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DanMetroMan : 7/22/2019 12:09 pm
Keith Smart and Knicks point guard Dennis Smith Jr. have been summer shooting pals for six weeks, in three cities, for countless hours. And it started in a chair.

The Knicks assistant coach warned Smith the process would be “tedious.” It’s been all of that — and the alliance may turn so successful, the shape of the Knicks’ season could change.

https://nypost.com/2019/07/21/knicks-shot-doctor-is-trying-to-save-dennis-smith-jr/

Nick Hauselman started a YouTube scouting channel eight years ago called “BBallBreakdown,” in which he uses analytics and dissects technique to determine future NBA potential of college players.

The Post asked Hauselman to get down and dirty on Barrett’s Vegas showing, and he reviewed film on all 125 of his possessions.

There was good and bad, and Hauselman can’t be confident the Knicks have an All-Star in their midst, forecasting a potentially average rookie year.

“I think he can be a solid contributor for a long time,’’ Hauselman said. “I don’t know if we’ll see it this year. He’s not the savior that will add 10 wins.’’

Barrett shot 24% from beyond the 3-point line, but Hauselman thinks that will increase as a rookie.

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Nick Hauselman
“His 3-point shot is OK,’’ Hauselman said. “When he hops, he looked definitely smoother than when he does the 1-2 step.’’

https://nypost.com/2019/07/19/rj-barretts-knicks-summer-league-breakdown-hes-not-the-savior/


Oregon power forward Kenneth Wooten, the 6-foot-9 leaper who impressed during the Las Vegas Summer League, has agreed to terms on an Exhibit 10 contract to attend Knicks training camp and fight for a roster spot, The Post has learned.

The Exhibit 10 deal guarantees Wooten $50,000 as long as he plays 45 days with the Westchester Knicks, should he be cut from the Knicks’ 15-man roster. The high flyer went undrafted and committed to the Knicks’ summer league team in Las Vegas, where he posted 10 blocks in four outings, playing 52 minutes.

His agent, Mitchell Butler, who played at UCLA and with three NBA teams, told The Post he considers Wooten “a top 5 athlete coming in with running, jumping and how quick his feet move.”

Butler believes Knicks brass sees him as having a future with the big club.

“He’s freakish,’’ Butler said.

https://nypost.com/2019/07/20/kenny-wooten-getting-another-big-knicks-chance/

The group of players for this is not long. Proven NBA players like Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson assumed most of the playing time, which limited the opportunities for others, but they can still reach out to a few options.

It starts with Tyler Cavanaugh, a former Utah Jazz player, who played in all five summer league games. He averaged 10 points in just 15 minutes and shot 52 percent. The Knicks do not have any more two-way spots left, so the 25 year old can seek other opportunities, but he sticks out as the next player to lock up for training camp.

Amir Hinton went undrafted as Division II’s leading scorer in 2018-19. With only 4.3 points per game in the summer league, it was difficult for him to stand out; but for someone who displayed nearly 30 points per contest in his final collegiate season, the Knicks can at least see what they have.

VJ King also went undrafted in June, after spending three disappointing seasons with Louisville. He was once a five-star recruit but never lived up to the hype. To try tapping into that potential, New York can give him a look on an Exhibit 10 deal.

https://dailyknicks.com/2019/07/21/new-york-knicks-summer-league-roster-can-hint-next-exhibit-10-deals/
i enjoy following shot reconstructions  
hitdog42 : 7/22/2019 12:34 pm : link
the guy "lethal shooter" on social media has been working with some players and marketing his brand quite well. fun to watch
Wooten really is an elite athletic talent  
Heisenberg : 7/22/2019 12:35 pm : link
but his offensive game is incredibly limited. A good developmental prospect
DSJ with a decent outside shot  
PhilSimms15 : 7/22/2019 12:36 pm : link
would be a star. One of the most athletic guys in the NBA, he gets to the rim fairly well even though defenders don't have to respect his shot. If they need to play him closer, he will blow by most but the best defenders.
RE: DSJ with a decent outside shot  
hitdog42 : 7/22/2019 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14503872 PhilSimms15 said:
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would be a star. One of the most athletic guys in the NBA, he gets to the rim fairly well even though defenders don't have to respect his shot. If they need to play him closer, he will blow by most but the best defenders.


star is a bold leap--- there are like 15 stars in the nba.
he would be potentially a starting caliber guard on a playoff team with an improved shot.

