How the hell did the Oilers offload Lucic's contract? I'm sorry, but he may have the worst contract in all of NHL. He makes Staal's deal look good. Gorton should find a way to unload Staal now.
Now the hard part - somehow fitting under the cap without blowing up this teams cap for the next FOUR years with stupid buyouts
You realistically need 1-2mm of wiggle room for injuries and such during a season and we’ve still got 3 guys to try and sign. Hope they know what they’re doing ... Panarin and Trouba are great but you just threw $20 mil per year at 2 players on a team that still needs more time to work through bad contracts and rebuild towards something
How the hell did the Oilers offload Lucic's contract? I'm sorry, but he may have the worst contract in all of NHL. He makes Staal's deal look good. Gorton should find a way to unload Staal now.
Oilers fan here - it's just a rumor last I heard. Holding my breath though.
How the hell did the Oilers offload Lucic's contract? I'm sorry, but he may have the worst contract in all of NHL. He makes Staal's deal look good. Gorton should find a way to unload Staal now.
It's for James Neal and some salary retention. A conditional pick is also part of the deal but it will come down to how much money Edmonton retains.
How the hell did the Oilers offload Lucic's contract? I'm sorry, but he may have the worst contract in all of NHL. He makes Staal's deal look good. Gorton should find a way to unload Staal now.
Oilers fan here - it's just a rumor last I heard. Holding my breath though.
How the hell did the Oilers offload Lucic's contract? I'm sorry, but he may have the worst contract in all of NHL. He makes Staal's deal look good. Gorton should find a way to unload Staal now.
It's for James Neal and some salary retention. A conditional pick is also part of the deal but it will come down to how much money Edmonton retains.
Even so. At least Neal can contribute. He had a shitty year last year, but he's a perennial 20+ goal scorer.
Honestly, I wouldn't be upset if they traded Kreider Â
How the hell did the Oilers offload Lucic's contract? I'm sorry, but he may have the worst contract in all of NHL. He makes Staal's deal look good. Gorton should find a way to unload Staal now.
It's for James Neal and some salary retention. A conditional pick is also part of the deal but it will come down to how much money Edmonton retains.
Even so. At least Neal can contribute. He had a shitty year last year, but he's a perennial 20+ goal scorer.
As of now it looks like a terrible deal for the Flames. It will all come down to what the conditions are on the draft pick and how much money Edmonton is retaining.
Granted he played more games, but Lucic had more pts than Neal last year.
I wouldn't want either on my team, but I'd take Lucic for this one stat alone. Neal is supposed sandpaper, but he's not really.
Lucic: 5v5 hits: 259
Neal: 5v5 hits: 46
Lucic has been top 10 in hits probably every year he's been in the league and I value that more than Neal's fake sandpaper. Hits are a stat that won't put you on a leader board, but man they have a tangible impact. Or at least they can.
but again I'd want neither on my team unless their money was almost all paid for by someone else.
Granted he played more games, but Lucic had more pts than Neal last year.
I wouldn't want either on my team, but I'd take Lucic for this one stat alone. Neal is supposed sandpaper, but he's not really.
Lucic: 5v5 hits: 259
Neal: 5v5 hits: 46
Lucic has been top 10 in hits probably every year he's been in the league and I value that more than Neal's fake sandpaper. Hits are a stat that won't put you on a leader board, but man they have a tangible impact. Or at least they can.
but again I'd want neither on my team unless their money was almost all paid for by someone else.
Oilers wouldn't have to protect Neal. They would with Lucic in the upcoming expansion draft.
Really a coup for the Rangers FO to be able to sign this player Â
Everyone was talking about how he wanted to test free agency. How it was unlikely anyone that dealt for him would be getting more than a rental. A few weeks later he's signed sealed and delivered. Great get for our team.
Now the priorities are in place and the braintrust can work on finalizing the roster. Seeing how they can maneuver the contracts and deals on guys like Kreider, Staal, Smith and Shatty.
I have a feeling Buchnevich is probably a goner. Which I'd not be that upset about. I'd love to find a way to keep Kreider - I think there's an element to his game that's needed given the current construction of the team.
Love the deal for Troubs, though. I assumed the AAV would be around there. Glad we got him locked up.
Heck of an offseason for NYR. Really strong.
We're not going to be Cup contenders this year, but we're going to be a lot more competitive than I'd originally assumed earlier on in the rebuild process. Looking forward to this season.
