ok, not really any other news, but Szapucki is BACK (or close to it).
5 IP 4H 2 BB 9 K's. I didn't hear how his stuff was, but easily his best start since his return and in A+
77 pitches, so he's being stretched, but he's also getting through 5 without a ton of work.
I wonder if Named Later was listening on the radio and can tell us how his stuff sounded.
@yaschwa30
LHP Thomas Szapucki in his first season back from TJS has been brilliant this season and tonight was no different:
5 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 9 K
His fastball reaches 98 with a spectacular curveball and a sharp changeup. Now that he is coming into form, his value will skyrocket
Kaye
Wolf
Allen
Baty
Newton
Mauricio
Woods Richardson
Kilome
Gimenez
Vientos
The Mets will have one of the better farms in the league
Smith. Alonso Mcneil. Conforto Rosario Nimmo
Degrom Syndergaard.
This is a solid core to move forward
Just change the fucking manager
No stealing
No bunting
No hit and run
No imagination and manufacturing runs
And awfulmanagement of the bullpen
How would you rank the SP in the system right now?
My philosophy is to have a #2 starting prospect at every level. They aren’t even close to having that right now. And to be honest, few teams ever do achieve that.
You want your flops, the guys who never learn how to “pitch” to turn into the Mejia’s and Familias of the world
My philosophy is to have a #2 starting prospect at every level. They aren’t even close to having that right now. And to be honest, few teams ever do achieve that.
You want your flops, the guys who never learn how to “pitch” to turn into the Mejia’s and Familias of the world
I meant more in relation to each other within this system, not compared to other systems.
SWR seems like he's claimed the top spot despite Kay getting the most recognition since he's closer, then there's the 2nd level with Puck/Allen/Wolf?/Santos?. Then there's the Dibrell/Smith/Peterson group that's uninspiring but somewhat progressing. Was curious if there's any stronger feeling on any of them (other than SWR).
Kaye
Wolf
Allen
Baty
Newton
Mauricio
Woods Richardson
Kilome
Gimenez
Vientos
The Mets will have one of the better farms in the league
Smith. Alonso Mcneil. Conforto Rosario Nimmo
Degrom Syndergaard.
This is a solid core to move forward
Just change the fucking manager
No stealing
No bunting
No hit and run
No imagination and manufacturing runs
And awfulmanagement of the bullpen
Not particularly close to one of the better farm systems in baseball. Maybe that looks different 12 months from now but the farm remains below average.
Not particularly close to one of the better farm systems in baseball. Maybe that looks different 12 months from now but the farm remains below average.
Tanous probably deserves a raise, the last 2 drafts were remarkably important keeping the system from bottoming out after the graduations and trades the past couple years. If BVW hadn't taken a wrecking ball to the 2018 draft they'd probably be considered top half of mlb.
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Not particularly close to one of the better farm systems in baseball. Maybe that looks different 12 months from now but the farm remains below average.
Tanous probably deserves a raise, the last 2 drafts were remarkably important keeping the system from bottoming out after the graduations and trades the past couple years. If BVW hadn't taken a wrecking ball to the 2018 draft they'd probably be considered top half of mlb.
Oh sure if Brodie doesn't trade 5-6 prospects including 2 of their top 3-4 then sure they would have a farm near the top but he did. The farm remains below average across the board. What is the organizational strength? Where are the top 100 "lock" prospects going into next year? It's weak, things can change though.
The OF is a disaster and the P is not good but getting better thanks to SWR/Allen/Wolf/Santos and Szapucki's progress.
The OF is a disaster and the P is not good but getting better thanks to SWR/Allen/Wolf/Santos and Szapucki's progress.
Gimenez is likely at the back end or even off many top 100 lists. He has had a very poor season by any standard. No knock on Baty but hot start or not he has an overall line of .215/.329/.431, he won't sniff a single HM let alone top 100. SP is really horrendous and BA didn't have a single OF in the Mets top... 30! prospects pretty amazing.
Gimenez hasn't had a good season to this point but he still has a 101rc at SS and his power numbers in AA improved YoY. If he has a strong finish to the season this year could still end up a positive one for him and even if not I doubt he falls off any top 100 lists unless he regresses big time the last few months.
Gimenez hasn't had a good season to this point but he still has a 101rc at SS and his power numbers in AA improved YoY. If he has a strong finish to the season this year could still end up a positive one for him and even if not I doubt he falls off any top 100 lists unless he regresses big time the last few months.
There is a 0% chance Baty makes any reputable top 100 lists. He was the 12th pick in the draft and isn't putting up big numbers or play a premium position. He's struck out 25 times over 65 ab's. Sure if suddenly he goes on some ridiculous tear I guess anything is possible but it would be really shocking.
The point isn't that Baty is great, it's that he's just 1 of several good IF prospects in the org and they have a recent track record of both drafting and developing position players well (most of them were similarly good and not great prospects).
