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OBJ in GQ: Respect for Mara, not DG; kept brand alive

Defenderdawg : 7/22/2019 9:10 am
Green GQ: Odell Beckham Jr., Unguarded

“Are you worried about the OBJ brand shrinking by playing in a smaller market like Cleveland?
I forever will have love for the New York fans. They gave me my first home. But there's this sense of entitlement—like I was made there. And in my head, that was the first place I had the opportunity to show the world what God had set out for me to do. It didn't matter where I was at. Now, did it help that it was Sunday Night Football for the New York Giants versus the Dallas Cowboys? One thousand percent. But The Catch happened around the entire world. I feel like it wouldn't matter where I was at—once you got hooked onto who I was and what I was doing. And who knows? If I was in another place, you don't know if the numbers would've been more or less.”

Did you like the added pressure that comes from playing for a New York team?
I loved it. Not for attention purposes. I just loved New Yorkers. They're such a unique group of people. Good or bad. It's both sides. But God made me. You know what I mean? God made me. That's just where he gave me my first opportunity to show where I was at. It was like lightning struck for me. I remember looking on Instagram after the game [with The Catch] and my followers went up, like, 100K. I was like, This is crazy. And then the next week, going into practice, 200K. It was going at a rate that I was like: If you were to ask me five years ago if I would've had 13 million followers on Instagram, I would've told you, “Nah—no way I would have 13 million followers.”

Do you think there's any validity to the criticism that you're not a good teammate?
You can literally ask any one of my teammates. My on-the-field football never gets talked about unless people are talking about antics. They don't talk about numbers. Where's the reel at? People only want to focus on one thing. I feel like I'm one of the only people in the NFL where my personal life and my brand are the only things that get talked about. They'll do a whole segment about the car that I have on ESPN. Why? I've never been arrested. Never have and never will be putting my hands on a woman. I've never done any crimes. I've never done anything but some little petty, dumb stuff that we keep harping on. They asked, how could I have changed if I didn't go to OTAs? I have to be the very best me to help my team. We don't get paid to be at OTAs. If you want players to be there, make it mandatory and pay them. I got traded to a new team, I already paid to live here in L.A. for the entire summer. Are the Giants or Cleveland going to reimburse me for what I've already paid? Are they going to reimburse my trainers, who I've already paid? Are they going to reimburse me for the dogs who I've had to put in kennels? There's a lot of expenses. Are they going to pay for the rehab I was doing? No. They don't do all of that. That stuff is all on our own. So when it gets time for us to have our own life outside of football, they say something. When the game is done with you, they chew you up, spit you out. You're done. You're done. I have to take care of myself and my family. Period. I talk to everybody in the locker room. When someone gives me free stuff, I ask them to send a hundred of them for my teammates. A hundred Sprayground bags… They put them in the locker room. I asked for them to send me Casper mattresses. They sent me 100 Casper mattresses for the staff and the team.

It seemed like the general consensus among New Yorkers was that the Giants didn't get enough for you in that trade.
I didn't care what they got for the trade.
Where were you when you got the news?
I was in Paris heading to dinner. I saw the calls and was like, “Wow, I wonder where I'm going.” They had been talking about trading me. They could never get past my past. There's always that past that whatever happened, I would never be able to outgrow it. That's why I don't try to bring none of this to Cleveland. I don't even care. When I get there, this is a fresh start for me.

But how'd you feel in that exact moment?
My initial reaction was not disappointment.… I felt disrespected. Like, after everything I've done for them. This is me being honest: This team has not been good for the last six years. Period. Even the year we went to the playoffs and everyone was talking about this and that. And we went there, and I didn't have a great playoff game. Don't get me wrong, I had a terrible game. But I left the game with seven targets, and I'm supposed to be your number one receiver. I left the game with seven targets. We lost. They scored 40 points. It's just all bad. I felt disrespected, because I felt like I was a main reason at keeping that brand alive. They were getting prime-time games, still, as a 5-and-11 team. Why? Because people want to see the show. You want to see me play. That's just real rap. I'm not sitting here like, “It's because of me.” But let's just be real. That's why we're still getting prime-time games. I felt disrespected they weren't even man enough to even sit me down to my face and tell me what's going on.

Who, specifically, is “they”? The G.M.?
The G.M. And I'll forever have respect for [Giants president and CEO] Mr. Mara. Everything he's ever done for me, he's shown nothing but love. Even when we were having our talks, it was coming from a place of love. I could always feel it. So I'll forever have respect for him. But then to be called like that and then be texted by your coach and be like, “Oh, yeah, I heard the news.” Yeah, you heard the news? It happened because of you. The reason I'm gone is because of you. It was just tough because of the way I initially felt. On the other side of it, I was excited about a new start because I had been—honestly, I had been praying to God the season before this season for a change.
You felt like you just couldn't play there anymore.
I can't do this anymore. I just can't do it. I wasn't happy. I wasn't in a good place. And like I told you earlier, I feel like everything is about happiness, and I just was not. And even thinking about my car: I had ordered that car in December.”
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Dude..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 9:15 am : link
still hasn't gotten over being traded.

But man, if you really want to shake your head, he thinks he's the reason the Giants were still on TV:

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But I left the game with seven targets, and I'm supposed to be your number one receiver. I left the game with seven targets. We lost. They scored 40 points. It's just all bad. I felt disrespected, because I felt like I was a main reason at keeping that brand alive. They were getting prime-time games, still, as a 5-and-11 team.


He's bitching about the lack of touches in a playoff game where he dropped two first quarter TD's?? And that he "kept the brand alive".

I wanted OBJ to stay here, but it is clear it was the best move to ship his ass out - especially to Cleveland.
This quote talking about the Playoff game  
Matt in SGS : 7/22/2019 9:15 am : link
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But I left the game with seven targets, and I'm supposed to be your number one receiver. I left the game with seven targets. We lost. They scored 40 points. It's just all bad. I felt disrespected, because I felt like I was a main reason at keeping that brand alive.



is why the Giants traded him and turned the wheel over to Saquon and a new QB either this year or next year. It wasn't going to end well with Odell. I give him 1 year before he tries to force his way to LA from Cleveland. Getting a young starter, a 1 and a 3 for Odell was about as good as the Giants could have done.
dammit Fatman  
Matt in SGS : 7/22/2019 9:16 am : link
you read into the same thing I did.
Why sigh the extension before last season  
The_Boss : 7/22/2019 9:16 am : link
If you were praying to God for a change?
Dude just doesn't get it  
figgy2989 : 7/22/2019 9:17 am : link
He doesn't take any responsibility for his own actions.
RE: Why sigh the extension before last season  
The_Boss : 7/22/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14503553 The_Boss said:
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If you were praying to God for a change?


Reread his quote...he wanted out during the season. Disregard.
If..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 9:18 am : link
somebody really wanted to leave NY as badly as he says, he wouldn't be so pissed at how the news broke.

Were people really supposed to approach Odell before making a move so he could blast it out to Twitter? afterall, he seemingly keeps up with how many followers he has.
Take responsibility  
crick n NC : 7/22/2019 9:19 am : link
For your actions, forget what other's responsibilities were. Expect nothing.
Helpful  
Karl Hungus : 7/22/2019 9:20 am : link
Info...
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He’s an idiot  
dep026 : 7/22/2019 9:20 am : link
Always has been, always will be.
Guy..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 9:22 am : link
brags about being in Paris going to dinner when he heard the news, yet complains they didn't tell him face-to-face.

He really is delusional.
And reading this  
Matt in SGS : 7/22/2019 9:23 am : link
you know more of why Baker Mayfield as to kiss this guys ass and put his thing out there about Giants fans. He's bitching about getting 7 passes in a playoff game in which he blew chunks, and you are going to put him on a team with Landry, Njoku, Chubb, Hunt, etc. Constant need to stroke this guy's ego and kiss his ass.

Giants read the situation correctly that he was going to be a problem for Saquon and a new QB. We should thank Antonio Brown for pulling the shit he did, he helped the Giants maximize the return on Odell.
He's right about prime time  
bronxct1 : 7/22/2019 9:23 am : link
He's 100% correct about the prime time game situation. There was no reason for that team to be getting 5 prime time games a year being that bad. The networks wanted OBJ in the spotlight.

It comes off as a bit bitter but I don't think he's really wrong in most of what he said. It doesn't matter what he does he'll get criticized anyway.
RE: He's right about prime time  
Big Rick in FL : 7/22/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14503566 bronxct1 said:
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He's 100% correct about the prime time game situation. There was no reason for that team to be getting 5 prime time games a year being that bad. The networks wanted OBJ in the spotlight.

It comes off as a bit bitter but I don't think he's really wrong in most of what he said. It doesn't matter what he does he'll get criticized anyway.


No he's not. The Giants are on prime time games with or without Odell. Always have been. Especially with Saquon.
Most of the Giants..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 9:27 am : link
Prime Time games have been for divisional rivalries. Washington has been getting 4-5 Prime Time games a year too.

When you almost always have a game against Dallas and Washington in Prime Time, then get one against the Saints, Viking or Packers (as much due to the reputation of the other teams), it isn't just because of Odell. The Jets have gotten several Prime Time games too.

A lot of it is market-size based.
RE: He's right about prime time  
Matt in SGS : 7/22/2019 9:28 am : link
In comment 14503566 bronxct1 said:
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He's 100% correct about the prime time game situation. There was no reason for that team to be getting 5 prime time games a year being that bad. The networks wanted OBJ in the spotlight.

It comes off as a bit bitter but I don't think he's really wrong in most of what he said. It doesn't matter what he does he'll get criticized anyway.


He was the "brand", no question. And going into 2018, he was no longer "brand". He was part of the co-brand with Saquon. Saquon took over as the new face of the team and the best player on the team by the end of the year. I'm just shocked he didn't shit on Eli. But we saw how he felt about Shurmur and Gettleman.
I can't wait for this season to start  
Biteymax22 : 7/22/2019 9:29 am : link
So the first time something doesn't go his way in Cleveland he stops complaining about us and starts complaining about the Browns.

