Shurmur prepared PowerPoint presentation to trade Odell?!

that Shurmur showed when he went over the decision to give Odell the extension

Then he should not be in the loop with football decisions.

Even if he could see the benefit he probably should stay far away from football decisions.

that’s a professional way to try to convince a reluctant owner. Present the facts as you’ve tallied them up. And no, I never heard this before

It’s Anita Marks. Just ignore her.

The first that Odell is a quitter as evidenced by his effort on the Hands Team and by him sitting out the end of the season with a bruise. (For good measure, he could have autotuned sound bytes from the Lil' Wayne interview.)

The second slide of just some random hot 22 yo girl to distract Tisch.

In comment 14501843 Diver_Down said:

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The first that Odell is a quitter as evidenced by his effort on the Hands Team and by him sitting out the end of the season with a bruise. (For good measure, he could have autotuned sound bytes from the Lil' Wayne interview.) The second slide of just some random hot 22 yo girl to distract Tisch.

😂

Anita Marks says. She has been known to create stories in the past. With that said, I think gettleman wanted to trade Beckham last year, but shurmur convinced him not to.

With the espn interview Beckham plus other things, gettleman got shurmur on board and got the owners to sign off. No presentation was needed

did the Giants points-per-game drop when Odell was out/injured last year?

with the benefit of hindsight, based on the moves the Giants made, trading Odell now made sense. I thought they might wait until next year, but better to trade a year too soon than a year too late.

When you look at what the Giants were going to do going into 2019

- Saquon was going to be the focal point of the offense. Odell was likely not going to fall in line that easilly.

- Clearly the Giants were ready to move on from Eli this year and were going to go QB in the first round. Pair Odell with a rookie QB probably was not going to be the best thing because that QB would get intimidated by Odell and feel the need to force the ball. And again...the offense is going through Saquon.

- Watching Antonio Brown's meltdown and forced the Steelers to trade him for 30 cents on the dollar likely got the Giants attention to move him now. You could easily see Odell following Brown's template, particularly because Odell's camp had been leaking for a long time he wanted to go to LA.

- And I still believe that Peppers was always in the conversation with the Browns and Gettleman, and that factored into the decision to let Collins walk and save $$ and recoup the 3rd round comp pick next year.

With an offense that no longer featured a WR of Odell's caliber because they have the best RB in football, and Odell's injuries and whatever the hell happened the last 4 games, it was time to go.

Still, if there was a power point presentation, I'd love to see it. Did he have a Giants template? Did he use transitions to make the words appear on the screen with a mouse click? Did he use sound effects?
Did he use the slides as talking points and spoke about other things in more detail, the cardinal sin of all power point presentations is just to read the slides out loud. So many questions....

Media plays around....the year the Giants lost OBJ, Sterling and that 3rd guy all in one game....the offense totally tanked....among all missed games, the offense did worse.

But last year...the offense did better.

In comment 14501841 Danny Kanell said:

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It’s Anita Marks. Just ignore her.

OBJ and his people’s media shill. And so what if he did. I guess he could have written it on a cocktail napkin like Mike Leach? Mayfield has to back him. Marks still trying to remain relevant and still carrying OBJs water. Guy is the biggest pussy in sports. STFU and try and play 16 games

computers equipped with Microsoft Office software.

You hear these reports that the team is way behind the rest of the league on analytics and fans get concerned.

Hopefully Shurmur incorporated some illustrative graphs and charts to spice up the deck...

It’s done. It’s up to the giants to convert the assets and cap space returned in the Beckham deal into winning football. Beckham was a risk. Giants decided to act. Now they need to make it work.

a logical presentation had to be made listing pros and cons. I would be disappointed if the coaches didn't make a cogent sales pitch laying out the situation.

strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats.

Shurmur could have gone a number of ways with this to be persuasive with his remarks...

"OBJ SLEEPS WITH THE FISHES"

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Not "World war"




fyi

of any reasonable argument sans marketing and jersey sales where trading odell is guaranteed to be a net negative.


But my problem with trading him is that Gettleman didnt negotiate. Theres one thing to say

"look we have an offer, it includes x picks, i need an answer within 1 hour as to whether youd be interested in beating this if not, hes gone."

its another to just answer the phone and take the first offer you received just because it has a 1st round pick included.

OBJ is an Apple guy

chalkboard with mathematical equations scribbled all over it that simplified down to the equation that the passing yards lost by trading OBJ would equal the passing yards gained if Landon Collins signed with an NFC East team and Engram and/or Barkley matched up against him twice yearly.

In comment 14501838 Matt in SGS said:

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that Shurmur showed when he went over the decision to give Odell the extension

Actually this explains it all. Great Power Point right there.

In comment 14501955 BlueLou'sBack said:

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chalkboard with mathematical equations scribbled all over it that simplified down to the equation that the passing yards lost by trading OBJ would equal the passing yards gained if Landon Collins signed with an NFC East team and Engram and/or Barkley matched up against him twice yearly.

In comment 14501874 Jimmy Googs said:

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computers equipped with Microsoft Office software. You hear these reports that the team is way behind the rest of the league on analytics and fans get concerned. Hopefully Shurmur incorporated some illustrative graphs and charts to spice up the deck...