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@yaschwa30
LHP Thomas Szapucki in his first season back from TJS has been brilliant this season and tonight was no different:
5 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 9 K
His fastball reaches 98 with a spectacular curveball and a sharp changeup. Now that he is coming into form, his value will skyrocket
My buddy and I went to Atlanta to catch the Braves 2 weekend games vs Nats (now that was some good baseball), so I missed Szapucki's start. Sounds like he's right on track to finish strong at St Lucie and start next year at Bing.
I've seen SWR pitch when he came thru Charleston in May. What I saw in that game was he was around the plate a little too much....he had a lot of K's but the RiverDogs just went up there swinging and the hits started falling in. His last few starts he's cut way down on the hits, but still kept up the K rate. He's only 18 but he's learning how to pitch.
As far as Big Lefty Peterson -- I'm not giving up an a 6'5" 240 pound lefty no matter how old he is in AA. The light bulb can turn on at any second.
The point isn't that Baty is great, it's that he's just 1 of several good IF prospects in the org and they have a recent track record of both drafting and developing position players well (most of them were similarly good and not great prospects).
My point wasn't picking about Baty. My point was there is no real argument for the Mets having one of the better farm systems in baseball. Based on what?
If we are talking organizational strength vs. other farm systems then I still fully disagree especially considering how far (and bust potential because of this) Mauricio, Baty, Vientos and Newton (the 4 best outside of Gimenez) are from the big leagues.
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I never said they had one of the better farm systems in baseball because they don't.
If we are talking organizational strength vs. other farm systems then I still fully disagree especially considering how far (and bust potential because of this) Mauricio, Baty, Vientos and Newton (the 4 best outside of Gimenez) are from the big leagues.
Of those mentioned, Mauricio is the one with top ten prospect/star potential. Kelenic was the other. Allan has a chance to be the third.
half-assing it is not what anyone wants. As bad as they've been they need to hit rock bottom to truly build a contender and sadly they haven't done that. As a fan I would support if it was properly orchestrated.
@JonHeyman
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Mets are committed sellers now, but they don’t believe they can do total rebuild in NY. Syndergaard is coveted by others (esp Yanks but many teams) but remains unlikely to be dealt now. The hope is 1 good start for Wheeler will draw interest. Vargas probably most likely to go.
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I never said they had one of the better farm systems in baseball because they don't.
If we are talking organizational strength vs. other farm systems then I still fully disagree especially considering how far (and bust potential because of this) Mauricio, Baty, Vientos and Newton (the 4 best outside of Gimenez) are from the big leagues.
Statistically speaking I think that's just off. Using simple math there are 30 teams in baseball so the league mean is 6.6 prospects in the top 200 counting all positions, not just IF. I don't know the exact distribution of positions of those in the top 200 but I'd guess about half of those players are either OF or P. So the mean number of infielders each team would have on that list would also be half (3). If we can accept that those 5 Met infielders qualify (as FG has them ranked) they are clearly better represented in that area than league average. BA even has a 6th IF'er (Alvarez) ranked ahead of Newton/Vientos.
Obviously the flip side of this coin is having 0 OF'ers in the top 200 which is a huge weakness and pretty pathetically below average. And even worse is likely having 0 P, though that's at least as slightly more volatile position to predict and there's at least some hope. Kay and Szapucki have made lists here and there, the high draft picks the last couple years have upside. Dealing Dunn and Kelenic was a shortsighted move that further weakened an already imbalanced system.
half-assing it is not what anyone wants. As bad as they've been they need to hit rock bottom to truly build a contender and sadly they haven't done that. As a fan I would support if it was properly orchestrated.
They missed the boat on the rebuild - the time to do that was before signing JDG and giving him a NTC and before trading Kelenic/Dunn. JDG's contract is perfectly fair value so I guess they could still theoretically get something done, but I honestly don't think a full rebuild was a no-brainer decision then and it's even less of 1 now with Alonso being a star and McNeil being for real.
This roster has 6 players in their mid-20's, with multiple years of control, who have made all star teams. I don't think there are a lot of other teams who can say that. JDG + Familia are a little older than "mid-20's" and they would bring that number to 8. Rosario + Dom Smith aren't all stars but they are cheap and have upside. All of those guys were homegrown except Diaz.
If they can't successfully go for it with this group, when will they ever?
With Cole as an impending UFA, this is a big year for Houston to strike again while the iron is hot.
Call them up and offer Noah for Kyle Tucker + Seth Beer + JB Bukauskas. See if you can attach Familia to the deal or get them to kick in some cash.
With Cole as an impending UFA, this is a big year for Houston to strike again while the iron is hot.
Call them up and offer Noah for Kyle Tucker + Seth Beer + JB Bukauskas. See if you can attach Familia to the deal or get them to kick in some cash.
I like Tucker but they don't have playing time for another COF'er.
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to poo-poo the idea of trading Syndergaard.
With Cole as an impending UFA, this is a big year for Houston to strike again while the iron is hot.
Call them up and offer Noah for Kyle Tucker + Seth Beer + JB Bukauskas. See if you can attach Familia to the deal or get them to kick in some cash.
I like Tucker but they don't have playing time for another COF'er.
I'm not sure Seth Beer is a fit for the Mets either. He is a poor defender and is likely a 1B/DH in the future. If I were the Mets I would demand Forrest Whitley in the package.
