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So what are your expectations going into this season?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/18/2019 6:13 pm
Playoffs? 6-7ish wins? Eli's last stand? The beginning of the Jones era?

I'm not sure how I feel, but this season should be interesting, if nothing else.
I have an odd feeling that 9-7 or 10-6 with a wildcard is coming  
Bockman : 7/18/2019 6:17 pm : link
I don't think our division is that good and I think we're a better team than last year. Not a "good" team, but better.
Schedule for NFC East is on the easier side....  
George from PA : 7/18/2019 6:19 pm : link
So I expect more wins then others might, but so will the Cowboys and Eagles.

So making playoff, will be tough ...unless, we figure out how to beat those guys.
Maybe 5 wins  
Default : 7/18/2019 6:24 pm : link
probably 3 or 4.
This season reminds me of the 2007 season  
Captplanet : 7/18/2019 6:29 pm : link
going into training camp, the Giants best player(Tiki) had recently retired(Beckham trade). There was no faith in the coaching staff, QB, GM.... New DC with a bunch of new players. There were so many moving parts and changes that it was tough to say what would happen. I was excited about the season, but I knew if Coughlin had a bad season, the giants would be looking at a total rebuild(Jones era begins). New offensive focus, since Tiki was gone.

So if this offense plays better without Beckham, and the new Def players gel quickly. I'm not saying this team is going to the Superbowl, but if everything falls into place, I can see them going 10-6... If not then, I could see them going 6-10.
Like many on BBI  
GmeninPSL : 7/18/2019 6:31 pm : link
I'm in a horrific sports team rut! These past three seasons have just been so bad for my favorite 3 sports teams;
Giant seasons have typically been over by Halloween
Met seasons have been over by Memorial Day
Ranger seasons have been over by MLK day
so right now I'm suffering from losers attitude! Until something good actually happens to one of my teams, I have ZERO faith! I really have no clue what the expectations are but they are quite low. Low enough that I'm not even getting the NFL ticket this year.

Hopefully I'll be surprised and the rut will be over!!
Last place schedule?  
madgiantscow009 : 7/18/2019 6:34 pm : link
I'd rather play the schedule at full strength so there are no excuses.
Best OL in 10 years  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/18/2019 6:46 pm : link
Barkley is a better player to than OBJ. Somehow the Pats. An win without an diva whiny WR. 6-10 to 10-6. Injuries and breaks.

arcarsenal : 7/18/2019 6:58 pm : link
I just want to see a better football team. Less bullshit.

To me, 2020 has always been the spot where I think - depending on our QB situation - the roster should be good enough to really compete for the NFCE.

We're not quite there yet. But, there are ways this team could arrive a little early and surprise people.

But we need to learn about Jones and the only way I'm okay with him not starting is if Eli is winning. And by winning, I don't mean win one, lose one, win one, lose one all year long. We need to be productive on offense and he needs to be playing a part in that.

If he's not, Jones has to be in there. Not when we're "mathematically out"

I want to see Giants football and be a tough team to play against.

Predicting a record just feels pointless because of all the variables that pop up throughout the season. It's throwing a dart blindfolded. But I think this team is going in a better direction now.

If we're still kicking around and are in the mix come December, I'll be satisfied.
4-6 wins  
The_Boss : 7/18/2019 6:59 pm : link
My guess is 7-9 wins. But, with all the changes that have been made,  
Ira : 7/18/2019 7:00 pm : link
I could see it being either better or worse.
Me thinks Bettcher and the defense hold the keys.  
Spider56 : 7/18/2019 7:02 pm : link
The offense is going to control the clock and score but the new guys on the defense need to grow together and grow up fast. I think 8-9 wins is a reasonable expectation, maybe 10 at best.
5-7 wins  
Nine-Tails : 7/18/2019 7:05 pm : link
I think the team is gonna start slow out the gates, with Jones coming in later in the year. This will energize the team and see a nice second half run.
Not even bothering making expectations for wins.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/18/2019 7:08 pm : link
I expect the defense to be better, but how could it not when they couldn't cover anyone last season due to lack of talent in secondary?

As for the offense, I'm extremely skeptical of the whole "Eli had a good last 4 games without Odell" talking point. I need to see if the Giants can run the ball better when everyone expects them to and if Eli can produce against teams that pay little respect to the passing game.