The mere mention of analytics even in jest is a trigger for some. Here's a glimpse of NoGainDayne -

In comment 14501927 huygens20 said:

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of any reasonable argument sans marketing and jersey sales where trading odell is guaranteed to be a net negative. But my problem with trading him is that Gettleman didnt negotiate. Theres one thing to say "look we have an offer, it includes x picks, i need an answer within 1 hour as to whether youd be interested in beating this if not, hes gone." its another to just answer the phone and take the first offer you received just because it has a 1st round pick included.

Sheesh, did you write that with a straight face? Were you in the room with DG?

In comment 14501856 LauderdaleMatty said:

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In comment 14501841 Danny Kanell said: Quote: It’s Anita Marks. Just ignore her. OBJ and his people’s media shill. And so what if he did. I guess he could have written it on a cocktail napkin like Mike Leach? Mayfield has to back him. Marks still trying to remain relevant and still carrying OBJs water. Guy is the biggest pussy in sports. STFU and try and play 16 games

I think you’re getting her confused with Kim Jones. Anita Marks doesnt care about making Odell look good. Shes been pretty objective about the whole trade and has no issue with it happening.

About Odell telling Shurmur to F off a few times then this isn't surprising. I doubt he had to convince Gettleman, I think he wanted to completely tear this down immediately. For better or worse, the full rebuild is almost done, as soon as Jones takes over at qb later this yr or next we'll see if this was the right approach (or the never ending 'restock around Eli' plan was better).

In comment 14501970 Brown Recluse said:

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In comment 14501856 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: In comment 14501841 Danny Kanell said: Quote: It’s Anita Marks. Just ignore her. OBJ and his people’s media shill. And so what if he did. I guess he could have written it on a cocktail napkin like Mike Leach? Mayfield has to back him. Marks still trying to remain relevant and still carrying OBJs water. Guy is the biggest pussy in sports. STFU and try and play 16 games I think you’re getting her confused with Kim Jones. Anita Marks doesnt care about making Odell look good. Shes been pretty objective about the whole trade and has no issue with it happening.

When it comes to credibility, Kim Jones is light years ahead of Anita Marks. Anita has fabricated stories a few times and what exactly is her resume other than posing nude in playboy?

Kim Jones got the Beckham information wrong, she had a bad source, it happens. Kim has covered the giants, NFL and the Yankees. She has a lot of contacts and insight into what is going on.

In comment 14501849 Matt in SGS said:
[quote] with the benefit of hindsight, based on the moves the Giants made, trading Odell now made sense. I thought they might wait until next year, but better to trade a year too soon than a year too late.

Matt...

Your're absolutely right about that statement. I thought that the injury to his ankle(s) the year before limited his explosiveness. He still drew double coverage but was more on reputation than performance.

then we have more problems than I thought....

That guy should be a silent partner. When we want advice on which director to work with the next time we are on "Hard Knocks", then Tisch can weigh in.

so now the Giants have 2 Mara's and at least one Tisch deciding the on field roster? No wonder they're such a mess. George Young must be spinning.

As far as negotiating went it was pretty simple. They were sending him to Buffalo or Cleveland. That wasn't by accident it was probably the condition of the trade for the owners especially on the Mara side.

In comment 14501986 EricJ said:

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then we have more problems than I thought.... That guy should be a silent partner. When we want advice on which director to work with the next time we are on "Hard Knocks", then Tisch can weigh in.

Which Tisch are we talking about here though. It was well established back in 1991 that the Mara's handle the football aspect and the Tisch family assisted on the business/financial end. Jonathan Tisch is the Treasurer of the NY Giants. Trading Odell has a big impact on finances, not only from a dead cap standpoint, but from jersey sales, sponsorships, etc. Trading Odell wasn't simply a decision that "this guy is going to be a pain in the ass and we've got Saquon, so let's trade him".

Steve Tisch however, I'd agree with. He's part owner, but all in all, since his father took over, I've never heard a situation where the Tisch family has ever stood in the way of a football decision. He's clearly informed (he has to be), but if Mara is ok, Tisch has usually been ok. The only time I remember Robert Tisch getting involved in a Giants' transaction was when he screwed up the Rodney Hampton negotiation in 1996 and blew the news to the press that the Giants were going to match the Niner's offer for him. George Young's plan was to let the Niners twist for a week and set up his own moves, but someone shoved a microphone in Tisch's face at a Ranger game and Tisch blurted it out. Otherwise, while Steve Tisch finds the camera often, I've rarely heard him speak on any real tactical football matters.

just glad he didn't have a slide on how to replace apparel sales with this:

In comment 14501876 djm said:

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It’s done. It’s up to the giants to convert the assets and cap space returned in the Beckham deal into winning football. Beckham was a risk. Giants decided to act. Now they need to make it work.