As for the narrative about him being a good teammate: It's possible to be well liked in the locker room, but still be a bad influence. The fact that he was able to convince his fellow receivers to join him on a boat in Miami right before a playoff game shows me this is probably the case with him.
He's nothing but a self absorbed  
Ryan in Albany : 7/22/2019 9:30 am : link
whiner.

So glad he's gone.
I'm sure if Gettleman  
Harvest Blend : 7/22/2019 9:34 am : link
read this he's a wreck right now. :)
Par for the course from OBJ  
mfsd : 7/22/2019 9:35 am : link
Used “I” and “Me” about 50-60 times, and used “We” only once that I saw.

Brilliantly talented player. But simply fact is he views himself and his “brand” as bigger than the team. Grousing about only getting 7 targets in his one playoff game is exhibit A
New York is still largest market  
George from PA : 7/22/2019 9:36 am : link
And why they are on prime time games.

Cleveland starts losing....see how many prime time games they get
Unless I'm forgetting, he  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/22/2019 9:37 am : link
had some big time drops in that playoff game.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 9:38 am : link
I loved it, but not for attention purposes! But them my answer is going to be all about attention metrics....

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I loved it. Not for attention purposes. I just loved New Yorkers. They're such a unique group of people. Good or bad. It's both sides. But God made me. You know what I mean? God made me. That's just where he gave me my first opportunity to show where I was at. It was like lightning struck for me. I remember looking on Instagram after the game [with The Catch] and my followers went up, like, 100K. I was like, This is crazy. And then the next week, going into practice, 200K. It was going at a rate that I was like: If you were to ask me five years ago if I would've had 13 million followers on Instagram, I would've told you, “Nah—no way I would have 13 million followers.”
At the end of the day  
Matt in SGS : 7/22/2019 9:38 am : link
the Giants made the right move from a business standpoint for their team. Gettleman wasn't brought here to find a way to make the Reese team work. His job was to blow it up and start over. When you are a losing team for 7 straight years (2016 was an aberration) you need to start it over.

Drafting Saquon at #2 signaled that the Giants were going to change the way their team was built. They were going to focus more on a running game and feature him. The changes to the offensive line, to bring in maulers rather than the "finesse" guys that Reese brought in was another signal.

Odell was not going to be the focus of the offense anymore. He was second banana to Saquon. I honestly hoped they would find a way to make it work in 2019 with both of them and trade Odell before 2020. But I think as it became clear that they were going to go for a QB in the first round this year, they made the decision that the combination of Saquon and a new franchise QB coming in, it was time to send Odell and his drama packing.

We all know he wants to go to LA. The Rams tried to get him for 20 cents on the dollar 2 years ago. I'm sure it was probably a combination of the Rams people and Odell's people making that happen. As he saw fewer passes in 2019, Odell would have done another ESPN interview and started shit again.

The more he talks, the smarter Gettleman looks.
It is not a bad article  
hitdog42 : 7/22/2019 9:43 am : link
or interview. a guy being honest (in his point of view)-- the only issue with the article is he could have emphasized his bad game more then the 7 targets... cause he did suck. but he still said he played poor.
everything else- is at least interesting honest perspective.
Odell talks about that meaningless catch against the Cowboys  
bceagle05 : 7/22/2019 9:43 am : link
more than Tyree talks about the Helmet Catch.
I want  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/22/2019 9:45 am : link
to like Odell, but he's making it REALLY hard to do so.
RE: He’s an idiot  
Blue21 : 7/22/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14503562 dep026 said:
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Always has been, always will be.


Unfortunetly true. As a Giant fan I got tired of defending him. People would tell me how talented he was and the conversation always ended with a BUT he's going to be a disaster at some point. Npw he won't be a Giant's disaster other than the fact he cost them a lot of money this year.
I like him still for his ability;  
Bill L : 7/22/2019 9:46 am : link
I still would rather have him on the team than not.

But, this was hard to read. I know it's the common vernacular of most superstar athletes of today, but the first hing I thought after reading the first couple paragraphs was, "this guy has a huge Messiah complex".
me me me me me  
Rudy5757 : 7/22/2019 9:51 am : link
His head has gotten so big its a wonder he fits in a stadium. Every time he opens his mouth he looks like an ass. I don't know why people follow him. He may have all the talent to be the best WR ever but he will never accomplish that until he realizes that it's a team game.

Great players put the team on their back win or lose. He throws everyone under the bus. He will go on to have a HOF career and put up great numbers. He is a great talent but not a great player in that he doesn't seem to be interested in winning and losing, he's just about the numbers. His greatest catch came in a game we lost. If Tyree had the helmet catch and we lost the Superbowl would it be that great?
LOL  
Chris684 : 7/22/2019 9:53 am : link
This guy is the gift that keeps on giving.

At least now that he's here, you can actually laugh about it.

Odell wants to talk about the playoff game? That's some ironic shit.
RE: He's right about prime time  
rsjem1979 : 7/22/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14503566 bronxct1 said:
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He's 100% correct about the prime time game situation. There was no reason for that team to be getting 5 prime time games a year being that bad. The networks wanted OBJ in the spotlight.


That's ridiculous. The 2014 schedule was released two weeks before Beckham was even drafted.

It was Giants/Cowboys on a Sunday night before Thanksgiving. That's a no-brainer for NBC.
RE: LOL  
Chris684 : 7/22/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14503595 Chris684 said:
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This guy is the gift that keeps on giving.

At least now that he's here, you can actually laugh about it.

Odell wants to talk about the playoff game? That's some ironic shit.


Now that he's NOT here obviously
This guy has really been a Debbie Downer...  
M.S. : 7/22/2019 9:55 am : link

...ever since the trade (and maybe before).

Why can't he just accept that Giants management and fans wish him well, and also wish he would just close his boca and play the game!
There is absolutely  
dep026 : 7/22/2019 9:56 am : link
Nothing likeable about this guy. It’s like any great play he basked in not because the betterment of the team but it will help his fucking Instagram.

And you don’t like the GM? Great, he didn’t like you either. Neither did Schurmur or the QB or many of your teammates. Good riddance. Shame on the Giants if they ever think of putting him in the ROH. Everything wrong with being a Giant. No Class, all ass.
The past  
Shecky : 7/22/2019 9:56 am : link
For a guy who bashed the Giants for being stuck on what happened with him I. The “past” and not being able to move on

He sure talks a lot about The Catch. And strangely enough on,y cared about how many Instagram followers he gained from in it.

Tells you a ton about what he’s thinking when he refers to the catch. And Instagram followers gained. After one of the greatest catches ever made, on National TV. When asked about it, he said he never thought he would have x number of Instagram followers, not about playing in the NFL. MNF nationally televised game. Giants/Cowboys. Nope, insta followers...

FYI, Giants lost that game, betcha he doesn’t remember that...
RE: Odell talks about that meaningless catch against the Cowboys  
Shecky : 7/22/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14503588 bceagle05 said:
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more than Tyree talks about the Helmet Catch.


Never, ever thought of it that way. Incredibly accurate thought though.
Let Cleveland deal with the drama  
Sean : 7/22/2019 9:57 am : link
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RE: Most of the Giants..  
ron mexico : 7/22/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14503570 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Prime Time games have been for divisional rivalries. Washington has been getting 4-5 Prime Time games a year too.

When you almost always have a game against Dallas and Washington in Prime Time, then get one against the Saints, Viking or Packers (as much due to the reputation of the other teams), it isn't just because of Odell. The Jets have gotten several Prime Time games too.

A lot of it is market-size based.


we only have 3 prime time games this year and one in mandated (Thurs night)
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/22/2019 10:07 am : link
Giants have ALWAYS been on the prime time schedule. Art Stapleton is arguing on Twitter right now that Odell was THE reason the Giants had any prime time games.

That's BS. Even one of the most boring teams in NFL history, the Dan Reeves/Dave Brown led Giants - whose best player was a fullback - were on prime time.

It's New York. We're the #1 media market.
ron mexico  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/22/2019 10:08 am : link
Three prime time games for one of the worst teams in the NFL is a lot.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 10:10 am : link
is this trying to disprove the point??

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we only have 3 prime time games this year and one in mandated (Thurs night)


LOL.
The Giants will never not have a primetime game  
Chris684 : 7/22/2019 10:11 am : link
in a given season.

They will always have at least 1 vs either Dallas or Philly, or the most noteworthy non division opponent on their schedule GB, Pitt, etc.

Most years they will probably not have less than 2.

When they are good they are guaranteed to have 3+.

Beckham can go f himself.
Odell is  
Les in TO : 7/22/2019 10:12 am : link
very talented and a unique person but he should take a page from Kawhi Leonard and avoid media/social media
By the way..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 10:12 am : link
we "only" had 3 PrimeTime games for 2 of the seasons Odell played here.
One of the nicest things about the Beckham trade is that we can  
Ira : 7/22/2019 10:13 am : link
sit back and enjoy the sideshow - because it's not our sideshow.
Odell is an interesting case study of the new modern athlete.  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/22/2019 10:14 am : link
A poster above me said it was all about the numbers and I think he is right in a way. It isn't about the stats, it is about the followers. I think there are two important things to Odell, fame and winning. I think he got his fame fix by playing in NY, but all the losing definitely got to him. He seriously needs to let it go, but he is an an elite athlete. Many find motivation in the me against the world mantra, even if he has to bend the facts to make it his reality.
people realize the first question  
hitdog42 : 7/22/2019 10:15 am : link
he was asked about his brand.
so he answered about his brand.

