Shurmur prepared PowerPoint presentation to trade Odell?!

Shurmur put together the PP because Gettleman couldn't.

In comment 14502180 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Both Steve Tisch and Jonathan Tisch are still alive, aren't they?

Most likely referring to Bob Tisch

In comment 14502181 bw in dc said:

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Shurmur put together the PP because Gettleman couldn't.

And, like clock work

In comment 14502190 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14502180 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: Both Steve Tisch and Jonathan Tisch are still alive, aren't they? Most likely referring to Bob Tisch

yes BOB.. sorry

In comment 14501874 Jimmy Googs said:

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computers equipped with Microsoft Office software. You hear these reports that the team is way behind the rest of the league on analytics and fans get concerned.

MS Office? Lol. That's behind the entire world. As much money as these teams have, I want to hear they are using Jupyter Notebooks, Python, or R from real statistics/math professionals, not mere data analysts.

But half of you schmucks probably think sports analytics (aka, statistical analysis; aka SCIENCE) is fake news.

negotiated harder and sought a wider range of trade partners

1 - the 49ers for example have a leaky office -- every talk they had about this with the Giants made the rounds.

2 - once it got around that the Giants were seeking a trade partner to ship Odell out it would have become a circus and Odell would have created leverage for himself about it tying the Giants hands more and limiting their ability to make a decent deal.

3 -the Giants did fine with what they got -- ultimately they got rid of a head ache and got more of a team player in Peppers. Lawrence has the appearance of being a mammoth defensive star and Ximines has some real promise too -- if two of those three become star starters, then the Giants have done well

4 - not that I wish it -- but the Browns have the potential for becoming a real chit show with the number of big egos and mouths they are gathering.

In comment 14502023 Marty in Albany said:

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"Usually it just diverts attention from what the speaker is saying, (which is often a good thing). Rant over.

Despite its limitations, it has become a standard thing to use. People expect you to have it. I know many teachers get complaints if they do not have them.

Since on the subject of rants - I also hate the use of the word "crutch" in this context. Also, I hate the casual use of the word "hate" (lol, but seriously!). Do you despise, abhor or loathe PowerPoints?. Does the use of one fill you with such intense feeling that it ruins the rest of your day? If so, I would get help. Or, perhaps we should reserve the word hate for things that we really do, and maybe their will be less hate in the world.

For example, I do not hate the Philladelphia Eagles. I hope that we embarrass them whenever we play though. If I am filled with intense feeling after a bad loss, it is usually more directed towards inept play or coaching - and I always have respect for good football play if even from our rivals.

Also, some of you clearly state that you hate OBJ. If you are still holding intense grudges, you need help.

on the fact that OBJ never gets back to his first three years.

this is his 6th year in the league, hes had a major injury already. Now he's in a new offense on team that is always getting blown up and rebuilt. This has a Randy Moss on the Raiders feel to it. If Mayfield is the real deal and that team doesn't implode then maybe, but I doubt it will last more than a season. Too many egos in that locker room for it not to eat itself.

1400 is not out of the question either.

In comment 14502369 ron mexico said:

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1400 is not out of the question either.

And I'll counter, I guarantee they don't win a playoff game.

In comment 14502445 NYG007 said:

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In comment 14502369 ron mexico said: Quote: 1400 is not out of the question either. And I'll counter, I guarantee they don't win a playoff game.

I wouldn't take even odds on that, but I would make that bet

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In comment 14501849 Matt in SGS said:

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with the benefit of hindsight, based on the moves the Giants made, trading Odell now made sense. I thought they might wait until next year, but better to trade a year too soon than a year too late. Matt... Your're absolutely right about that statement. I thought that the injury to his ankle(s) the year before limited his explosiveness. He still drew double coverage but was more on reputation than performance.

I rarely disagree with Matt in SGS, but we really don't have true hindsight yet. For that, we need to see what we get from Peppers, Lawrence and Xman - and also how OBJ's career progresses. Although for sure a year early is better than a year too late...

In comment 14502369 ron mexico said:

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1400 is not out of the question either.

I think he's going to kill it, too. And be a total pain in the ass the entire time... ;)

has his hands in who to trade or not, reeks of Daniel Snyder.

You hire a GM to make these decisions, maybe a President of Football Operations.

not a movie producer.

I guess every owner wants to know about major moves, but still seems heavy handed to me.

of the franchise. And like it or not that is exactly what he became.

In comment 14502466 pjcas18 said:

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has his hands in who to trade or not, reeks of Daniel Snyder. You hire a GM to make these decisions, maybe a President of Football Operations. not a movie producer. I guess every owner wants to know about major moves, but still seems heavy handed to me.

