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Leonard: Unsigned Ximines reported, Jones not yet

Defenderdawg : 7/20/2019 12:17 pm
Pat Leonard (@PLeonardNYDN)
7/20/19, 10:05 AM
FYI: Third-round pick DE Oshane Ximines, one of two unsigned 2019 Giants draft picks along with QB Daniel Jones, reported to #Giants this A.M

Patricia Traina (@Patricia_Traina)
7/20/19, 10:08 AM
Contract signings must be imminent
Always beware  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/20/2019 12:21 pm : link
When you draft a kid who majored in Finance or Econ...
RE: Always beware  
Jimmy Googs : 7/20/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14502885 BlueLou'sBack said:
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When you draft a kid who majored in Finance or Econ...


Yep, sloppy diligence by DG there...
I’ll repeat the question I asked on the...  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/20/2019 12:44 pm : link
now deleted thread...what is the issue with Jones? he’s slotted for #6 pick money...is it contract language?
RE: I’ll repeat the question I asked on the...  
Klaatu : 7/20/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14502893 Mike in St. Louis said:
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now deleted thread...what is the issue with Jones? he’s slotted for #6 pick money...is it contract language?


I don't think anyone here really knows.
Jones can show up Monday and sign  
DavidinBMNY : 7/20/2019 1:01 pm : link
Right?
RE: I’ll repeat the question I asked on the...  
Nine-Tails : 7/20/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14502893 Mike in St. Louis said:
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now deleted thread...what is the issue with Jones? he’s slotted for #6 pick money...is it contract language?


Giants saw his Madden rating and are low balling him
RE: Jones can show up Monday and sign  
Jay on the Island : 7/20/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14502897 DavidinBMNY said:
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Right?

Yes he can. I am not worried at all. Jones wants to get going and I doubt he would start off his tenure by holding out.
RE: RE: Jones can show up Monday and sign  
Blue21 : 7/20/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14502907 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14502897 DavidinBMNY said:


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Right?


Yes he can. I am not worried at all. Jones wants to get going and I doubt he would start off his tenure by holding out.


I can't imagine he won't sign. Big mistake by him and his agent IMO if he didn't. He needs to get fans behind him. I'm very confident something will happen today or tomorrow
before camp. I sure DG knows this needs to happen too. No one wants or needs egg on their face.
RE: I’ll repeat the question I asked on the...  
TrueBlue56 : 7/20/2019 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14502893 Mike in St. Louis said:
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now deleted thread...what is the issue with Jones? he’s slotted for #6 pick money...is it contract language?


The salary is slotted by draft position. Usually it's just contract language like off setting money and or guaranteed money. Not much of a story here unless they remain unsigned by the end of the week.

Bosa is an example of a player who held out on the chargers due to off set language in contract offer.
RE: RE: RE: Jones can show up Monday and sign  
Jay on the Island : 7/20/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14502909 Blue21 said:
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In comment 14502907 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 14502897 DavidinBMNY said:


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Right?


Yes he can. I am not worried at all. Jones wants to get going and I doubt he would start off his tenure by holding out.



I can't imagine he won't sign. Big mistake by him and his agent IMO if he didn't. He needs to get fans behind him. I'm very confident something will happen today or tomorrow
before camp. I sure DG knows this needs to happen too. No one wants or needs egg on their face.

