Here are a few thoughts in not any particular order:
*I doesn't make all that much sense now to trade Wheeler. Not sure the return would be greater than the compensatory pick, and the injury increases the chance of re-signing him after the season (apparently a source confirmed this according to Metsblog)
*I would *try* to trade Wilson Ramos, Jason Vargas, and Frazier, the former has not been terribly productive and the latter two are free agents that have no future in flushing. I would probably try to grab some low minor prospects with upside and intl' bonus money, as I think we're starting to develop a young core in rookie ball/low a (Baty, Alvarez, Vientos, Mauricio, Newton, SWR, Allan, Wolf, Szapucki), I'd love to add to that crop of talent that's developing
*Not really sure what to do with Dom Smith and Syndergaard. Two immensely talented players who I am not sure have a future in flushing. The scary thing about these two is that I have a sickening feeling if they go elsewhere they will just light up (in the same way d'arnaud, murphy, j. turner) have in recent years.
*We really need to focus on four areas: Catcher, CF, SP Depth, and Bullpen. Now Rosario could potentially move to CF, but not sure I trust Gimenez to be the answer at SS in the short or long-term so I'm tempted to keep Rosario there and see if we can get his defense improved.
*Can we count on Kay being a middle to back of the rotation starter next season? Especially if we trade Noah. Books still out, but it's a risk, and we're going to need him if we're going to compete.
*I would love for 1 of these power relievers to finally do something meaningful. I'm fairley optimistic we can get something out of Riley Gilliam, but we'll see.
*Right now we have a pretty decent core in deGrom, [i]wheeler/i]Alonso, McNeil, Conforto, Nimmo, Matz, Rosario; Lugo, JD Davis, Diaz, Gsellman we have some veterans that will be here no matter what in Cano, Cespedes, Lowrie, J. Wilson, J. Familia. So that's 17 players pretty much locked in.
*The Cano trade a real shame. Kelenic and Dunn would make our future look so much brighter, especially with the A ball talent we have right now.
*If Wheeler or Syndergaard are gone--who is taking their place?
2 - 100% could dump those three and play the kids. I dont think they will get much back but they are not part of the solution next year
3 - This is the toughest one. Do you sell high on Dom and sell LOW on Thor? Considering that Dom doesnt have a shot at 1B and really isnt an OFer, I would try and cash in on his successes this year. Thor, unless I am blown away, I would keep him for now. His value in the offseason might be greater
4 - Rosario is such a disappointment even with his recent hot streak. He might just fall in line with all of the former top mets prospects that were busts.
5 - While Kay might be a middle of the rotation guy, you cannot count on him at this point.
Try to sign Noah long term now. Noah/deGrom top 2 build rotation around them. Lineup has a lot more pieces but unfortunately albatross Cano tanks us. We have a lot of cheap bats so fill in around them best as possible and try to fix pen yet again.
The wreckage of the Cano deal is going to suck for a while.
Hopefully the continued wreckage from Callaway is gone soon and replaced by a real manager. I have very little faith left in BVW but if there's any rabbit in the hat it's going to be convincing the Wilpons to hire a credible, winning, manager for the first time ever and building a solid staff.
Gimenez is an interesting chip. I don't think that highly of him. I wonder if we can get a Catcher, Reliever, or Center Fielder for him.
Gimenez is an interesting chip. I don't think that highly of him. I wonder if we can get a Catcher, Reliever, or Center Fielder for him.
Yes. NL is wide open. Our record is really meaningless. With so many solid teams beating up on each other a .500 team likely is in striking distance of a wild card spot over the last week of the season. We were only 5 games out yesterday and we are pretty healthy and playing good ball at the moment. There isn’t a lot to sell and most of the team is still young. Ride it out and enjoy it. If we don’t make the postseason? Oh well. Most of the lineup is young and ascending and will be even better going into 2020.
We need a vet catcher that can hit a little and Vargas’s option next year is cheap. Until Kay proves he’s ready we still need bodies.
