Green GQ: Odell Beckham Jr., Unguarded
“Are you worried about the OBJ brand shrinking by playing in a smaller market like Cleveland?
I forever will have love for the New York fans. They gave me my first home. But there's this sense of entitlement—like I was made there. And in my head, that was the first place I had the opportunity to show the world what God had set out for me to do. It didn't matter where I was at. Now, did it help that it was Sunday Night Football for the New York Giants versus the Dallas Cowboys? One thousand percent. But The Catch happened around the entire world. I feel like it wouldn't matter where I was at—once you got hooked onto who I was and what I was doing. And who knows? If I was in another place, you don't know if the numbers would've been more or less.”
Did you like the added pressure that comes from playing for a New York team?
I loved it. Not for attention purposes. I just loved New Yorkers. They're such a unique group of people. Good or bad. It's both sides. But God made me. You know what I mean? God made me. That's just where he gave me my first opportunity to show where I was at. It was like lightning struck for me. I remember looking on Instagram after the game [with The Catch] and my followers went up, like, 100K. I was like, This is crazy. And then the next week, going into practice, 200K. It was going at a rate that I was like: If you were to ask me five years ago if I would've had 13 million followers on Instagram, I would've told you, “Nah—no way I would have 13 million followers.”
Do you think there's any validity to the criticism that you're not a good teammate?
You can literally ask any one of my teammates. My on-the-field football never gets talked about unless people are talking about antics. They don't talk about numbers. Where's the reel at? People only want to focus on one thing. I feel like I'm one of the only people in the NFL where my personal life and my brand are the only things that get talked about. They'll do a whole segment about the car that I have on ESPN. Why? I've never been arrested. Never have and never will be putting my hands on a woman. I've never done any crimes. I've never done anything but some little petty, dumb stuff that we keep harping on. They asked, how could I have changed if I didn't go to OTAs? I have to be the very best me to help my team. We don't get paid to be at OTAs. If you want players to be there, make it mandatory and pay them. I got traded to a new team, I already paid to live here in L.A. for the entire summer. Are the Giants or Cleveland going to reimburse me for what I've already paid? Are they going to reimburse my trainers, who I've already paid? Are they going to reimburse me for the dogs who I've had to put in kennels? There's a lot of expenses. Are they going to pay for the rehab I was doing? No. They don't do all of that. That stuff is all on our own. So when it gets time for us to have our own life outside of football, they say something. When the game is done with you, they chew you up, spit you out. You're done. You're done. I have to take care of myself and my family. Period. I talk to everybody in the locker room. When someone gives me free stuff, I ask them to send a hundred of them for my teammates. A hundred Sprayground bags… They put them in the locker room. I asked for them to send me Casper mattresses. They sent me 100 Casper mattresses for the staff and the team.
It seemed like the general consensus among New Yorkers was that the Giants didn't get enough for you in that trade.
I didn't care what they got for the trade.
Where were you when you got the news?
I was in Paris heading to dinner. I saw the calls and was like, “Wow, I wonder where I'm going.” They had been talking about trading me. They could never get past my past. There's always that past that whatever happened, I would never be able to outgrow it. That's why I don't try to bring none of this to Cleveland. I don't even care. When I get there, this is a fresh start for me.
But how'd you feel in that exact moment?
My initial reaction was not disappointment.… I felt disrespected. Like, after everything I've done for them. This is me being honest: This team has not been good for the last six years. Period. Even the year we went to the playoffs and everyone was talking about this and that. And we went there, and I didn't have a great playoff game. Don't get me wrong, I had a terrible game. But I left the game with seven targets, and I'm supposed to be your number one receiver. I left the game with seven targets. We lost. They scored 40 points. It's just all bad. I felt disrespected, because I felt like I was a main reason at keeping that brand alive. They were getting prime-time games, still, as a 5-and-11 team. Why? Because people want to see the show. You want to see me play. That's just real rap. I'm not sitting here like, “It's because of me.” But let's just be real. That's why we're still getting prime-time games. I felt disrespected they weren't even man enough to even sit me down to my face and tell me what's going on.
Who, specifically, is “they”? The G.M.?
The G.M. And I'll forever have respect for [Giants president and CEO] Mr. Mara. Everything he's ever done for me, he's shown nothing but love. Even when we were having our talks, it was coming from a place of love. I could always feel it. So I'll forever have respect for him. But then to be called like that and then be texted by your coach and be like, “Oh, yeah, I heard the news.” Yeah, you heard the news? It happened because of you. The reason I'm gone is because of you. It was just tough because of the way I initially felt. On the other side of it, I was excited about a new start because I had been—honestly, I had been praying to God the season before this season for a change.
You felt like you just couldn't play there anymore.
I can't do this anymore. I just can't do it. I wasn't happy. I wasn't in a good place. And like I told you earlier, I feel like everything is about happiness, and I just was not. And even thinking about my car: I had ordered that car in December.”
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But man, if you really want to shake your head, he thinks he's the reason the Giants were still on TV:
He's bitching about the lack of touches in a playoff game where he dropped two first quarter TD's?? And that he "kept the brand alive".
I wanted OBJ to stay here, but it is clear it was the best move to ship his ass out - especially to Cleveland.
is why the Giants traded him and turned the wheel over to Saquon and a new QB either this year or next year. It wasn't going to end well with Odell. I give him 1 year before he tries to force his way to LA from Cleveland. Getting a young starter, a 1 and a 3 for Odell was about as good as the Giants could have done.
Reread his quote...he wanted out during the season. Disregard.
Were people really supposed to approach Odell before making a move so he could blast it out to Twitter? afterall, he seemingly keeps up with how many followers he has.