RE: Odell is an interesting case study of the new modern athlete.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/22/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14503627 Zeke's Alibi said:
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A poster above me said it was all about the numbers and I think he is right in a way. It isn't about the stats, it is about the followers. I think there are two important things to Odell, fame and winning. I think he got his fame fix by playing in NY, but all the losing definitely got to him. He seriously needs to let it go, but he is an an elite athlete. Many find motivation in the me against the world mantra, even if he has to bend the facts to make it his reality.


I think there has been a tilt in the sports mindset towards "the highlight" rather than the team accomplishment. As an old fart, it's one of the things that bothers me about sports in general now. In football, we started to see it with the excessive celebration dances after a 1st down, sack, etc.

It's one of the reasons why I like Saquon so much. He's old school. He scores and he hands the ball to the official.

I don't doubt that Odell will have some tremendous games and highlights in Cleveland. But will that team seriously contend in the playoffs? It will be interesting to watch.
RE: Par for the course from OBJ  
gmenatlarge : 7/22/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14503576 mfsd said:
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Used “I” and “Me” about 50-60 times, and used “We” only once that I saw.

Brilliantly talented player. But simply fact is he views himself and his “brand” as bigger than the team. Grousing about only getting 7 targets in his one playoff game is exhibit A


Spot on! He is and always will be a "me" guy, it's all about him, especially all that stupid sideline shit! It wasn't that he just wanted to win so bad, he just wanted everybody to pay attention to him, not the team on the field!
RE: people realize the first question  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/22/2019 10:19 am : link
In comment 14503630 hitdog42 said:
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he was asked about his brand.
so he answered about his brand.


I know you're in his corner, but you're fighting a losing battle on this one. There are good and bad ways to answer almost any question.

Even the guys who used to love Odell are cringing at every media interaction.
RE: ron mexico  
ron mexico : 7/22/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14503619 Eric from BBI said:
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Three prime time games for one of the worst teams in the NFL is a lot.


then why were we getting 5 games in 2015, 2016 etc

we were pretty terrible back then as well


By the way, the Browns have 4 prime time games this year.
If you dont think

RE: I want  
Rjanyg : 7/22/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14503589 Eric from BBI said:
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to like Odell, but he's making it REALLY hard to do so.


Same
If we are going..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 10:21 am : link
to hinge on the question itself, when asked if he liked the added pressure of playing in NY is where he went off on his legion of followers.

But hey - he's just answering a question about his "brand" right?
yawn  
gidiefor : Mod : 7/22/2019 10:22 am : link
................................................................................
Didn't the Browns..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 10:22 am : link
have 4 Primetime games last year too?
Me me me me me me me me  
GiantsRage2007 : 7/22/2019 10:24 am : link
Me me me me me me me me

Oh, and me

Eventually, his interviews will actually talk about the Browns  
ZogZerg : 7/22/2019 10:24 am : link
and he can take shots at that city, make excuses for why he choked in a playoff game, etc.
RE: Didn't the Browns..  
ron mexico : 7/22/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14503648 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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have 4 Primetime games last year too?


nope. Only the 1 mandated game.

RE: RE: people realize the first question  
hitdog42 : 7/22/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14503640 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14503630 hitdog42 said:


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he was asked about his brand.
so he answered about his brand.




I know you're in his corner, but you're fighting a losing battle on this one. There are good and bad ways to answer almost any question.

Even the guys who used to love Odell are cringing at every media interaction.


I dont see any winning or losing in the battle. what makes someone win here?
i just read what he said... took no offense to any of it other then highlighting 7 targets more than him playing bad. outside of that... what was offensive? nothing really- its a person answering questions. people doing victory laps as if this interview validates some biased view --- shows they care as much ore more than OBJ---
the guy is the biggest brand in the NFL- that brand is setting he and his family up for the next 3 generations.
the giants have been a dumpster fire for 6 years... hopefully based on better drafting and getting a line and barkley- that changes--- but it wont be because they traded OBJ or didnt- its just all stupid. its a GQ article
Can we move on from this guy...he's not a Giant  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 7/22/2019 10:26 am : link
anymore? Leave it alone. You do not win in the NFL with diva WRs!
I..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 10:26 am : link
stand corrected.
RE: I want  
jhibb : 7/22/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14503589 Eric from BBI said:
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to like Odell, but he's making it REALLY hard to do so.


Yeah, I've always defended him when he gets grouped together with players who have done actual bad stuff (like he said here - arrest, abuse, etc) and I'll still defend him that way. But he's just so darn immature in some ways, and that's enough for me to be okay with the fact that they moved on from him.

This interview is just more evidence that he might be a good guy and a great player, but he's immature enough that it totally affects his reputation (and seemingly too immature to realize it).
RE: And reading this  
Kyle in NY : 7/22/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14503564 Matt in SGS said:
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you know more of why Baker Mayfield as to kiss this guys ass and put his thing out there about Giants fans. He's bitching about getting 7 passes in a playoff game in which he blew chunks, and you are going to put him on a team with Landry, Njoku, Chubb, Hunt, etc. Constant need to stroke this guy's ego and kiss his ass.

Giants read the situation correctly that he was going to be a problem for Saquon and a new QB. We should thank Antonio Brown for pulling the shit he did, he helped the Giants maximize the return on Odell.


Just to be fair, let's give the full context. He admits first that he had a terrible game. Of course he should have just left it there instead of getting into his targets count or blaming defense too. But I was a bit surprised/relieved to see him at least admit the first part.
This calls for another Odell is gone dance  
ghost718 : 7/22/2019 10:31 am : link
.  
arcarsenal : 7/22/2019 10:31 am : link
He just doesn't get it.
RE: This calls for another Odell is gone dance  
mfsd : 7/22/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14503663 ghost718 said:
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Haha well done. Hey! It’s Enrico Pallazzo!
How can this be OBJ's second sentence?  
DavidinBMNY : 7/22/2019 10:34 am : link
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But there's this sense of entitlement—like I was made there.


If anyone has a sense of entitlement it's him! Every time he speaks, the trade seems wiser. Talk about addition by subtraction. What a mess.
The idea that he was going to have a problen with Saquon's sucess  
ron mexico : 7/22/2019 10:34 am : link
is so ludicrous I don't even know how to address it.

They are very close friends and OBJ has presented him with many of those rewards.

You wan't to say that his personality would have been tough for a rookie QB to manage, fine, but he has never been nothing other than ecstatic for his team mates success.

Find me one instance where he had a blow up in a game we won because he didn't get enough targets.

nothing likeable about the guy  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 10:35 am : link
spent time with kids with cancer, helps support veterans, when people offered him free things he asked that they send stuff to staff and players. fro all the guys her calling him me-me, the narcissist, - nothing to like - really?

made some reasonable comments about OTAs.

he's gone, wished they had worked things out, based on rumors and some comments he could have handled things better. think his difficulty w/coaching & medical staff were probably the big ticket items that got him shipped out.

but the obsession and dislike some people have for a guy they never even met. unreal. I'm a Giant fan he's no longer a Giant - I'm over it, have been since about a week or so after the trade
ron mexico  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/22/2019 10:36 am : link
New York is always going to get three prime time games for simply being New York. Did Odell give NFL more of a reason to put the Giants on? Sure. But he wasn't THE reason.

Again, if you've been a fan of the team more than five years, you already should know this.

Why is Cleveland getting prime time games this year? Because they are getting good. They would have gotten prime time games this year without Odell. He's just an added draw.
RE: It is not a bad article  
jvm52106 : 7/22/2019 10:37 am : link
In comment 14503586 hitdog42 said:
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or interview. a guy being honest (in his point of view)-- the only issue with the article is he could have emphasized his bad game more then the 7 targets... cause he did suck. but he still said he played poor.
everything else- is at least interesting honest perspective.


Delusional perspective. BTW- if you bitch up adn down teh sidelines about why you resigned with the team, then you are a problem. When you need an IV- because you are pouting (I don't care what is said, he needed an IV in a freaking Rainstorm in October, at night)you are the problem...
he makes ill advised comments  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 10:39 am : link
but to be fair - Gettleman took a shot at him too. Unprofesional and unnecessary - OBJ was gone, no need for the GM to take a swipe at him
RE: ron mexico  
ron mexico : 7/22/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14503676 Eric from BBI said:
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New York is always going to get three prime time games for simply being New York. Did Odell give NFL more of a reason to put the Giants on? Sure. But he wasn't THE reason.

Again, if you've been a fan of the team more than five years, you already should know this.

Why is Cleveland getting prime time games this year? Because they are getting good. They would have gotten prime time games this year without Odell. He's just an added draw.


Yes, NY will get 3 min for just being NY. The other 2 are because of him.

The browns may have gotten 1 prime time game over the mandated thurs night without him but no way are they getting 4 games without him.

He is a TV draw, I don't know how you can deny it. Its likely he will either do something spectacular or something crazy. It makes for great television.
And for the record  
ron mexico : 7/22/2019 10:44 am : link
I'm NOT arguing that the fact that he gets his team scheduled in prime time is a reason we should have kept him.
I don't think anyone here would argue  
bigblue5611_2 : 7/22/2019 10:44 am : link
that he cares about his teammates, family members, etc. That he also does charitable things, signs autographs and does things for kids. However, his narcissism transcends all that, in my opinion. If you cannot get that from reading this article, then I don't know what to tell you.

I rooted like hell for the guy when he was here, defended some of his stupid stuff and hope he does well in Cleveland. With that being said, I am glad he is off the team. I was shocked and disappointed with the trade at first, but the more things come out, and the more he opens his mouth, the more the trade makes sense.
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arcarsenal : 7/22/2019 10:45 am : link
It doesn't matter that Beckham didn't have blow ups in games over his targets. He talks about it enough to let you know what his priorities are and were.

I want the player (Barkley) who says he's not happy with some sort of ludicrous statistical season if the team isn't winning. And doesn't give a shit about his numbers.

