Nothing really new here, and not sure I should even give this clicks but it's a slow news morning and figured the segment was worth a post.
I actually think Kellerman is better than most of the ESPN talking head trash-pile (not saying much), and I know he's a Giants fan. I think a lot of Giants fan share the sentiment even if they wouldn't put it so bluntly or state it so publicly. What say you BBI?
Kellerman: Eli Stinks - (
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You are honestly delusional.
Delusion is your forte.
Unless you are actually Eli Manning that is
He doesn't deserve that
I learned that throwing the football in a downpour is the same as throwing it in normal weather... people who never played the sport on BBI told me so...
You arguments basically boil down to making up the opposing side and calling people dupe troll "great fan"
You arguments basically boil down to making up the opposing side and calling people dupe troll "great fan"
Actually yes... people did say this during the thread. An objective fan like yourself would have seen that I thought?
I'm starting to think your reading comprehension skills are on par with your math skills.
But johnny5 is right about one thing, this is getting to the point where it's ganging up on one poster so I'll back off.
Lol, what a great week on BBI. Havent laughed this much at posters in years.
I said that too.
I am just showing based on stats which everyone uses that Elis 5 less TDs makes him stink while others are pro bowlers. Check Watson, mayfield, Brady, etc... 5 TDs was basically the difference.
Right, like when its too sunny our and the sunshine is blinding.
Hopefully we only have cloudy but non-rainy days at Metlife this year...
Where I'm still lost is why detractors should apparently discount the fact that this didn't in fact happen.
See youre right. The line between pro bowler and being a shit QB is 5 TDs, right?
Where I'm still lost is why detractors should apparently discount the fact that this didn't in fact happen.
How the hell is he supposed to throw 6 more touchdowns when it basically rains every time he plays?
Along those lines, I'd also be way less worried about our receiver depth if Sterling Shepard put up 82 catches for 1100 yards and 5 TDs.
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The numbers are what they are.
I said that too.
I am just showing based on stats which everyone uses that Elis 5 less TDs makes him stink while others are pro bowlers. Check Watson, mayfield, Brady, etc... 5 TDs was basically the difference.
That is absolutely correct - that's basically the difference. Though I'm sure most, if not all, of those QBs probably left some TDs on the field too, but it's really irrelevant. Eli did what he did. He threw 21 TDs last year.
What I think (or hope) we can all agree on is that it would be great for Eli to find those 5-6 additional TDs this season. That should translate into more wins, a more enjoyable season, and whatever happens between Eli and the Giants after this year, at least one more great season in blue to cement his legacy.
It's tiresome to keep arguing about last season and what could have been. And while I know you like to paint me as some sort of Eli hater, I'll be rooting just like Johnny5 to see Eli succeed this year.
And for your math skills to improve, but we can work on that in February.
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No one said that
You arguments basically boil down to making up the opposing side and calling people dupe troll "great fan"
Actually yes... people did say this during the thread. An objective fan like yourself would have seen that I thought?
No, nobody said anything of the like. You brought up playing in bad weather games during 2018 was some sort of critical factor that must be accounted for in assessing Eli because it was basically an anomaly.
We are all telling you we know QBs play in the rain and other bad elements from time to time, and that isn't skewing anybody's ability to assess them over a season, several seasons or a career...
But I guess you know more than him too...
Ummm many posts are regarding his play from last year. And some have said if you look at his actual play, he didnt really stink like the media and posters are portraying
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so what's your problem?
Ummm many posts are regarding his play from last year. And some have said if you look at his actual play, he didnt really stink like the media and posters are portraying
I think almost everybody on this thread said he didn't stink like Kellerman said.
Isn't that good enough for you...
Im trying to catch up to you!
Its actually sad how much you follow me though.
Better that than the skid marks left on your underwear when you decide to post.
And this seems to be fairly prevalent where ever you go on this site.
Last year for instance 2/3 of the league gave up within 7 points per game.
The difference between good and bad in the NFL is so much closer in the NFL.
5-6 TDs makes or breaks a season. It's a huge difference for a QB.
Last year for instance 2/3 of the league gave up within 7 points per game.
The difference between good and bad in the NFL is so much closer in the NFL.
5-6 TDs makes or breaks a season. It's a huge difference for a QB.
Well, this should be encouraging, then....
1st 8 games last year under a new coaching staff with completely new offense and completely turned over offensive line:
18.75 points per game.
Offensive line began to gel with removal of Flowers and addition of Jamon Brown, and in the last 8 games:
27.38 points per game.
One would expect that with familiarity in the second year of a new offense and a continually improving offensive line, that it's not unreasonable to expect that trend to continue.
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Football is an incredibly statistically consistent, statistically close game. In the last 20 years, including an offensive boom, teams scored on average between 20.8 and 23.3 points a game.
Last year for instance 2/3 of the league gave up within 7 points per game.
