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Greg from LI : 7/22/2019 9:53 am
This was pretty amazing, depicting Mo's delivery from his first save overlaid over his delivery from his final appearance. Talk about consistency!
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Not to derail the thread  
pjcas18 : 7/22/2019 9:58 am : link
at all, but the hatchet job done by that "journalist" on Mo on the day of his HOF induction was disgusting.

If you haven't seen it, don't bother, it will probably turn the thread political. But people wonder why so many people dislike or distrust the media.
A hatchet job on Mo??  
Greg from LI : 7/22/2019 10:00 am : link
Pretty much the most universally beloved athlete of our time? I haven't seen it, and I have no interest in looking.
RE: Not to derail the thread  
mfsd : 7/22/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14503606 pjcas18 said:
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at all, but the hatchet job done by that "journalist" on Mo on the day of his HOF induction was disgusting.

If you haven't seen it, don't bother, it will probably turn the thread political. But people wonder why so many people dislike or distrust the media.


I did not see it, and happy to take your advice and not look it up.

Watched his speech, I thought it was great and very moving. Loved how he talked of feeling so alone bc he couldn’t speak English in the minors, so he asked some teammates to help teach him. He told them it was OK to laugh at him as he learned, and said they never did.

Also got passionate riffing in Spanish at the end while acknowledging the president of Panama, who’d made the trip along with a lot of his countrymen.
The Phillies did a segment  
dep026 : 7/22/2019 10:04 am : link
Yesterday showing Halladay asking Mariano about his cutter in 2008 all star game.Mariano showed him how to grip it. Halladay utilizes the pitch for the rest of his career.

For his actions, yankee players fined Mariano for helping a division rival.... haha
RE: The Phillies did a segment  
robbieballs2003 : 7/22/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14503611 dep026 said:
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Yesterday showing Halladay asking Mariano about his cutter in 2008 all star game.Mariano showed him how to grip it. Halladay utilizes the pitch for the rest of his career.

For his actions, yankee players fined Mariano for helping a division rival.... haha


I read an article on that. It was just thumb placement. Halladay used to keep his thumb basically in the center of the ball whereas Mo used to bring it over to his ring and pinky fingers.
RE: Not to derail the thread  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14503606 pjcas18 said:
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at all, but the hatchet job done by that "journalist" on Mo on the day of his HOF induction was disgusting.

If you haven't seen it, don't bother, it will probably turn the thread political. But people wonder why so many people dislike or distrust the media.


I saw that this morning and thought to myself, "This is what the Media is coming to more and more".

Greg, the headline was "Inside HOF'er Mariano River's far-right wing politics" and contains this drivel:
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And over the past three years, he’s also served at the pleasure of a racist president, taken part in thinly veiled propaganda on behalf of a far-right government in Israel, and gotten chummy with outright bigots and apocalyptic loons. None of this will be inscribed on his Hall of Fame plaque. It should, even if much of the sports world would very much like to pretend none of it exists.


I bet if Rivera responded, it would be deemed an "attack"
It still amazes me that he developed the cutter by accident  
Greg from LI : 7/22/2019 10:10 am : link
It amazes me even more that he pitched arguably his greatest season, 1996, before the cutter. He just threw pure gas that year.
Oh for crying out loud  
Greg from LI : 7/22/2019 10:14 am : link
Mariano Rivera has, to my knowledge, never utterly a negative word about any other human being publicly. Outside of being the greatest relief pitcher in the history of baseball, he's most notable for the kindness and respect with which he treated everyone in game, from the lowliest clubhouse attendent and grounds crew workers on up. During his farewell tour, he went out of his way to meet ordinary stadium workers to thank them for the jobs they do.

So yeah, that's the guy you want to slander because you disagree with his political views. Tremendous work.
BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!  
Greg from LI : 7/22/2019 10:16 am : link
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On Wednesday, Rivera was in Cleveland, where he met with about 25 Progressive Field employees, posing for pictures and handing out autographed baseballs. “I appreciate what you guys do,” Rivera said. “We see mostly what goes on when we’re on the field and not what’s going on behind the scenes. I wanted to say thank you for everything that you guys do, for the love and passion you have for your team. It doesn’t matter if you are a Yankee fan or not. You are a baseball fan. “Thank you for being here. I know you are busy, but thank you for taking a little bit of time. I appreciate that.” The Indians were actually scheduled to honor Rivera’s career pregame, but that plan was scuttled by rain. Nonetheless, Rivera still took the time to meet with employees, also holding an impromptu Q&A session. “It was very genuine, very heartfelt, very nice,” said Mary Forkapy, who handles the Indians’ payroll. “He told me I was a very important person.”

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It actually..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 10:16 am : link
looks like the article has a bigger problem with him - His Christian faith.

