NFT: Yankees vs Cowboys Debate

Its ManU or Real Madrid.

American sports teams recognized globally? Yankees and it's not close.

Like taking candy off a little kid.

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The Cowboys probably have a national edge here in the states; but there's no way the Cowboys are more popular than the Yankees on a global basis. The Yankee logo is a brand - people who aren't even baseball fans overseas wear the Yankee cap just as a fashion statement. They don't wear Dallas Cowboys merchandise.

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recognizable than the Yankees in the US or internationally.

You have to consider the difference in sports. NFL revenue was like 5 BILLION dollars more than MLB last year - despite baseball playing a 162 game season and football playing a mere 16.

Football is much more popular in America than baseball, and there are a lot of Cowboys fans outside of Dallas.

I actually would at least somewhat buy the argument in the US only.

Globally, though - no way. Not even close. You won't see anyone wearing Dallas Cowboys shit overseas. The Yankees are an international brand.

In comment 14504336 arcarsenal said:

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You have to consider the difference in sports. NFL revenue was like 5 BILLION dollars more than MLB last year - despite baseball playing a 162 game season and football playing a mere 16. Football is much more popular in America than baseball, and there are a lot of Cowboys fans outside of Dallas. I actually would at least somewhat buy the argument in the US only. Globally, though - no way. Not even close. You won't see anyone wearing Dallas Cowboys shit overseas. The Yankees are an international brand.

The Yankees are every opposing team's max draw(iirc). Yankees arrive, ticket sales go up substantially

Yes, but that doesn't address the discrepancy in popularity between sports.

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recognizable than the Yankees in the US or internationally.

This. Globally it’s not even close

somehow indicative of the teams. The Yankees and Cowboys literally just represent Americana to people. The Yankees have a classic visually appealing logo that has NY on the front representing what a lot of people think of when they think America.

You know what people really think of when they think of America? Cowboys and specifically Texans, cowboy boot wearing, truck driving, gun toting, don't mess with Texas, independent arrogant SOBs. Most the rest of the world thinks Americans are a bunch of Cowboys and football is the most American sport. And the star represents that.

I know tend to own baseball hats and most of them like the giants more than the Yankees. Baseball hats are baseball hats. I wish I could find as many Giants hats as I do Yankees ones when I buy my yearly hat. Shit my roommate is a big Giants fans and barely watches the Yankees but owns a Yankees hat because he likes tha it has NY on it.

There are probably more Cowboys fans than Yankees fans, simply because the sport of football is more popular, but the Yankee logo is iconic beyond the borders of America. Aaron Judge said something along those lines in London; how he saw plenty of Yankee hats around the city but no one who knew who he was. I'd go as far as to say just as many people are aware of the New York Yankees as teams like Real Madrid... but of course, actual knowledge of the team (or the sport!) is another story.

So I'd say there are more people impacted by the performance of the Cowboys than the Yankees, but the Yankees are more "well-known."

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In comment 14504336 arcarsenal said: Quote: You have to consider the difference in sports. NFL revenue was like 5 BILLION dollars more than MLB last year - despite baseball playing a 162 game season and football playing a mere 16. Football is much more popular in America than baseball, and there are a lot of Cowboys fans outside of Dallas. I actually would at least somewhat buy the argument in the US only. Globally, though - no way. Not even close. You won't see anyone wearing Dallas Cowboys shit overseas. The Yankees are an international brand. The Yankees are every opposing team's max draw(iirc). Yankees arrive, ticket sales go up substantially

I think the Red Sox might actually be the top visiting team in MLB, attendance-wise, but that's a function of the Yanks being the visiting team in tiny Fenway while the Sox get to be the visiting team in Yankee Stadium. If you net out the games between those two, then the Yanks are the top visiting draw in the league.