Beckham - over and over again, you hear him talk about his "looks" his targets, not getting the ball enough, not getting used like other receivers. It's ME, ME, ME... MY numbers, MY targets, MY brand.

It's really not that hard to learn how to handle the media and answer questions in better ways. But reporters knew that if they had him behind a mic long enough, he'd give them something controversial. He really just never got better at it.

He so rarely wants to take responsibility for anything. It's like pulling teeth for him to just say "I didn't do enough to help my team win today - I need to be better"

It's everyone else's fault but his.

Football more than any other is a team sport.

I rode for Odell for a really long time because he's such a great talent and made watching the Giants offense exciting when he was 100% and putting the offense on his back (2016). I wanted so badly for him to just finally get it and have it click and get his head in the right place... but over and over again, I'd just cringe at the stuff he'd say and it got harder and harder to defend.

By the point of the ESPN / Lil Wayne thing, I realized it was just never going to change. This is who he is.

I won't root against him or spend my Sundays scoreboard watching the Browns every week out of some sort of strange complex where I need to see them do poorly. I don't think this is going to work out for them, but if it does, good for them - it won't bother me.

But, just look at how much play these threads still get here - and he's not even a Giant anymore.

No one is bigger than the team. I don't want this shit here anymore and I'm glad we've moved on.
ron mexico  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/22/2019 10:45 am : link
I think I made it clear above that Odell was an added incentive to add prime time games. But Odell's comments strongly suggest he believes he was THE reason.

No Odell, New York will be New York without you.

And I think that's what is bothering him.
For those defending OBJ still  
Shecky : 7/22/2019 10:46 am : link
I can’t suggest it enough, but read the entire article.
The summary above does a great job, but it’s still a summary
There are a few simple common points you will see from the full interview.
It’s all about him, and it’s plain and simply all about money
I used tot hunk he loved the game.
I now see it was all a farce. He loves the money the game brings him.
He wants to win as much as the next guy, not for any other reason than the fame and fortune it will bring him.
Ron Mexico  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/22/2019 10:47 am : link
We were getting prime time games when our bread-and-butter play was the 2-yard out pass from Dave Brown to Howard Cross on 3rd-and-8.
RE: Dude..  
NYG007 : 7/22/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14503550 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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still hasn't gotten over being traded.

But man, if you really want to shake your head, he thinks he's the reason the Giants were still on TV:



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But I left the game with seven targets, and I'm supposed to be your number one receiver. I left the game with seven targets. We lost. They scored 40 points. It's just all bad. I felt disrespected, because I felt like I was a main reason at keeping that brand alive. They were getting prime-time games, still, as a 5-and-11 team.



He's bitching about the lack of touches in a playoff game where he dropped two first quarter TD's?? And that he "kept the brand alive".

I wanted OBJ to stay here, but it is clear it was the best move to ship his ass out - especially to Cleveland.


Don't forget the pitch and catch 4th and 2 on first drive he dropped. Which cost us points and massive momentum.
One thing that was confusing  
Bill L : 7/22/2019 10:50 am : link
the thread title made it sound like he has a beef with DG. I am sure that he does. But the quote about "hearing he got traded" that miffed him was (I think) referencing PS. Combining that with people saying the he told PS to eff off on occasions over the season indicated (to me) that he a PS must have really clashed. That, in and of itself, would have made it untenable to retain one or the other party long term.

The other part I don't get was about not getting paid for rehab. He was out for long stretches of nearly every year he was with the team...do players not get paid when they miss games while rehabbing?
Bill..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 10:53 am : link
I think he was referencing about going to OTA's and the costs he incurs by attending a non-mandatory event.

He probably is doing some personal rehab sessions in the offseason.
Earlier in his career  
Jay on the Island : 7/22/2019 10:53 am : link
I thought Odell was an emotional player because he loved the game so much and just wanted to win. That may have been the case but now he clearly wants fame and money over success.

IMO Beckham was jealous once the Giants added Barkley. He was no longer the main star in NY and became bitter.
RE: For those defending OBJ still  
arcarsenal : 7/22/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14503695 Shecky said:
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I can’t suggest it enough, but read the entire article.
The summary above does a great job, but it’s still a summary
There are a few simple common points you will see from the full interview.
It’s all about him, and it’s plain and simply all about money
I used tot hunk he loved the game.
I now see it was all a farce. He loves the money the game brings him.
He wants to win as much as the next guy, not for any other reason than the fame and fortune it will bring him.


Yup.
Wow and Gary from the East End  
Big Blue '56 : 7/22/2019 10:54 am : link
quit the Giants because of the OBJ trade.
RE: Bill..  
Bill L : 7/22/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14503709 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I think he was referencing about going to OTA's and the costs he incurs by attending a non-mandatory event.

He probably is doing some personal rehab sessions in the offseason.

Thanks.

I just know that he did a ton of rehab during the season.
RE: ron mexico  
ron mexico : 7/22/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14503694 Eric from BBI said:
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I think I made it clear above that Odell was an added incentive to add prime time games. But Odell's comments strongly suggest he believes he was THE reason.

No Odell, New York will be New York without you.

And I think that's what is bothering him.


I didn't get that at all. He said he is the reason for FIVE prime time games. And he isn't wrong.
2019 Prime Time  
jestersdead : 7/22/2019 10:56 am : link
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This season, 10 teams have five games slated to take place under primetime lights. The Bears, Cowboys, Chiefs, Steelers, Rams, Eagles, Vikings, Seahawks and Packers also earned five primetime nods.



primetime - ( New Window )
RE: Earlier in his career  
ron mexico : 7/22/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14503712 Jay on the Island said:
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I thought Odell was an emotional player because he loved the game so much and just wanted to win. That may have been the case but now he clearly wants fame and money over success.

IMO Beckham was jealous once the Giants added Barkley. He was no longer the main star in NY and became bitter.


Then why does he end up presenting Barkley with just about every award he ends up winning?
Probably..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 10:58 am : link
so he can share the spotlight, even while wearing a kangaroo-looking outfit!!1 :)
RE: RE: For those defending OBJ still  
Kyle in NY : 7/22/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14503713 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14503695 Shecky said:


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I can’t suggest it enough, but read the entire article.
The summary above does a great job, but it’s still a summary
There are a few simple common points you will see from the full interview.
It’s all about him, and it’s plain and simply all about money
I used tot hunk he loved the game.
I now see it was all a farce. He loves the money the game brings him.
He wants to win as much as the next guy, not for any other reason than the fame and fortune it will bring him.



Yup.


Now I don't think there's anything wrong with this. Not everybody plays the game for the same reasons. If Odell wants to be as famous as possible and make as much money as he can, that's his prerogative. He's well on his way to accomplishing this. But...

...at the same time, it's certainly fair to for the Giants to say we're just better off not having someone like that around the team anymore, no matter how talented he is. And we're better off cutting bait now, getting what we can, before the situation really boils over.

I defended him for a long time, I suppose I still do to an extent. But this offseason has only made it more and more clear that the Giants made the right choice to move on. It wasn't going to work, and it was exhausting. And it would seem that Odell still doesn't really understand why they made the decision they did.

I'm fascinated to see how this season goes in Cleveland.
Amazing article. It’s long, but a great great interview.  
Shecky : 7/22/2019 11:01 am : link


Here’s the TL; DR (but still long aka a longer summary)

- “I was always the underdog. I wasn't the number one drafted receiver in my class, even though I wanted to be. I said I wanted to be a top-10 pick—I wasn't. I said I wanted to win a Heisman in college—I didn't. At LSU, I wanted to win a national championship. I got there and we got blown out. And then I was like, I have to win Rookie of the Year. There's no ifs, ands, or buts. I have to win Rookie of the Year. I pulled my hamstring, and everyone was like, “Oh, he's a bum, he's a bust,”
—> lol,all I took away from this quote was ‘damn, he’s less of a winner than I thought’. My thoughts went from ‘possibly best WR in history’ to a great stats guy who always comes in 2nd or third. Accurate or not, but it did change my perception of him and his successes

- Talks about growing up, and his idols. Vick and AI. One question after his answers involves advising people to be careful what they say...
—> not the best role models 😝

Then talks about wanting to retire a couple of years ago, but keeps playing for the money. Yes, flat out says he wanted to quit, but keeps playing to feed his kids...
—> I CANT wait for this full story to reveal itself. Safe to say it involves his animosity towards Giants, and the Giants finally being sick of dealing with his BS

- “Do you think you'll ever make a catch better than that one?
Yeah. That was just one on that stage. And then you got the haters that are like, “Yeah, they still lost that game.” That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. I go back and look at my stats and how people talk about me, and it's like, “Oh, but you never won anything,” and you do this and that. And I go and watch every highlight, and every highlight I'm watching, it's third down. It's making a big play. It's late in the game when we're down, to get us closer. These are game-changing moments.”
—> game changing, perhaps. But to me it brings me back to him finishing 2nd and 3rd more than I thought about. He considers a game changing play to be a play that made the team lose by less points. Perhaps an ALMOST game changing play. Or momentum changing, but not exactly game changing.

“He's won six Super Bowls.” I want to win the same way he wants to win. Whether I hit a kicking net or whether I do whatever. I want to win that bad. I care about winning more than anything. I didn't get into this to celebrate and score touchdowns. I didn't get into this for followers for Instagram.
—> strange comment, but I think that’s projection at its finest. I think he would eat up interview day at the Super Bowl. I think he, more than any other player, would live for the two week buildup. And would want to win, make a game winning play, purely for the fame, money and followers.

