I have 2 sources i normally hear from, one is better than the other and this info is from the source that is less accurate so here it goes. He told me Jones will sign in the next 24 to 48 hours.
It better be sooner than that otherwise it is a fail Â
the lesser Bosa, Quinnen Williams and Jones among them.
I have no doubt Jones' contract announcement is forthcoming.
Bosa and Williams might be a while.
Sorry, didn’t know about him not signing until now. Aren’t these rookie deals predetermined now?
Most important terms are about the 5th year option, otherwise the first four years are scaled. Nothing to worry about, I’d be surprised if he isn’t signed in the next couple days regardless of this ‘rumor.’
As I said earlier, it would be stupid by both sides not to get this done as soon as possible. But, there is not much Daniel Jones can ask for and the Giants aren't a franchise that fucks their players around.
Sorry, didn’t know about him not signing until now. Aren’t these rookie deals predetermined now?
Most important terms are about the 5th year option, otherwise the first four years are scaled. Nothing to worry about, I’d be surprised if he isn’t signed in the next couple days regardless of this ‘rumor.’
Sorry, didn’t know about him not signing until now. Aren’t these rookie deals predetermined now?
Most important terms are about the 5th year option, otherwise the first four years are scaled. Nothing to worry about, I’d be surprised if he isn’t signed in the next couple days regardless of this ‘rumor.’
Sorry, didn’t know about him not signing until now. Aren’t these rookie deals predetermined now?
Most important terms are about the 5th year option, otherwise the first four years are scaled. Nothing to worry about, I’d be surprised if he isn’t signed in the next couple days regardless of this ‘rumor.’
Seems like 5th year option would be important to him. He will be underpaid at the point.
I thought that's fixed by the last CBA as well, and it's dependent only on the position and draft slot.
As a QB and the 6th overall pick, Jones has got it made in terms of the 5th year option already. It will be at a premium to due both his position and slot...
Correct me if I am wrong, but there's a formula for picks 1-5, another one for picks 6-10, and then a third one for picks 11-32.
Lawrence and Baker both will have worse terms for their 5th year options at lesser positions, than Jones will have.
The overall value is basically done now with the scale. Another thing could be how the contract is structured meaning whem the player gets paid but I am not sure aboug that.
The overall value is basically done now with the scale. Another thing could be how the contract is structured meaning whem the player gets paid but I am not sure aboug that.
3. WHEN the money (signing bonus, etc.) will be paid out
RE: What is there to negotiate about the fifth year option? Â
I thought that's fixed by the last CBA as well, and it's dependent only on the position and draft slot.
As a QB and the 6th overall pick, Jones has got it made in terms of the 5th year option already. It will be at a premium to due both his position and slot...
Correct me if I am wrong, but there's a formula for picks 1-5, another one for picks 6-10, and then a third one for picks 11-32.
Lawrence and Baker both will have worse terms for their 5th year options at lesser positions, than Jones will have.
Just a correction. The 5th year option for picks 1-10 are determined by the transition tag value at the player's position during the 4th year. The 5th year option for picks 11-32 is determined by the average of the top 3rd to the 25th player's salaries (basically the top 3 aren't factored in to the calculation) at the player's position during the 4th year. By factoring in the lower tier salaries and eliminating the top salaries, the 5th year option for picks 11-32 will be skewed.
RE: RE: There are basically 2 things to negotiate Â
The overall value is basically done now with the scale. Another thing could be how the contract is structured meaning whem the player gets paid but I am not sure aboug that.
3. WHEN the money (signing bonus, etc.) will be paid out
This last point is often overlooked. Many assume that when a player signs a contract, they get a transfer of money into their account. When in reality, some clubs defer the payment on a schedule. The CBA mandates that the owners must fund an escrow account with the signing/guaranteed money. But the escrow is not always paid out as one would expect.
Sorry, didn’t know about him not signing until now. Aren’t these rookie deals predetermined now?
Most important terms are about the 5th year option, otherwise the first four years are scaled. Nothing to worry about, I’d be surprised if he isn’t signed in the next couple days regardless of this ‘rumor.’
Don't rookies report tomorrow?
Aren't those separate topics?
Jones has practiced at the facility already (you don't need contact to rupture a ligament).
He can show tomorrow while details are worked out over the next few days (and his agent can buy some short term insurance).
Sorry, didn’t know about him not signing until now. Aren’t these rookie deals predetermined now?
Most important terms are about the 5th year option, otherwise the first four years are scaled. Nothing to worry about, I’d be surprised if he isn’t signed in the next couple days regardless of this ‘rumor.’