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He really is delusional.
Giants read the situation correctly that he was going to be a problem for Saquon and a new QB. We should thank Antonio Brown for pulling the shit he did, he helped the Giants maximize the return on Odell.
It comes off as a bit bitter but I don't think he's really wrong in most of what he said. It doesn't matter what he does he'll get criticized anyway.
It comes off as a bit bitter but I don't think he's really wrong in most of what he said. It doesn't matter what he does he'll get criticized anyway.
No he's not. The Giants are on prime time games with or without Odell. Always have been. Especially with Saquon.
When you almost always have a game against Dallas and Washington in Prime Time, then get one against the Saints, Viking or Packers (as much due to the reputation of the other teams), it isn't just because of Odell. The Jets have gotten several Prime Time games too.
A lot of it is market-size based.
It comes off as a bit bitter but I don't think he's really wrong in most of what he said. It doesn't matter what he does he'll get criticized anyway.
He was the "brand", no question. And going into 2018, he was no longer "brand". He was part of the co-brand with Saquon. Saquon took over as the new face of the team and the best player on the team by the end of the year. I'm just shocked he didn't shit on Eli. But we saw how he felt about Shurmur and Gettleman.
As for the narrative about him being a good teammate: It's possible to be well liked in the locker room, but still be a bad influence. The fact that he was able to convince his fellow receivers to join him on a boat in Miami right before a playoff game shows me this is probably the case with him.
So glad he's gone.
Brilliantly talented player. But simply fact is he views himself and his “brand” as bigger than the team. Grousing about only getting 7 targets in his one playoff game is exhibit A
Cleveland starts losing....see how many prime time games they get
Drafting Saquon at #2 signaled that the Giants were going to change the way their team was built. They were going to focus more on a running game and feature him. The changes to the offensive line, to bring in maulers rather than the "finesse" guys that Reese brought in was another signal.
Odell was not going to be the focus of the offense anymore. He was second banana to Saquon. I honestly hoped they would find a way to make it work in 2019 with both of them and trade Odell before 2020. But I think as it became clear that they were going to go for a QB in the first round this year, they made the decision that the combination of Saquon and a new franchise QB coming in, it was time to send Odell and his drama packing.
We all know he wants to go to LA. The Rams tried to get him for 20 cents on the dollar 2 years ago. I'm sure it was probably a combination of the Rams people and Odell's people making that happen. As he saw fewer passes in 2019, Odell would have done another ESPN interview and started shit again.
The more he talks, the smarter Gettleman looks.
everything else- is at least interesting honest perspective.
Unfortunetly true. As a Giant fan I got tired of defending him. People would tell me how talented he was and the conversation always ended with a BUT he's going to be a disaster at some point. Npw he won't be a Giant's disaster other than the fact he cost them a lot of money this year.
But, this was hard to read. I know it's the common vernacular of most superstar athletes of today, but the first hing I thought after reading the first couple paragraphs was, "this guy has a huge Messiah complex".
Great players put the team on their back win or lose. He throws everyone under the bus. He will go on to have a HOF career and put up great numbers. He is a great talent but not a great player in that he doesn't seem to be interested in winning and losing, he's just about the numbers. His greatest catch came in a game we lost. If Tyree had the helmet catch and we lost the Superbowl would it be that great?
At least now that he's here, you can actually laugh about it.
Odell wants to talk about the playoff game? That's some ironic shit.
That's ridiculous. The 2014 schedule was released two weeks before Beckham was even drafted.
It was Giants/Cowboys on a Sunday night before Thanksgiving. That's a no-brainer for NBC.
At least now that he's here, you can actually laugh about it.
Odell wants to talk about the playoff game? That's some ironic shit.
Now that he's NOT here obviously
...ever since the trade (and maybe before).
Why can't he just accept that Giants management and fans wish him well, and also wish he would just close his boca and play the game!
And you don’t like the GM? Great, he didn’t like you either. Neither did Schurmur or the QB or many of your teammates. Good riddance. Shame on the Giants if they ever think of putting him in the ROH. Everything wrong with being a Giant. No Class, all ass.
He sure talks a lot about The Catch. And strangely enough on,y cared about how many Instagram followers he gained from in it.
Tells you a ton about what he’s thinking when he refers to the catch. And Instagram followers gained. After one of the greatest catches ever made, on National TV. When asked about it, he said he never thought he would have x number of Instagram followers, not about playing in the NFL. MNF nationally televised game. Giants/Cowboys. Nope, insta followers...
FYI, Giants lost that game, betcha he doesn’t remember that...
Never, ever thought of it that way. Incredibly accurate thought though.
When you almost always have a game against Dallas and Washington in Prime Time, then get one against the Saints, Viking or Packers (as much due to the reputation of the other teams), it isn't just because of Odell. The Jets have gotten several Prime Time games too.
A lot of it is market-size based.
we only have 3 prime time games this year and one in mandated (Thurs night)
That's BS. Even one of the most boring teams in NFL history, the Dan Reeves/Dave Brown led Giants - whose best player was a fullback - were on prime time.
It's New York. We're the #1 media market.
LOL.
They will always have at least 1 vs either Dallas or Philly, or the most noteworthy non division opponent on their schedule GB, Pitt, etc.
Most years they will probably not have less than 2.
When they are good they are guaranteed to have 3+.
Beckham can go f himself.
so he answered about his brand.
I think there has been a tilt in the sports mindset towards "the highlight" rather than the team accomplishment. As an old fart, it's one of the things that bothers me about sports in general now. In football, we started to see it with the excessive celebration dances after a 1st down, sack, etc.
