbIlj3J
And SNL has hit on it a few times, so it's not totally unheard of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b6Whj5zNc&feature=youtu.be
"This gives me a hard on."
"Don't tease me."
Note that the second line was not delivered by a woman!
"This gives me a hard on."
"Don't tease me."
Note that the second line was not delivered by a woman!
Really?? If you’ve never said anything to your buddies like that joking around then I’d argue you probably don’t have any real friends
Dudes in a locker room is homoerotic? Real pro athletes smack each other's asses. Making jokes about hard ons? Even Archer or Family Guy do (like most regular guys). Actually it was sedate since they aren't wrestling, towel snapping, just talking...about flying if context matters
Not to mention every dude was in a relationship, chasing tail, even jokes about f-ing on the women's room counter, "take me to be or lose me forever." All that was homoerotic? That's a TON of movie time that completely contradicts the narrative really
Funniest part I know this gossip has been around for ages, how come there's never a mention of it being 'for the ladies?' A big name Hollywood movie, w/ a bunch of pretty boys in uniform? Esp in the 80s? Are they not half the market?
Doesn't bother me, I just find people's judgments so off base so often. Seems like nonsense or homophobia to me
One of things I’ve always thought about the, there’s zero chemistry between Cruise and McGillis. Anyway, if you watch the movie today, with the gay thing in mind, it’ll make the movie more interesting.
Good post. Cruise looks good for 55. I’m 53 and still train w a lot of guys half my age. The drop in my performance from even 45 to know is what it is. Never mind all the minor injuries I keep getting is a reminder of the aging process. That the premise is he’s still flying is just silly. Zero chance there’s a 55 year old fighter pilot who is physically or mentally capable. Zero
This is a nostalgia money grab. Which is fine IMO. People want to see it and good for them. Don’t think I will but it jumped out at me right away the he was still flying was pretty funny.
"This gives me a hard on."
"Don't tease me."
Note that the second line was not delivered by a woman!
This is pretty funny because homoerotic humor and banter are pretty prevalent in the military, even in the hardcore special operations community.
Not arguing that Top Gun isn't popular with that demographic (I mean it is the Navy after all)...NTTAWWT
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distracted me right away that Cruise was flying without his flight gloves. That's a pretty big technical mistake. The rest of the movie is a complete stretch, because it took too long to make it to fit a 'real' storyline. There are zero 55 year old Navy Captains flying anything... and very few (if any) on active duty. Also, the high altitude (space suit) indicates he's flying something akin to the U2/SR-71. I'm interested to see how he transitions from the F/A-18 to something the Navy doesn't fly. Since this isn't a documentary, I'm going to try to watch and enjoy the story.
Good post. Cruise looks good for 55. I’m 53 and still train w a lot of guys half my age. The drop in my performance from even 45 to know is what it is. Never mind all the minor injuries I keep getting is a reminder of the aging process. That the premise is he’s still flying is just silly. Zero chance there’s a 55 year old fighter pilot who is physically or mentally capable. Zero
This is a nostalgia money grab. Which is fine IMO. People want to see it and good for them. Don’t think I will but it jumped out at me right away the he was still flying was pretty funny.
Due respect guys, you’re not wrong per se, but if realism is going to make or break the movie for you, you’re probably not going to like it.
Of course it’s silly, it’s a Tom Cruise vehicle with I’m sure a healthy dose of testosterone, forced nostalgia, silly one liners, a bad love story, lots of cool action sequences enhanced by modern special effects. and no doubt a good measure of the homoeroticism some guys seem to have a sharp radar for.
Realistic portrayal of military operations and how air combat works may be in short supply, however.
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distracted me right away that Cruise was flying without his flight gloves. That's a pretty big technical mistake. The rest of the movie is a complete stretch, because it took too long to make it to fit a 'real' storyline. There are zero 55 year old Navy Captains flying anything... and very few (if any) on active duty. Also, the high altitude (space suit) indicates he's flying something akin to the U2/SR-71. I'm interested to see how he transitions from the F/A-18 to something the Navy doesn't fly. Since this isn't a documentary, I'm going to try to watch and enjoy the story.
Good post. Cruise looks good for 55. I’m 53 and still train w a lot of guys half my age. The drop in my performance from even 45 to know is what it is. Never mind all the minor injuries I keep getting is a reminder of the aging process. That the premise is he’s still flying is just silly. Zero chance there’s a 55 year old fighter pilot who is physically or mentally capable. Zero
This is a nostalgia money grab. Which is fine IMO. People want to see it and good for them. Don’t think I will but it jumped out at me right away the he was still flying was pretty funny.
Due respect guys, you’re not wrong per se, but if realism is going to make or break the movie for you, you’re probably not going to like it.
Of course it’s silly, it’s a Tom Cruise vehicle with I’m sure a healthy dose of testosterone, forced nostalgia, silly one liners, a bad love story, lots of cool action sequences enhanced by modern special effects. and no doubt a good measure of the homoeroticism some guys seem to have a sharp radar for.
Realistic portrayal of military operations and how air combat works may be in short supply, however.
It’s why you put in my second part. If millions can watch Dany fly on her dragon why can’t old fart Tommy Get into a dog fight? It’s what I call
Brain candy. Escapism. I’ve done BJJ and MMA for years. I loved Warrior w Tom Hardy. The fight scenes were impossible. As Are are the John Wick ones.
But my first thought was there’s zero chance the airforce is letting a guy that old fly a billion dollar asset.