... and is the reason the Vice President abruptly cancelled his New Hampshire trip a few weeks ago.
If this turns into a political discussion I'll take the thread down.
Jeff Hatch, who agreed in federal court Friday to plead guilty and will face up to four years in prison, works for an opioid addiction treatment center in southern New Hampshire that Pence was set to visit. A former New York Giants player, he has spoken publicly for years about his own challenge with drug and alcohol addiction, which ended his football career. |
Oh, is
that what ended his career? Got it.
Behind Pence’s Air Force Two cancellation: A drug dealer - (
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gotta love the internet speculators.
Selling fentanyl is an addiction?
That's news to me.
It is lethal and can easily kill people. Yes, it's fucking slimy.
no kidding - fentanyl is lethal. who knew?
Why hold anyone accountable for anything?
he's accountable, but I think the motivation is different
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And IF he was selling while working at a recovery center, especially if he was selling to folks he was supposed to be helping to recover, slimes would be an understatement.
You cab separate the addict from the behavior. Being addicted is an explanation, not an excuse or absolution. Addict or not, either way its slimy.
Please dont presume to lecture me on this topic.
I deal with addicts on a regular basis. The great majority are quite capable of “helping themselves” from moving that quantity of something as lethal as fentanyl. If for no other reason than that their habit would have prevented them from putting together enough capital to stake that weight. And at that weight the Biggie rules usually apply.
Right. And we don't agree. Dealing a deadly drug is slimy. Having an addiction of your own which you're trying to support doesn't make it less slimy.
Sure it does. And youre still responsible for those things. Again, you can seperate the addict from the behavior. He can be a sick person who does incredibly slimy things. And we can say that without judging him. Responsibility and accountability are important. As someone who was/is in recovery Jeff Hatch knows this. As a recovering heroin addict, I know this.
I deal with vets, personally and professionally. PTSD is offered in mitigation of all manner of crimes, from SA to DV. There are crimes which, intuitively and in literature, might be reasonably attributed at least partially to PTSD. But the guy who offered it to explain molesting his daughter found zero traction.
Moving large quantities of fentanyl while holding down a job amidst people whose life’s work is to sniff out relapse does not strike me as a fruit of the disease, but rather a business opportunity made possible by his connections forged in recovery.
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Its not something that you can take to get high on a regular basis. Its kind of like mushrooms in that aspect where if you take it certain days in a row it gives you nothing. I wouldn't even classify it as a high even when I did feel it. It also has drastically cut down on my alcohol intake. It has similar effects to Baclofen I felt.
Honestly it has been a wonder drug for me, kills my back pain without getting me high, solved my gastro problems, and has completely killed my desire for alcohol unless I want to party/socialize/date.
Apologies for poor wording on my part. It was present as a contributor, one of a number of drugs used (heroin or heroin/fentanyl doing the heavy lifting). Nobody I'm familiar with has ODed on kratom alone. It struck me, and I could be mistaken, as something like benzos taken in conjunction with harder drugs and dangerous for its enhancement effect rather than for anything it does in isolation.
Yes. I believe Matt in SGS posted about it earlier in the thread.