for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Ex-Giant Jeff Hatch pled guilty to drug charges...

81_Great_Dane : 7/22/2019 5:51 pm
... and is the reason the Vice President abruptly cancelled his New Hampshire trip a few weeks ago.

If this turns into a political discussion I'll take the thread down.

Quote:
Jeff Hatch, who agreed in federal court Friday to plead guilty and will face up to four years in prison, works for an opioid addiction treatment center in southern New Hampshire that Pence was set to visit. A former New York Giants player, he has spoken publicly for years about his own challenge with drug and alcohol addiction, which ended his football career.


Oh, is that what ended his career? Got it.

Behind Pence’s Air Force Two cancellation: A drug dealer - ( New Window )
...  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/22/2019 6:00 pm : link
Come on, you've been thinking...  
81_Great_Dane : 7/22/2019 6:02 pm : link
... "Whatever happened to Jeff Hatch?"
My friend was  
Pete in MD : 7/22/2019 6:13 pm : link
at UPenn at the same time as Hatch and knew him fairly well. He thought it was hysterical when he was drafted.
Working for a treatment center and selling fentanyl?  
j_rud : 7/22/2019 6:21 pm : link
That's about as slimy as you can get.
Oh, is that what ended his career?  
Gman11 : 7/22/2019 7:00 pm : link
It could be why he wasn't any good.
Wow  
DC Gmen Fan : 7/22/2019 7:05 pm : link
story as to why Pence returned went from a potential national security issue involving a Russian nuke sub to Jeff Hatch...


gotta love the internet speculators.
Ah yes ...  
Beer Man : 7/22/2019 7:08 pm : link
Hatch, an over-hyped BBI poster boy, who rose quickly in fans eyes, only to wilt even quicker.
RE: Ah yes ...  
81_Great_Dane : 7/22/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14504221 Beer Man said:
Quote:
Hatch, an over-hyped BBI poster boy, who rose quickly in fans eyes, only to wilt even quicker.
I remember BBI being ready to burn down the site (or the Giants scouting offices, or something) from the minute the pick was announced. Poster boy in the sense of "Exhibit A for the Giants' front office being terrible."
j_rud  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 8:10 pm : link
slimey ? it's addiction
RE: j_rud  
arcarsenal : 7/22/2019 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14504258 bc4life said:
Quote:
slimey ? it's addiction


Selling fentanyl is an addiction?

That's news to me.

It is lethal and can easily kill people. Yes, it's fucking slimy.
sounds like he's selling  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 8:18 pm : link
fentanyl because of his addiction

no kidding - fentanyl is lethal. who knew?
.  
arcarsenal : 7/22/2019 8:20 pm : link
Cool, so let's just absolve anyone who sells a deadly substance that can easily kill other people because they're addicts.

Why hold anyone accountable for anything?
no he's accountable  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 8:25 pm : link
not saying that. just puts a different slant on it. someone dealing because they know they have a target rich environment (aka addicts in rehab) versus addict dealing to feed their habit.

he's accountable, but I think the motivation is different
found this - ( New Window )
He can be both  
Dunedin81 : 7/22/2019 8:29 pm : link
There are users who deal to support a habit, but there are user-dealers who sell well in excess of what they need to support a habit (as seems to be the case with the quantity at issue.

And IF he was selling while working at a recovery center, especially if he was selling to folks he was supposed to be helping to recover, slimes would be an understatement.
I remember Hatch  
Matt in SGS : 7/22/2019 8:30 pm : link
for when he refused to go to mini camp as a rookie without language in the contract to cover if he got hurt and how he would get compensated. In reality, he actually was making a good point. But he was the wrong guy to deliver that message. He was the prime example of drafting for need just because they needed an OL even though the value wasn't there.
Matt  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 8:35 pm : link
Don't watch college ball so I generally try to reserve judgment re: draft picks. afetr I saw him play I thought "gee I could have picked a better player"
Dunedin81  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 8:38 pm : link
Fair point. But if he is addicted - he can't even help himself.
RE: j_rud  
j_rud : 7/22/2019 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14504258 bc4life said:
Quote:
slimey ? it's addiction


You cab separate the addict from the behavior. Being addicted is an explanation, not an excuse or absolution. Addict or not, either way its slimy.