i like the gamble on him talent wise
RE: RE: DSJ with a decent outside shot  
Strahan91 : 7/22/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14503880 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 14503872 PhilSimms15 said:


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would be a star. One of the most athletic guys in the NBA, he gets to the rim fairly well even though defenders don't have to respect his shot. If they need to play him closer, he will blow by most but the best defenders.



star is a bold leap--- there are like 15 stars in the nba.
he would be potentially a starting caliber guard on a playoff team with an improved shot.

i like the gamble on him talent wise

Depends on your definition of star. I view there being 8-10 superstars in the NBA but a larger contingent of stars but like I said, it heavily depends on one's own definition.
Very curious to see who starts at the guard spots.  
bceagle05 : 7/22/2019 1:11 pm : link
Smith Jr., Payton, Barrett, Trier and Dotson are all viable candidates. I would think DSJ and RJ are the favorites, though Payton and Dotson are the best defenders of the group.

I'd be shocked if the starting front court isn't Morris/Randle/Mitch.
What's the consensus on Frank?  
Beezer : 7/22/2019 1:51 pm : link
What in the hell are they going to do with him?
RE: What's the consensus on Frank?  
81_Great_Dane : 7/22/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14503933 Beezer said:
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What in the hell are they going to do with him?
I read somewhere online that Frank has grown taller and may now be best suited to another position.

This made me think: When people are still growing, there is literally a period of time where their brains haven't caught up with the length of their limbs. That's the awkward adolescent phase when teens are clumsy. If Frank is still growing, I wonder if it's going to take a little time for his coordination to fully catch up with his body.

In any event, he hasn't got a lot of time. If he comes into camp and shows he's elevated his game, can get to the rim, can distribute, has a 3-point shot that other teams have to respect, can stay reasonably healthy, then he can either make the team or be traded. If he shows up with no offense, he's going to be discarded. He's going to have to earn further investment by the Knicks in his development.
Frank elevated his game?  
GiantsUA : 7/22/2019 2:17 pm : link
I highly doubt it. Bad pick.
RE: Very curious to see who starts at the guard spots.  
ColHowPepper : 7/22/2019 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14503909 bceagle05 said:
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Smith Jr., Payton, Barrett, Trier and Dotson are all viable candidates. I would think DSJ and RJ are the favorites, though Payton and Dotson are the best defenders of the group.
bceagle05, I find you to be a mostly rational, pretty well informed poster (: My question for you is re. Barrett: even discounting the first two games of SL because of nerves, whatever, and looking at the balance of his SL season and what you may or may not have seen of him with Duke last season, was his ascent to the #3 overall pick in the draft warranted, in your opinion? Are there others who, easily, should have been graded above him, as a prospect, irrespective of position? Interested in your take.
ColHowPepper, I appreciate the compliment..  
bceagle05 : 7/22/2019 2:52 pm : link
I don't watch as much college bball as others, but I had no issue with Barrett at #3. My main concern was his potential fit with two other max free agents, but sadly that didn't materialize. If we had two stud free agents lined up, you could've made a stronger case for a Culver/Hunter pick and/or a trade down. I was intrigued by Darius Garland because of his lethal shooting ability, but he only played a few college games.

I worry more about how Barrett will be used. If he's strictly a spot-up shooter playing off of Dennis Smith, it's gonna be ugly. He strength is making reads in the pick and roll and getting downhill to the rim. They need to give him chances to do that while he works on his perimeter game.

Overall, it seems like he fills up the box score and takes basketball very seriously, so I'm expecting good things.
Durant info  
TyreeHelmet : 7/22/2019 3:07 pm : link
I know someone who works for the Nets who finally gave me some details about everything.

-He said Durant was considering the Clippers with Kawhi and that was his 2nd choice.

-Top choice was with Kyrie and they had been planning it for 6 months.

- Deandre Jordan played a major role in connecting KD with Brooklyn. Didn't elaborate anything else.

Nothing news shattering here but interesting info. Not a great look for the Knicks to have Deandre Jordan on the roster and have him steer Durant to Brooklyn...
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/22/2019 3:34 pm : link
keep going back to this... but the biggest thing with Frank is how quickly the team seemingly gave up on him. To me that's pretty damning. Fizdale opted to go with Trey Burke and later Mudiay over Frank despite Mudiay being a pending FA the Knicks had little chance of keeping. You'd think such a high lottery pick would be the type Fizdale would salivate over didn't (at all). He's now hinted Frank is a 2... where they already have Trier and picked Barrett #2 overall as well as signing Bullock.
RE: Frank elevated his game?  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/22/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14503953 GiantsUA said:
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I highly doubt it. Bad pick.