The difference between good and bad in the NFL is so much closer in the NFL.
5-6 TDs makes or breaks a season. It's a huge difference for a QB.
Well, this should be encouraging, then....
1st 8 games last year under a new coaching staff with completely new offense and completely turned over offensive line:
18.75 points per game.
Offensive line began to gel with removal of Flowers and addition of Jamon Brown, and in the last 8 games:
27.38 points per game.
One would expect that with familiarity in the second year of a new offense and a continually improving offensive line, that it's not unreasonable to expect that trend to continue.
Knock it off Britt. This is absolutely not the place for coherence and logic.
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Football is an incredibly statistically consistent, statistically close game. In the last 20 years, including an offensive boom, teams scored on average between 20.8 and 23.3 points a game.
Last year for instance 2/3 of the league gave up within 7 points per game.
The difference between good and bad in the NFL is so much closer in the NFL.
5-6 TDs makes or breaks a season. It's a huge difference for a QB.
Well, this should be encouraging, then....
1st 8 games last year under a new coaching staff with completely new offense and completely turned over offensive line:
18.75 points per game.
Offensive line began to gel with removal of Flowers and addition of Jamon Brown, and in the last 8 games:
27.38 points per game.
One would expect that with familiarity in the second year of a new offense and a continually improving offensive line, that it's not unreasonable to expect that trend to continue.
Absolutely. The Giants improved dramatically after the bye week.
One stat I've posted several times, which is amazing to me; the Giants averaged 50 more yards a game rushing in the second half of the season.
I haven't dug into the passing stats, but I suspect there was a corresponding improvement there too.
It was a tale of two teams for the Giants last year. A horrible team, and an average team.
This isn't a popular take, but I actually don't think Zeitler is the exponential improvement over Brown some think he'll be. I wanted to knock Brown, but in retrospect his play corresponded with major improvements in the team. I don't attribute all of it to him, but some must.
I think with potentially 3 new starters, and Solder and Remmers coming off surgeries, there is a risk the offensive line takes a step back from the really representative performance from games 9-16 last year. I expect it to be a process.
But to the original point of 5-6 TDs -- that's a big delta in performance. You can easily find 5-6 almost interceptions, 5-6 great catches where targets bailed Manning out of bad throws etc.
The line between good and bad, wins and losses is to thin. You are truly who your record says you are when it comes down to it.
To me the difference from being a good QB and one who stinks isnt 5 more TDs. That was the point that got lost in translation.
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Football is an incredibly statistically consistent, statistically close game. In the last 20 years, including an offensive boom, teams scored on average between 20.8 and 23.3 points a game.
Last year for instance 2/3 of the league gave up within 7 points per game.
The difference between good and bad in the NFL is so much closer in the NFL.
5-6 TDs makes or breaks a season. It's a huge difference for a QB.
Well, this should be encouraging, then....
1st 8 games last year under a new coaching staff with completely new offense and completely turned over offensive line:
18.75 points per game.
Offensive line began to gel with removal of Flowers and addition of Jamon Brown, and in the last 8 games:
27.38 points per game.
One would expect that with familiarity in the second year of a new offense and a continually improving offensive line, that it's not unreasonable to expect that trend to continue.
Absolutely. The Giants improved dramatically after the bye week.
One stat I've posted several times, which is amazing to me; the Giants averaged 50 more yards a game rushing in the second half of the season.
I haven't dug into the passing stats, but I suspect there was a corresponding improvement there too.
It was a tale of two teams for the Giants last year. A horrible team, and an average team.
This isn't a popular take, but I actually don't think Zeitler is the exponential improvement over Brown some think he'll be. I wanted to knock Brown, but in retrospect his play corresponded with major improvements in the team. I don't attribute all of it to him, but some must.
I think with potentially 3 new starters, and Solder and Remmers coming off surgeries, there is a risk the offensive line takes a step back from the really representative performance from games 9-16 last year. I expect it to be a process.
But to the original point of 5-6 TDs -- that's a big delta in performance. You can easily find 5-6 almost interceptions, 5-6 great catches where targets bailed Manning out of bad throws etc.
The line between good and bad, wins and losses is to thin. You are truly who your record says you are when it comes down to it.
It was a dramatic improvement for sure:
1st 8 games:
Manning Sacked 31 times
623 rushing yards averaging 4.2 per carry
77.9 rushing yards per game avg.
last 8 games:
Manning Sacked 16 times
1027 rushing yards averaging 5.0 per carry
128.4 rushing yards per game avg.
To your 5-6 TD/Int point....
Manning over the last 8 games:
66% comp - 1922 yards - 13 TD - 5 Int - 99.86 QB Rating
5 more TD's than the first 8 games, 3 less INT's. 15 less sacks.
Wins and losses 1st 8 games: 1-7. Last 8 games 4-4.