Did he really say that?
#3 today
Kay 5.2 / 6k / 4r / 7h
Gimenez 2/3, rbi, sb (up to .260 on the year)
Low scoring game for Columbia but Vientos has an RBI
Alas, he has been MUCH better than Ramos this year.
Alas, he has been MUCH better than Ramos this year.
Yeah, it only took until age 30 for him to get there.
He’s had a hot week...let’s not get crazy.
This org just throws guys out there to sink or swim, and often in non-ideal circumstances (like TDA coming back quicker than expected from TJS). That's not to say they made the wrong decision with cutting TDA - he had numerous chances here and he was always hurt, always inconsistent. It just wasn't going to happen here bc of the rotten culture. That's the mistake they need to change. Not cutting a fringe talent like TDA.
IOW if the Mets do not plan to re-sign Syndrgaard then trade him.
To me the Mets rebuild could include dealing any of:
Syndergaard
Wheeler
Matz
Vargas
Familia
Gsellman
Lugo
Wilson
Frazier
Ramos
Lagares
Hecchavaria
Davis
Smith (I've read Smith's value is very high right now)
I would even trade Alonso - for a haul, his bat is special, but he plays one of the more easily replaced positions on the field. If you can get a massive haul for him I'd do it.
Basically I guess deGrom, Conforto, McNeil, and Diaz are the only players I wouldn't trade. And Diaz not because of his play, but because of the investment.
who knows, another good week of Cano maybe someone gets interested in him.
You have to hit rock bottom. People say how great the Astros are, but look at how many high picks they had. #1 overall 2 years in a row, top 5 a bunch of years.
Good List. They're only going to pay for one of Noah / Wheeler....so the other should be traded for value.
I would also hang onto Lugo and/or Gsell. They're proven major leaguers and could be used as starters. There's pitching help in the minors, but it's 3 years away.
I'm going to pretend I didn't see your willingness to trade Alonso. He's a core player, no team could offer the equivalent and trading him would cause a fan revolt.
The Mets are competing in a tough division, they really have a long way to go to get to the upper level of the NL East.
I'm skeptical how much any team will give up for Wheeler and I'd prefer to resign him. I very much doubt anyone would give up the type of prospect (Gore, Pache, etc) necessary to consider moving Syndergaard.
All the rest will likely bring back depth fodder prospects at best. If the Wilpons were willing to pay their salaries perhaps they'd bring back something a little better than expected like Cabrera last year.
Good List. They're only going to pay for one of Noah / Wheeler....so the other should be traded for value.
I would also hang onto Lugo and/or Gsell. They're proven major leaguers and could be used as starters. There's pitching help in the minors, but it's 3 years away.
I'm going to pretend I didn't see your willingness to trade Alonso. He's a core player, no team could offer the equivalent and trading him would cause a fan revolt.
The Mets are competing in a tough division, they really have a long way to go to get to the upper level of the NL East.
Let's put it this way I'd trade Alonso or Smith. Not both.
Given reports that Smith's value is trending up, then deal him, but no way the Mets should continue down this path of having players play out of position.
Smith has been far more athletic than what I read, but he's a 1B, not a LF. and him being in LF has cost the team games.
My only rationale for trading Alonso is positional overlap and probably him being available for a king's ransom.
He has 3 years of ARB control and since he doesn't amass saves, he will be pretty cost efficient in those years.
The closest recent comparable who got traded was Brad Hand at age 28 last year - who had 3 years of team control around 7m/year. He was traded for Francisco Mejia, who at the time was 1 of the highest profile catchers in the minors at AAA, though he hasn't broken out and had some questions about risk - but he was a very high upside prospect at a premium position.
He has 3 years of ARB control and since he doesn't amass saves, he will be pretty cost efficient in those years.
The closest recent comparable who got traded was Brad Hand at age 28 last year - who had 3 years of team control around 7m/year. He was traded for Francisco Mejia, who at the time was 1 of the highest profile catchers in the minors at AAA, though he hasn't broken out and had some questions about risk - but he was a very high upside prospect at a premium position.
Exactly, perfect reason to trade Lugo.
He is not going to be a difference maker on the Mets and likely would need a new contract before the Mets are competitive.
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he is 29 years old, currently the 23rd best reliever in all MLB and the most valuable reliever on the Mets (per FG). He has a 2.9 era and a career best 11.8k/9.
He has 3 years of ARB control and since he doesn't amass saves, he will be pretty cost efficient in those years.
The closest recent comparable who got traded was Brad Hand at age 28 last year - who had 3 years of team control around 7m/year. He was traded for Francisco Mejia, who at the time was 1 of the highest profile catchers in the minors at AAA, though he hasn't broken out and had some questions about risk - but he was a very high upside prospect at a premium position.
Exactly, perfect reason to trade Lugo.
He is not going to be a difference maker on the Mets and likely would need a new contract before the Mets are competitive.
Doesn't he have the same amount of years of control as Conforto? We have a lot more corner OFs than we do good relievers who can also start games.