It's one of the reasons why I like Saquon so much. He's old school. He scores and he hands the ball to the official.
I don't doubt that Odell will have some tremendous games and highlights in Cleveland. But will that team seriously contend in the playoffs? It will be interesting to watch.
Brilliantly talented player. But simply fact is he views himself and his “brand” as bigger than the team. Grousing about only getting 7 targets in his one playoff game is exhibit A
Spot on! He is and always will be a "me" guy, it's all about him, especially all that stupid sideline shit! It wasn't that he just wanted to win so bad, he just wanted everybody to pay attention to him, not the team on the field!
so he answered about his brand.
I know you're in his corner, but you're fighting a losing battle on this one. There are good and bad ways to answer almost any question.
Even the guys who used to love Odell are cringing at every media interaction.
then why were we getting 5 games in 2015, 2016 etc
we were pretty terrible back then as well
By the way, the Browns have 4 prime time games this year.
If you dont think
Same
But hey - he's just answering a question about his "brand" right?
Oh, and me
nope. Only the 1 mandated game.
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he was asked about his brand.
so he answered about his brand.
I know you're in his corner, but you're fighting a losing battle on this one. There are good and bad ways to answer almost any question.
Even the guys who used to love Odell are cringing at every media interaction.
I dont see any winning or losing in the battle. what makes someone win here?
i just read what he said... took no offense to any of it other then highlighting 7 targets more than him playing bad. outside of that... what was offensive? nothing really- its a person answering questions. people doing victory laps as if this interview validates some biased view --- shows they care as much ore more than OBJ---
the guy is the biggest brand in the NFL- that brand is setting he and his family up for the next 3 generations.
the giants have been a dumpster fire for 6 years... hopefully based on better drafting and getting a line and barkley- that changes--- but it wont be because they traded OBJ or didnt- its just all stupid. its a GQ article
Yeah, I've always defended him when he gets grouped together with players who have done actual bad stuff (like he said here - arrest, abuse, etc) and I'll still defend him that way. But he's just so darn immature in some ways, and that's enough for me to be okay with the fact that they moved on from him.
This interview is just more evidence that he might be a good guy and a great player, but he's immature enough that it totally affects his reputation (and seemingly too immature to realize it).
Giants read the situation correctly that he was going to be a problem for Saquon and a new QB. We should thank Antonio Brown for pulling the shit he did, he helped the Giants maximize the return on Odell.
Just to be fair, let's give the full context. He admits first that he had a terrible game. Of course he should have just left it there instead of getting into his targets count or blaming defense too. But I was a bit surprised/relieved to see him at least admit the first part.
Haha well done. Hey! It’s Enrico Pallazzo!
If anyone has a sense of entitlement it's him! Every time he speaks, the trade seems wiser. Talk about addition by subtraction. What a mess.
They are very close friends and OBJ has presented him with many of those rewards.
You wan't to say that his personality would have been tough for a rookie QB to manage, fine, but he has never been nothing other than ecstatic for his team mates success.
Find me one instance where he had a blow up in a game we won because he didn't get enough targets.
made some reasonable comments about OTAs.
he's gone, wished they had worked things out, based on rumors and some comments he could have handled things better. think his difficulty w/coaching & medical staff were probably the big ticket items that got him shipped out.
but the obsession and dislike some people have for a guy they never even met. unreal. I'm a Giant fan he's no longer a Giant - I'm over it, have been since about a week or so after the trade
Again, if you've been a fan of the team more than five years, you already should know this.
Why is Cleveland getting prime time games this year? Because they are getting good. They would have gotten prime time games this year without Odell. He's just an added draw.
everything else- is at least interesting honest perspective.
Delusional perspective. BTW- if you bitch up adn down teh sidelines about why you resigned with the team, then you are a problem. When you need an IV- because you are pouting (I don't care what is said, he needed an IV in a freaking Rainstorm in October, at night)you are the problem...
Again, if you've been a fan of the team more than five years, you already should know this.
Why is Cleveland getting prime time games this year? Because they are getting good. They would have gotten prime time games this year without Odell. He's just an added draw.
Yes, NY will get 3 min for just being NY. The other 2 are because of him.
The browns may have gotten 1 prime time game over the mandated thurs night without him but no way are they getting 4 games without him.
He is a TV draw, I don't know how you can deny it. Its likely he will either do something spectacular or something crazy. It makes for great television.
I rooted like hell for the guy when he was here, defended some of his stupid stuff and hope he does well in Cleveland. With that being said, I am glad he is off the team. I was shocked and disappointed with the trade at first, but the more things come out, and the more he opens his mouth, the more the trade makes sense.
I want the player (Barkley) who says he's not happy with some sort of ludicrous statistical season if the team isn't winning. And doesn't give a shit about his numbers.
Beckham - over and over again, you hear him talk about his "looks" his targets, not getting the ball enough, not getting used like other receivers. It's ME, ME, ME... MY numbers, MY targets, MY brand.
It's really not that hard to learn how to handle the media and answer questions in better ways. But reporters knew that if they had him behind a mic long enough, he'd give them something controversial. He really just never got better at it.
He so rarely wants to take responsibility for anything. It's like pulling teeth for him to just say "I didn't do enough to help my team win today - I need to be better"
It's everyone else's fault but his.
Football more than any other is a team sport.
I rode for Odell for a really long time because he's such a great talent and made watching the Giants offense exciting when he was 100% and putting the offense on his back (2016). I wanted so badly for him to just finally get it and have it click and get his head in the right place... but over and over again, I'd just cringe at the stuff he'd say and it got harder and harder to defend.