Please dont presume to lecture me on this topic.
RE: Dunedin81  
Dunedin81 : 7/22/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14504284 bc4life said:
Quote:
Fair point. But if he is addicted - he can't even help himself.


I deal with addicts on a regular basis. The great majority are quite capable of “helping themselves” from moving that quantity of something as lethal as fentanyl. If for no other reason than that their habit would have prevented them from putting together enough capital to stake that weight. And at that weight the Biggie rules usually apply.
no one is fucking  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 8:50 pm : link
lecturing you. just making a point - if you don't agree you don't agree
RE: no one is fucking  
Mad Mike : 7/22/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14504296 bc4life said:
Quote:
lecturing you. just making a point - if you don't agree you don't agree

Right. And we don't agree. Dealing a deadly drug is slimy. Having an addiction of your own which you're trying to support doesn't make it less slimy.
A member  
Les in TO : 7/22/2019 8:53 pm : link
Of the esteemed 2003 offensive line
yes because addiction  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 8:56 pm : link
doesn't make you do things your rational mind or morals tells you is wrong, or even slimey
Nice reference to the Biggie rules there.  
flicker, flea : 7/22/2019 8:57 pm : link
And Hatch's actions are indeed slimy, particularly so when considering the position he held.
And yet he wasn’t the worst olinemen that year  
bubba0825 : 7/22/2019 9:00 pm : link
Tam Hopkins and Ian Allen were awful
RE: yes because addiction  
j_rud : 7/22/2019 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14504302 bc4life said:
Quote:
doesn't make you do things your rational mind or morals tells you is wrong, or even slimey


Sure it does. And youre still responsible for those things. Again, you can seperate the addict from the behavior. He can be a sick person who does incredibly slimy things. And we can say that without judging him. Responsibility and accountability are important. As someone who was/is in recovery Jeff Hatch knows this. As a recovering heroin addict, I know this.
I disagree....plenty of addicts that still have a moral compass.  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/22/2019 9:01 pm : link
Selling drugs at a rehab center is fucking slimy. Guy is a shitbird.
Addiction excuses or mitigates some things...  
Dunedin81 : 7/22/2019 9:04 pm : link
But it’s not a carte blanche to commit every manner of crime, even those with a tenuous connection to addiction.

I deal with vets, personally and professionally. PTSD is offered in mitigation of all manner of crimes, from SA to DV. There are crimes which, intuitively and in literature, might be reasonably attributed at least partially to PTSD. But the guy who offered it to explain molesting his daughter found zero traction.

Moving large quantities of fentanyl while holding down a job amidst people whose life’s work is to sniff out relapse does not strike me as a fruit of the disease, but rather a business opportunity made possible by his connections forged in recovery.
J_rud....have you heard of kratom? I take it for my pain but  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/22/2019 9:06 pm : link
they have these "bars" (most don't serve alcohol) here in South Florida that are always packed with ex junkies. Makes me sick with what the DEA and FDA are trying to do to mischarecterizing and lying about it. Shit has saved countless lives.
I have. Mixed feelings about it.  
j_rud : 7/22/2019 9:11 pm : link
I tend to believe that in most cases an addictive personality can't safely use any mind altering substance. My experience, both personally and now professionally, tends to bear this out. There are exceptions to the rule but theyre rare. It would fall under the harm reduction model, which has its merits but is controversial in its own right.
kratom?  
bc4life : 7/22/2019 9:18 pm : link
never heard that much about it
link - ( New Window )
Kratom is no different than coffee in my book without the helpful  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/22/2019 9:34 pm : link
antioxidants. I've been using daily for years. The slight sense of euphoria/well being I used to get is gone, I actually feel nothing on it mentally unless I don't take it and than I just may feel flat.

Its not something that you can take to get high on a regular basis. Its kind of like mushrooms in that aspect where if you take it certain days in a row it gives you nothing. I wouldn't even classify it as a high even when I did feel it. It also has drastically cut down on my alcohol intake. It has similar effects to Baclofen I felt.