The Vets mentioned above are all trade bait. The major problem is....these trades will be engineered by Brody. If they can get VALUE for them, pull the trigger. But no more bargain basement relievers.
Nimmo is done for the year, I expect nothing from him. He's only now just starting baseball activities and won't paly rehab games til August. I'm not placing any long term bets on a CF with a bad neck. Maybe Rosario gets an outfielder's glove sooner rather than later. I don't want to see Conforto in CF anymore -- he's the RF. And Dom is the LF until he proves otherwise.
It's time for Broken Van Wagonwheel to erase the stain on his first year in a new job.
The Mets have Alonso. McNeil, Smith, Conforto, DeGrom & Syndergaard. Build around that.
The Mets problem is horrific management. Get rid of Callaway ASAP and get a real GM in there. Getting a competent proven manager like Girardi or Buck would be a coup.
The Mets need to do everything possible to rid themselves of these crappy veterans like Frazier, Familia, Diaz, Cano, etc. Some tall tasks in there I know.
Im also done with Rosario. I’d move on from him.
The Mets have Alonso. McNeil, Smith, Conforto, DeGrom & Syndergaard. Build around that.
The Mets problem is horrific management. Get rid of Callaway ASAP and get a real GM in there. Getting a competent proven manager like Girardi or Buck would be a coup.
The Mets need to do everything possible to rid themselves of these crappy veterans like Frazier, Familia, Diaz, Cano, etc. Some tall tasks in there I know.
Im also done with Rosario. I’d move on from him.
Yeah especially considering he’s an asset in a corner outfield spot now. He actually has a better DRS in LF than 1B. Lol. He’s part of the future and we need young outfielders going forward. Trading him is insanity.
He was the 18th best pitcher in baseball last year over an entire season. I’d call that sustained success.
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Problem is Wheeler really isn't that good. He's never had any form of sustained success for a full year.
He was the 18th best pitcher in baseball last year over an entire season. I’d call that sustained success.
I'd just like to see him fall back more into line with his peripherals. We're a NY team so we really should be able to sign both Wheeler and Thor long term also but we know that won't happen.
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Problem is Wheeler really isn't that good. He's never had any form of sustained success for a full year.
He was the 18th best pitcher in baseball last year over an entire season. I’d call that sustained success.
I'd just like to see him fall back more into line with his peripherals. We're a NY team so we really should be able to sign both Wheeler and Thor long term also but we know that won't happen.
I think his line being a little off is an advantage. Outside of a few more homers (potentially juiced balls this year) his numbers are right in line with last year. Use that as a bargaining chip. If you can get him on a reasonable 4 year deal, we’re set for at least a couple of more seasons. Maybe by 2022 when Thor is a FA... Kay, Peterson, and others are starting to become more established...
I'd also like to see Rosario in CF. They really need to know what they have in Amed.
I would put Hechavarria at SS for the time being. The future is Ronny Mauricio, but he's in low A and won't turn 19 until next April. I don't think Gimenez will hit enough in the bigs (why they held him out of that God-forseken Cano deal -- and gave up a top OF prospect is beyond my comprehension).
3. Fire the Mickey Mouse Club
Conforto, Thor, Rosario, Matz are on the fence bc of their massive inconsistencies an inabilities to stay healthy.
Everyone else should be traded or used as role players until their contracts are up. .
Conforto likely has some good trade value and he's not under team control for as long as the other guys. Fangraph's didn't list Conforto as a top-50 trade asset, but listed him as an honorable mention. The producer of this article spent a lot of time on it, and spent a considerable amount of time talking to MLB front-office types in putting it together.
What would a realistic return for Conforto look like? Well, we can use the fangraphs analysis to see some realistic players we could get back in a 1 for 1 swap.
Here are a few other guys who were listed as honorable mentions in fangraphs top 50 trade value piece.