Don't rookies report tomorrow?
Aren't those separate topics?
Jones has practiced at the facility already (you don't need contact to rupture a ligament).
He can show tomorrow while details are worked out over the next few days (and his agent can buy some short term insurance).
You are correct that a player could show up but thks is what matters not OTAs. If a contract hasn't been signed yet it isn't because it hasn't been written up. It is because the player and team disagree hence the player holding out. How many draft picks show up at this stage of the game when the contract isn't signed? It has to be zero.
all rookie contracts are fully guaranteed for first 4 year A fifth year guaranty is absurd since team has a 5th syear option it can decide not to exercise and once it does 5th year is fully guaranteed. Offset language is very important to a team drafting in the first 10 picks, because those are the players who get resigned by other clubs even after an epic fail, and sometimes for incentive laden deals that would really benefit their initial team.
all rookie contracts are fully guaranteed for first 4 year A fifth year guaranty is absurd since team has a 5th syear option it can decide not to exercise and once it does 5th year is fully guaranteed. Offset language is very important to a team drafting in the first 10 picks, because those are the players who get resigned by other clubs even after an epic fail, and sometimes for incentive laden deals that would really benefit their initial team.
Just a small clarification. The 5th year option is guaranteed once it is picked up. The 5th year option is guaranteed for injury only and once the player passes a physical and remains on the roster at the start of the league year.
For example, a team can pick up the 5th year option in May of the 4th year. If that player gets injured and can't pass the physical in March, the 5th year is guaranteed. If the player ends their 4th year healthy and passes the physical in March, the team at that point decides to retain him on the roster. If the team releases him, the player becomes a FA and the 5th year option is rescinded.
all rookie contracts are fully guaranteed for first 4 year A fifth year guaranty is absurd since team has a 5th syear option it can decide not to exercise and once it does 5th year is fully guaranteed. Offset language is very important to a team drafting in the first 10 picks, because those are the players who get resigned by other clubs even after an epic fail, and sometimes for incentive laden deals that would really benefit their initial team.
Just a small clarification. The 5th year option is Not guaranteed once it is picked up. The 5th year option is guaranteed for injury only and once the player passes a physical and remains on the roster at the start of the league year.
For example, a team can pick up the 5th year option in May of the 4th year. If that player gets injured and can't pass the physical in March, the 5th year is guaranteed. If the player ends their 4th year healthy and passes the physical in March, the team at that point decides to retain him on the roster. If the team releases him, the player becomes a FA and the 5th year option is rescinded.
Corrected. I really need to start proofreading my posts.
RE: I just don't think this looks good for D Jones Â
get it done and report with everyone else, or risk starting out on the wrong foot. no matter what he misses or doesn't miss it's a bad look, imo.
Too early to worry like this, IMO. By all accounts he was present and working hard all offseason. Let’s see what time (if any) he misses before raising red flag
I have no doubt Jones' contract announcement is forthcoming.
Bosa and Williams might be a while.
Most important terms are about the 5th year option, otherwise the first four years are scaled. Nothing to worry about, I’d be surprised if he isn’t signed in the next couple days regardless of this ‘rumor.’
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Sorry, didn’t know about him not signing until now. Aren’t these rookie deals predetermined now?
Most important terms are about the 5th year option, otherwise the first four years are scaled. Nothing to worry about, I’d be surprised if he isn’t signed in the next couple days regardless of this ‘rumor.’
Don't rookies report tomorrow?
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Sorry, didn’t know about him not signing until now. Aren’t these rookie deals predetermined now?
Most important terms are about the 5th year option, otherwise the first four years are scaled. Nothing to worry about, I’d be surprised if he isn’t signed in the next couple days regardless of this ‘rumor.’
Thanks Darren!
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Sorry, didn’t know about him not signing until now. Aren’t these rookie deals predetermined now?
Most important terms are about the 5th year option, otherwise the first four years are scaled. Nothing to worry about, I’d be surprised if he isn’t signed in the next couple days regardless of this ‘rumor.’
Seems like 5th year option would be important to him. He will be underpaid at the point.
A fifth year? He might be gone by then.
As a QB and the 6th overall pick, Jones has got it made in terms of the 5th year option already. It will be at a premium to due both his position and slot...
Correct me if I am wrong, but there's a formula for picks 1-5, another one for picks 6-10, and then a third one for picks 11-32.
Lawrence and Baker both will have worse terms for their 5th year options at lesser positions, than Jones will have.