Honestly it has been a wonder drug for me, kills my back pain without getting me high, solved my gastro problems, and has completely killed my desire for alcohol unless I want to party/socialize/date.

That article states that Hatch  
11 to 89 : 7/22/2019 9:47 pm : link
was caught with 15,000 doses of fentanyl! That sounds like more than simply an addict selling enough to support his habit.
Kratom is often found in conjunction with hard drugs...  
Dunedin81 : 7/22/2019 10:25 pm : link
And has been present at a couple local ODs. Like MJ, it doesn't mean it's awful, people use it pretty safely, but this idea that there are no dangers associated with it isn't necessarily the case either.
Dunedin Kratom is pretty self limiting in that aspect  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/22/2019 10:31 pm : link
It makes you feel extraordinarily naueses and sick well before doses you could OD if that is even possible. I don't think you could physically do it unless you were sitting there shovelling pills into your mouth.
RE: Kratom is often found in conjunction with hard drugs...  
Sonic Youth : 7/22/2019 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14504421 Dunedin81 said:
Quote:
And has been present at a couple local ODs. Like MJ, it doesn't mean it's awful, people use it pretty safely, but this idea that there are no dangers associated with it isn't necessarily the case either.
Thanks for the string of interesting posts. Re: Kratom, I sometimes question if it actually can be used responsibly to be honest...
in Albany summer when Hatch was rookie, i believe he wore 67, but  
plato : 7/23/2019 1:42 am : link
someone, ? Joey in VA, saw this guy with a long thin neck on which an elongated head bobbed and called him “ pencil neck” and how he couldn’t be any good. he was right he stunk in camp and his career was non existent. not from drugs but lack of talent and body to be an offensive lineman. the opposite of a “ hogmollie”
fentanyl is a synthetic narcotic, which has been overused by younger  
plato : 7/23/2019 1:52 am : link
physicians for years as a continuous drip in icu”s in ventilated patients. now it is made in china the prime adversary of liberty and america, who allow their drug maker/dealers to pour it into this country. bad all around. should be stopped by Chinese government if they cared, because they could.
RE: Dunedin Kratom is pretty self limiting in that aspect  
Dunedin81 : 7/23/2019 7:08 am : link
In comment 14504428 Zeke's Alibi said:
Quote:
It makes you feel extraordinarily naueses and sick well before doses you could OD if that is even possible. I don't think you could physically do it unless you were sitting there shovelling pills into your mouth.


Apologies for poor wording on my part. It was present as a contributor, one of a number of drugs used (heroin or heroin/fentanyl doing the heavy lifting). Nobody I'm familiar with has ODed on kratom alone. It struck me, and I could be mistaken, as something like benzos taken in conjunction with harder drugs and dangerous for its enhancement effect rather than for anything it does in isolation.
I think Kratom is present in so many overdoses  
j_rud : 7/23/2019 8:12 am : link
bc a lot of people are using it as an opiate alternative, find that it doesnt quite scratch that itch, and resume opiate use while using the kratom. I dont know that theres a potentiator like muscle relaxers used in combination with opiates but its possible. Another recent trend thats a bit of a head scratcher is a high prevalence of gabapentin in tox screens following overdose.
Yeah Virginia just scheduled gabapentin for that reason  
Dunedin81 : 7/23/2019 8:24 am : link
...
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/23/2019 8:33 am : link
Jesus Christ:

Quote:
now it is made in china the prime adversary of liberty and america,
Iirc,  
Big Blue '56 : 7/23/2019 8:51 am : link
he incurred a severe back injury/problem during his first(?) preseason..Perhaps that led to his current addiction
Correct me if I am wrong, but,  
sober297 : 7/23/2019 9:41 am : link
didn't Hatch delay coming to rookie camp, because of injury settlement language, or an injury waiver agreement?
RE: Correct me if I am wrong, but,  
arcarsenal : 7/23/2019 9:43 am : link
In comment 14504593 sober297 said:
Quote:
didn't Hatch delay coming to rookie camp, because of injury settlement language, or an injury waiver agreement?


Yes. I believe Matt in SGS posted about it earlier in the thread.
Back to the Corner