- “I wake up every day from 6:30 a.m., to then leave the facility at 5 p.m., to then have to go home, do two hours of rehab, to then do whatever, to then need to go to sleep, like I said. I have six hours a day to do what they would call free time. My free time is spent on a table, doing a massage or yoga. There's not enough time in the day.”
—> did he really consider the hours he sleeps as part of his work day? His job? That his free time is wasted away doing yoga and getting messages? Way to win over the masses

—> His whole rant about not getting paid for OTAs. How he should get reimbursed for renting a house in LA, his trainers, dogs kennel. Is he insane? He gets paid an insane amount of money. I assume he knows about OTAs since they happen EVERY year... but wants to be reimbursed because no one told him about OTAs? Then follows it up that he’s a good teammate because when someone sends him something for free, he asks for 100 FREE things. So far, it’s all about money with him, in case it isn’t obvious: won’t do things he isn’t paid to do, loads up on freebies, and almost quit but couldn’t pass up the money... never about the team. EVER.

—> I love how he considers himself on same level as LeBron. Who at least has won. But is know on for being A Rod like in being “misunderstood” aka an insincere selfish prick. So Vick, LeBron and AI...

—> Here’s a doozy: I would be up and down the sidelines saying that, like, “Why did you sign me?”

—> The following back and forth I found hysterical. Reality is, he’s keeping his hair because it’s a money maker, it’s his “brand”. Blames it on “I’m doing it for the kids”, but then mocks adults for idolizing him 😂

“Have you thought about cutting the hair to punctuate the fresh start?
I'm thinking about it.

Really?!
Yeah. But I would probably grow it back out. I feel like after I cut it I would just get used to not having it. But I know kids all around the world love it.

Do you think the hair is part of your signature in the same way the Catch logo is?
It definitely is, bro. I have a personal attachment to it. Just because it's my hair. It is my hair. I've had grown men come up to me with my haircut.

That must be weird.
It is weird. But it's, like, Aye bruh, if that works for you”

—> I actually gained a ton of respect for his answer to people questioned him if he is gay pr not. That might have been his only ‘real, honest’ answer in the whole interview. You could tell it wasn’t pre planned, thought out - but genuine.

—> Here we go again...

“Any chance you'd be a commentator?
No chance. No disrespect to those guys. If you see me on one of those shows, it's because I'm getting a healthy paycheck. It's going to be that.... So after football, I could see the movie thing. I can see some shows. I can see some Hollywood-esque stuff.”





Please read the full article for yourself - ( New Window )
If you don't think he is genuinely happy  
ron mexico : 7/22/2019 11:02 am : link
for Saquon's sucess I don't know what to tell you.

That goes for Shep and any and all players on the team.
His talent which MAY HAVE been slipping  
Big Blue '56 : 7/22/2019 11:02 am : link
because of his injuries anyway, was not worth keeping him here. Great move by DG. Great move, imv.
56  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 11:05 am : link
I'm not sure the jury is in yet re: the "injuries taking their toll" theory.
Hehe  
dep026 : 7/22/2019 11:05 am : link
I’m really enjoying the defense of OBJ by a few.
LMAOOOOO- DG  
GMAN4LIFE : 7/22/2019 11:06 am : link
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I was never actually rooting for Odell to be traded  
Payasdaddy : 7/22/2019 11:07 am : link
And when I was I got a big sense of relief
Similar to putting my dog down who has been getting old and crippled but u just look for those glimpses for reasons why you don’t take her to the vet to put her to sleep
And then when u do your like “ damn. That was really the best thing to do and I should have done that awhile ago”
Nothing “ bad” about Odell
But he is not a leader, clearly is interested in “ me” over team and just isn’t the type of guy to push u over the top
Insane talent. Someone can win a Super Bowl with him but it won’t be because of him
The distraction just started to outweigh the talent
If d Lawrence balls as I think he can,plus peppers active ss/ rover ,plus throw is 2020 salary cap relief. Well let’s just say it benefits both parties
dep..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 11:07 am : link
there's an interesting correlation tying together several of the posters who defend OBJ - and I'm sure it isn't lost on you.
RE: RE: RE: For those defending OBJ still  
arcarsenal : 7/22/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14503730 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 14503713 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 14503695 Shecky said:


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I can’t suggest it enough, but read the entire article.
The summary above does a great job, but it’s still a summary
There are a few simple common points you will see from the full interview.
It’s all about him, and it’s plain and simply all about money
I used tot hunk he loved the game.
I now see it was all a farce. He loves the money the game brings him.
He wants to win as much as the next guy, not for any other reason than the fame and fortune it will bring him.



Yup.



Now I don't think there's anything wrong with this. Not everybody plays the game for the same reasons. If Odell wants to be as famous as possible and make as much money as he can, that's his prerogative. He's well on his way to accomplishing this. But...

...at the same time, it's certainly fair to for the Giants to say we're just better off not having someone like that around the team anymore, no matter how talented he is. And we're better off cutting bait now, getting what we can, before the situation really boils over.

I defended him for a long time, I suppose I still do to an extent. But this offseason has only made it more and more clear that the Giants made the right choice to move on. It wasn't going to work, and it was exhausting. And it would seem that Odell still doesn't really understand why they made the decision they did.

I'm fascinated to see how this season goes in Cleveland.


I don't think Odell is a bad guy - I really don't. There have been so many guys who have come through this league, and even played here, who were just genuinely shitty people.

Odell is just who he is. But he is exhausting.

Most people have probably been in a relationship at some time or another in their lives where you're really attracted to the person, but you know it's just not working out and it's not going to. You try desperately to find ways to fix it or change that; but at the end of the day, you just know.

(I know that's a kind of weird analogy to use since we're talking about a football player here... )

But, I think the bottom line is just that sometimes you really want something to pan out even when you can see the writing on the wall. I was like that with Beckham for a while.

This NFL season is really going to be interesting. I think the Giants are going to be better for this; and Cleveland is certainly going to be an interesting follow.
RE: 56  
Big Blue '56 : 7/22/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14503738 bc4life said:
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I'm not sure the jury is in yet re: the "injuries taking their toll" theory.


Bc, true, buddy..That’s why I capitalized MAY HAVE.
I'll read the entire article later.  
Captplanet : 7/22/2019 11:10 am : link
But from what I see from the summary, tells me exactly why the Giants traded him.

You can't have a stable locker room when the face of the franchise does not respect or care about the franchise. It's Odell first Second and Third.

This Quote "I'll forever have respect for [Giants president and CEO] Mr. Mara. Everything he's ever done for me, he's shown nothing but love. Even when we were having our talks, it was coming from a place of love. I could always feel it. So I'll forever have respect for him." IS so important to understand why he was traded.

The only person Odell Respects in Management is the person he spent the least amount of time. By the way, he only respects Mara because Mara spoke kindly to him during negotiations and gave him a huge contract.

Unfortunately, Odell did not think about how much he respected Mara during the Josina Anderson interview.
RE: RE: RE: RE: For those defending OBJ still  
Big Blue '56 : 7/22/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14503748 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14503730 Kyle in NY said:


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In comment 14503713 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


In comment 14503695 Shecky said:


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I can’t suggest it enough, but read the entire article.
The summary above does a great job, but it’s still a summary
There are a few simple common points you will see from the full interview.
It’s all about him, and it’s plain and simply all about money
I used tot hunk he loved the game.
I now see it was all a farce. He loves the money the game brings him.
He wants to win as much as the next guy, not for any other reason than the fame and fortune it will bring him.



Yup.



Now I don't think there's anything wrong with this. Not everybody plays the game for the same reasons. If Odell wants to be as famous as possible and make as much money as he can, that's his prerogative. He's well on his way to accomplishing this. But...

...at the same time, it's certainly fair to for the Giants to say we're just better off not having someone like that around the team anymore, no matter how talented he is. And we're better off cutting bait now, getting what we can, before the situation really boils over.

I defended him for a long time, I suppose I still do to an extent. But this offseason has only made it more and more clear that the Giants made the right choice to move on. It wasn't going to work, and it was exhausting. And it would seem that Odell still doesn't really understand why they made the decision they did.

I'm fascinated to see how this season goes in Cleveland.



I don't think Odell is a bad guy - I really don't. There have been so many guys who have come through this league, and even played here, who were just genuinely shitty people.

Odell is just who he is. But he is exhausting.

Most people have probably been in a relationship at some time or another in their lives where you're really attracted to the person, but you know it's just not working out and it's not going to. You try desperately to find ways to fix it or change that; but at the end of the day, you just know.

(I know that's a kind of weird analogy to use since we're talking about a football player here... )

But, I think the bottom line is just that sometimes you really want something to pan out even when you can see the writing on the wall. I was like that with Beckham for a while.

This NFL season is really going to be interesting. I think the Giants are going to be better for this; and Cleveland is certainly going to be an interesting follow.


Best and most accurate snippet yet:

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Odell is just who he is. But he is exhausting.


We didn't win shit, but our brand was tip top  
Heisenberg : 7/22/2019 11:12 am : link
yay?
he's such a little boy...  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 7/22/2019 11:15 am : link
the article also said he felt "disrespected" by the Giants and often thought of "leaving" the game..

WHAAAAAAAAA
RE: If you don't think he is genuinely happy  
RobCarpenter : 7/22/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14503732 ron mexico said:
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for Saquon's sucess I don't know what to tell you.

That goes for Shep and any and all players on the team.


He might be happy for them - but I can say with 100% certainty that you will NEVER see Barkley complain publicly, or pout if he thinks he isn't being used properly.

Barkley is the anti-OBJ. He is all class, and OBJ is just an ass.
RE: dep..  
ron mexico : 7/22/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14503745 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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there's an interesting correlation tying together several of the posters who defend OBJ - and I'm sure it isn't lost on you.


if you have something to say, be a man and say it

I only see me and Hitdog not taking the company line here. What do we have in common?

That you both..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 11:22 am : link
are very critical of Eli.

It's the ongoing IQ test here.
So.....  
cjac : 7/22/2019 11:23 am : link
He claims to be a team player

But he seems way more concerned with his brand.