A complete hack job. To even insinuate that somebody's political views should be put on a HoF plaque is moronic.
It's horseshit  
pjcas18 : 7/22/2019 10:20 am : link
I'm not even a Yankees fan and it pissed me off.
RE: Not to derail the thread  
Mr. Bungle : 7/22/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14503606 pjcas18 said:
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at all, but the hatchet job done by that "journalist" on Mo on the day of his HOF induction was disgusting.

If you haven't seen it, don't bother, it will probably turn the thread political. But people wonder why so many people dislike or distrust the media.

So why did you bring it up?

Just a strange post...
To be fair..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 10:34 am : link
that story ended up being a top-trending one on Yahoo. I saw it and wondered who the fuck really has a problem with Mo. The guy has been a class act his entire career and even in retirement.
The "pre-game" coverage of the ceremonies on MLB network was awesome  
Stu11 : 7/22/2019 10:34 am : link
Girardi was a big part of it and him having such a connection to most of the inductees was really interesting. Some thoughts on the inductions...You really have to feel for Brandy Halladay. That was so tough and emotional for her to get up there, I thought she did a great job keeping it together when you could see she was hanging on by a thread. Lee Smith seems like a genuinely nice guy, felt good for him making it. He didn't have the fortune for pitching for good teams that made it to the post season, as most of his career there was no wild card. As for Mo's speech, if you read his book from a few years back many of the themes and stories from yesterday were in the book. His dad is one tough SOB.
Other thoughts- If you put Moose in, Pettite simply has to be in the HOF. Also if your gonna put a guy like Bagwell in (One look at his crumpled up face with more pocks in it than the moon tells you the guy ingested steroids like candy)You have to consider Bernie.
Also Thurman Munson needs to be in the HOF. 3 straight years of .300/100 rbi's when it was a feat, a ROY, and MVP award in 10 years. Captain of a team that won 3 straight pennants and 2 WS. Pu the damn guy in. if Scooter is in Thurman needs to be in.
RE: RE: Not to derail the thread  
pjcas18 : 7/22/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14503662 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 14503606 pjcas18 said:


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at all, but the hatchet job done by that "journalist" on Mo on the day of his HOF induction was disgusting.

If you haven't seen it, don't bother, it will probably turn the thread political. But people wonder why so many people dislike or distrust the media.


So why did you bring it up?

Just a strange post...


You're strange.

I brought it up in case others had seen it and wanted to discuss it, but if people thought it distracted from the Mo overlay they could ignore it and not derail the thread.

Exactly as I said.
The only..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2019 10:37 am : link
thing about the ceremony I didn't like was the Master of Ceremonies.

Really liked the intro videos of the players.

It was awesome seeing the parade of HOF'ers on the dias. Felt sad for Hank Aaron - but it was cool to see Thome helping him in. A couple guys still looked spry. Joe Morgan was struggling a bit.

Agree with Stu on some of the players that should be in.
When you're the first to respond to a new thread, and you type  
Mr. Bungle : 7/22/2019 10:42 am : link
"Not to derail the thread at all, but..."

...you should probably not post.
the Hammer looked like he was sleeping through most of it  
Greg from LI : 7/22/2019 10:44 am : link
But at his age, can't say I blame him.
When you think of all  
dune69 : 7/22/2019 10:50 am : link
the greatest hitters in the history of baseball you know that none of them would hit prime Mariano's cutter with much success. That is why he is a unanimous selection. I took him for granted in too many games and now I really miss watching him pitch.

There is no idiot writer that can diminish Mo's baseball and human qualities.
.  
arcarsenal : 7/22/2019 10:52 am : link
Not just one of the greatest players to ever set foot on the field - but one of the greatest people.

Jack Curry asked Mariano what he would want a father who watched him to tell his son if he asked "who was Mariano Rivera?" - and Mariano basically said that he would want the father to tell the son that he was a good man and someone who always had others in mind and wanted to be a positive presence always. I loved that answer.

I never got to root for Mo as a "fan" - but I always admired his dominance and just admired him as a human being. He's just a guy that no matter what your allegiance is or was, you had to respect him.

I actually went to the bobblehead night for him on the 12th. Cool little souvenir to have.
RE: When you're the first to respond to a new thread, and you type  
pjcas18 : 7/22/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14503689 Mr. Bungle said:
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"Not to derail the thread at all, but..."

...you should probably not post.


Ok, great work, thread detective. Is this why you're here? You never seem to post anything contextual, even if it slightly derails the thread, you just shit on other people's posts.

Is that why you come to BBI to police what other people post? There has got to be some better way for you to spend your time.

Either way, how about you go fuck yourself.