Honestly, I'm just hoping the positives about Daniel Jones continue and we all feel good about him going into next offseason.
I want to see  
dep026 : 7/18/2019 7:14 pm : link
Hill, Carter, Peppers, Baker, Lawrence to show they can be legit players.

I want Shepard to take a big step forward and Engram to be a top 3 receiving TE. I want Barkley to improve and for the OL to Ben legit.

If those things happen... I dont care if we win 0 or the SB. Because thats a successful season.
Six Wins  
looie : 7/18/2019 7:22 pm : link
Too many new faces. Will take a long while for things to jell. 2nd half (4-4) will be better than 1st 2-6). Next year, perhaps a wild card.
RE: Six Wins  
AcidTest : 7/18/2019 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14501775 looie said:
Too many new faces. Will take a long while for things to jell. 2nd half (4-4) will be better than 1st 2-6). Next year, perhaps a wild card.

^This, although I'm slightly more optimistic, so I'll say 7-8 wins.
7 to 9 wins  
Red Dog : 7/18/2019 7:53 pm : link
and maybe a playoff berth, but no farther. Overall a tentative start, but the team gains momentum as it comes together during the season.

Eli starts all year, puts up good numbers, and we only see Jones in a mop-up role, if at all. The OL is much improved. Barkley cements his position as one of the most dynamic offensive threats in the league. Tate has a big year. So do Engram and Sterling Shepard. And somebody else steps up and does a good job as the 3rd WR. Somebody important gets hurt, but somebody else will play well enough to keep it from being a major disaster. One of the rookies really surprises in a good way. But red zone / goal line problems remain and an excessive number of turn-overs cost them at least one game.

The defense starts slow but improves each week, and by the end of the season is playing pretty well in general. Some of the young guys and newcomers step up as pass rushers, but somebody else that they are counting on either gets hurt or is a big bust, and their overall pass rush remains average at best. The run defense continues erratic, and somebody runs the ball down their throat all day costing them a game that they should have won. The DBs, particularly Peppers, are better than most believe they will be, but an early mistake or two will cost them big. The LBs remain a serious weakness in both coverage and run stopping, and that does cost them a game or two.

Special teams are generally a strength, but they don't win any games due to them.

Coaching is solid but don't expect anything really brilliant like you'd occasionally see from Tuna or Little Bill.

And the zebras cost them a game somewhere somehow as NFL officiating continues to be inconsistent and pretty slipshod.

I don't even think about it until I watch the preseason games  
Marty in Albany : 7/18/2019 7:55 pm : link
Certain things can't be known or even estimated. Our record can't be predicted until our pads hit other folks' pads.
7 - 9 wins and  
Karl Hungus : 7/18/2019 8:43 pm : link
7 - 9 beers per game

Oh yeah, and to get swept by the goddamn Eagles.
I think we are going to see a similar  
Matt in SGS : 7/18/2019 9:12 pm : link
scenario as 2004. Eli will start and the Giants schedule is not that hard out the gate. I think the Giants will start off "quick" for them recently, ie- they will go 2-1 or 3-1. But then they will start to stumble. And with a short leash on Eli for the first time in his career, I think the Giants will pull the plug on him and put Jones in at QB sometime after the Patriots game.

Jones will look like a rookie, up/down and by later in the season, will show promise ahead of 2020. All in all, I see them at 6-10 or 7-9.
We are the team that everyone has penciled in as a win  
justafan : 7/18/2019 9:24 pm : link
Just remember that. Of course, teams surprise every year. Looking at the schedule though I see this:

@Cowboys: L 0-1
Bills: W 1-1
@Tampa: W 2-1
Wash: W 3-1
Vikes: W 4-1
@Pats: L 4-2
Cards: W 5-2
@Lions: L 5-3
Dallas: W 6-3
@Jets: L 6-4

BYE: Here is where the wheels come off after a dumb loss to the Jets, BBI implodes as the Giants had 2 weeks to prepare for Chicago and lose again. Followed up by a loss to a resurgent Packers and since we can't beat Philly, the flogging continues.