Meanwhile, you have Barkley saying what does it matter if he gets 200+ yards in a game if its a loss.
RE: So.....  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/22/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14503766 cjac said:
Quote:
He claims to be a team player

But he seems way more concerned with his brand.


Meanwhile, you have Barkley saying what does it matter if he gets 200+ yards in a game if its a loss.


You said more succinctly the point that I was trying to make above.
I've always been a huge Eli fan  
ron mexico : 7/22/2019 11:25 am : link
I happen to think that at this point in time the org would be better off with out him. I guess that means I fail your your IQ test. I don't know how I will sleep tonight.


Why on Earth  
montanagiant : 7/22/2019 11:25 am : link
Would he think someone should reimburse him because he decided to move to LA and he needs to pay for his dogs?

LOL..that is seriously warped logic
RE: RE: RE: RE: For those defending OBJ still  
Kyle in NY : 7/22/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14503748 arcarsenal said:
Quote:




I don't think Odell is a bad guy - I really don't. There have been so many guys who have come through this league, and even played here, who were just genuinely shitty people.

Odell is just who he is. But he is exhausting.

Most people have probably been in a relationship at some time or another in their lives where you're really attracted to the person, but you know it's just not working out and it's not going to. You try desperately to find ways to fix it or change that; but at the end of the day, you just know.

(I know that's a kind of weird analogy to use since we're talking about a football player here... )

But, I think the bottom line is just that sometimes you really want something to pan out even when you can see the writing on the wall. I was like that with Beckham for a while.

This NFL season is really going to be interesting. I think the Giants are going to be better for this; and Cleveland is certainly going to be an interesting follow.


Hah yeah I totally can see that analogy. I think we saw it the same way for a while, we were often on the same side of those debates. I desperately wanted it to work but maybe deep down we knew he just never wanted to change

I don't think he's a bad person either, we always said that. Seems to be great with kids and fans, teammates love him, that's all great. And I wish no ill will on him because of that, he provided us with some tremendous thrills as well. But he just seems to completely lack self-awareness and his priorities (his brand) can be very damaging when things aren't going well on the field.

With that in mind, it's not hard to see this devolving into a really bad situation if we kept him, where he completely plummets his value with a trade demand (like AB did) and we get pennies on the dollar, as opposed to the pretty fair deal we did get.

Let's play ball and see how this all goes!
You can sleep just fine...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 11:27 am : link
as you think the org would be better off without Eli - but better with OBJ.

I don't think you'll lose sleep as you likely don't have a whole lot of deep thoughts keeping you up at night
RE: That you both..  
hitdog42 : 7/22/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14503764 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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are very critical of Eli.

It's the ongoing IQ test here.


???

sad that many cant take someone having a different view- but carry on being a dck
RE: dep..  
dep026 : 7/22/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14503745 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
there's an interesting correlation tying together several of the posters who defend OBJ - and I'm sure it isn't lost on you.


Lol no it is not..
I mean, this is fucking cringeworthy  
mfsd : 7/22/2019 11:28 am : link
“No chance. No disrespect to those guys. If you see me on one of those shows, it's because I'm getting a healthy paycheck. It's going to be that.... So after football, I could see the movie thing. I can see some shows. I can see some Hollywood-esque stuff.”

Hollywood-esque stuff? Good grief.
That catch in a LOSS  
Jim in Forest Hills : 7/22/2019 11:29 am : link
and the subsequent attention it brought him was the worst thing that could have happened to him.
RE: I've always been a huge Eli fan  
dep026 : 7/22/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14503770 ron mexico said:
Quote:
I happen to think that at this point in time the org would be better off with out him. I guess that means I fail your your IQ test. I don't know how I will sleep tonight.



LMAO!!!
RE: RE: That you both..  
dep026 : 7/22/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14503775 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 14503764 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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are very critical of Eli.

It's the ongoing IQ test here.



???

sad that many cant take someone having a different view- but carry on being a dck


Pot meet kettle.

This is absolutely hysterical.
RE: I mean, this is fucking cringeworthy  
GMAN4LIFE : 7/22/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14503777 mfsd said:
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“No chance. No disrespect to those guys. If you see me on one of those shows, it's because I'm getting a healthy paycheck. It's going to be that.... So after football, I could see the movie thing. I can see some shows. I can see some Hollywood-esque stuff.”

Hollywood-esque stuff? Good grief.


i wish the kicking net fought back for real
Wait  
Thegratefulhead : 7/22/2019 11:37 am : link
I NEED any NY Giants receiver or TE to have better numbers than OBJ this year. I will give a piece of my soul for it. Then gimmee popcorn.
RE: That catch in a LOSS  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/22/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14503779 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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and the subsequent attention it brought him was the worst thing that could have happened to him.


Sadly, you are probably 100 percent correct here.
How narcissistic are you  
montanagiant : 7/22/2019 11:40 am : link
When you whine about only getting 7 passes in a playoff game in which you dropped 2 TDs?

Honestly, it's baffling how much a clueless twat he is
I have a lot of issues...  
bw in dc : 7/22/2019 11:42 am : link
with Mara. But God bless him for signing off on trading OBJ.

I have no doubt about his future in Cleveland. He's going to be great and he's going to be one of the reasons that team implodes.
The discussion about Odell Beckham's morals  
Chris684 : 7/22/2019 11:43 am : link
has always clouded the argument about whether or not he is good for an NFL locker room.

And while he doesn't belong in the ring of shame with the likes of Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, Josh Brown or whoever else has committed serious crimes. He's definitely a me-first, selfish asshole who has done multiple things to embarrass himself and the organization he used to play for.

I enjoy the holdouts who still bend over backwards to defend this guy.
RE: The discussion about Odell Beckham's morals  
ron mexico : 7/22/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14503806 Chris684 said:
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I enjoy the holdouts who still bend over backwards to defend this guy.


And let’s just be real  
dep026 : 7/22/2019 12:01 pm : link
OBJ is just a loser.
RE: RE: I mean, this is fucking cringeworthy  
Jimmy Googs : 7/22/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14503786 GMAN4LIFE said:
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In comment 14503777 mfsd said:


Quote:


“No chance. No disrespect to those guys. If you see me on one of those shows, it's because I'm getting a healthy paycheck. It's going to be that.... So after football, I could see the movie thing. I can see some shows. I can see some Hollywood-esque stuff.”

Hollywood-esque stuff? Good grief.



i wish the kicking net fought back for real


this was funny...
This Article shows that Odell will Never stop talking about the Giants  
Captplanet : 7/22/2019 12:04 pm : link
His "Brand" needs New York. Odell thinks his "Brand" would be what it is even without New York, he is completely wrong. Does he really think he would be just as popular with Actors and Rappers if he did not play for the Giants? Does he really think famous people would have traveled to Cleveland or Jacksonville to hang with him after "The Catch"? He benefited from living in New York.

During the season in NY he was able to attend Fashion Shows, Concerts, sit in the front row at Knicks/Nets games. Attend grand openings. He could play a game on Sunday, interview with the NFL Network on Tuesday, Attend Good Morning America on Thursday and rub shoulders with movie/music/fashion stars on Friday, all in a 60 mile radius.

He became the most popular athlete in New York, because of his talent and proximity to other stars. Similar to Broadway Joe in the '60s. He's now the third star in Cleveland, behind Lebron and Mayfield.

He will soon realize that no one is following him to the Cleveland Fashion week. Stars are not going to be at the Cavs vs Lakers game. The Kardashians are not flying into Cleveland to open the newest club in Cleveland. And there is nothing that he can do on the field that will convince Beyonce and JZ to attend a Browns game.

Unfortunately for the Giants the only thing that will keep his brand at its current level will be saying things that will keep the NY media interested. And nothing excites NY Media more than drama.

So get ready to see more articles like this.
RE: he's such a little boy...  
Bill L : 7/22/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14503756 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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the article also said he felt "disrespected" by the Giants and often thought of "leaving" the game..

WHAAAAAAAAA


I don't get this (granted, I haven't read the article itself yet)....

I could see him feeling disrespected by them trading him, but whatever did they do that he would feel disrespected up until that point?
Beckham needs to be coddled  
dep026 : 7/22/2019 12:07 pm : link
He needs everyone to tell him how great he is and how he is the best. I have a pretty good feeling Eli, PS, and DG didn’t give OBJ the live he wanted so who does he take the most shots at?

Hmmm.... OBJ you gotta your buddy Jarvis to stroke you all you want.
RE: RE: he's such a little boy...  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 7/22/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14503837 Bill L said:
Quote:
In comment 14503756 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:


Quote:


the article also said he felt "disrespected" by the Giants and often thought of "leaving" the game..

WHAAAAAAAAA



I don't get this (granted, I haven't read the article itself yet)....

I could see him feeling disrespected by them trading him, but whatever did they do that he would feel disrespected up until that point?


agree, the Giants put up with his childish embarrassing antics and still gave him an extension.
He keeps saying seven targets,  
darren in pdx : 7/22/2019 12:53 pm : link
but a simple Google search shows he had 11 targets in that game. And you can argue that if he caught those passes he dropped, the momentum of the game would have been completely different and they may have had a chance of winning if the defense didn’t fall apart.

Odell should be a HOF’er talent but he will not get there because of Odell. He’s narcissistic and can’t control his emotions which greatly affects his play on the field. And as many others have pointed, he never takes responsibility, always an excuse.

Not to mention that he still has yet to prove the ankle hasn’t taken a lot away of what made him special.
A few observations and comments...  
EricJ : 7/22/2019 12:59 pm : link
1. He definitely did not bring up his brand. He was simply answering the brand question from the interviewer.

2. He says he has expenses that would need to be covered if he were to go to OTAs. He rented a home in Los Angeles for the summer, etc. Well, he knew when OTAs were. If he was dedicated to the team, he would have planned to be at OTAs. Timing with a new QB is extremely important. You would think he would want to be there to develop that to maximize their potential this year. Everyone knows there just are not enough snaps in pre-season anymore.

