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NFT: Mets at Giants Game 2 deGrom

ZGiants98 : 7/19/2019 8:02 pm
Jeff McNeil – RF
Michael Conforto – CF
Pete Alonso – 1B
Robinson Canó – 2B
Wilson Ramos – C
Dominic Smith – LF
Amed Rosario – SS
Adeiny Hechavarría – 3B
Jacob deGrom – RHP

Last night's loss was brutal. Let's bounce back tonight! Bachelor and Nogosek up. Mazza and Guillorme down. Wheeler pitches third bullpen in a row. Might be back Tuesday. Harvey designated for assignment. LGM!
not a bad line-up.  
madgiantscow009 : 7/19/2019 8:29 pm : link
Cano sticks out like a sore thumb.
Matt Harvey...sad  
ChathamMark : 7/19/2019 9:49 pm : link
The Dark Night. Gave us a glimmer of hope in his time.

2012-15: 25-18, 2.53 ERA
2016-19: 19-31, 5.65 ERA
Matt Harvey should try to reinvent himself  
No Where Man : 7/19/2019 10:32 pm : link
as a Reliever.
Question for us Mets fans?  
No Where Man : 7/19/2019 11:32 pm : link
Next year would you try to convert Alonso to play 3B, to get Dom into the everyday lineup?
RE: Question for us Mets fans?  
ZGiants98 : 7/19/2019 11:42 pm : link
In comment 14502731 No Where Man said:
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Next year would you try to convert Alonso to play 3B, to get Dom into the everyday lineup?


Huh? What in the world are you talking about? lol. They are in the same lineup every day.
Another maddening game  
ZGiants98 : 7/19/2019 11:43 pm : link
Only this time they arent facing Bumgarner. Ugh...
RE: Question for us Mets fans?  
81_Great_Dane : 7/20/2019 12:16 am : link
In comment 14502731 No Where Man said:
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Next year would you try to convert Alonso to play 3B, to get Dom into the everyday lineup?
Shifts from an easier position to a harder one almost never work. And 1B is the easiest position on the diamond.

The Mets do have a problem, though: They have two promising young corner outfielders in Conforto and Nimmo, and three very good young infielders who need to play (McNeill, Davis and Smith) but are blocked, so they have to play out of position at the corner outfield positions, and their only true centerfielder (Lagares) is essentially below replacement level.

So I understand the question. Better to have Smith polish up his OF skills, clear a spot for McNeill or Davis or both in the infield.

Also not excited about Rosario to CF but he'd be better than Lagares...
The Rosario to CF stuff is nonsense.  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2019 12:22 am : link
Isnt going to happen while Nimmo is here. Nimmo will resume CF when he returns. Conforto will shift to RF and Dom will stay in LF. McNeil to 3B.
Should stop watching this game now  
ChaChing : 7/20/2019 12:40 am : link
Noah then JDG pitch superb games, so far 0 ER from the BP in what, 9 IP including Avilan today (yes outside of Mazza of course). 0-1 and this game well in the balance

Can't even bitch about the FO, or moves that could should be, this is just ridic, bad luck, shitty, whatever

And Jacob Rhame is coming to save the day, 4 pitch walk, and probably fewer guys available in the BP even if this moves to extras...

Sorry yesterday blew
I am furious at this offense right now...  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2019 12:44 am : link
Just completely shitting the bed. They've been scoring runs all year but as soon as the pitching starts evening out and pitching better they are going to stop hitting?? Pathetic.
Dom Smith has been quietly horrible for over a month  
PhiPsi125 : 7/20/2019 12:47 am : link
The dude is in a free fall.
RE: Dom Smith has been quietly horrible for over a month  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2019 12:50 am : link
In comment 14502750 PhiPsi125 said:
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The dude is in a free fall.


He had a pretty big day the other day but overall yeah.. Many guys have been struggling out of the break.
Rhame!  
ChaChing : 7/20/2019 12:50 am : link
Um...for all the times Mickey pulls guys / keeps them at 1 IP  
ChaChing : 7/20/2019 12:59 am : link
how does RHAME get another inning after 2 walks?
Right  
ChaChing : 7/20/2019 1:00 am : link
Walk #3
Just comical...  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2019 1:00 am : link
We have a 9 man pen right now.. Just called up two fresh arms (granted they arent good) but have virtually everyone available and we pushing Rhame to go 2 in the 10th lol?
wow  
ChaChing : 7/20/2019 1:05 am : link
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frazier even had a shot but panicked / rushed  
ChaChing : 7/20/2019 1:06 am : link
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JDG not getting an L  
ChaChing : 7/20/2019 1:07 am : link
is like a W for NYM

yay mets!
RE: Just comical...  
allstarjim : 7/20/2019 1:12 am : link
In comment 14502757 ZGiants98 said:
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We have a 9 man pen right now.. Just called up two fresh arms (granted they arent good) but have virtually everyone available and we pushing Rhame to go 2 in the 10th lol?


He got his outs. There is zero reason for Rosario to be running out into LF like a damn idiot up into Dom. Dom has to catch that, but Rosario made a routine ball much harder for him. I was watching him and wondering wtf was he doing. That's the LFers ball all the way, it's not even close.

And so the Mets choke another away because they are fucking chokers and it's what they do.
RE: RE: Just comical...  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2019 1:15 am : link
In comment 14502761 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14502757 ZGiants98 said:


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We have a 9 man pen right now.. Just called up two fresh arms (granted they arent good) but have virtually everyone available and we pushing Rhame to go 2 in the 10th lol?