@Bears: L 6-5
Pack: L 6-6
@Philly: L 6-7

Daniel Jones Era begins: Below 500% and all but eliminated from the playoffs the Giants decide to give Jones the start at home and let him finish the season. He manages the game to victor but the Giants close out the season with losses in the division.

Miami: W 7-7
@Wash: L 7-8
Philly: L 7-9

We improve wins by a bit, defense makes some steps forward, and the offense looks better with an improved offensive line. However, the Giants lack of QB pressure and an aging QB cost them a few wins that would have put them in the dance.
we dont have much depth  
djm : 7/18/2019 10:30 pm : link
But then again most teams lack depth. One thing weve seen is when the OL doesnt block and theres no running game, Eli is in trouble, which means the offense would be in trouble. As last year progressed the OL got a little better along with the running game. Eli and The offense followed suit. I see no reason to think the offense will be worse than last year. I see reasons why it could be even better. Beckham is getting way too much attention. The giants can produce without him now much more so than they could from 14-17. Much better equipped. Hes also been adequately replaced, this doesnt get enough attention. The OL has finally turned a corner both from within and thanks to the addition of Zeitler. Eli is completely overstated, over analyzed and over regurgitated from just about everyone. Hes the least of our worries. Hes a pro. He wont elevate things if they are broken all around him but He also wont hold this offense back. Jones will wait unless the team has a bad record by late October. I dont see it.

The D is young but theres talent. What it lacks is depth and any real LB presence in the middle. I think edge rusher isnt really a problem at all. Carter is a player on the rise. Golden is a pro. Its the other LBs that bother me. Ogletree shouldnt be your best inside LB. Hes ok but thats really all there is. Secondary and DL are so interesting. Fascinating really. As they go.... we shall see. I see a potentially fun team. Usually teams like this need to win a few early get some juice going some karma... why not. Theres talent all over the roster, dont let the lazy writers fool you, but it has to win games first. I think its a better more prepared team than last year this time and the schedule appears to be more manageable. Thats a recipe for more wins.

'So what are your expectations going into this season?'...  
Torrag : 7/19/2019 1:30 am : link
Improvement. Both by the players and the coaching staff. As long as we get that I'll be satisfied this season.

This was always going to take three years to field a roster capable of contending for a championship. Reese and Ross left the cupboard bare and a fractured culture. That takes time to repair.
Not much...  
trueblueinpw : 7/19/2019 1:54 am : link
More talent than maybe we think. Not sold on the coaching staff, yet. But I think this is going to be an easier team to watch loose. If that makes sense.
I expect more  
santacruzom : 7/19/2019 2:54 am : link
Questionable coaching. I'd love to be wrong, but I've a bad feeling I won't be.
9 win season  
montanagiant : 7/19/2019 3:24 am : link
And a competitive team
christian : 7/19/2019 3:43 am : link
I'm very low on the offense.

The offensive line wasn't bad at all down the stretch last year, and personally I think it's better but nowhere as good as many think.

I don't think the gap between Zeitler and Brown is as huge as often stated. Zeitler is good, but he's not a great player, and I think Remmers' health is a big wild card.

I think the WR talent is very thin, and Tate and Shepard are extremely similar, slot receivers.

I don't believe Manning was an innocent victim of bad surroundings, I think his arm is not what it once was, and his pocket presence is frankly bad.

Barkley is a great, great player. But last year showed you can have a RB who nearly lead the league in rushing and still be a bad rushing team.
I learned a long time ago to never have any  
David B. : 7/19/2019 4:17 am : link
Why bother? They won the last two SBs on years I didn't expect them to -- especially on 07. And on years I expected them to be good, they crumbled.

In some ways, this is the best time of they year because no one is hurt yet, and they haven't disappointed yet.

What I'd LIKE to see is for them to be entertaining, and competitive enough to keep Jones on the bench.

I'd like them to be PRODUCTIVE on offense and hopefully /i]competent[/i] on defense. I hate when they have trouble scoring points (TDs). I'd be fine with them winning a bunch of games 35-30, know that they'll also be losing some similarly.

Above all, I WANT to see Eli play well behind the improved OL. Have a great season, shove it down his critics throats, and earn another year. I don't care how long Jones sits.