By the point of the ESPN / Lil Wayne thing, I realized it was just never going to change. This is who he is.
I won't root against him or spend my Sundays scoreboard watching the Browns every week out of some sort of strange complex where I need to see them do poorly. I don't think this is going to work out for them, but if it does, good for them - it won't bother me.
But, just look at how much play these threads still get here - and he's not even a Giant anymore.
No one is bigger than the team. I don't want this shit here anymore and I'm glad we've moved on.
No Odell, New York will be New York without you.
And I think that's what is bothering him.
The summary above does a great job, but it’s still a summary
There are a few simple common points you will see from the full interview.
It’s all about him, and it’s plain and simply all about money
I used tot hunk he loved the game.
I now see it was all a farce. He loves the money the game brings him.
He wants to win as much as the next guy, not for any other reason than the fame and fortune it will bring him.
But man, if you really want to shake your head, he thinks he's the reason the Giants were still on TV:
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But I left the game with seven targets, and I'm supposed to be your number one receiver. I left the game with seven targets. We lost. They scored 40 points. It's just all bad. I felt disrespected, because I felt like I was a main reason at keeping that brand alive. They were getting prime-time games, still, as a 5-and-11 team.
He's bitching about the lack of touches in a playoff game where he dropped two first quarter TD's?? And that he "kept the brand alive".
I wanted OBJ to stay here, but it is clear it was the best move to ship his ass out - especially to Cleveland.
Don't forget the pitch and catch 4th and 2 on first drive he dropped. Which cost us points and massive momentum.
The other part I don't get was about not getting paid for rehab. He was out for long stretches of nearly every year he was with the team...do players not get paid when they miss games while rehabbing?
He probably is doing some personal rehab sessions in the offseason.
IMO Beckham was jealous once the Giants added Barkley. He was no longer the main star in NY and became bitter.
The summary above does a great job, but it’s still a summary
There are a few simple common points you will see from the full interview.
It’s all about him, and it’s plain and simply all about money
I used tot hunk he loved the game.
I now see it was all a farce. He loves the money the game brings him.
He wants to win as much as the next guy, not for any other reason than the fame and fortune it will bring him.
Yup.
He probably is doing some personal rehab sessions in the offseason.
Thanks.
I just know that he did a ton of rehab during the season.
No Odell, New York will be New York without you.
And I think that's what is bothering him.
I didn't get that at all. He said he is the reason for FIVE prime time games. And he isn't wrong.
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IMO Beckham was jealous once the Giants added Barkley. He was no longer the main star in NY and became bitter.
Then why does he end up presenting Barkley with just about every award he ends up winning?
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I can’t suggest it enough, but read the entire article.
The summary above does a great job, but it’s still a summary
There are a few simple common points you will see from the full interview.
It’s all about him, and it’s plain and simply all about money
I used tot hunk he loved the game.
I now see it was all a farce. He loves the money the game brings him.
He wants to win as much as the next guy, not for any other reason than the fame and fortune it will bring him.
Yup.
Now I don't think there's anything wrong with this. Not everybody plays the game for the same reasons. If Odell wants to be as famous as possible and make as much money as he can, that's his prerogative. He's well on his way to accomplishing this. But...
...at the same time, it's certainly fair to for the Giants to say we're just better off not having someone like that around the team anymore, no matter how talented he is. And we're better off cutting bait now, getting what we can, before the situation really boils over.
I defended him for a long time, I suppose I still do to an extent. But this offseason has only made it more and more clear that the Giants made the right choice to move on. It wasn't going to work, and it was exhausting. And it would seem that Odell still doesn't really understand why they made the decision they did.
I'm fascinated to see how this season goes in Cleveland.
Here’s the TL; DR (but still long aka a longer summary)
- “I was always the underdog. I wasn't the number one drafted receiver in my class, even though I wanted to be. I said I wanted to be a top-10 pick—I wasn't. I said I wanted to win a Heisman in college—I didn't. At LSU, I wanted to win a national championship. I got there and we got blown out. And then I was like, I have to win Rookie of the Year. There's no ifs, ands, or buts. I have to win Rookie of the Year. I pulled my hamstring, and everyone was like, “Oh, he's a bum, he's a bust,”
—> lol,all I took away from this quote was ‘damn, he’s less of a winner than I thought’. My thoughts went from ‘possibly best WR in history’ to a great stats guy who always comes in 2nd or third. Accurate or not, but it did change my perception of him and his successes
- Talks about growing up, and his idols. Vick and AI. One question after his answers involves advising people to be careful what they say...
—> not the best role models ðŸ˜
Then talks about wanting to retire a couple of years ago, but keeps playing for the money. Yes, flat out says he wanted to quit, but keeps playing to feed his kids...
—> I CANT wait for this full story to reveal itself. Safe to say it involves his animosity towards Giants, and the Giants finally being sick of dealing with his BS
- “Do you think you'll ever make a catch better than that one?
Yeah. That was just one on that stage. And then you got the haters that are like, “Yeah, they still lost that game.” That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. I go back and look at my stats and how people talk about me, and it's like, “Oh, but you never won anything,” and you do this and that. And I go and watch every highlight, and every highlight I'm watching, it's third down. It's making a big play. It's late in the game when we're down, to get us closer. These are game-changing moments.”
—> game changing, perhaps. But to me it brings me back to him finishing 2nd and 3rd more than I thought about. He considers a game changing play to be a play that made the team lose by less points. Perhaps an ALMOST game changing play. Or momentum changing, but not exactly game changing.