In comment 14504689 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 14504346 section125 said: Quote: In comment 14504336 arcarsenal said: Quote: You have to consider the difference in sports. NFL revenue was like 5 BILLION dollars more than MLB last year - despite baseball playing a 162 game season and football playing a mere 16. Football is much more popular in America than baseball, and there are a lot of Cowboys fans outside of Dallas. I actually would at least somewhat buy the argument in the US only. Globally, though - no way. Not even close. You won't see anyone wearing Dallas Cowboys shit overseas. The Yankees are an international brand. The Yankees are every opposing team's max draw(iirc). Yankees arrive, ticket sales go up substantially I think the Red Sox might actually be the top visiting team in MLB, attendance-wise, but that's a function of the Yanks being the visiting team in tiny Fenway while the Sox get to be the visiting team in Yankee Stadium. If you net out the games between those two, then the Yanks are the top visiting draw in the league.

I was talking about all the teams. I did a quick look and the Cubs are #1(67% increase in sales), Yankees #2 (54%) and way back are the Red Sox(31%) at #3. This is increased attendance over normal caused by a visiting team.
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personal experience, I've only consciously noticed Cowboys apparel once overseas - in Venice by a guy from the United States.

Meanwhile, I've seen Yankees stuff almost everywhere I've traveled. Hell, I even bought knock-off Yankee stuff in Hong Kong before. I've frequently asked if there's anything I can bring to people when I've gone to travel and several times, the response was a Yankees hat or t-shirt. But that question can elicit some interesting responses from Tylenol to Timberland boots - requested twice by two different people!

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In comment 14504689 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 14504346 section125 said: Quote: In comment 14504336 arcarsenal said: Quote: You have to consider the difference in sports. NFL revenue was like 5 BILLION dollars more than MLB last year - despite baseball playing a 162 game season and football playing a mere 16. Football is much more popular in America than baseball, and there are a lot of Cowboys fans outside of Dallas. I actually would at least somewhat buy the argument in the US only. Globally, though - no way. Not even close. You won't see anyone wearing Dallas Cowboys shit overseas. The Yankees are an international brand. The Yankees are every opposing team's max draw(iirc). Yankees arrive, ticket sales go up substantially I think the Red Sox might actually be the top visiting team in MLB, attendance-wise, but that's a function of the Yanks being the visiting team in tiny Fenway while the Sox get to be the visiting team in Yankee Stadium. If you net out the games between those two, then the Yanks are the top visiting draw in the league. I was talking about all the teams. I did a quick look and the Cubs are #1(67% increase in sales), Yankees #2 (54%) and way back are the Red Sox(31%) at #3. This is increased attendance over normal caused by a visiting team. Visitor Draws - ( New Window )

Two things flawed with that link:

1) that's SeatGeek's data for sales on their platform, not overall ticket sales through all primary and secondary ticketing channels.
2) they're using ticket pricing above average as their metric, not attendance above average. The two do tend to go hand in hand, but it's not absolutely 100% correlative.

If fans of the Red Sox (or Yankees, or whatever team) are buying their tickets through any other channel than SeatGeek, that's not reflected in the link you provided. And then within SeatGeek's own environment, if amateur resellers (read: season ticket holders selling off some of their tickets) for whatever reason price the Red Sox games lower than Yankees or Cubs, that also factors into the way SG is calculating their results.

By using pricing exclusively as their only data point, and not including any context for dynamic pricing along a sales curve, their data is inherently dirty: for example, assuming that even an amateur reseller understands to increase pricing as sales velocity rises, a rabid fan base can skew the numbers by being so quick to buy secondary market inventory that the resellers miss out on the chance to react with price increases on sufficient seats to balance the data.

about a remote tribe in the Amazon that had little human contract. And two of the guys in the tribe had Yankees hats.

In comment 14504740 Gatorade Dunk said:

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By using pricing exclusively as their only data point, and not including any context for dynamic pricing along a sales curve, their data is inherently dirty: for example, assuming that even an amateur reseller understands to increase pricing as sales velocity rises, a rabid fan base can skew the numbers by being so quick to buy secondary market inventory that the resellers miss out on the chance to react with price increases on sufficient seats to balance the data.

You would think this would be an easy look up, but it is not. I finally got one that showed average attendance home and away through ESPN and the Dodgers were #1, Yanks #2, Cubs #3 for 2018 for away attendance.

Not easy to decypher.