But I don't count on anything and have no expectations.
I expect younger players and draft picks to get better  
Jimmy Googs : 7/19/2019 5:17 am : link
and older players to get worse. Unlikely too many surprises.

And I expect more losses than wins...
Competitive team on the upswing  
Rick in Dallas : 7/19/2019 5:36 am : link
Who plays hard for their HC Shurmur. Maybe 6-8 wins.
Eli plays the whole year  
MTinPNW : 7/19/2019 5:59 am : link
Jones gets in on a few plays. (RPO,decoy)
Barkley puts up 2400 combined
Defense improves over the season
My expectations are to be more  
joeinpa : 7/19/2019 6:52 am : link
Concerned about wins than draft status in December.

Having the next franchise quarterback on the roster, makes every game meaningful regardless of record, just like Eli s rookie season.
i want to see a developing football team  
markky : 7/19/2019 7:50 am : link
where we're talking about football instead of soap opera drama. so sick of the attention being on behavior rather than performance.

that said I think this team has some good players on it and we should expect more wins than last year. with so many new players we'll see how good this coaching staff is.

sign me up for 8-9 wins this year.
Just Be Competitive Every Week/Development of Young Players  
Rong5611 : 7/19/2019 8:11 am : link
Just want them to be competitive and not a door mat. And, I want to have fun watching the games. With a few breaks, they can be .500 this year, I think.

Most importantly, I want our core of young players to gain experience/skill and position ourselves for 2020 (if they are really bad early, Jones needs to play). We will have a ton of cap space to build a roster around them next year. We need to be in position to truly compete for the division next year and take the Cowboys and Eagles down.

This would be a decent season all things considered - likely a best case scenario.

@Cowboys: L 0-1
Bills: W 1-1
@Tampa: L 1-2
Wash: W 2-2
Vikes: L 2-3
@Pats: L 2-4
Cards: W 3-4
@Lions: W 4-4
Dallas: L 4-5
@Jets: L 4-6
@Bears: L 4-7
Pack: W 5-7 (Eli saves his job)
@Philly: L 5-8
Miami: W 6-8 (Does Jones take over at this point? Maybe.)
@Wash: W 7-8
Philly: W 8-8 (Philly sits starters (Wentz), Giants squeak out a win. Eli's last game, carried off the field by the team. Emotional win. Something to build on)

Somewhere between 6-10 and 9-7, depending on  
mfsd : 7/19/2019 8:17 am : link
Our defenses ability to hold some late leads. Id lean toward 7-9, but this team could sneak up on some people

The schedule is in our favor bc no west coast trips...our longest road trips are Dallas, Chicago, Detroit

Meaningful football games after Halloween  
aimrocky : 7/19/2019 8:25 am : link
We havent had that in a long time.
I expect the Jones era to begin  
Rudy5757 : 7/19/2019 9:23 am : link
I want to see the Giants go into the season with just 2 QBs. Tanney and Lauletta need to go. Show some faith that Jones is ready and have him as the #2. I will be very disappointed if we carry more than 2 QBs. No one is picking up the other guys so they will be available if needed.

I expect much improved OL play. There is no excuse. With improved OL play I expect that the O will be more consistent which will have a positive impact on the rest of the team. I expect that Engram is more of a focal point of the O. Hopefully he can stay healthy.

On D its all gonna come down to pass rush. I actually think we will be better than last year. Golden is the key, he should be fully healed and be able to put pressure on the QB. We just need pressure. The LBs are same old same old, I think we will continue to struggle against TEs. I am very excited about the secondary. I think we definitely upgraded and will see improvement week in and week out. Peppers will shine and Baker will look great by mid season.

If I had to guess I would say 7-9 and 8-8 and possibly a glimmer of hope for the playoffs. We'll see a lot of great things happen to set up 2020. We have so many young players we are counting on that inconsistency is bound to hold us back a little.
So many negative wildcards, live by SB - die by SB for example  
Bob in Newburgh : 7/19/2019 11:07 am : link
Positives - as a group these receivers are better than given credit for. It is really difficult to shut down multiple #2s on the field at the same time. And I consider GT, SS, and EE to be legitimate floor #2 receivers. Throw in SB as a broken tackle TD on a dump waiting to happen, and we can score enough to win.