“He's won six Super Bowls.” I want to win the same way he wants to win. Whether I hit a kicking net or whether I do whatever. I want to win that bad. I care about winning more than anything. I didn't get into this to celebrate and score touchdowns. I didn't get into this for followers for Instagram.
—> strange comment, but I think that’s projection at its finest. I think he would eat up interview day at the Super Bowl. I think he, more than any other player, would live for the two week buildup. And would want to win, make a game winning play, purely for the fame, money and followers.
- “I wake up every day from 6:30 a.m., to then leave the facility at 5 p.m., to then have to go home, do two hours of rehab, to then do whatever, to then need to go to sleep, like I said. I have six hours a day to do what they would call free time. My free time is spent on a table, doing a massage or yoga. There's not enough time in the day.”
—> did he really consider the hours he sleeps as part of his work day? His job? That his free time is wasted away doing yoga and getting messages? Way to win over the masses
—> His whole rant about not getting paid for OTAs. How he should get reimbursed for renting a house in LA, his trainers, dogs kennel. Is he insane? He gets paid an insane amount of money. I assume he knows about OTAs since they happen EVERY year... but wants to be reimbursed because no one told him about OTAs? Then follows it up that he’s a good teammate because when someone sends him something for free, he asks for 100 FREE things. So far, it’s all about money with him, in case it isn’t obvious: won’t do things he isn’t paid to do, loads up on freebies, and almost quit but couldn’t pass up the money... never about the team. EVER.
—> I love how he considers himself on same level as LeBron. Who at least has won. But is know on for being A Rod like in being “misunderstood” aka an insincere selfish prick. So Vick, LeBron and AI...
—> Here’s a doozy: I would be up and down the sidelines saying that, like, “Why did you sign me?”
—> The following back and forth I found hysterical. Reality is, he’s keeping his hair because it’s a money maker, it’s his “brand”. Blames it on “I’m doing it for the kids”, but then mocks adults for idolizing him 😂
“Have you thought about cutting the hair to punctuate the fresh start?
I'm thinking about it.
Really?!
Yeah. But I would probably grow it back out. I feel like after I cut it I would just get used to not having it. But I know kids all around the world love it.
Do you think the hair is part of your signature in the same way the Catch logo is?
It definitely is, bro. I have a personal attachment to it. Just because it's my hair. It is my hair. I've had grown men come up to me with my haircut.
That must be weird.
It is weird. But it's, like, Aye bruh, if that works for you”
—> I actually gained a ton of respect for his answer to people questioned him if he is gay pr not. That might have been his only ‘real, honest’ answer in the whole interview. You could tell it wasn’t pre planned, thought out - but genuine.
—> Here we go again...
“Any chance you'd be a commentator?
No chance. No disrespect to those guys. If you see me on one of those shows, it's because I'm getting a healthy paycheck. It's going to be that.... So after football, I could see the movie thing. I can see some shows. I can see some Hollywood-esque stuff.”
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That goes for Shep and any and all players on the team.
Similar to putting my dog down who has been getting old and crippled but u just look for those glimpses for reasons why you don’t take her to the vet to put her to sleep
And then when u do your like “ damn. That was really the best thing to do and I should have done that awhile ago”
Nothing “ bad” about Odell
But he is not a leader, clearly is interested in “ me” over team and just isn’t the type of guy to push u over the top
Insane talent. Someone can win a Super Bowl with him but it won’t be because of him
The distraction just started to outweigh the talent
If d Lawrence balls as I think he can,plus peppers active ss/ rover ,plus throw is 2020 salary cap relief. Well let’s just say it benefits both parties
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I can’t suggest it enough, but read the entire article.
The summary above does a great job, but it’s still a summary
There are a few simple common points you will see from the full interview.
It’s all about him, and it’s plain and simply all about money
I used tot hunk he loved the game.
I now see it was all a farce. He loves the money the game brings him.
He wants to win as much as the next guy, not for any other reason than the fame and fortune it will bring him.
Yup.
Now I don't think there's anything wrong with this. Not everybody plays the game for the same reasons. If Odell wants to be as famous as possible and make as much money as he can, that's his prerogative. He's well on his way to accomplishing this. But...
...at the same time, it's certainly fair to for the Giants to say we're just better off not having someone like that around the team anymore, no matter how talented he is. And we're better off cutting bait now, getting what we can, before the situation really boils over.
I defended him for a long time, I suppose I still do to an extent. But this offseason has only made it more and more clear that the Giants made the right choice to move on. It wasn't going to work, and it was exhausting. And it would seem that Odell still doesn't really understand why they made the decision they did.
I'm fascinated to see how this season goes in Cleveland.
I don't think Odell is a bad guy - I really don't. There have been so many guys who have come through this league, and even played here, who were just genuinely shitty people.
Odell is just who he is. But he is exhausting.
Most people have probably been in a relationship at some time or another in their lives where you're really attracted to the person, but you know it's just not working out and it's not going to. You try desperately to find ways to fix it or change that; but at the end of the day, you just know.
(I know that's a kind of weird analogy to use since we're talking about a football player here... )
But, I think the bottom line is just that sometimes you really want something to pan out even when you can see the writing on the wall. I was like that with Beckham for a while.
This NFL season is really going to be interesting. I think the Giants are going to be better for this; and Cleveland is certainly going to be an interesting follow.
Bc, true, buddy..That’s why I capitalized MAY HAVE.
You can't have a stable locker room when the face of the franchise does not respect or care about the franchise. It's Odell first Second and Third.
This Quote "I'll forever have respect for [Giants president and CEO] Mr. Mara. Everything he's ever done for me, he's shown nothing but love. Even when we were having our talks, it was coming from a place of love. I could always feel it. So I'll forever have respect for him." IS so important to understand why he was traded.