Can you handle that without derailing the thread any further?
BTW can you think over a better bargain than the Yanks  
Stu11 : 7/22/2019 11:20 am : link
originally signing Mo for $2,000?
I thought it was typical Mo  
bceagle05 : 7/22/2019 11:27 am : link
that he thanked the writers for voting him in but made no mention during his speech of his unanimous selection, likely out of respect to the great players sitting behind him.
I prefer simply to ignore the writer...  
Dunedin81 : 7/22/2019 11:36 am : link
because all he wanted was attention and notoriety and he got that in spades.
In an all out nuclear war  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/22/2019 12:01 pm : link
B1 Bombers would be tasked 1st strike low level bombing runs past air defenses to nuke downtown Moscow or Beijing or something. I wondered what human pilot could possibly be tasked for such a mission. My answer is someone like Mo Rivera.
RE: BTW can you think over a better bargain than the Yanks  
dep026 : 7/22/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14503760 Stu11 said:
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originally signing Mo for $2,000?


My wife dated me for free?
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 7/22/2019 12:20 pm : link
1) Where can I see the speeches in their entirety, instead of broken into snippets of each? Or better, the entire ceremony? I don't have MLB Network, so that isn't an option?

2) Re: the thread starter - This is exactly what I have told my son, who wants to pitch. The only player I said worth watching for mechanics is Rivera. First, his mechanics were eerily consistent from day one to day of retirement. Second, they are flawless. He has the most fluid, effortless delivery I've ever seen. There is a reason he never had significant injuries after his initial elbow surgery. And, contrary to a lot of the stories, it was not Tommy John surgery.

3) Related to #2 and the rest of this thread, I also told him Rivera was one of the few athletes emulating off the field as well. By all accounts, he was about the best man in sports. I always start out saying, there is one guy in baseball who would shock me to learn about steroid use. Before I finish, most people cut me off and say Jeter. Nope. It's Rivera, for a variety of reasons.
RE: The  
Matt M. : 7/22/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14503671 Stu11 said:
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Girardi was a big part of it and him having such a connection to most of the inductees was really interesting. Some thoughts on the inductions...You really have to feel for Brandy Halladay. That was so tough and emotional for her to get up there, I thought she did a great job keeping it together when you could see she was hanging on by a thread. Lee Smith seems like a genuinely nice guy, felt good for him making it. He didn't have the fortune for pitching for good teams that made it to the post season, as most of his career there was no wild card. As for Mo's speech, if you read his book from a few years back many of the themes and stories from yesterday were in the book. His dad is one tough SOB.
Other thoughts- If you put Moose in, Pettite simply has to be in the HOF. Also if your gonna put a guy like Bagwell in (One look at his crumpled up face with more pocks in it than the moon tells you the guy ingested steroids like candy)You have to consider Bernie.
Also Thurman Munson needs to be in the HOF. 3 straight years of .300/100 rbi's when it was a feat, a ROY, and MVP award in 10 years. Captain of a team that won 3 straight pennants and 2 WS. Pu the damn guy in. if Scooter is in Thurman needs to be in.
I think the arguments for Pettitte and Munson are easy to defend. Bagwell compared to Bernie is not. In one less season, Bagwell has 300+ more RBI and runs, similar hits, and 200 more HRs. I'm not considering the possibility of steroids. The numbers just don't add up, as much as I'd like them to.
RE: RE: When you're the first to respond to a new thread, and you type  
wonderback : 7/22/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14503711 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14503689 Mr. Bungle said:


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"Not to derail the thread at all, but..."

...you should probably not post.



Ok, great work, thread detective. Is this why you're here? You never seem to post anything contextual, even if it slightly derails the thread, you just shit on other people's posts.

Is that why you come to BBI to police what other people post? There has got to be some better way for you to spend your time.

Either way, how about you go fuck yourself.

Can you handle that without derailing the thread any further?


Mr. Bungle an idiot. Ignore him. I understood you perfectly. Appreciate the information. Love Moe!!!
RE: RE: When you're the first to respond to a new thread, and you type  
Mr. Bungle : 7/22/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14503711 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14503689 Mr. Bungle said:


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"Not to derail the thread at all, but..."

...you should probably not post.



Ok, great work, thread detective. Is this why you're here? You never seem to post anything contextual, even if it slightly derails the thread, you just shit on other people's posts.

Is that why you come to BBI to police what other people post? There has got to be some better way for you to spend your time.

Either way, how about you go fuck yourself.

Can you handle that without derailing the thread any further?

You seem well-adjusted.
RE: RE: RE: When you're the first to respond to a new thread, and you type  
Deejboy : 7/22/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14503867 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 14503711 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


In comment 14503689 Mr. Bungle said:


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"Not to derail the thread at all, but..."

...you should probably not post.



Ok, great work, thread detective. Is this why you're here? You never seem to post anything contextual, even if it slightly derails the thread, you just shit on other people's posts.

Is that why you come to BBI to police what other people post? There has got to be some better way for you to spend your time.

Either way, how about you go fuck yourself.