Realistic possibility that Carter and Golden can each provide low double digit sacks in 2019. I have little doubt that the final back group that Bettcher settles on will be able to cover, so maybe we get off the field with some regularity.

16-0 Baby!  
Scyber : 7/19/2019 11:13 am : link
Same expectations as every year! Wooooo!
x meadowlander : 7/19/2019 11:22 am : link
...there is a LOT of optimism heading into this season and I believe that at least initially, that offense is going to give defenses fits.

But this team's Achilles heel is depth. As injuries mount, units will invariably fail.

OL first - Tackle and Center - who's comfortable with Wheeler starting? Pulley at Center?

DL is great, until you lose one of the big 3.

And God forbid if Barkley is hurt.

I'll go so far as to say a 4-2 or 5-2 start, but beyond that is anybody's guess.

If they somehow stay healthy, I will say a 10-6 season is quite possible. But I don't bank on health anymore.
I want Eli to have a great last season  
Giants in 07 : 7/19/2019 11:34 am : link
But I also want Jones to get some play so we can hit the ground running next season with a legitimate shot at going deep in the playoffs, which I think with another year of roster building is possible.

The first four games decide the season. If they are 1-3 or 0-4, I think Jones has to play the rest of the way
RE: I don't even think about it until I watch the preseason games  
River Mike : 7/19/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14501795 Marty in Albany said:
Certain things can't be known or even estimated. Our record can't be predicted until our pads hit other folks' pads.

Wait, Wait! I thought pre-season games were meaningless!
Actually I've always thought pre=season games have meaning not for the won/loss record (that IS meaningless), but for individual and unit performance. I watch all the Giants pre-season games that are available
this site really needs  
V.I.G. : 7/19/2019 11:57 am : link
auditable polls
Like inexpensive wine  
BillyM : 7/19/2019 12:56 pm : link
there is a real shitty 10 bottle of red out there. And there are a few real gems in the same range. Equally, not all seasons and records are created equal.

To that, I think we will be the "gem" of a 10 bottle. We will still have a ceiling on us of about 7-8 wins, but there will be enough positive ingredients to the teams's progression that it will provide optimism for the future, provide evidence that the rebuild is taking form.

i expect 8-8 with Jones coming in game 5  
GMAN4LIFE : 7/19/2019 1:00 pm : link
browns 6-9 and turmoil already
Measurable improvement.  
rnargi : 7/19/2019 1:17 pm : link
RE: i expect 8-8 with Jones coming in game 5  
Big Blue '56 : 7/19/2019 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14502346 GMAN4LIFE said:
browns 6-9 and turmoil already

They should have at least allowed the Browns to play one more game. 😎
11 and 5  
fireitup77 : 7/19/2019 1:34 pm : link
RE: 7 to 9 wins  
bigfish703 : 7/19/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14501794 Red Dog said:
[quote] and maybe a playoff berth, but no farther. Overall a tentative start, but the team gains momentum as it comes together during the season.

A little bit of this, a little bit of that. A minus for every plus.
Come on. Take a chance before training camp even opens. How about 8-7-1? Optimisim is good fo the kishkish.
Eli gets released in the final round of cuts  
Lambuth_Special : 7/19/2019 1:40 pm : link
An improved Lauletta along with Jones motivates the Giants to enter the season with two rookie contract QBs in a cap-friendly maneuver.

Both split time and are not very good, the Giants go 3-13 and DG and Shurmur are fired.

Because cutting Eli again created such a clusterf%ck, Mara engages in another special executive search to help steer the franchise back in the right direction. He ultimately hires a consultant to help lead this search, someone who has a past history with the Giants and success winning superbowls: Jerry Reese.

After conducting his search, Reese decides he is the right candidate for the GM vacancy.
This childish obsession with the Browns is laughable  
Greg from LI : 7/19/2019 1:41 pm : link
Anyway, if they win more than six games, I'll be shocked.
In all seriousness  
Lambuth_Special : 7/19/2019 1:48 pm : link
Rookie defensive players aren't that good, no matter how talented they are. This team is going to have a lot of rookie defenders and 2nd year players.