There are a few guys I'd love to get rid of... particularly the triple "S" blueliners - but I also just hate going the buyout route if there's any way to avoid it.
I could do without Namestnikov and Strome too. I don't think either of those guys are particularly important or hard to replace.
'and drop Namenstikov, Strome, Staal and Smith/Shattenkirk'... Â
I think a cross section of these players being dealt is how they'll ultimately address the situation. There's a strong probability Kreider and Buch will be kept imo.
Staal's buyout is more digestable than Shattenkirk's Â
Shattenkirk's contract drives me nuts - I wish we could get rid of it, but I agree - buying him out isn't the right move.
It sucks, but at the same time, it's manageable...next year. A) Shattenkirk has way more of an opportunity to "bounce back" than Smith and Staal because A) he's a better player; and B) he was hampered by injuries for most of the year.
I think I read somewhere that if we pay Shattenkirk's bonus next year, he'll only be owed like 3 million or something. A team would almost definitely take him on for that amount.
So keep Shatty for now. Buyout Smith. Find a way to get rid of Staal. Attach him to Kreider if you have to. I don't mind getting lesser value if it means getting rid of Staal.
If I'm not mistaken,they can send Smith down to Hartford Â
& save a couple of million. Not sure of the exact #,maybe someone knows?
the most you can save on any contract for a player sent to the minors is $1.075M.
$375k + league minimum (700k)
NY Post this AM said $1.25M but regardless,they're still going to have to move another couple of players unless they just do buyouts(which will hurt them down the road). Rather they add an asset or 2 to get another team to take on contract(s)!
RE: RE: RE: If I'm not mistaken,they can send Smith down to Hartford Â
& save a couple of million. Not sure of the exact #,maybe someone knows?
the most you can save on any contract for a player sent to the minors is $1.075M.
$375k + league minimum (700k)
NY Post this AM said $1.25M but regardless,they're still going to have to move another couple of players unless they just do buyouts(which will hurt them down the road). Rather they add an asset or 2 to get another team to take on contract(s)!
Not according to capfriendly, but the difference is negligible.
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What is a Buried Contract?
Teams do not receive full cap relief when a player on a one-way NHL contract is reassigned to the American Hockey League, or is loaned to a team in another professional league.
The players salary cap hit, minus the sum of the minimum NHL salary for the respective season and $375,000, still counts towards the team’s salary cap total.
The cap hit relief is therefore equal to the minimum salary of the respective season + $375,000:
There is absolutely no reason to keep them around while dumping Kreider and Bush. Strome is the dictionary definition of JAG and Namestnikov is a nice player who can nevertheless be adequately replaced by a cheaper player.
There is absolutely no reason to keep them around while dumping Kreider and Bush. Strome is the dictionary definition of JAG and Namestnikov is a nice player who can nevertheless be adequately replaced by a cheaper player.
The issue is you are seeing things the same as rest of NHL. So there probably aren't GM's looking to take either of those guys on, even being in last year of deals, without us retaining some salary or attaching a sweetener (decent draft pick). Because I completely agree, why trade Kreider or Buch now, who doesn't want to see these two with all our new exciting additions? And buyouts are obviously last resorts, due to negative cap ramifications down the road. So trading Names and/r Strome makes most sense. But their is a reason that hasn't happened yet.
was traded last year straight up for Ryan Spooner who is already out of the NHL and playing in Switzerland at 27 years old, pretty sure Strome shouldn't cost more than a 4th/5th round pick.
the Islanders raped the Oilers in that Strome for Eberle trade.
granted the Oilers had to free up space for Draisatl, but strome was pretty much a known quantity by the trade.
It would be sad to have to trade CK or Buch when they’d make a Â
doesnt mean Strome is only worth Spooner. Strome did OK for us last year, serviceable 3rd line player.
If Devils offered a 5th round pick straight up for him and took on his $3m contract this year, I'd pack his bags...
Devils also need a defender - send them Staal or Shatty for a 7th round pick and absorb half their contracts. Accomplishes same thing as a buyout, but you don't have year 3 and 4 dead money now (which we want to avoid at all costs).
Of course, Devils would never choose to help out a cap-strapped divisional rival...
too bad Columbus, which has a ton of $$$ to spend... doesnt need Defense.