He got his outs. There is zero reason for Rosario to be running out into LF like a damn idiot up into Dom. Dom has to catch that, but Rosario made a routine ball much harder for him. I was watching him and wondering wtf was he doing. That's the LFers ball all the way, it's not even close.

And so the Mets choke another away because they are fucking chokers and it's what they do.


Yup and on top of all that if Frazier makes a half way decent throw he probably has Dickenson dead to rights also. Just a fucking hodge podge of a fucking mess to end yet another miserable heart breaker. I seriously cant even count how many games we've lost like this this year. It's amazing. Ah well night all.
Just not a good baseball team  
Metnut : 7/20/2019 8:24 am : link
This should end any talk of playoffs in 2019. An absolute embarrassment to see this franchise waste DeGrom’s and not make it back to the playoffs after 2015.
Mets cant hit  
XBRONX : 7/20/2019 9:06 am : link
Beede LOL
A couple sobering stats from yesterday  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2019 10:31 am : link
This first one is from Peter Botte (SNY) and makes you think "how is this even possible?":
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Jacob deGrom has a 2.18 ERA over 52 starts the last two seasons.

He has 15 wins.


Then you read this one from Mark Simon (sports info solutions) and also remember how bad this BP is:
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Mets entered the day at -58 Defensive Runs Saved, worst in the NL

They were 30 runs behind the next-closest NL team (Nationals, -28)


At least it was a decent night on the farm. Mauricio had a big game and Dibrell had a halfway decent debut in AA.
Mets Daily Prospect Report, 7/20/19 - ( New Window )
The collective failure of anyone from the system to help so far  
Defenderdawg : 7/20/2019 10:44 am : link
0 0 0 O’Rourke 1.1 0 1 3 0.00
0 0 0 Sewald 7.0 5 4 2 3.86
0 0 0 Peterson 7.1 7 3 7 4.91
0 1 0 Mazza 8.2 13 6 2 5.19
0 3 0 Bashlor 11.2 10 12 7 5.40
0 1 0 Rhame 5.0 3 3 8 5.40
0 0 0 Zamora 6.1 9 6 4 5.68
0 3 0 Flexen 12.2 14 10 13 6.92
3 1 0 Gagnon 20.0 26 16 7 7.65
0 0 0 Nogosek 4.2 7 3 2 7.71
0 1 0 Lockett 7.2 10 6 3 11.74
0 1 0 Oswalt 6.2 9 5 6 12.15

Doesn’t include: Santiago 1 0 0 6.75, 1 0 0 Pounders 7.1 8 5 2 6.14


RE: The collective failure of anyone from the system to help so far  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14502846 Defenderdawg said:
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0 0 0 O’Rourke 1.1 0 1 3 0.00
0 0 0 Sewald 7.0 5 4 2 3.86
0 0 0 Peterson 7.1 7 3 7 4.91
0 1 0 Mazza 8.2 13 6 2 5.19
0 3 0 Bashlor 11.2 10 12 7 5.40
0 1 0 Rhame 5.0 3 3 8 5.40
0 0 0 Zamora 6.1 9 6 4 5.68
0 3 0 Flexen 12.2 14 10 13 6.92
3 1 0 Gagnon 20.0 26 16 7 7.65
0 0 0 Nogosek 4.2 7 3 2 7.71
0 1 0 Lockett 7.2 10 6 3 11.74
0 1 0 Oswalt 6.2 9 5 6 12.15

Doesn’t include: Santiago 1 0 0 6.75, 1 0 0 Pounders 7.1 8 5 2 6.14



It's an issue but all of those guys are AAAA jags. There's a reason most of them are closing in on 30 and aren't full time major leaguers.

The fact that the guys they traded assets for are the worst of all (Lockett, Pounders, and Font when he was here) is disheartening. And also not recognizing this reality before the season and doing more to sign players better than Avilan and Santiago for depth.
Mets playing great today!  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2019 6:13 pm : link
Of course it comes after they probably put their nail in their coffin with the last two extra innings losses. Ugh...

Anyways, Lockett looked great, Wilson continues to be the lynchpin in the bullpen's revitalization.. even Bashlor looks good.

Dom, McNeil, Alonso, and Frazier having big games.
Good thing we traded Addison Reed  
Mike in NY : 7/20/2019 6:55 pm : link
For Nogosek, Gerson Bautista, and Jamie Callahan
RE: Good thing we traded Addison Reed  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2019 7:20 pm : link
In comment 14502994 Mike in NY said:
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For Nogosek, Gerson Bautista, and Jamie Callahan


All three pitched in the majors which is more than you can say for some prospects! In this case it truly was the culmination of the entire pack of everyone we traded for (10 players or so acquired) in an upside lottery type play. The hope was maybe 1-2 you strike on. Also, some of these kids are still in AA (Ryder Ryan) so the book isnt written yet.
Kevin Smith had a good debut in Bing (5.2 inn, 3h, 4bb, 1k, 2er, W)  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2019 10:40 pm : link
none are exciting high end arms but Dibrell/Peterson/Smith in AA is at least hopefully some org depth starting to build up (plus Kay). If they can get enough cheap depth out of those guys over the next several years and sign the big 3 they should be able to pump a lot more money into the BP.

The last 2 years drafts were really something - Tanous & crew are basically the only functioning aspect of the entire org.
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