2. Fully guaranteed mone
The overall value is basically done now with the scale. Another thing could be how the contract is structured meaning whem the player gets paid but I am not sure aboug that.
2. Fully guaranteed mone
The overall value is basically done now with the scale. Another thing could be how the contract is structured meaning whem the player gets paid but I am not sure aboug that.
3. WHEN the money (signing bonus, etc.) will be paid out
As a QB and the 6th overall pick, Jones has got it made in terms of the 5th year option already. It will be at a premium to due both his position and slot...
Correct me if I am wrong, but there's a formula for picks 1-5, another one for picks 6-10, and then a third one for picks 11-32.
Lawrence and Baker both will have worse terms for their 5th year options at lesser positions, than Jones will have.
Just a correction. The 5th year option for picks 1-10 are determined by the transition tag value at the player's position during the 4th year. The 5th year option for picks 11-32 is determined by the average of the top 3rd to the 25th player's salaries (basically the top 3 aren't factored in to the calculation) at the player's position during the 4th year. By factoring in the lower tier salaries and eliminating the top salaries, the 5th year option for picks 11-32 will be skewed.
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1. Offset language
2. Fully guaranteed mone
The overall value is basically done now with the scale. Another thing could be how the contract is structured meaning whem the player gets paid but I am not sure aboug that.
3. WHEN the money (signing bonus, etc.) will be paid out
This last point is often overlooked. Many assume that when a player signs a contract, they get a transfer of money into their account. When in reality, some clubs defer the payment on a schedule. The CBA mandates that the owners must fund an escrow account with the signing/guaranteed money. But the escrow is not always paid out as one would expect.
"But, I am the hunted one"
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Sorry, didn’t know about him not signing until now. Aren’t these rookie deals predetermined now?
Most important terms are about the 5th year option, otherwise the first four years are scaled. Nothing to worry about, I’d be surprised if he isn’t signed in the next couple days regardless of this ‘rumor.’
Don't rookies report tomorrow?
Aren't those separate topics?
Jones has practiced at the facility already (you don't need contact to rupture a ligament).
He can show tomorrow while details are worked out over the next few days (and his agent can buy some short term insurance).
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In comment 14503282 eric2425ny said:
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Sorry, didn’t know about him not signing until now. Aren’t these rookie deals predetermined now?
Most important terms are about the 5th year option, otherwise the first four years are scaled. Nothing to worry about, I’d be surprised if he isn’t signed in the next couple days regardless of this ‘rumor.’
Don't rookies report tomorrow?
Aren't those separate topics?
Jones has practiced at the facility already (you don't need contact to rupture a ligament).
He can show tomorrow while details are worked out over the next few days (and his agent can buy some short term insurance).
You are correct that a player could show up but thks is what matters not OTAs. If a contract hasn't been signed yet it isn't because it hasn't been written up. It is because the player and team disagree hence the player holding out. How many draft picks show up at this stage of the game when the contract isn't signed? It has to be zero.
They were also the same group representing the last 1st rd picks to sign their deals last season too.
Just a small clarification. The 5th year option is guaranteed once it is picked up. The 5th year option is guaranteed for injury only and once the player passes a physical and remains on the roster at the start of the league year.
For example, a team can pick up the 5th year option in May of the 4th year. If that player gets injured and can't pass the physical in March, the 5th year is guaranteed. If the player ends their 4th year healthy and passes the physical in March, the team at that point decides to retain him on the roster. If the team releases him, the player becomes a FA and the 5th year option is rescinded.
They were also the same group representing the last 1st rd picks to sign their deals last season too.
Yes.
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all rookie contracts are fully guaranteed for first 4 year A fifth year guaranty is absurd since team has a 5th syear option it can decide not to exercise and once it does 5th year is fully guaranteed. Offset language is very important to a team drafting in the first 10 picks, because those are the players who get resigned by other clubs even after an epic fail, and sometimes for incentive laden deals that would really benefit their initial team.
Just a small clarification. The 5th year option is Not guaranteed once it is picked up. The 5th year option is guaranteed for injury only and once the player passes a physical and remains on the roster at the start of the league year.
For example, a team can pick up the 5th year option in May of the 4th year. If that player gets injured and can't pass the physical in March, the 5th year is guaranteed. If the player ends their 4th year healthy and passes the physical in March, the team at that point decides to retain him on the roster. If the team releases him, the player becomes a FA and the 5th year option is rescinded.
Corrected. I really need to start proofreading my posts.
Too early to worry like this, IMO. By all accounts he was present and working hard all offseason. Let’s see what time (if any) he misses before raising red flag