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So what are your expectations going into this season?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/18/2019 6:13 pm
Playoffs? 6-7ish wins? Eli's last stand? The beginning of the Jones era?

I'm not sure how I feel, but this season should be interesting, if nothing else.
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This childish obsession with the Browns is laughable  
Greg from LI : 7/19/2019 1:41 pm : link
Anyway, if they win more than six games, I'll be shocked.
In all seriousness  
Lambuth_Special : 7/19/2019 1:48 pm : link
Rookie defensive players aren't that good, no matter how talented they are. This team is going to have a lot of rookie defenders and 2nd year players.

The offense should be good on paper, but then again, that was the case for last year's offense. Some improvements to the OL could bring Eli's performance to around league average, but I don't think it will be enough to overcome flaws in the rest of the team.

5-7 wins, Jones starts the final five games.
I think seven wins at best  
bceagle05 : 7/19/2019 1:50 pm : link
and they'll try to sell it as progress. It's all about Jones and a strong draft/FA next offseason.
Expectations aside  
cjac : 7/19/2019 2:03 pm : link
if they dont go at least 8-8 i will have zero faith that Shurmur will ever be a winning football coach
4-12, 6-10 at best  
Route 9 : 7/19/2019 2:05 pm : link
This team sucks.

Dallas and Philly are solid, so no way they stand a chance competing with them. Depth chart is laughable.

Not exaggerating but this is the season I'm not hyped up at all to get here. Maybe another high pick away from being a contender.
I would like to see some meaningful football in Nov, Dec  
Jim in Forest Hills : 7/19/2019 2:05 pm : link
maybe fighting for a wildcard spot. I want the games to matter and not just about draft slotting.
RE: In all seriousness  
cjac : 7/19/2019 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14502403 Lambuth_Special said:
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Rookie defensive players aren't that good, no matter how talented they are.


What are you saying? Rookies on the defensive side of the ball are never that good?

did you watch and Colts or Dallas games last year?
RE: 4-12, 6-10 at best  
arcarsenal : 7/19/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14502424 Route 9 said:
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This team sucks.

Dallas and Philly are solid, so no way they stand a chance competing with them. Depth chart is laughable.

Not exaggerating but this is the season I'm not hyped up at all to get here. Maybe another high pick away from being a contender.


Regardless of wins and losses, I still think the prospect of the upcoming season is exciting.

We have a new QB here - for the first time, one who is expected to actually replace Eli.

I have no idea if he's going to be great, terrible, somewhere in between... but there are two ways this season can go.

Either we win a bunch of games with Eli (unlikely, but not impossible) and the Daniel Jones era is put on hold - or, we're not getting it done and Jones takes the reigns and we can watch him develop.

I expect it to be a lot like 2004 ---> 2005.

We obviously didn't go anywhere in 2004, but all of those late season games were worth watching to see Eli and how he'd progress from week to week.

Then, in 2005, we were a pretty solid team.

I think the same thing will apply here. This 2019-20 team will be average, but the 2020 team should see Jones starting Week 1 with some experience under his belt, a better offensive line, and a team that - depending on his level of play - can complete for this division and the playoffs.
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arcarsenal : 7/19/2019 2:13 pm : link
And honestly - Saquon himself made me feel like I couldn't miss an offensive snap all of last year. No matter what week it was.

NYG winning is more important to me than Barkley highlights. But, the man is just incredible and has generational abilities. That's worth the price of admission. (Well, virtual admission... fuck going to MetLife...)
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Route 9 : 7/19/2019 2:20 pm : link
I do not think anything will ever again compare to the excitement of the 2005 off-season. That March the Giants got Plaxico, I was a senior in high school and was spent my youthful days of my life away wishing the approaching season would come.

This 2019 season might match that intensity, just in the opposite position. 2005 had draft picks in Tuck, Jacobs and Webster, free agents with Pierce, Plaxico, McKenzie etc.

I'd like to see a push rush built sometime soon and a pure pass rushing stud, defensive end would be a good start.

So...2019 with Shurmur and old Eli starting games... meh... Hope Jones is starting week 1.
If we can do a better job of controlling the line of scrimmage..  
EricJ : 7/19/2019 2:21 pm : link
then we will win more than last year falling short of making the playoffs
RE: .  
Route 9 : 7/19/2019 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14502433 arcarsenal said:
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And honestly - Saquon himself made me feel like I couldn't miss an offensive snap all of last year. No matter what week it was.