Can you handle that without derailing the thread any further?


You seem well-adjusted.

You seem to butt your nose into things where it doesn't belong. Take his advice.
RE: The  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/22/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14503671 Stu11 said:
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Girardi was a big part of it and him having such a connection to most of the inductees was really interesting. Some thoughts on the inductions...You really have to feel for Brandy Halladay. That was so tough and emotional for her to get up there, I thought she did a great job keeping it together when you could see she was hanging on by a thread. Lee Smith seems like a genuinely nice guy, felt good for him making it. He didn't have the fortune for pitching for good teams that made it to the post season, as most of his career there was no wild card. As for Mo's speech, if you read his book from a few years back many of the themes and stories from yesterday were in the book. His dad is one tough SOB.
Other thoughts- If you put Moose in, Pettite simply has to be in the HOF. Also if your gonna put a guy like Bagwell in (One look at his crumpled up face with more pocks in it than the moon tells you the guy ingested steroids like candy)You have to consider Bernie.
Also Thurman Munson needs to be in the HOF. 3 straight years of .300/100 rbi's when it was a feat, a ROY, and MVP award in 10 years. Captain of a team that won 3 straight pennants and 2 WS. Pu the damn guy in. if Scooter is in Thurman needs to be in.


I liked the first half of your post, but disagree with your player comps.

Andy Pettitte had a great career and was a great Yankee. But he was not, by any means on Mike Mussina's level either for a peak run or for an entire career.

Mussina had a better ERA (pitching entirely in the AL East with no NL stints) and often against the Yankees; he had a better strikeout rate, a better walk rate, threw more innings, had more wins, had a better winning percentage, and had a significantly higher WAR (81.2 fWAR, 82.8 bWAR for MM compared with 68 fWAR, 60.6 bWAR for APP).

Pettitte's Top 10 Cy Young finishes: 2nd, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th

Mussina's Top 10 Cy Young finishes: 2nd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th, 5th, 6th, 6th, 6th

Mussina also had a significantly better postseason ERA.

And Pettitte had some HGH use (which was for recovery and I think it should be allowed, but it is a part of his history).


Separately, as much as I loved Bernie Willinms, Jeff Bagwell is on another level from Bernie as well. Bagwell is arguably a Top 5 first baseman of the live ball era.
I thought of Munson yesterday, too,  
bceagle05 : 7/22/2019 12:53 pm : link
while Brandy Halladay was giving that great speech. I'd love to see Diana Munson deliver one for Thurman someday. That would be a great moment in Yankee history.
Mariano  
Carson53 : 7/22/2019 1:00 pm : link
is the epitome of class. Have to give a great tip of the hat to Brandy Halliday,
tough for her to do that, I am sure!
Interesting tidbit  
DC Gmen Fan : 7/22/2019 3:43 pm : link
The blue jays drafted Halladays son in the 34th round in this years draft to honor his dads #34
RE: RE: Not to derail the thread  
JesseS : 7/22/2019 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14503617 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14503606 pjcas18 said:


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at all, but the hatchet job done by that "journalist" on Mo on the day of his HOF induction was disgusting.

If you haven't seen it, don't bother, it will probably turn the thread political. But people wonder why so many people dislike or distrust the media.



I saw that this morning and thought to myself, "This is what the Media is coming to more and more".

Greg, the headline was "Inside HOF'er Mariano River's far-right wing politics" and contains this drivel:


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And over the past three years, he’s also served at the pleasure of a racist president, taken part in thinly veiled propaganda on behalf of a far-right government in Israel, and gotten chummy with outright bigots and apocalyptic loons. None of this will be inscribed on his Hall of Fame plaque. It should, even if much of the sports world would very much like to pretend none of it exists.



I bet if Rivera responded, it would be deemed an "attack"


Although obviously not on the same level, I don't think it's necessarily beneficial to say that's what the media is coming to. The article was an outlier as far as coverage of Mo. You're going to have outliers. It's way too easy to say this is what "x" is coming to. Sometimes that's the case, but in general, media is all over the place! It's been that way for a long, long time.
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Mo is my favorite Yankee ever and I've been a fan since 1958  
Del Shofner : 7/22/2019 4:24 pm : link
so that's saying quite a bit. That a one-inning pitcher would be the first unanimous selection to the HOF also says a lot about how the game has evolved (as I've read in some other interesting articles). Mo just deflected that, saying that if other HOF pitchers (Koufax etc.) had been one-inning pitchers they'd have been as great as him.

Maybe, maybe not.

Anyway - I missed all the ceremonies (I've been in Germany) but it's gratifying to see all the good stuff about Mo, and whoever is saying bad stuff, screw them.
Mo's my favorite Yank too  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/22/2019 6:26 pm : link
He is an uncanny absolute singular freak. Maybe Yogi would have been if I was from that era.
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