The only person Odell Respects in Management is the person he spent the least amount of time. By the way, he only respects Mara because Mara spoke kindly to him during negotiations and gave him a huge contract.
Unfortunately, Odell did not think about how much he respected Mara during the Josina Anderson interview.
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I can’t suggest it enough, but read the entire article.
The summary above does a great job, but it’s still a summary
There are a few simple common points you will see from the full interview.
It’s all about him, and it’s plain and simply all about money
I used tot hunk he loved the game.
I now see it was all a farce. He loves the money the game brings him.
He wants to win as much as the next guy, not for any other reason than the fame and fortune it will bring him.
Yup.
Now I don't think there's anything wrong with this. Not everybody plays the game for the same reasons. If Odell wants to be as famous as possible and make as much money as he can, that's his prerogative. He's well on his way to accomplishing this. But...
...at the same time, it's certainly fair to for the Giants to say we're just better off not having someone like that around the team anymore, no matter how talented he is. And we're better off cutting bait now, getting what we can, before the situation really boils over.
I defended him for a long time, I suppose I still do to an extent. But this offseason has only made it more and more clear that the Giants made the right choice to move on. It wasn't going to work, and it was exhausting. And it would seem that Odell still doesn't really understand why they made the decision they did.
I'm fascinated to see how this season goes in Cleveland.
I don't think Odell is a bad guy - I really don't. There have been so many guys who have come through this league, and even played here, who were just genuinely shitty people.
Odell is just who he is. But he is exhausting.
Most people have probably been in a relationship at some time or another in their lives where you're really attracted to the person, but you know it's just not working out and it's not going to. You try desperately to find ways to fix it or change that; but at the end of the day, you just know.
(I know that's a kind of weird analogy to use since we're talking about a football player here... )
But, I think the bottom line is just that sometimes you really want something to pan out even when you can see the writing on the wall. I was like that with Beckham for a while.
This NFL season is really going to be interesting. I think the Giants are going to be better for this; and Cleveland is certainly going to be an interesting follow.
Best and most accurate snippet yet:
Odell is just who he is. But he is exhausting.
WHAAAAAAAAA
That goes for Shep and any and all players on the team.
He might be happy for them - but I can say with 100% certainty that you will NEVER see Barkley complain publicly, or pout if he thinks he isn't being used properly.
Barkley is the anti-OBJ. He is all class, and OBJ is just an ass.
if you have something to say, be a man and say it
I only see me and Hitdog not taking the company line here. What do we have in common?
It's the ongoing IQ test here.
But he seems way more concerned with his brand.
Meanwhile, you have Barkley saying what does it matter if he gets 200+ yards in a game if its a loss.
But he seems way more concerned with his brand.
Meanwhile, you have Barkley saying what does it matter if he gets 200+ yards in a game if its a loss.
You said more succinctly the point that I was trying to make above.
LOL..that is seriously warped logic
I don't think Odell is a bad guy - I really don't. There have been so many guys who have come through this league, and even played here, who were just genuinely shitty people.
Odell is just who he is. But he is exhausting.
Most people have probably been in a relationship at some time or another in their lives where you're really attracted to the person, but you know it's just not working out and it's not going to. You try desperately to find ways to fix it or change that; but at the end of the day, you just know.
(I know that's a kind of weird analogy to use since we're talking about a football player here... )
But, I think the bottom line is just that sometimes you really want something to pan out even when you can see the writing on the wall. I was like that with Beckham for a while.
This NFL season is really going to be interesting. I think the Giants are going to be better for this; and Cleveland is certainly going to be an interesting follow.
Hah yeah I totally can see that analogy. I think we saw it the same way for a while, we were often on the same side of those debates. I desperately wanted it to work but maybe deep down we knew he just never wanted to change
I don't think he's a bad person either, we always said that. Seems to be great with kids and fans, teammates love him, that's all great. And I wish no ill will on him because of that, he provided us with some tremendous thrills as well. But he just seems to completely lack self-awareness and his priorities (his brand) can be very damaging when things aren't going well on the field.
With that in mind, it's not hard to see this devolving into a really bad situation if we kept him, where he completely plummets his value with a trade demand (like AB did) and we get pennies on the dollar, as opposed to the pretty fair deal we did get.
Let's play ball and see how this all goes!
I don't think you'll lose sleep as you likely don't have a whole lot of deep thoughts keeping you up at night
It's the ongoing IQ test here.
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sad that many cant take someone having a different view- but carry on being a dck
Lol no it is not..
Hollywood-esque stuff? Good grief.
LMAO!!!
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are very critical of Eli.
It's the ongoing IQ test here.
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sad that many cant take someone having a different view- but carry on being a dck
Pot meet kettle.
This is absolutely hysterical.
Hollywood-esque stuff? Good grief.
i wish the kicking net fought back for real
Sadly, you are probably 100 percent correct here.
Honestly, it's baffling how much a clueless twat he is
I have no doubt about his future in Cleveland. He's going to be great and he's going to be one of the reasons that team implodes.
And while he doesn't belong in the ring of shame with the likes of Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, Josh Brown or whoever else has committed serious crimes. He's definitely a me-first, selfish asshole who has done multiple things to embarrass himself and the organization he used to play for.
I enjoy the holdouts who still bend over backwards to defend this guy.
I enjoy the holdouts who still bend over backwards to defend this guy.
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“No chance. No disrespect to those guys. If you see me on one of those shows, it's because I'm getting a healthy paycheck. It's going to be that.... So after football, I could see the movie thing. I can see some shows. I can see some Hollywood-esque stuff.”