No choice really. Between his knee and groin issues he couldn’t take the stairs.
I know we want Fiz to settle into one rotation but  
Del Shofner : 7/22/2019 3:39 pm : link
with the relatively equal levels of talent across 15 players I'm wondering if there are going to be certain squads against certain opponents and other squads against others, depending on what the opponent is bringing to the table. We'll all probably hate that but it wouldn't surprise me. I won't hate it if it works, but who knows right now.
DMM I know what you're saying  
ChaChing : 7/22/2019 3:48 pm : link
but Frank has done about as little as you can to still be around. His D is not as advertised save a few flashes, has done little else. Injury certainly hasn't helped but I'd find it tough to blame Fiz just on that...

I'm a little concerned w/ Fiz since basically no one improved all that much in a year. But even so it's way too early for to judge many of them or him...tho he's certainly on the clock
RE: Durant info  
steve in ky : 7/22/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14504005 TyreeHelmet said:
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I know someone who works for the Nets who finally gave me some details about everything.

-He said Durant was considering the Clippers with Kawhi and that was his 2nd choice.

-Top choice was with Kyrie and they had been planning it for 6 months.

- Deandre Jordan played a major role in connecting KD with Brooklyn. Didn't elaborate anything else.

Nothing news shattering here but interesting info. Not a great look for the Knicks to have Deandre Jordan on the roster and have him steer Durant to Brooklyn...


Was it Deandre Jordan steering KD or following him?
RE: DMM I know what you're saying  
DanMetroMan : 7/22/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14504037 ChaChing said:
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but Frank has done about as little as you can to still be around. His D is not as advertised save a few flashes, has done little else. Injury certainly hasn't helped but I'd find it tough to blame Fiz just on that...

I'm a little concerned w/ Fiz since basically no one improved all that much in a year. But even so it's way too early for to judge many of them or him...tho he's certainly on the clock


Oh to be clear, I'm not knocking the Knicks as much as I'm suggesting he must look really bad in practice and their internal "feel" isn't great. That's scary. My point on Fizdale was more... players like DSJ (talented but haven't performed) are generally the bread and butter of a coach trying to "win" with lesser talent and Fiz seemed down on Frank so quickly it's scary.
I've long thought that Frank should go to the G league  
Heisenberg : 7/22/2019 4:02 pm : link
and just play as much as possible with the ball in his hands. He's never looked comfortable offensively, aside from a quarter here, a five minute stretch there. And the result is that he's been one of the worst offensive players in the league.

Send him to G League and tell him if he wants to come back, put up 15-20 shots and 3-5 3's a game.
Got it...yeah agreed on Fiz  
ChaChing : 7/22/2019 4:02 pm : link
you'd have hoped for a bit more improvements than we saw in individuals

As I said b4, IMO he may not quite be on the hot seat for 2019 (save a REAL shit yr), but he is certainly on the clock now

And if we're here a yr from now having to dig up support vs just agreeing on obvious, legit improvement from some of KK, MR, RJ, Iggy, Dot and others...that would be quite damning on the coach
thanks, bc  
ColHowPepper : 7/22/2019 5:09 pm : link
for your thoughts...as much as he seems a work in progress, and as much as his game seems limited (not a spot up shooter or step back)--and from what I saw of him, not a ++athlete/slasher/beat your man off the drive/not a pure shooter--can't dope out how consensus got him to where Knicks picked him
Duncan joins the Spurs coaching staff.  
bceagle05 : 7/22/2019 5:47 pm : link
Hard to picture an NBA legend as an assistant coach, but Timmy’s always been his own guy.
RE: Duncan joins the Spurs coaching staff.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/22/2019 9:11 pm : link
In comment 14504148 bceagle05 said:
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Hard to picture an NBA legend as an assistant coach, but Timmy’s always been his own guy.


That's how they are paying him. The Spurs for years always had players take discounts. Now it is Duncan's chance to collect the money he gave up. Everybody always said that it wouldn't surprise them to see Duncan have a job in the organization somewhere after he's done playing.
Maybe Frank can become a Tayshuan Prince type if he can grow to  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/22/2019 9:28 pm : link
6-7 or 6-8.

The moves he's practicing below are the ones every player here would hone in junior high, it should be second nature by now.

Maybe he just played a total brand of ball in France growing up. Anyways, here's hoping that he gets some PT to show his stuff next year.
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