Prospects:
Dustin May (SP LAD)
Forest Whitley (SP Astros)
Brendan McKay (SP/1B TB)
Gavin Lux (SS/2B LAD)
MLB Pitchers:
Mike Clevinger
Sonny Gray
Jack Flaherty
Jameson Taillon
Position Players:
Brandon Lowe
Byron Buxton (CF)
Carson Kelly (catcher)
JP Crawford (SS)
Alex Verdugo (CF)
Aaron Hicks (CF)
Travor Story (SS)
Bullpen:
Josh Hader
Felipe Vasquez
I'm more than fine with keeping Conforto, I like him. But if we're trying to build a contender with limited payroll flexibility, we should consider whether any of the names I've listed would help us more than 3 more years of Conforto.
Any chance he plays this year?
Kelenic's season has been pretty unanimously considered very good bc he started the year mashing in A ball, and that moved him up in the rankings. But his first 30 games since moving up to A+ he's hitting .250 with a .770 OPS. He just turned 20 a few days ago so he's a little young for the level but not crazily so (the Braves have 2 CF prospects ranked similarly to kelenic mashing in AA at age 20). Better than league average (112rc) is perfectly acceptable for a prospect making an adjustment to a new level just 1 year removed from getting drafted, but also definitely not elite uber prospect.
Meanwhile just 10 months older and also not yet legally able to buy a beer, in AA Gimenez is having what's viewed as a very disappointing season hitting a very similar .240 with a .660 OPS (97 wRC). YoY his power numbers are actually up though his contact numbers are down. After an all star first half in A+ last year and an aggressive move up to AA last year when he was a more comparable age to Kelenic.
Again to be clear I think both are very good prospects and also both players have dealt with injuries recently from getting hit by pitches. Either could very easily have a good 2nd half (or a hot couple weeks) and improve the narrative of their season's further. There were 2 or 3 seasons in a row where Dom Smith started awful and then had huge 2nd halves. This is not a knock on Kelenic - I hated giving him up at the time and wish we still had him. Just pointing out what I believe is a flaw in perception. Kelenic dominated A ball for 50 games and that narrative has carried.
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maybe the best 15 game run I've ever seen.
Any chance he plays this year?
His big league club is loaded but first 15 at AAA. .531/.577/1.063, 7 homers, 9 doubles, 2 triples, nuts
The Mets top prospect list at that time had 5 or 6 shortstops in the top 20. The outfield prospects.....not so much.
Once BVW took on all that salary, did he have to throw in a couple of good prospects ?? Kelenic tore up the Sally League before his promothion and Dunn is pitching in AAA.
CF is an extraordinarily important defensive position and you do not move a player there for discovery, You put a guy in LF for that.
But you only do that with a guy who can actually hit a ton. Rosario cant. He is barely a mediocre hitter.
The guy is a light-hitting defensive liability. On top of that he also apparently loafs out plays. It’s time to move on.
The Mets dont need to “find out what they have” in Rosario. They know what they have. Nothing. What they need to do is accept that fact.
This is not new. Some of the Wilpons first big acts as sole owners of the team were bringing Mo Vaughn to the NL, the botched move of Piazza to 1B, moving Reyes to 2B for Kaz Matsui, and on and on its gone since then. Murphy and Duda in the OF, Flores at SS, Conforto in CF, McNeil to the OF, acquiring Cano at age 36.
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no argument there - they should have been trying to resign him and wheeler long term the second they decided to keep JDG. Price only goes up every day, even if neither is currently pitching like a CY winner.
Wasn't wishing for it, just relaying it.
Has there been a player who went from the pinnacle to rock bottom as quickly?
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Has there been a player who went from the pinnacle to rock bottom as quickly?
Gooden?
Injuries will do that.
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DFA'd by Anaheim.
Has there been a player who went from the pinnacle to rock bottom as quickly?
Gooden?
Injuries will do that.
Gooden was at least on top for a while and his drugs/injuries were a much slower descent
but good example.
I was thinking Mark Prior