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But again, horrendous comp. absolutely garbage reporting there.

Who here would trade JD Davis for Flores?

Real comp, JD is the better, younger, cheaper, more versatile player with more upside. I truly don�t get what comparing fractions of WAR from previous years, I just don�t get what point that proves. Literally, after today�s game JD May now have happgained that fraction of WAR to push him ahead of previous years Flores. Such a stupid tweet.

Sorry for the anger lol

In comment 14507600 pjcas18 said:

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wallace matthews ‏ @OysterBayBomber Yankees-Mets trade embargo is why it's unlikely Zack Wheeler heads to the Bronx

Expect a lot of �stupid� over the next few days. It�s all out clicks, retweets and follows. Getting worse and worse each year

that I do agree with though lost in the stupid tweet is JD Davis was not a great acquisition for the Mets - at any price.

I think cheaper was the most attractive quality you included when he's compared with Flores. The rest is probably, unfortunately, noise.

In comment 14507602 Shecky said:

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But again, horrendous comp. absolutely garbage reporting there. Who here would trade JD Davis for Flores? Real comp, JD is the better, younger, cheaper, more versatile player with more upside. I truly don�t get what comparing fractions of WAR from previous years, I just don�t get what point that proves. Literally, after today�s game JD May now have happgained that fraction of WAR to push him ahead of previous years Flores. Such a stupid tweet. Sorry for the anger lol

Shecky,
I love you but that's not a fair comparison. Davis or Flores... AND Adolph, Manea and Santana would be the decision. The Mets had Flores and let him go. They paid the price with those 3 to add Davis. Maybe none of them end up being anything but they also would have represented pieces you could improve the team.

for Diaz.

Mathew Brownstein
‏ @MBrownstein89
4m4 minutes ago

Jacob deGrom through his first 21 starts in 2018:

164 strikeouts, 32 walks

Jacob deGrom through his first 21 starts in 2019:

163 strikeouts, 32 walks

#Mets @Mets @MetsMerized #LGM

But the tweet wasn�t mentioning the trade. Same way it didn�t mention that JD cost 3mm less this year, or control years etc. it just compared Davis half a season of stats to Flores PREVIOUS season stats. And insinuates the Mets erred here.

Santana was a legit secondary prospect, but non are likely to ever actually make it fringe, replaceable assets. At least IMO.

Again, it comparing Davis this year to Flores past seasons like the tweet did. But simply asking, who would trade Davis today for Flores? It was one of the few and rare �non backwards� moves made so much to criticize, yet this was half ass backwards critiqued

Based upon the eye test? I am not sure I have thought that once this year stats be damned. JD Davis is more limited IMO but Flores was incredibly fragile (as we are seeing this year again).

only reason to do this is theoretically Wheeler would cost less than Syndergaard.


Ken Rosenthal
‏Verified account @Ken_Rosenthal

An option #Mets are exploring, per sources: Trading Syndergaard and signing Wheeler to an extension. NYM would benefit from return for Syndergaard while keeping Wheeler, a quality starting pitcher who otherwise would depart in free agency. @TheAthleticMLB
3:36 PM - 25 Jul 2019

Someone tweet this out to that guy for me

JD Davis 2019 WAR ~1
500k

Wilmer, Santana, Manea and Adolph 2019 WAR ~ 0
4mm

In comment 14507625 bhill410 said:

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Based upon the eye test? I am not sure I have thought that once this year stats be damned. JD Davis is more limited IMO but Flores was incredibly fragile (as we are seeing this year again).

🤚

= the above lol

Matt Ehalt
‏Verified account @MattEhalt

Mets person on Yanks: "We�d be crazy to put ourselves in the position of having them win with one of our guys."

Yanks person on Mets: "It�s their issue. It�s not our issue.��

but the JD Davis trade isn't one of them. Add a guy with high upside whose floor seems to be a good bench player for a secondary prospect. Young player with lots of team control left.

My main issue with Davis is that he's not playing every day. After the deadline, we need to see what we have in him. This is the EXACT same crap we did with Wilmer Flores. We never really gave him a consistent chance. Let's not make the same mistake with Davis.

for Lux, Urias, Verdugo & Dustin May.