Hollywood-esque stuff? Good grief.
i wish the kicking net fought back for real
this was funny...
During the season in NY he was able to attend Fashion Shows, Concerts, sit in the front row at Knicks/Nets games. Attend grand openings. He could play a game on Sunday, interview with the NFL Network on Tuesday, Attend Good Morning America on Thursday and rub shoulders with movie/music/fashion stars on Friday, all in a 60 mile radius.
He became the most popular athlete in New York, because of his talent and proximity to other stars. Similar to Broadway Joe in the '60s. He's now the third star in Cleveland, behind Lebron and Mayfield.
He will soon realize that no one is following him to the Cleveland Fashion week. Stars are not going to be at the Cavs vs Lakers game. The Kardashians are not flying into Cleveland to open the newest club in Cleveland. And there is nothing that he can do on the field that will convince Beyonce and JZ to attend a Browns game.
Unfortunately for the Giants the only thing that will keep his brand at its current level will be saying things that will keep the NY media interested. And nothing excites NY Media more than drama.
So get ready to see more articles like this.
WHAAAAAAAAA
I don't get this (granted, I haven't read the article itself yet)....
I could see him feeling disrespected by them trading him, but whatever did they do that he would feel disrespected up until that point?
Hmmm.... OBJ you gotta your buddy Jarvis to stroke you all you want.
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the article also said he felt "disrespected" by the Giants and often thought of "leaving" the game..
WHAAAAAAAAA
I don't get this (granted, I haven't read the article itself yet)....
I could see him feeling disrespected by them trading him, but whatever did they do that he would feel disrespected up until that point?
agree, the Giants put up with his childish embarrassing antics and still gave him an extension.
Odell should be a HOF’er talent but he will not get there because of Odell. He’s narcissistic and can’t control his emotions which greatly affects his play on the field. And as many others have pointed, he never takes responsibility, always an excuse.
Not to mention that he still has yet to prove the ankle hasn’t taken a lot away of what made him special.
2. He says he has expenses that would need to be covered if he were to go to OTAs. He rented a home in Los Angeles for the summer, etc. Well, he knew when OTAs were. If he was dedicated to the team, he would have planned to be at OTAs. Timing with a new QB is extremely important. You would think he would want to be there to develop that to maximize their potential this year. Everyone knows there just are not enough snaps in pre-season anymore.
3. He essentially said that he was "done" in NY before he signed that new contract last summer. I am sure the Giants knew this and the plan all along was to sign and then eventually trade.
4. He believes Shurmur wanted him out of here. How much of a problem was Odell creating on the team (internally) if an offensive minded coach wants one of the most talented receivers OFF of the roster? This leads me to believe there is much more to this story.
Those two quotes tell you everything you need to know about OBJ as a winner/loser. It is all about him. It is exactly why Eli seemed unfazed by him leaving. You either want to win or you want to maximize your stats. Some games those two goals coincide and sometimes they don't. OBJs objective isn't team success - it's individual acclaim. It is really sad to see because he is a guy that I wanted to see retire as a Giant - but he wasn't going to be part of future success.
I don't care how good you are. Not much use from the sideline.
“Good luck without me..... haha”
This person works with the team so I thought I’d bring it up.
No OBJ, they just didn’t care or respect you to tell you. Respect is earned OBJ. And you haven’t earned the respect of being treated like everyone else when you act like a dick to everyone who doesn’t stroke you.
“Good luck without me..... haha”
This person works with the team so I thought I’d bring it up.
I don’t recall that, but I do think someone said, either here or elsewhere, that OBJ had started freelancing routes at some point instead of running what the play called for
No OBJ, they just didn’t care or respect you to tell you. Respect is earned OBJ. And you haven’t earned the respect of being treated like everyone else when you act like a dick to everyone who doesn’t stroke you.
Lol right, is he that dense. This is the team that has been behind him for all his stupid antics and made him the highest paid wr in the game after a serious injury. He wasn't man enough to tell the Giants of his problems when he went .on that interview
But when he was traded he was in Paris. Therefore he planned his expenses around his trip why not plan around OTA
Certainly everyone is entitled to spend their free time doing what they want but how many of us had to work a weekend or travel on a Sunday for a business meeting on Monday?
Just think about this for a minute...
These guys get months off to travel to Miami. They have to do it right before a playoff game? Really? It is not as if this is a union worker who gets just 2 weeks off each year and therefore, every day off is precious.
He talks a lot about his brand. Playing well in that game would have helped his brand. Staying back in NY and putting in extra work would help his brand. UNLESS... instagram pics of himself with Beiber are better for his brand.
What Odell forgets is, who actually paid you so that you could AFFORD. To summer in LA? How can you afford the trip to Paris, because you are paid very well to catch balls. How do you afford personal trainers and dogs - because you play in the NFL.
Now, if you keep skipping OTAs, your stats will eventually suffer. Never mind not helping your team win - but if your stats suffer, so will your bank account. And trips to Paris, LA, etc. WHO WILL REIMBURSE YOU THEN?
This all screams of Matt Harvey to me. A guy spending his future checks rather than earning them.
Well, c'mon, they didn't pay for his dog kennel. Cheap bastards.
Just think about this for a minute...
These guys get months off to travel to Miami. They have to do it right before a playoff game? Really? It is not as if this is a union worker who gets just 2 weeks off each year and therefore, every day off is precious.
He talks a lot about his brand. Playing well in that game would have helped his brand. Staying back in NY and putting in extra work would help his brand. UNLESS... instagram pics of himself with Beiber are better for his brand.
yup
I mean the whole article and interview it's based on concerns his tenure with the Giants. Kinda lost on him...