3. He essentially said that he was "done" in NY before he signed that new contract last summer. I am sure the Giants knew this and the plan all along was to sign and then eventually trade.

4. He believes Shurmur wanted him out of here. How much of a problem was Odell creating on the team (internally) if an offensive minded coach wants one of the most talented receivers OFF of the roster? This leads me to believe there is much more to this story.
This says it all  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/22/2019 1:03 pm : link
"Even the year we went to the playoffs and everyone was talking about this and that. And we went there, and I didn't have a great playoff game. Don't get me wrong, I had a terrible game. But I left the game with seven targets, and I'm supposed to be your number one receiver. I left the game with seven targets. We lost. They scored 40 points. It's just all bad. I felt disrespected, because I felt like I was a main reason at keeping that brand alive."

Those two quotes tell you everything you need to know about OBJ as a winner/loser. It is all about him. It is exactly why Eli seemed unfazed by him leaving. You either want to win or you want to maximize your stats. Some games those two goals coincide and sometimes they don't. OBJs objective isn't team success - it's individual acclaim. It is really sad to see because he is a guy that I wanted to see retire as a Giant - but he wasn't going to be part of future success.
Always hurt anyway.  
chitt17 : 7/22/2019 1:03 pm : link
Has he played an entire season yet?
I don't care how good you are. Not much use from the sideline.
I can’t confirm this  
dep026 : 7/22/2019 1:04 pm : link
But someone with connections with the team stated before the Washington game.... OBJ texted Shurmur and said...

“Good luck without me..... haha”

This person works with the team so I thought I’d bring it up.
Leon can't do everything!  
Geomon : 7/22/2019 1:10 pm : link
And the best part is  
dep026 : 7/22/2019 1:19 pm : link
OBJ claiming the Giants weren’t man enough to tell him he was traded.....


No OBJ, they just didn’t care or respect you to tell you. Respect is earned OBJ. And you haven’t earned the respect of being treated like everyone else when you act like a dick to everyone who doesn’t stroke you.
RE: I can’t confirm this  
mfsd : 7/22/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14503904 dep026 said:
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But someone with connections with the team stated before the Washington game.... OBJ texted Shurmur and said...

“Good luck without me..... haha”

This person works with the team so I thought I’d bring it up.


I don’t recall that, but I do think someone said, either here or elsewhere, that OBJ had started freelancing routes at some point instead of running what the play called for
OBJ would benfit greatly from a shred  
SimpleMan : 7/22/2019 1:25 pm : link
of self awareness. He has an all time victim complex and nothing is never his fault. How can he talk about being disrespected after he trashed the team and QB in the Lil Wayne interview? Zero self awareness.
One of the reasons  
Gman11 : 7/22/2019 1:27 pm : link
my interest in the NFL has waned over the years. Too many assholes like him in the game.
RE: And the best part is  
Nine-Tails : 7/22/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14503914 dep026 said:
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OBJ claiming the Giants weren’t man enough to tell him he was traded.....


No OBJ, they just didn’t care or respect you to tell you. Respect is earned OBJ. And you haven’t earned the respect of being treated like everyone else when you act like a dick to everyone who doesn’t stroke you.


Lol right, is he that dense. This is the team that has been behind him for all his stupid antics and made him the highest paid wr in the game after a serious injury. He wasn't man enough to tell the Giants of his problems when he went .on that interview
Wait he cannot got to OTA because  
56n11bestever : 7/22/2019 1:35 pm : link
“ I already paid to live here in L.A. for the entire summer. Are the Giants or Cleveland going to reimburse me for what I've already paid? Are they going to reimburse my trainers, who I've already paid? Are they going to reimburse me for the dogs who I've had to put in kennels? There's a lot of expenses. Are they going to pay for the rehab I was doing? No. They don't do all of that.”

But when he was traded he was in Paris. Therefore he planned his expenses around his trip why not plan around OTA

Certainly everyone is entitled to spend their free time doing what they want but how many of us had to work a weekend or travel on a Sunday for a business meeting on Monday?
This is the thing that really said it all to me...  
EricJ : 7/22/2019 1:53 pm : link
He (yes and Cruz) spent a day and a half in Miami on a boat leading up to a playoff game. Was it an official day off? Absolutely... but if you truly care about winning, you would be watching film on the guys you will be lining up against.

Just think about this for a minute...
These guys get months off to travel to Miami. They have to do it right before a playoff game? Really? It is not as if this is a union worker who gets just 2 weeks off each year and therefore, every day off is precious.

He talks a lot about his brand. Playing well in that game would have helped his brand. Staying back in NY and putting in extra work would help his brand. UNLESS... instagram pics of himself with Beiber are better for his brand.
Funniest part really is Odell saying he's why NYG was on primetime  
Leg of Theismann : 7/22/2019 2:06 pm : link
Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with NYC being a city of 9 million people (twice as large as the 2nd most populated city in the country - LA), not to mention NJ where the Giants actually play being the the most densely populated state in the country. Giants have been relatively-speaking one of the largest markets in sports long before Odell got here, and a lot more of that has to do with the population of the region they're from and the winning they did BEFORE he got here than his one highlight-reel play on SNF in 2014. Really he makes himself look like a complete imbecile in that one quote alone.
RE: Wait he cannot got to OTA because  
Shecky : 7/22/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14503924 56n11bestever said:
Quote:
“ I already paid to live here in L.A. for the entire summer. Are the Giants or Cleveland going to reimburse me for what I've already paid? Are they going to reimburse my trainers, who I've already paid? Are they going to reimburse me for the dogs who I've had to put in kennels? There's a lot of expenses. Are they going to pay for the rehab I was doing? No. They don't do all of that.”


What Odell forgets is, who actually paid you so that you could AFFORD. To summer in LA? How can you afford the trip to Paris, because you are paid very well to catch balls. How do you afford personal trainers and dogs - because you play in the NFL.

Now, if you keep skipping OTAs, your stats will eventually suffer. Never mind not helping your team win - but if your stats suffer, so will your bank account. And trips to Paris, LA, etc. WHO WILL REIMBURSE YOU THEN?

This all screams of Matt Harvey to me. A guy spending his future checks rather than earning them.
....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 7/22/2019 2:29 pm : link
the Giants gave Odell the richest wide receiver contract in NFL history. The fact that this guy feels he wasn’t shown enough respect is laughable
RE: ....  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/22/2019 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14503958 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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the Giants gave Odell the richest wide receiver contract in NFL history. The fact that this guy feels he wasn’t shown enough respect is laughable


Well, c'mon, they didn't pay for his dog kennel. Cheap bastards.
Good riddance  
rocco8112 : 7/22/2019 2:38 pm : link
Happy we had a GM with the balls to trade this guy.



RE: This is the thing that really said it all to me...  
rocco8112 : 7/22/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14503934 EricJ said:
Quote:
He (yes and Cruz) spent a day and a half in Miami on a boat leading up to a playoff game. Was it an official day off? Absolutely... but if you truly care about winning, you would be watching film on the guys you will be lining up against.

Just think about this for a minute...
These guys get months off to travel to Miami. They have to do it right before a playoff game? Really? It is not as if this is a union worker who gets just 2 weeks off each year and therefore, every day off is precious.

He talks a lot about his brand. Playing well in that game would have helped his brand. Staying back in NY and putting in extra work would help his brand. UNLESS... instagram pics of himself with Beiber are better for his brand.


yup
The fact that we got ANYTHING for OBJ and his act  
Stan in LA : 7/22/2019 2:52 pm : link
Is a miracle. As he is proving every day.
Also, sorry for the dup thread I started  
Stan in LA : 7/22/2019 2:53 pm : link
I don't know how I missed this one.
'But The Catch happened around the entire world'...  
Torrag : 7/22/2019 3:00 pm : link
LOL. The guy truly has a head full of bad wiring at this point. It's scary what stardom can do to some people.
As many others have noted, OBJ is clueless about many things.  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/22/2019 3:02 pm : link
I only read the summary in the OP and the last page of responses, so don't know if covered yet, but he seems oblivious to the fact that playing in Cleveland will damage his brand if he doesn't start playing outstanding football again, and help his team win.


I mean the whole article and interview it's based on concerns his tenure with the Giants. Kinda lost on him...
Francesa's open  
Chris684 : 7/22/2019 3:09 pm : link
"Beckham and the big mouth QB should worry less about the football Giants and more about all the things they can potentially screw up this year"

"On the heels of a 2-Super Bowl championship run, the Odell Beckham Jr. years are utterly forgettable."
The article reveals exactly why he was traded  
RobCrossRiver56 : 7/22/2019 3:25 pm : link
Not the Giants or the NFL but he believes he is the brand. Kudos to Mgt to not only move him but get something in return.
I’m just glad he’s gone....  
Reb8thVA : 7/22/2019 3:27 pm : link
He’s a million dollar talent with a ten cent head. I found increasingly difficult to root for a player who conducted himself in a way I abhorred. Good rifddance.
For me, this just shines a better light on current young NY athletes  
ChaChing : 7/22/2019 3:28 pm : link
I have no issue with enjoying yourself, living it up, even doing what you do regardless of everyone else. But OBJ was too much, and IMO his comment about NYC & twitter followers is obvious but telling - he's more a narcissist than football player...

Where we have a slew of young guys, and the other team fans can add...but Jones, Barkley (esp him given he's basically #1 at his position), maybe Peppers, Hernandez it seems, RJ Barrett so far, Pete Alonso, McNeil, Mika...a lot of guys with seemingly the RIGHT perspective in sharp contrast to this circus clown who no longer matters esp being in the AFC

Miss OBJ on the field, but even THAT was overrated (some of the best #s at WR yet lots of chokes in big games). Add the rest? See ya bud...
I, Me, I, I, Me, I, Me,  
Daniel in Kentucky : 7/22/2019 3:42 pm : link
I, Me, I, I, I, I, I, etc...