They've got cap space and need some depth like Names or Stroke
I think its come to the point where you have to give a high draft pick for someone to take one of the "S" defensemen with their salary. I would go as high as a second round pick to get rid of the salary, depending on which one a team took plus how much salary they are absorbing.
How the hell did the Oilers offload Lucic's contract? I'm sorry, but he may have the worst contract in all of NHL. He makes Staal's deal look good. Gorton should find a way to unload Staal now.
Now they probably need to make a move.
$0 cap space Buch, Lemieux, and Deangelo unsigned.
Probably $8M combined to keep those 3 IMO.
You realistically need 1-2mm of wiggle room for injuries and such during a season and we’ve still got 3 guys to try and sign. Hope they know what they’re doing ... Panarin and Trouba are great but you just threw $20 mil per year at 2 players on a team that still needs more time to work through bad contracts and rebuild towards something
They better not. Much better off at this point attaching assets and/or retaining a few dollars to move the contracts out that need to be offloaded.
But still means 1-2 dead weights need to go somehow - beleskey and Smith probably untradeable
How the hell did the Oilers offload Lucic's contract? I'm sorry, but he may have the worst contract in all of NHL. He makes Staal's deal look good. Gorton should find a way to unload Staal now.
Oilers fan here - it's just a rumor last I heard. Holding my breath though.
How the hell did the Oilers offload Lucic's contract? I'm sorry, but he may have the worst contract in all of NHL. He makes Staal's deal look good. Gorton should find a way to unload Staal now.
It's for James Neal and some salary retention. A conditional pick is also part of the deal but it will come down to how much money Edmonton retains.
Now they probably need to make a move.
$0 cap space Buch, Lemieux, and Deangelo unsigned.
Probably $8M combined to keep those 3 IMO.
Probably less. Buch will probably get a bridge deal of 3M. TDA below that and Lemieux below that.
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Calgary just acquired Milan Lucic.
How the hell did the Oilers offload Lucic's contract? I'm sorry, but he may have the worst contract in all of NHL. He makes Staal's deal look good. Gorton should find a way to unload Staal now.
Oilers fan here - it's just a rumor last I heard. Holding my breath though.
It appears to be finalized.
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Calgary just acquired Milan Lucic.
How the hell did the Oilers offload Lucic's contract? I'm sorry, but he may have the worst contract in all of NHL. He makes Staal's deal look good. Gorton should find a way to unload Staal now.
It's for James Neal and some salary retention. A conditional pick is also part of the deal but it will come down to how much money Edmonton retains.
Even so. At least Neal can contribute. He had a shitty year last year, but he's a perennial 20+ goal scorer.
We're thankful for that.
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Calgary just acquired Milan Lucic.
How the hell did the Oilers offload Lucic's contract? I'm sorry, but he may have the worst contract in all of NHL. He makes Staal's deal look good. Gorton should find a way to unload Staal now.
It's for James Neal and some salary retention. A conditional pick is also part of the deal but it will come down to how much money Edmonton retains.
Even so. At least Neal can contribute. He had a shitty year last year, but he's a perennial 20+ goal scorer.
As of now it looks like a terrible deal for the Flames. It will all come down to what the conditions are on the draft pick and how much money Edmonton is retaining.
Granted he played more games, but Lucic had more pts than Neal last year.
I wouldn't want either on my team, but I'd take Lucic for this one stat alone. Neal is supposed sandpaper, but he's not really.
Lucic: 5v5 hits: 259
Neal: 5v5 hits: 46
Lucic has been top 10 in hits probably every year he's been in the league and I value that more than Neal's fake sandpaper. Hits are a stat that won't put you on a leader board, but man they have a tangible impact. Or at least they can.
but again I'd want neither on my team unless their money was almost all paid for by someone else.
Granted he played more games, but Lucic had more pts than Neal last year.
I wouldn't want either on my team, but I'd take Lucic for this one stat alone. Neal is supposed sandpaper, but he's not really.
Lucic: 5v5 hits: 259
Neal: 5v5 hits: 46
Lucic has been top 10 in hits probably every year he's been in the league and I value that more than Neal's fake sandpaper. Hits are a stat that won't put you on a leader board, but man they have a tangible impact. Or at least they can.
but again I'd want neither on my team unless their money was almost all paid for by someone else.
Oilers wouldn't have to protect Neal. They would with Lucic in the upcoming expansion draft.