"On the heels of a 2-Super Bowl championship run, the Odell Beckham Jr. years are utterly forgettable."
Where we have a slew of young guys, and the other team fans can add...but Jones, Barkley (esp him given he's basically #1 at his position), maybe Peppers, Hernandez it seems, RJ Barrett so far, Pete Alonso, McNeil, Mika...a lot of guys with seemingly the RIGHT perspective in sharp contrast to this circus clown who no longer matters esp being in the AFC
Miss OBJ on the field, but even THAT was overrated (some of the best #s at WR yet lots of chokes in big games). Add the rest? See ya bud...
Lol!
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the Giants gave Odell the richest wide receiver contract in NFL history. The fact that this guy feels he wasn’t shown enough respect is laughable
Well, c'mon, they didn't pay for his dog kennel. Cheap bastards.
And who is reimbursing me for the two OBJ jerseys that my wife purchased a few years back?
i guess we all have our crosses to bear with this separation...
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the Giants gave Odell the richest wide receiver contract in NFL history. The fact that this guy feels he wasn’t shown enough respect is laughable
Well, c'mon, they didn't pay for his dog kennel. Cheap bastards.
And who is reimbursing me for the two OBJ jerseys that my wife purchased a few years back?
i guess we all have our crosses to bear with this separation...
I was gonna say you could do jersey exchange!
Then realized that's an NBA thing, nor do I know the time frame allowed to do it...pretty cool idea tho (even tho I'm not a jersey buyer)
Addition by extradition. (Who wants to get extradited to Cleveland?)
I don't think I've ever heard any single player talk explicitly about the TEAM brand and state it was nothing without him. I might even accept complaints that 7 targets lead to a loss. Nope, all he's saying is 'brand' 'targets' 'disrespect' '#1 WR' (ignoring the game changing drops) because he's what people want to see (no one's watching NYG ever again?) while shitting on the face of the franchise in Eli, teammates and coaches. I guess he's the only one who a) deserves respect and b) isn't getting it
I get psychologically it happens, but still am baffled how you can SAY one thing and contradict your whole point and STILL miss it:
"I'm not saying it's because of me, but it's totally all because of me." In the same damn breath just about
FWIW, he mentioned he had another young'n on the way a couple months back - was expecting. Maybe Jr. Terps was born and he's tied up with the newborn life and hasn't had time.
If there's any time to take a break from this place, it's definitely between draft and camp anyway. I bet he'll be back when the season starts.
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Has anyone heard from or seen Terps? He went from posting 24/7 for years to falling off the face of the earth. Terps if you’re out there, let us know you’re ok bud.
FWIW, he mentioned he had another young'n on the way a couple months back - was expecting. Maybe Jr. Terps was born and he's tied up with the newborn life and hasn't had time.
If there's any time to take a break from this place, it's definitely between draft and camp anyway. I bet he'll be back when the season starts.
True. You’re probably right.
He wasn’t the problem here but we weren’t winning with him either. If it was ever time for a shake up it was now.
NFL football is the most team oriented of he major sports. He’s a whiny bitch on top of it. I’m sure he had friends on the team but he’s like a 14year old teen. He’s the last guy I’d want on my team. They could have gotten a 7 th round pick and the trade would be a win. Each interview makes me realize he’s one of the biggest assholes(non criminal) I’ve ever seen in sports.
His behavior since the trade has only served to confirm that it was the right decision. He is a self-centered diva that is never going to be the centerpiece of a championship team. He demands too many targets, makes too many mistakes, and generally unbalances the offense he plays in.
Moreover, he simply was not the same player in 2018 that he was in the prior years. Gone were the insane runs are catches where he would turn a quick slant into a 50 yard touchdown. Instead he was stepping out of bounds right after making the catch, or quickly hitting the deck rather than take a big hit. He was clearly playing not to get hurt. And when he eventually suffered a contusion in his leg late in the season, he sat out the last four games. Because of a bruise.
I was convinced at the time of the trade that it was a good decision. A first round talent (Peppers), a first round pick and a third round pick, plus the fourth/fifth rounders re-swapped on the heels of the Zeitler trade, plus $18MM in cap room... an amazing haul for a hyped-up pain in the ass.
Kudos to Gettleman.
Good - fucking - riddance.
And it’s nice to see DG & PS getting a little credit for pushing this little cock bag out the door.
2. He says he has expenses that would need to be covered if he were to go to OTAs.
Grrr. I used to defend. I don't care anymore. I don't hate him - not time for hate in my life. I wish all former Giants players success; however, this time I hope that his success is equal and not greater then when he was with Eli and the Giants. Or, we will never stop hearing about how NY "stunted his brand" - vomit.
Expenses? SMH. Tired of unbelievably rich people acting like they barely make enough to survive. You are a contractor, fool. You pay a trainer of your own volition in order to improve your athletic ability and improve your marketability. Don't like it ahole? Then don't hire a trainer. How about just go to OTAs where there are plenty of qualified trainers for free. Nah...that's not good for your brand - you need to use the same trainer that some other prima donna also used, because why not - you can afford to mingle with the stars. I guess that is the case.
Expenses for a rental it LA. Are you on crack? Were you thinking about trying to get sent to the Rams back then? No reason at all your should be bringing up that bill.
How about we only draft or pick up players who have actually had a real job in their lives. Has OBJ? Probably not. There's prob many in the NFL like that. Such people turn out to simply be idiots.
Or, could it be, all the Super Bowls that account for the difference in perception? Nah, must be all us racist New York Giants fans, cause’ everyone knows how racist New York is (especially compared to Boston).