I would be shocked if he did. Another thing to consider is that Jones didn't expect to go 6th overall so his contract is bigger than he anticipated on draft day. He's not the kind of person that will want to miss time due to a disagreement over guaranteed money or offset language.
nothing to see here.  
Karl Hungus : 7/20/2019 2:33 pm : link
Owners have players by the balls for the first five years of their career.
Devin White just Signed  
Defenderdawg : 7/20/2019 2:35 pm : link
Rick Stroud (@NFLSTROUD)
7/20/19, 1:31 PM
Bucs have agreed to terms with Devin White, the fifth overall pick.
Only four  
XBRONX : 7/20/2019 4:48 pm : link
unsigned first rounders.
I can't imagine what deal points might be outstanding.  
81_Great_Dane : 7/20/2019 5:20 pm : link
What is there to negotiate at this stage? Neither side is going to want a longer deal than the standard term. Salary is by slot, isn't it? Fringes are set by the CBA. What's left?
RE: I can't imagine what deal points might be outstanding.  
Jay on the Island : 7/20/2019 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14502967 81_Great_Dane said:
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What is there to negotiate at this stage? Neither side is going to want a longer deal than the standard term. Salary is by slot, isn't it? Fringes are set by the CBA. What's left?

Guaranteed money, offset language, etc.
I can't remember the therm ...  
short lease : 7/20/2019 5:47 pm : link
Offset language? ... yes they are slotted but, some of these guys want it written a certain way fro protection I guess.

The first time I heard the term was when Bosa held out with Chargers. Forgot what it was though.
RE: I can't remember the therm ...  
short lease : 7/20/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14502973 short lease said:
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Offset language? ... yes they are slotted but, some of these guys want it written a certain way fro protection I guess.

The first time I heard the term was when Bosa held out with Chargers. Forgot what it was though.


therm = term.
Yeah - it is offset .  
short lease : 7/20/2019 5:55 pm : link
"Although the negotiation of offset language might potentially delay a rookie’s signing, the offsets rarely come into play, since few top picks flame out badly enough that they’re released during their first four seasons. And even in those rare instances, if a player has performed poorly enough to be cut in his first few years, he likely won’t sign a lucrative deal elsewhere, so offset language wouldn’t help his old club recover more than perhaps the league minimum."

Now, I have no idea what the delay is in his signing but, this could be it. Not sure why though. It seems like they get their full amount whether it comes from 1 team or 2 teams?
RE: RE: I’ll repeat the question I asked on the...  
eric2425ny : 7/20/2019 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14502902 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14502893 Mike in St. Louis said:


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now deleted thread...what is the issue with Jones? he’s slotted for #6 pick money...is it contract language?



Giants saw his Madden rating and are low balling him


Lol, awesome.
RE: Yeah - it is offset .  
ron mexico : 7/20/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14502975 short lease said:
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"Although the negotiation of offset language might potentially delay a rookie’s signing, the offsets rarely come into play, since few top picks flame out badly enough that they’re released during their first four seasons. And even in those rare instances, if a player has performed poorly enough to be cut in his first few years, he likely won’t sign a lucrative deal elsewhere, so offset language wouldn’t help his old club recover more than perhaps the league minimum."

Now, I have no idea what the delay is in his signing but, this could be it. Not sure why though. It seems like they get their full amount whether it comes from 1 team or 2 teams?


If the player avoids offset language, they could potentially earn more than 100% of their rookie contract.

Can rookies get no trade clauses? Given the pegs statement that Eli could continue to play for a number of years he might want one to be able to control where he goes if they stick with Eli.
Maybe he’s looking for ‘combat pay’ for having to...  
Spider56 : 7/20/2019 6:37 pm : link
Put up with the idiot media and fans in NY.
didn't Barkley  
bc4life : 7/20/2019 6:55 pm : link
sign first day of camp?
Eli’s agent trying to give him a head start.  
V.I.G. : 7/21/2019 7:21 am : link
I KID, I KID.
Abrams knows all there is too know about contracts and terms.  
TMS : 7/21/2019 11:14 am : link
We are in good hands.
typically offset language  
Joey from GlenCove : 7/21/2019 11:20 am : link
probably worth their time to keep jones happy

.  
Anakim : 7/21/2019 11:58 am : link
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan

Unsigned third-round pick Oshane Ximines has an agreement in place on his rookie contract, per source. Deal is expected to be signed Monday morning when Giants rookies and select veterans report.
Eli advised him to wait  
Rudy5757 : 7/22/2019 9:09 am : link
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