It’s doesn't. So why isn’t OBJ having one of his minions Putting stuff out there? Because he and his people are following a model of keeping his names out there. IMO he and his crew will be milking the Giants trading him and how he was mistreated for as long as it helps keeping him out there

Look at Conor McGregor who got his ass kicked and will again if the fights another top tier fighter. Won’t ever stop him from self promoting. They are a brand. Keep tweeting. Keep doing interviews. Miss 8 games but your name will be out there OBJ. .

Fatman!!

"Power Point" is a great name, but it is mostly ineffective. It works best if you need to show a chart and then explain how the chart works. For instance, a chart with yards gained and points scored with and without Beckham.

For most other things Power Point sucks and is just a crutch for poor speakers. Usually it just diverts attention from what the speaker is saying, (which is often a good thing).

Rant over.

and Power Point is used to show more than just charts. Its actually a very useful tool, especially if you are trying to illustrate something that's hard to example in words, or understand without seeing an example.

I'm not the best with powerpoint, but its extremely useful, IMO.

I think its awesome that Shurmur did this, if true.

In comment 14501999 LauderdaleMatty said:

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In comment 14501876 djm said: Quote: It’s done. It’s up to the giants to convert the assets and cap space returned in the Beckham deal into winning football. Beckham was a risk. Giants decided to act. Now they need to make it work. It’s doesn't. So why isn’t OBJ having one of his minions Putting stuff out there? Because he and his people are following a model of keeping his names out there. IMO he and his crew will be milking the Giants trading him and how he was mistreated for as long as it helps keeping him out there Look at Conor McGregor who got his ass kicked and will again if the fights another top tier fighter. Won’t ever stop him from self promoting. They are a brand. Keep tweeting. Keep doing interviews. Miss 8 games but your name will be out there OBJ. .

Are you saying this info is coming from OBJ's camp?

That doesn't make a lot of sense for a variety of reasons.

Of course you would need to explain to ownership why you are trading one of your biggest stars less than a year after making the highest paid player at his position.

Who cares what medium is used to do that

Mara has given zero indication he has a clue what he’s doing. If I were Tisch I would insist on being involved in everything. He owns 50% of the team but it’s often presented like that stake gets him access to the sidelines and little else.

...Beckham lost me.


He could've ended Norman's career, or even killed him.

In comment 14502065 x meadowlander said:

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...Beckham lost me. He could've ended Norman's career, or even killed him.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but Norman is an incredibly difficult person to paint as a sympathetic figure.

In comment 14501849 Matt in SGS said:

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with the benefit of hindsight, based on the moves the Giants made, trading Odell now made sense. I thought they might wait until next year, but better to trade a year too soon than a year too late. When you look at what the Giants were going to do going into 2019 - Saquon was going to be the focal point of the offense. Odell was likely not going to fall in line that easilly. - Clearly the Giants were ready to move on from Eli this year and were going to go QB in the first round. Pair Odell with a rookie QB probably was not going to be the best thing because that QB would get intimidated by Odell and feel the need to force the ball. And again...the offense is going through Saquon. - Watching Antonio Brown's meltdown and forced the Steelers to trade him for 30 cents on the dollar likely got the Giants attention to move him now. You could easily see Odell following Brown's template, particularly because Odell's camp had been leaking for a long time he wanted to go to LA. - And I still believe that Peppers was always in the conversation with the Browns and Gettleman, and that factored into the decision to let Collins walk and save $$ and recoup the 3rd round comp pick next year. With an offense that no longer featured a WR of Odell's caliber because they have the best RB in football, and Odell's injuries and whatever the hell happened the last 4 games, it was time to go. Still, if there was a power point presentation, I'd love to see it. Did he have a Giants template? Did he use transitions to make the words appear on the screen with a mouse click? Did he use sound effects? Did he use the slides as talking points and spoke about other things in more detail, the cardinal sin of all power point presentations is just to read the slides out loud. So many questions....

This is all so 1970's complete with the posthumous trashing anyone who leaves and fans falling for the 70's Giant specialty, a few decent games at the end of the season when it's all over. Don't fall for it. Shurmur is a nothing- a mediocrity. All the vets knew it and they had to go at fire sale prices in hopes that new players who don't know any better might pay some attention to him. This team is a Barkley sore leg from being one of the worst teams in the League.

I guess in this heat a wet blanket gets covered in mildew and mold awfully fucking quickly.

And I don't entirely doubt her. Claimed Shumur was behind almost all the trades, which is good, a GM who gets the right personnel his coach needs, what a concept.

And Tisch is the reason this franchise has been so horrible of latr, coach needs to put together a slide presentation for that interfering clown. Fuck Fuck fuck.

...but there's a lot of truth in this one line:

"This team is a Barkley sore leg from being one of the worst teams in the League."

In comment 14502057 ron mexico said:

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Of course you would need to explain to ownership why you are trading one of your biggest stars less than a year after making the highest paid player at his position. Who cares what medium is used to do that

It's a story for idiots who need another thread in which to complain about a player who's no longer on the team.

In comment 14501993 Matt in SGS said:

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Which Tisch are we talking about here though.

I was talking about the only Tisch left who is alive and would have seen Shurmur's powerpoint. WTF ??

Both Steve Tisch and Jonathan Tisch are still alive, aren't they?