The offense should be good on paper, but then again, that was the case for last year's offense. Some improvements to the OL could bring Eli's performance to around league average, but I don't think it will be enough to overcome flaws in the rest of the team.

5-7 wins, Jones starts the final five games.
I think seven wins at best  
bceagle05 : 7/19/2019 1:50 pm : link
and they'll try to sell it as progress. It's all about Jones and a strong draft/FA next offseason.
Expectations aside  
cjac : 7/19/2019 2:03 pm : link
if they dont go at least 8-8 i will have zero faith that Shurmur will ever be a winning football coach
4-12, 6-10 at best  
Route 9 : 7/19/2019 2:05 pm : link
This team sucks.

Dallas and Philly are solid, so no way they stand a chance competing with them. Depth chart is laughable.

Not exaggerating but this is the season I'm not hyped up at all to get here. Maybe another high pick away from being a contender.
I would like to see some meaningful football in Nov, Dec  
Jim in Forest Hills : 7/19/2019 2:05 pm : link
maybe fighting for a wildcard spot. I want the games to matter and not just about draft slotting.
RE: In all seriousness  
cjac : 7/19/2019 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14502403 Lambuth_Special said:
Rookie defensive players aren't that good, no matter how talented they are.

What are you saying? Rookies on the defensive side of the ball are never that good?

did you watch and Colts or Dallas games last year?
RE: 4-12, 6-10 at best  
arcarsenal : 7/19/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14502424 Route 9 said:
This team sucks.

Dallas and Philly are solid, so no way they stand a chance competing with them. Depth chart is laughable.

Not exaggerating but this is the season I'm not hyped up at all to get here. Maybe another high pick away from being a contender.

Regardless of wins and losses, I still think the prospect of the upcoming season is exciting.

We have a new QB here - for the first time, one who is expected to actually replace Eli.

I have no idea if he's going to be great, terrible, somewhere in between... but there are two ways this season can go.

Either we win a bunch of games with Eli (unlikely, but not impossible) and the Daniel Jones era is put on hold - or, we're not getting it done and Jones takes the reigns and we can watch him develop.

I expect it to be a lot like 2004 ---> 2005.

We obviously didn't go anywhere in 2004, but all of those late season games were worth watching to see Eli and how he'd progress from week to week.

Then, in 2005, we were a pretty solid team.

I think the same thing will apply here. This 2019-20 team will be average, but the 2020 team should see Jones starting Week 1 with some experience under his belt, a better offensive line, and a team that - depending on his level of play - can complete for this division and the playoffs.
arcarsenal : 7/19/2019 2:13 pm : link
And honestly - Saquon himself made me feel like I couldn't miss an offensive snap all of last year. No matter what week it was.

NYG winning is more important to me than Barkley highlights. But, the man is just incredible and has generational abilities. That's worth the price of admission. (Well, virtual admission... fuck going to MetLife...)
Route 9 : 7/19/2019 2:20 pm : link
I do not think anything will ever again compare to the excitement of the 2005 off-season. That March the Giants got Plaxico, I was a senior in high school and was spent my youthful days of my life away wishing the approaching season would come.

This 2019 season might match that intensity, just in the opposite position. 2005 had draft picks in Tuck, Jacobs and Webster, free agents with Pierce, Plaxico, McKenzie etc.

I'd like to see a push rush built sometime soon and a pure pass rushing stud, defensive end would be a good start.

So...2019 with Shurmur and old Eli starting games... meh... Hope Jones is starting week 1.
If we can do a better job of controlling the line of scrimmage..  
EricJ : 7/19/2019 2:21 pm : link
then we will win more than last year falling short of making the playoffs
RE: .  
Route 9 : 7/19/2019 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14502433 arcarsenal said:
And honestly - Saquon himself made me feel like I couldn't miss an offensive snap all of last year. No matter what week it was.

NYG winning is more important to me than Barkley highlights. But, the man is just incredible and has generational abilities. That's worth the price of admission. (Well, virtual admission... fuck going to MetLife...)

Once they had that fart game in Philly I was way too annoyed to follow that much. I picked a 1-7 start last year.

Just curious, where are all these touchdowns and points going to come from? Plus that defense isn't good enough to carry them to the playoffs.

Tate? Shep? Elis legs? Can Engram play all 16?