Do you honestly believe there's a franchise in ANY major sport in which trades of high level players get done without the owner's approval? Even Jerry West has to tell Steve Ballmer before he trades Blake Griffin. If the owner says "No", it doesn't happen even if Jerry's contract stipulates final say on all basketball matters. The owner can just fire Jerry and pay his contract.

or dysfunctional to anyone the coach goes to the owner (probably the lesser football guy owner out of the two owners) to make his trade pitch?

That comes from the GM is my point or gets made to the GM who makes it ownership.

Coach to owner for trades only happens in New England IMO, because they don't have a GM.

Both the GM and coach approached both owners about the trade...but I didn't hear the segment.

Seems reasonable for a trade of that magnitude and the amount of dead money they are going to eat.

They basically threw away 20mil of the owners money by signing him then trading him.

In comment 14502144 x meadowlander said:

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...but there's a lot of truth in this one line: "This team is a Barkley sore leg from being one of the worst teams in the League."

They are a Barkley sore leg away from having any Pro Bowlers or stars (well maybe Engram?) but moving Beckham for 3 guys that might all be pretty good players - Lawrence, Peppers, and Xman - and perhaps one absolute stud in Lawrence...

On a roster largely devoid of talent it's close to a no-brainer IMO. It's still a team game, and one standout WR does not make anyone a perennial contender; that is for certain.

In comment 14502480 pjcas18 said:

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or dysfunctional to anyone the coach goes to the owner (probably the lesser football guy owner out of the two owners) to make his trade pitch? That comes from the GM is my point or gets made to the GM who makes it ownership. Coach to owner for trades only happens in New England IMO, because they don't have a GM.

Mara, Gettleman, and Shurmer were probably on board, but Tisch needed to be convinced the team would be/could be better on the field without Odell. Perhaps Shurmer was the best person to do that of the three. My problem would've been Shurmer isn't exactly Bill B., Bill P., Bill W., or Bill anything in terms of head coaching at this point in his career. That would've had to be some Powerpoint presentation for me to get over the fact it's being given by a head coach with a 31% winning percentage through 3 seasons.

In comment 14502480 pjcas18 said:

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or dysfunctional to anyone the coach goes to the owner (probably the lesser football guy owner out of the two owners) to make his trade pitch? That comes from the GM is my point or gets made to the GM who makes it ownership. Coach to owner for trades only happens in New England IMO, because they don't have a GM.

In this specific case, it may be because Shurmur was the one who reportedly wanted OBJ kept around at the time of DG inking his big deal. DG reportedly was already looking to move on from OBJ a year ago, but Shurmur plead a case to keep him, right?

In comment 14502490 BlueLou'sBack said:

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In comment 14502144 x meadowlander said: Quote: ...but there's a lot of truth in this one line: "This team is a Barkley sore leg from being one of the worst teams in the League." They are a Barkley sore leg away from having any Pro Bowlers or stars (well maybe Engram?) but moving Beckham for 3 guys that might all be pretty good players - Lawrence, Peppers, and Xman - and perhaps one absolute stud in Lawrence... On a roster largely devoid of talent it's close to a no-brainer IMO. It's still a team game, and one standout WR does not make anyone a perennial contender; that is for certain.

Hernadez and Zeitler May Be Pro Bowl level. And who cares about the Pro Bowl. If our OL player well together and stud team wins That’s the goal.


OBJ didn’t help the team win shit. Peppers Andy Zeitler are an upgrade over a fantasy guy who plays 8-12 games a year and can help the team

In comment 14502483 ron mexico said:

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Both the GM and coach approached both owners about the trade...but I didn't hear the segment. Seems reasonable for a trade of that magnitude and the amount of dead money they are going to eat. They basically threw away 20mil of the owners money by signing him then trading him.

The Giants paid 22M for 12 games of Beckham. No matter what the Giants got in exchange, the owner deserves to be advised on that.

If the coach had a PPT ready to whip out for a trade -- that doesn't quite align with the story that the Browns approached the Giants, blew them away, and by dinner Beckham was a Brown.

Make sure it's gone from the backup servers if they exist.

Nothing good would come from that coming to the light of day.

In comment 14502465 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14502369 ron mexico said: Quote: 1400 is not out of the question either. I think he's going to kill it, too. And be a total pain in the ass the entire time... ;)

1200 yds, and then completely dissappear in a playoff game lodd.

Football's Carmela Anthony,

We will see how it plays out. Lets not beat it to death on this site again and again and again.

had to be convinced, hence Shurmur was asked to prepare a PPT to convince Tisch. I have no idea whether Anita Marks has inside access. More than a few posters on this site expressed doubt in the past. But the idea that Mara wanted OBJ gone, but Tisch has reservations, makes sense to me.