Anyone else up for it?

In comment 14507633 pjcas18 said:

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Matt Ehalt ‏Verified account @MattEhalt Mets person on Yanks: "We�d be crazy to put ourselves in the position of having them win with one of our guys." Yanks person on Mets: "It�s their issue. It�s not our issue.��

that this crosses their mind and all in running their business is a sign of a real problem in the high levels of the org. They need to stop listening to WFAN and realize a) the hosts, outside of Roberts, dont have a god damned clue about baseball and b) people who have the time or inclination to call into WFAN represent about 2% of actual fans, and it's far from the most intelligent 2%.

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for Lux, Urias, Verdugo & Dustin May. Anyone else up for it?

would be a really great haul.

In comment 14507676 bigbluehoya said:

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In comment 14507671 Metnut said: Quote: for Lux, Urias, Verdugo & Dustin May. Anyone else up for it? would be a really great haul.

Yep, would be a monster haul. Would also give the Dodgers 3 guys who could really help them in the playoffs with multiple years of team control.

Buster Olney
@Buster_ESPN
Rival evaluators say they believe the Mets are fully intent on dealing Noah Syndergaard before the trade deadline. "It's beyond listening," said one. "They want to move him."

In comment 14507692 Eric on Li said:

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Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN Rival evaluators say they believe the Mets are fully intent on dealing Noah Syndergaard before the trade deadline. "It's beyond listening," said one. "They want to move him."

It would be a very �Mets� move. And based on BVWs track record with trades, we are screwed. There�s no hope for this team.

and it's even worse than we could have predicted. Literally right back to dumpster fire status. How many times do you think that moron Jeff has told BVW to make a trade like Tampa made last year with Archer?

In comment 14507669 Metnut said:

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but the JD Davis trade isn't one of them. Add a guy with high upside whose floor seems to be a good bench player for a secondary prospect. Young player with lots of team control left. My main issue with Davis is that he's not playing every day. After the deadline, we need to see what we have in him. This is the EXACT same crap we did with Wilmer Flores. We never really gave him a consistent chance. Let's not make the same mistake with Davis.

I don't think you kill BVW for the Davis trade and I don't think anyone is, but it's not a trade I think should have been made.

What actual role on this team does JD Davis serve?

He's 26 years old and primarily a 1B/3B and not good defensively.

He had 5 career OF games in the majors before this season and even in the minors just 25 career OF starts.

So what's his role? bench bat?

I'd roll the dice with secondary prospects panning out before trading them for a guy in this role - especially one who provides negative D.

Vey. Goodnight Irene.


Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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if Martino is floating Garc�a and Florian and the Mets don�t beat that (they very well might not) this is gonna be a bloodbath

You extend them...

Huge thanks to JP for the save there!!!!!!!

In comment 14507773 Shecky said:

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You extend them...

Agree.

However and I get killed for this opinion by some people, I don't feel like Syndergaard has reached his full potential.

I know people hate hearing it, but he's not a smart pitcher a lot of the time still. Hard to explain what i mean, but he doesn't set up batters like Clemens would and I think his stuff isn't THAT far from Clemens. Other than the split-finger, which Syndergaard's slider acts a lot like, they are not that different.

just Syndergaard pitches like he doesn't trust his stuff or only trusts his fast ball.

I wish he'd get someone to unlock what I think is still left unlocked.

Or he is what he is, which is a top 10% pitcher, and that's fine, but I think he has ace potential.

Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO

The Mets have released left-handed pitcher PJ Conlon.
5:40 PM - 25 Jul 2019

Andy Martino
@martinonyc
Yankees would likely trade Garcia and florial for Syndergaard but that wouldn�t be enough for Mets
5:09 PM � Jul 25, 2019�Twitter for iPhone

I'm fine with a hard pass on that trade. Florial is not a great prospect.

He's 21+ in A+ and not doing anything special IMO.

I would trade with the Yankees, I'd trade with anyone, but BVW or the Mets should not be shit on for refusing to deal Syndergaard with two+ years of control for that package.