I think they can move the ball but will woefully settle for FGs all year long.

I understand Barkley is getting majority of the workload (duh) but it would be nice to see some production from the second back, more than what we saw in 2018 is what I am alluding to.

Hope that I am wrong, unlike last year.
arcarsenal : 7/19/2019 5:36 pm : link
I'm not terribly concerned about the Giants scoring points.

They were league average last year. They really weren't bad at all. Not great, but nothing like the year prior where the offense was just absolutely pathetic.

Beckham probably wasn't 100% most of last year and then missed the final month of the season. So, it's not even like we lost the 2016 version that played the full slate.

I think Shurmur is a much better offensive coach than McAdoo was.

Tate isn't Beckham, but he's a really tough dude, he's excellent after the catch and he's extremely productive. He won't make the highlight reel plays the same way and won't put up peak Odell numbers, but he's good for 90/1000/8 if you ask me.

I think the offensive line is going to be better. Zeitler is a very big upgrade. Hernandez started getting comfortable as last year wore on. Remmers should be a solid stopgap @ RT and I think Solder will hopefully get off to a better start this year.

So much of it is going to be the QB - so that makes the NYG offense hard to project. Will it be Eli? Jones? How soon? We just don't know.

The biggest question defensively is going to be pass rush. We desperately need guys like Carter and OX to get to the QB. Can Golden return to form?

I like our secondary - I think we're really going to like Peppers. He's versatile and play a lot of roles. I think Bettcher will use him as a bit of a moneybacker - you could see him in the slot as a CB in some situations, and he can also play some more traditional safety.

I also think Bethea has more gas left in the tank than people realize. He reminds me of Deon Grant in terms of where he's at in his career, when he's coming here, etc. I believe he played about 99% of the SF snaps defensively last year. He's old, but he's still got it.

I'm cautiously optimistic. I think ultimately, the Giants will be an "average" ish team in 2019-20. But an ascending one that I expect to be better in 2020-21.

I don't think this is a bad football team or a shitty one.

2017... that was a truly putrid football team.

This isn't going to be that.
Compete for the 6 seed  
Sean : 7/19/2019 7:47 pm : link
I expect them to practice hard and play harder.  
Klaatu : 7/20/2019 7:20 am : link
I expect a team with this much youth to make its share of mistakes. How many of those mistakes will be fatal remains to be seen.

I expect that if the offensive line has indeed been upgraded, the team will be competitive throughout the year.
Im guessing 7 wins, and Jones starting around week 11.  
yatqb : 7/20/2019 9:59 am : link
One more offseason of growth and were back in the playoffs.
I can't get a read on this team, or how good they might be.  
BigBlueBuff : 7/20/2019 10:03 am : link
I want to believe that the offensive line rebuild is worth a couple more wins, so I'll say between 6-8 wins.

As much as I love Eli Manning, 8-8 without really getting a chance to see Daniel Jones would be the worst possible outcome for this season. I'm not sure 10-6 and a first round exit with Eli at the helm isn't also a bad result.
RE: In all seriousness  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/20/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14502403 Lambuth_Special said:
Rookie defensive players aren't that good, no matter how talented they are. This team is going to have a lot of rookie defenders and 2nd year players.

The offense should be good on paper, but then again, that was the case for last year's offense. Some improvements to the OL could bring Eli's performance to around league average, but I don't think it will be enough to overcome flaws in the rest of the team.

5-7 wins, Jones starts the final five games.

Hmmm. The closest comparisons I have to Deandre Baker and Dexter Lawrence are Mark Collins and Barry Cofield, though I expect Baker and Lawrence (both first round selections) to be somewhat better than Collins and Cofield were.

Both Collins and Cofield started and played well as rookies, albeit with a lot more talent surrounding them on those historic Giants' defenses.

IE "rookie defenders aren't good" is malarkey.

I hope for a 3-1 first 4 games or else bench Eli  
NephilimGiants : 7/20/2019 11:50 am : link
Im getting hyped for preseason games
Route 9 : 7/20/2019 2:12 pm : link
How low of a bar is being superior to the 2017 team though? Shurmur better than McAdoo? Uh... OK.