NYG winning is more important to me than Barkley highlights. But, the man is just incredible and has generational abilities. That's worth the price of admission. (Well, virtual admission... fuck going to MetLife...)

Once they had that fart game in Philly I was way too annoyed to follow that much. I picked a 1-7 start last year.

Just curious, where are all these touchdowns and points going to come from? Plus that defense isn't good enough to carry them to the playoffs.

Tate? Shep? Elis legs? Can Engram play all 16?

I think they can move the ball but will woefully settle for FGs all year long.

I understand Barkley is getting majority of the workload (duh) but it would be nice to see some production from the second back, more than what we saw in 2018 is what I am alluding to.

Hope that I am wrong, unlike last year.
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arcarsenal : 7/19/2019 5:36 pm : link
I'm not terribly concerned about the Giants scoring points.

They were league average last year. They really weren't bad at all. Not great, but nothing like the year prior where the offense was just absolutely pathetic.

Beckham probably wasn't 100% most of last year and then missed the final month of the season. So, it's not even like we lost the 2016 version that played the full slate.

I think Shurmur is a much better offensive coach than McAdoo was.

Tate isn't Beckham, but he's a really tough dude, he's excellent after the catch and he's extremely productive. He won't make the highlight reel plays the same way and won't put up peak Odell numbers, but he's good for 90/1000/8 if you ask me.

I think the offensive line is going to be better. Zeitler is a very big upgrade. Hernandez started getting comfortable as last year wore on. Remmers should be a solid stopgap @ RT and I think Solder will hopefully get off to a better start this year.

So much of it is going to be the QB - so that makes the NYG offense hard to project. Will it be Eli? Jones? How soon? We just don't know.

The biggest question defensively is going to be pass rush. We desperately need guys like Carter and OX to get to the QB. Can Golden return to form?

I like our secondary - I think we're really going to like Peppers. He's versatile and play a lot of roles. I think Bettcher will use him as a bit of a moneybacker - you could see him in the slot as a CB in some situations, and he can also play some more traditional safety.

I also think Bethea has more gas left in the tank than people realize. He reminds me of Deon Grant in terms of where he's at in his career, when he's coming here, etc. I believe he played about 99% of the SF snaps defensively last year. He's old, but he's still got it.

I'm cautiously optimistic. I think ultimately, the Giants will be an "average" ish team in 2019-20. But an ascending one that I expect to be better in 2020-21.

I don't think this is a bad football team or a shitty one.

2017... that was a truly putrid football team.

This isn't going to be that.
Compete for the 6 seed  
Sean : 7/19/2019 7:47 pm : link
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I expect them to practice hard and play harder.  
Klaatu : 7/20/2019 7:20 am : link
I expect a team with this much youth to make its share of mistakes. How many of those mistakes will be fatal remains to be seen.

I expect that if the offensive line has indeed been upgraded, the team will be competitive throughout the year.
Im guessing 7 wins, and Jones starting around week 11.  
yatqb : 7/20/2019 9:59 am : link
One more offseason of growth and were back in the playoffs.
I can't get a read on this team, or how good they might be.  
BigBlueBuff : 7/20/2019 10:03 am : link
I want to believe that the offensive line rebuild is worth a couple more wins, so I'll say between 6-8 wins.

As much as I love Eli Manning, 8-8 without really getting a chance to see Daniel Jones would be the worst possible outcome for this season. I'm not sure 10-6 and a first round exit with Eli at the helm isn't also a bad result.
RE: In all seriousness  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/20/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14502403 Lambuth_Special said:
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Rookie defensive players aren't that good, no matter how talented they are. This team is going to have a lot of rookie defenders and 2nd year players.

The offense should be good on paper, but then again, that was the case for last year's offense. Some improvements to the OL could bring Eli's performance to around league average, but I don't think it will be enough to overcome flaws in the rest of the team.

5-7 wins, Jones starts the final five games.


Hmmm. The closest comparisons I have to Deandre Baker and Dexter Lawrence are Mark Collins and Barry Cofield, though I expect Baker and Lawrence (both first round selections) to be somewhat better than Collins and Cofield were.

Both Collins and Cofield started and played well as rookies, albeit with a lot more talent surrounding them on those historic Giants' defenses.

IE "rookie defenders aren't good" is malarkey.