Lol!
RE: RE: ....  
Jimmy Googs : 7/22/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14503960 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14503958 CoughlinHandsonHips said:


Quote:


the Giants gave Odell the richest wide receiver contract in NFL history. The fact that this guy feels he wasn’t shown enough respect is laughable



Well, c'mon, they didn't pay for his dog kennel. Cheap bastards.


And who is reimbursing me for the two OBJ jerseys that my wife purchased a few years back?

i guess we all have our crosses to bear with this separation...
RE: RE: RE: ....  
ChaChing : 7/22/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14504038 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14503960 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
In comment 14503958 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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the Giants gave Odell the richest wide receiver contract in NFL history. The fact that this guy feels he wasn’t shown enough respect is laughable


Well, c'mon, they didn't pay for his dog kennel. Cheap bastards.


And who is reimbursing me for the two OBJ jerseys that my wife purchased a few years back?

i guess we all have our crosses to bear with this separation...

I was gonna say you could do jersey exchange!

Then realized that's an NBA thing, nor do I know the time frame allowed to do it...pretty cool idea tho (even tho I'm not a jersey buyer)
OBJunior  
Q v2.0 : 7/22/2019 7:02 pm : link
The dog peeing TD celebration did it for me. Total disrespect for the game, and the opponent that day. Never mind the fans, coaches, and ownership.

Addition by extradition. (Who wants to get extradited to Cleveland?)
My nickname for him was always  
Chris L. : 7/22/2019 7:14 pm : link
Odell Kardashian and this is just the latest example. The guy is an attention whore. He is not happy unless people are talking about him and like the Kardashians it doesn't matter if it is good or bad just that they are talking about him. He will be a BIG problem wherever he goes. The giants did VERY well to get two first round picks plus for this headcase.
I'm sure others keyed on this earlier in the thread  
ChaChing : 7/22/2019 8:01 pm : link
but this line pretty much sums it up:
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I felt disrespected, because I felt like I was a main reason at keeping that brand alive

I don't think I've ever heard any single player talk explicitly about the TEAM brand and state it was nothing without him. I might even accept complaints that 7 targets lead to a loss. Nope, all he's saying is 'brand' 'targets' 'disrespect' '#1 WR' (ignoring the game changing drops) because he's what people want to see (no one's watching NYG ever again?) while shitting on the face of the franchise in Eli, teammates and coaches. I guess he's the only one who a) deserves respect and b) isn't getting it

I get psychologically it happens, but still am baffled how you can SAY one thing and contradict your whole point and STILL miss it:
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They were getting prime-time games, still, as a 5-and-11 team. Why? Because people want to see the show. You want to see me play. That's just real rap. I'm not sitting here like, “It's because of me.” But let's just be real

"I'm not saying it's because of me, but it's totally all because of me." In the same damn breath just about
This thread has me thinking  
Danny Kanell : 7/22/2019 8:04 pm : link
Has anyone heard from or seen Terps? He went from posting 24/7 for years to falling off the face of the earth. Terps if you’re out there, let us know you’re ok bud.
RE: This thread has me thinking  
arcarsenal : 7/22/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14504256 Danny Kanell said:
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Has anyone heard from or seen Terps? He went from posting 24/7 for years to falling off the face of the earth. Terps if you’re out there, let us know you’re ok bud.


FWIW, he mentioned he had another young'n on the way a couple months back - was expecting. Maybe Jr. Terps was born and he's tied up with the newborn life and hasn't had time.

If there's any time to take a break from this place, it's definitely between draft and camp anyway. I bet he'll be back when the season starts.
RE: RE: This thread has me thinking  
Danny Kanell : 7/22/2019 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14504257 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
In comment 14504256 Danny Kanell said:


Quote:


Has anyone heard from or seen Terps? He went from posting 24/7 for years to falling off the face of the earth. Terps if you’re out there, let us know you’re ok bud.



FWIW, he mentioned he had another young'n on the way a couple months back - was expecting. Maybe Jr. Terps was born and he's tied up with the newborn life and hasn't had time.

If there's any time to take a break from this place, it's definitely between draft and camp anyway. I bet he'll be back when the season starts.


True. You’re probably right.
Everything has been covered on this thread  
djm : 7/22/2019 9:30 pm : link
All I will add is all the noise surrounding Beckham and the giants prior to, during and after he was traded was just that, NOISE. I don’t think the giants cared that much when Beckham said or did something stupid. And I don’t think they care now. I think he was dealt because the giants figured (rightly so) that Beckham was become more and more a threat to go Antonio Brown and demand a trade. This was a football trade. Giants acted now before they HAD to act later. Now they could get the 2-3 big asset return. Later you might only get the 1 big asset return. Couple all that with his asshole- ish comments just prior to said trade and the giants were left with little to no choice. They all but had to trade him.

He wasn’t the problem here but we weren’t winning with him either. If it was ever time for a shake up it was now.
His lack of respect for Shurmur was reason enough to trade him.  
yatqb : 7/22/2019 10:46 pm : link
What an egotistical jerk. Great player, but to disrespect your QB (the guy with two SB MVPs) and to show no respect for your coach says it all.
He’s the WORST kind of teammate.  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/22/2019 11:49 pm : link
It’s ALL about him and his brand. Nothing else matters. Winning will always be secondary to his stats and his endorsements. Now from a business standpoint for him that’s fine but he’s a cancer

NFL football is the most team oriented of he major sports. He’s a whiny bitch on top of it. I’m sure he had friends on the team but he’s like a 14year old teen. He’s the last guy I’d want on my team. They could have gotten a 7 th round pick and the trade would be a win. Each interview makes me realize he’s one of the biggest assholes(non criminal) I’ve ever seen in sports.


Fairly early in his career  
Don in DC : 7/23/2019 11:28 am : link
I followed him on social media for a while. The stuff he posted was so stupid and so megalomaniacal that I had to unfollow him, despite remaining a fan of his performance on the field. Fast forward a couple years and it's pretty clear than Giants management got sick of him in much the same way.

His behavior since the trade has only served to confirm that it was the right decision. He is a self-centered diva that is never going to be the centerpiece of a championship team. He demands too many targets, makes too many mistakes, and generally unbalances the offense he plays in.

Moreover, he simply was not the same player in 2018 that he was in the prior years. Gone were the insane runs are catches where he would turn a quick slant into a 50 yard touchdown. Instead he was stepping out of bounds right after making the catch, or quickly hitting the deck rather than take a big hit. He was clearly playing not to get hurt. And when he eventually suffered a contusion in his leg late in the season, he sat out the last four games. Because of a bruise.

I was convinced at the time of the trade that it was a good decision. A first round talent (Peppers), a first round pick and a third round pick, plus the fourth/fifth rounders re-swapped on the heels of the Zeitler trade, plus $18MM in cap room... an amazing haul for a hyped-up pain in the ass.

Kudos to Gettleman.
Rooting against Cleveland  
Rong5611 : 7/23/2019 11:39 am : link
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Fuck - this - guy  
trueblueinpw : 7/23/2019 1:07 pm : link
Such a fucking douche. I’ve gone from awe, to tolerance, to quietly withholding my disdain, to surprising relief and happiness at his trade, to ignoring the ridiculous off season noise to where I am now, which is actively rooting for his utter and complete humiliation. This jack bag just can’t stop saying stupid shit and talking about himself, which actually makes him pretty much like a lot of people. But what really kills me is that he’s always throwing someone under the bus. He has the stones to complain about targets in the Green Bay game? Holly fucking shit! He went on the ridiculously stupid boat trip. He looked like a moron before the game strutting around in the cold. And then, at go time, he shit his fucking pants like the sniffling little baby he is. The truth about OBJ is that he failed to perform in the biggest game of his career. He is often injured. He’s a distraction and an annoyance. It’s true that he was an electric player but he hasn’t demonstrated that same ability since his latest injury.

Good - fucking - riddance.

And it’s nice to see DG & PS getting a little credit for pushing this little cock bag out the door.
RE: A few observations and comments...  
jamesk479 : 7/24/2019 3:05 am : link
In comment 14503898 EricJ said:
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2. He says he has expenses that would need to be covered if he were to go to OTAs.


Grrr. I used to defend. I don't care anymore. I don't hate him - not time for hate in my life. I wish all former Giants players success; however, this time I hope that his success is equal and not greater then when he was with Eli and the Giants. Or, we will never stop hearing about how NY "stunted his brand" - vomit.

Expenses? SMH. Tired of unbelievably rich people acting like they barely make enough to survive. You are a contractor, fool. You pay a trainer of your own volition in order to improve your athletic ability and improve your marketability. Don't like it ahole? Then don't hire a trainer. How about just go to OTAs where there are plenty of qualified trainers for free. Nah...that's not good for your brand - you need to use the same trainer that some other prima donna also used, because why not - you can afford to mingle with the stars. I guess that is the case.

Expenses for a rental it LA. Are you on crack? Were you thinking about trying to get sent to the Rams back then? No reason at all your should be bringing up that bill.

How about we only draft or pick up players who have actually had a real job in their lives. Has OBJ? Probably not. There's prob many in the NFL like that. Such people turn out to simply be idiots.
Don't know if it was..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/24/2019 8:11 am : link
picked up on, but in that article, he also talks about a racial difference with Tom Brady and how his fiery behavior is perceived.
RE: Don't know if it was..  
trueblueinpw : 7/24/2019 8:20 am : link
In comment 14505755 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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picked up on, but in that article, he also talks about a racial difference with Tom Brady and how his fiery behavior is perceived.


Or, could it be, all the Super Bowls that account for the difference in perception? Nah, must be all us racist New York Giants fans, cause’ everyone knows how racist New York is (especially compared to Boston).
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