Now the priorities are in place and the braintrust can work on finalizing the roster. Seeing how they can maneuver the contracts and deals on guys like Kreider, Staal, Smith and Shatty.
Hope he doesn’t like radio active sushi.
weird dudes.
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Love the deal for Troubs, though. I assumed the AAV would be around there. Glad we got him locked up.
Heck of an offseason for NYR. Really strong.
We're not going to be Cup contenders this year, but we're going to be a lot more competitive than I'd originally assumed earlier on in the rebuild process. Looking forward to this season.
I could do without Namestnikov and Strome too. I don't think either of those guys are particularly important or hard to replace.
It sucks, but at the same time, it's manageable...next year. A) Shattenkirk has way more of an opportunity to "bounce back" than Smith and Staal because A) he's a better player; and B) he was hampered by injuries for most of the year.
I think I read somewhere that if we pay Shattenkirk's bonus next year, he'll only be owed like 3 million or something. A team would almost definitely take him on for that amount.
So keep Shatty for now. Buyout Smith. Find a way to get rid of Staal. Attach him to Kreider if you have to. I don't mind getting lesser value if it means getting rid of Staal.
the most you can save on any contract for a player sent to the minors is $1.075M.
$375k + league minimum (700k)
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& save a couple of million. Not sure of the exact #,maybe someone knows?
the most you can save on any contract for a player sent to the minors is $1.075M.
$375k + league minimum (700k)
NY Post this AM said $1.25M but regardless,they're still going to have to move another couple of players unless they just do buyouts(which will hurt them down the road). Rather they add an asset or 2 to get another team to take on contract(s)!
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& save a couple of million. Not sure of the exact #,maybe someone knows?
the most you can save on any contract for a player sent to the minors is $1.075M.
$375k + league minimum (700k)
NY Post this AM said $1.25M but regardless,they're still going to have to move another couple of players unless they just do buyouts(which will hurt them down the road). Rather they add an asset or 2 to get another team to take on contract(s)!
Not according to capfriendly, but the difference is negligible.
Teams do not receive full cap relief when a player on a one-way NHL contract is reassigned to the American Hockey League, or is loaned to a team in another professional league.
The players salary cap hit, minus the sum of the minimum NHL salary for the respective season and $375,000, still counts towards the team’s salary cap total.
The cap hit relief is therefore equal to the minimum salary of the respective season + $375,000:
2014-15: $550,000 + $375,000 = $925,000
2015-16: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000
2016-17: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000
2017-18: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000
2018-19: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000
2019-20: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000
2020-21: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000
2021-22: $750,000 + $375,000 = $1,125,000
But you have to trade him and not get cap space back.
So it would probably be a mid to late round draft pick, or mid-to low level prospect.
I think if the Rangers want to sign all three of Buch, Lemieux and Deangelo they need at least 6-7M IMO.
Buch: 3M
Lemieux: 1M
Deangelo: 2 - 3M.
Names gives you 4.
Strome 3.1
Strome is an RFA after the season.
As a GM I'd have a hard time taking on either of those contracts without a sweetener.
The issue is you are seeing things the same as rest of NHL. So there probably aren't GM's looking to take either of those guys on, even being in last year of deals, without us retaining some salary or attaching a sweetener (decent draft pick). Because I completely agree, why trade Kreider or Buch now, who doesn't want to see these two with all our new exciting additions? And buyouts are obviously last resorts, due to negative cap ramifications down the road. So trading Names and/r Strome makes most sense. But their is a reason that hasn't happened yet.
the Islanders raped the Oilers in that Strome for Eberle trade.
granted the Oilers had to free up space for Draisatl, but strome was pretty much a known quantity by the trade.
As others say, attaching a 2nd rounder in a Shatty trade would be my first choice, along with trading Nemestnikov.
If Devils offered a 5th round pick straight up for him and took on his $3m contract this year, I'd pack his bags...
Devils also need a defender - send them Staal or Shatty for a 7th round pick and absorb half their contracts. Accomplishes same thing as a buyout, but you don't have year 3 and 4 dead money now (which we want to avoid at all costs).
Of course, Devils would never choose to help out a cap-strapped divisional rival...
too bad Columbus, which has a ton of $$$ to spend... doesnt need Defense.
I think its come to the point where you have to give a high draft pick for someone to take one of the "S" defensemen with their salary. I would go as high as a second round pick to get rid of the salary, depending on which one a team took plus how much salary they are absorbing.