I do not have the stats ready but weren't there 4 TDs scored by the defense in the second half of the season? INTs returned thrown by Chase Daniel, Ryan Fitzpatrick and the mighty Mark Sanchez. Maybe it was 3. They also got blanked for the 700th time in the last 10 years, by Tennessee at home. I was at that waste of a time game.

Fine, last year is in the garbage but man Shurmur needs to really impress me in order to make me forget about his mistakes in last year's Philly game.

I get none of these guys seeing the field are Odell Beckham but I hardly ever think about him. He's gone. I couldn't give a fuck about Cleveland. I'm done with him and the same goes for Eli Manning after the Philly 2017 home game.

Who I do care about ... is Philly and Dallas. Every podcast that is based in those two cities are dismissing the Giants already and for the first time ever, I agree with them and have absolutely zero incentive for proving them wrong. I'm so fucking tired of losing to Philly and now they're making a bad habit out of looking inferior to Dallas as well.

This rebuild is going to take some time. This season will be a wash.
Just see what direction they go  
micky : 7/20/2019 7:46 pm : link
Expect a lot of losses mixed in with few surprise w's

But, question is when will (if) give Jones a legit shot?
If your outlook is generally positive, optimistic...  
Klaatu : 7/21/2019 7:05 am : link
Then your expectations will be optimistic, too, and vice versa. Although I'm usually in the optimistic camp, I think it's prudent to adopt a "wait and see" attitude this year. For one thing, we don't even have a team, yet. Sure, we can pencil in most of the starters and backups, but it seems like there's always a surprise cut or two after camp, as well as a player who sticks after being written off early on, not to mention the possibility of signing a free agent cut from another team.

Once we do have a team, it's still going to be loaded with questions. QB, O-Line, DB's, pass-rush, etc., etc. The biggest question, though, for me anyway, is can this team stay healthy? No one can predict that, but no one can predict it for the opposition, either. Injuries may wear heavier on a team like the Giants (who have little or no quality depth), and less so on a team like the Eagles (half of their backups could probably start here), but the odds are that healthier teams win and injury-plagued teams don't. So if the Giants can stay relatively healthy, they can at least remain competitive.
Im less optimistic now...  
NephilimGiants : 7/21/2019 11:12 am : link
After seeing videos of the front 7 Bears have we look like a high school team.
stay healthy and everything falls right  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 9:13 pm : link
wild card not impossible.

last few years they said "team will go as far as the offensive line takes them" think they have patched that hole fairly well (keeping an eye on RT though).

this year - I would apply that theory to the linebacking corps - as the LB corps goes so goes the team. if they can generate pass rush and fill the rushing lanes - lot of reason for optimism. think that will happen but a lot of young players which probbaly means lot of growing pains especially early on.

cornerbacks are young too but a good pass rush can help them out - a lot. and they finally have an adult back there telling them what to do
most likely double digit losses  
.McL. : 7/23/2019 2:58 am : link

As others, arc in particular have pointed out, 2020 is the season where the Giants should be competing for the playoffs. And the key this year is to see marked improvement. Particularly on the OL.

While I like the direction our secondary is going in, right now, I don't really like our secondary. Bethea is ancient. Jenkins is getting up there, and he seems to be declining a bit. We haven't seen him return to 2016 form over the past 2 years. Peppers should be decent. After that its the youth movement. The #2 - #5 CB will be either a 2nd year guy or a rookie. Mistakes will be made. And if Jenkins, Bethea, or Peppers gets hurt, then we will have to rely on another inexperienced player. The youth movement will pay dividends down the line, but growing pains will likely be the order of the day in 2019.

I am looking for the young pups in the secondary to be making solid contributions by the last 1/4 of the season

The pass rush is a big question mark. So I expect the defense to struggle.

I am looking for Carter, Ximies or Golden to establish themselves as legitimate pass rush threat.

The OL has at least 40% new players and will need time to gel. So expect them to struggle the first 4 to 6 games.

I am looking for the OL to start looking like an above average unit by the last 1/4 of the season.

I would like to see if Shepard and Engram can really establish themselves as threats.

I also want Jones to get at least 4 games worth of meaningful experience.

So just because I don't foresee many wins, doesn't mean there is nothing to see from the the upcoming season.
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