I hope for a 3-1 first 4 games or else bench Eli  
NephilimGiants : 7/20/2019 11:50 am : link
Im getting hyped for preseason games
Arc  
Route 9 : 7/20/2019 2:12 pm : link
How low of a bar is being superior to the 2017 team though? Shurmur better than McAdoo? Uh... OK.

I do not have the stats ready but weren't there 4 TDs scored by the defense in the second half of the season? INTs returned thrown by Chase Daniel, Ryan Fitzpatrick and the mighty Mark Sanchez. Maybe it was 3. They also got blanked for the 700th time in the last 10 years, by Tennessee at home. I was at that waste of a time game.

Fine, last year is in the garbage but man Shurmur needs to really impress me in order to make me forget about his mistakes in last year's Philly game.

I get none of these guys seeing the field are Odell Beckham but I hardly ever think about him. He's gone. I couldn't give a fuck about Cleveland. I'm done with him and the same goes for Eli Manning after the Philly 2017 home game.

Who I do care about ... is Philly and Dallas. Every podcast that is based in those two cities are dismissing the Giants already and for the first time ever, I agree with them and have absolutely zero incentive for proving them wrong. I'm so fucking tired of losing to Philly and now they're making a bad habit out of looking inferior to Dallas as well.

This rebuild is going to take some time. This season will be a wash.
Just see what direction they go  
micky : 7/20/2019 7:46 pm : link
Expect a lot of losses mixed in with few surprise w's

But, question is when will (if) give Jones a legit shot?
If your outlook is generally positive, optimistic...  
Klaatu : 7/21/2019 7:05 am : link
Then your expectations will be optimistic, too, and vice versa. Although I'm usually in the optimistic camp, I think it's prudent to adopt a "wait and see" attitude this year. For one thing, we don't even have a team, yet. Sure, we can pencil in most of the starters and backups, but it seems like there's always a surprise cut or two after camp, as well as a player who sticks after being written off early on, not to mention the possibility of signing a free agent cut from another team.

Once we do have a team, it's still going to be loaded with questions. QB, O-Line, DB's, pass-rush, etc., etc. The biggest question, though, for me anyway, is can this team stay healthy? No one can predict that, but no one can predict it for the opposition, either. Injuries may wear heavier on a team like the Giants (who have little or no quality depth), and less so on a team like the Eagles (half of their backups could probably start here), but the odds are that healthier teams win and injury-plagued teams don't. So if the Giants can stay relatively healthy, they can at least remain competitive.
Im less optimistic now...  
NephilimGiants : 7/21/2019 11:12 am : link
After seeing videos of the front 7 Bears have we look like a high school team.
stay healthy and everything falls right  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 9:13 pm : link
wild card not impossible.

last few years they said "team will go as far as the offensive line takes them" think they have patched that hole fairly well (keeping an eye on RT though).

this year - I would apply that theory to the linebacking corps - as the LB corps goes so goes the team. if they can generate pass rush and fill the rushing lanes - lot of reason for optimism. think that will happen but a lot of young players which probbaly means lot of growing pains especially early on.

cornerbacks are young too but a good pass rush can help them out - a lot. and they finally have an adult back there telling them what to do
most likely double digit losses  
.McL. : 7/23/2019 2:58 am : link
But...

As others, arc in particular have pointed out, 2020 is the season where the Giants should be competing for the playoffs. And the key this year is to see marked improvement. Particularly on the OL.

While I like the direction our secondary is going in, right now, I don't really like our secondary. Bethea is ancient. Jenkins is getting up there, and he seems to be declining a bit. We haven't seen him return to 2016 form over the past 2 years. Peppers should be decent. After that its the youth movement. The #2 - #5 CB will be either a 2nd year guy or a rookie. Mistakes will be made. And if Jenkins, Bethea, or Peppers gets hurt, then we will have to rely on another inexperienced player. The youth movement will pay dividends down the line, but growing pains will likely be the order of the day in 2019.

I am looking for the young pups in the secondary to be making solid contributions by the last 1/4 of the season

The pass rush is a big question mark. So I expect the defense to struggle.

I am looking for Carter, Ximies or Golden to establish themselves as legitimate pass rush threat.

The OL has at least 40% new players and will need time to gel. So expect them to struggle the first 4 to 6 games.

I am looking for the OL to start looking like an above average unit by the last 1/4 of the season.

I would like to see if Shepard and Engram can really establish themselves as threats.

I also want Jones to get at least 4 games worth of meaningful experience.

So just because I don't foresee many wins, doesn't mean there is nothing to see from the the upcoming season.
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