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Kellerman: Thanks for Everything, but Eli Stinks Now

Giantophile : 7/23/2019 12:45 pm
Nothing really new here, and not sure I should even give this clicks but it's a slow news morning and figured the segment was worth a post.

I actually think Kellerman is better than most of the ESPN talking head trash-pile (not saying much), and I know he's a Giants fan. I think a lot of Giants fan share the sentiment even if they wouldn't put it so bluntly or state it so publicly. What say you BBI?
Kellerman: Eli Stinks - ( New Window )
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Dude  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 6:06 pm : link
I didn't even mention Eli in my post

You are honestly delusional.
Yeah there was no comparison  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 6:09 pm : link
To Eli to the QBs you mentioned. Do you honestly think people werent going to notice? The talk of Eli throwing in the rain was mentioned 50 times already. But yeah, no referring there.

Delusion is your forte.
For the 100th time  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 6:09 pm : link
Saying you have a shitty argument is NOT the same as shitting in Eli

Unless you are actually Eli Manning that is
If anything you are shitting on Eli  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 6:12 pm : link
By comparing him to Chase Fucking Daniels

He doesn't deserve that
Lol  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 6:16 pm : link
Ok...

I learned that throwing the football in a downpour is the same as throwing it in normal weather... people who never played the sport on BBI told me so...
Lol dude  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 6:19 pm : link
No one said that

You arguments basically boil down to making up the opposing side and calling people dupe troll "great fan"
RE: Lol dude  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 6:29 pm : link
In comment 14506502 ron mexico said:
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No one said that

You arguments basically boil down to making up the opposing side and calling people dupe troll "great fan"


Actually yes... people did say this during the thread. An objective fan like yourself would have seen that I thought?
We have a quote feature here  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 6:35 pm : link
Use it.

I'm starting to think your reading comprehension skills are on par with your math skills.

But johnny5 is right about one thing, this is getting to the point where it's ganging up on one poster so I'll back off.
Lol  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 6:43 pm : link
👍
I also learned  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 6:46 pm : link
That throwing one more TD every three games is not only absurd, but statistically almost impossible.

Lol, what a great week on BBI. Havent laughed this much at posters in years.
I also learned that the line  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 6:47 pm : link
Between being a pro bowl, franchise QB and one that stinks is 5 TDS.... which you know how hard it is to throw during the course of the year....
Dep it is possible, but you can throw 5 less tds just as easily.  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/24/2019 6:49 pm : link
The numbers are what they are.
Yes.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/24/2019 6:51 pm : link
Why don't Giants fans talk more about the QBs of the Lions and Bengals rather than the QB of their own team. That's a tough one!
RE: Dep it is possible, but you can throw 5 less tds just as easily.  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14506524 Zeke's Alibi said:
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The numbers are what they are.


I said that too.

I am just showing based on stats which everyone uses that Elis 5 less TDs makes him stink while others are pro bowlers. Check Watson, mayfield, Brady, etc... 5 TDs was basically the difference.
RE: Dep it is possible, but you can throw 5 less tds just as easily.  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14506524 Zeke's Alibi said:
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The numbers are what they are.


Right, like when its too sunny our and the sunshine is blinding.

Hopefully we only have cloudy but non-rainy days at Metlife this year...
Well Mayfield only started 13 games and Brady had 8  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/24/2019 7:04 pm : link
more TDs than him which was 40% of Eli's TD production last year. It is significant. 5 doesn't sound like a big number, but when it represents a quarter of your TD production it is.
I think I cracked the code  
santacruzom : 7/24/2019 7:10 pm : link
We lost 8 games by less than a TD last year. Therefore, if Eli had thrown 6 more TDs in 2018, depending on the game in which they occurred, that very well could have translated into 5-6 more wins, which would have put us at 11-5. Had that happened, his detractors would have had less negative to say and likely would have lumped him in with Pro Bowlers.

Where I'm still lost is why detractors should apparently discount the fact that this didn't in fact happen.
Lol  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 7:17 pm : link
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
RE: Well Mayfield only started 13 games and Brady had 8  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14506537 Zeke's Alibi said:
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more TDs than him which was 40% of Eli's TD production last year. It is significant. 5 doesn't sound like a big number, but when it represents a quarter of your TD production it is.


See youre right. The line between pro bowler and being a shit QB is 5 TDs, right?
The fact  
Nine-Tails : 7/24/2019 7:22 pm : link
That you've spent almost two days making an argument about 5 tds speaks volume. But whatever floats ur boat
RE: I think I cracked the code  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2019 7:23 pm : link
In comment 14506543 santacruzom said:
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We lost 8 games by less than a TD last year. Therefore, if Eli had thrown 6 more TDs in 2018, depending on the game in which they occurred, that very well could have translated into 5-6 more wins, which would have put us at 11-5. Had that happened, his detractors would have had less negative to say and likely would have lumped him in with Pro Bowlers.

Where I'm still lost is why detractors should apparently discount the fact that this didn't in fact happen.


How the hell is he supposed to throw 6 more touchdowns when it basically rains every time he plays?
Sure, I'll go out on a limb  
santacruzom : 7/24/2019 7:26 pm : link
and say that the Kellermans of the world would probably not say he "stunk" if he threw 25% more TDs this season than he actually did but, well, where does that leave us?

Along those lines, I'd also be way less worried about our receiver depth if Sterling Shepard put up 82 catches for 1100 yards and 5 TDs.
RE: RE: Dep it is possible, but you can throw 5 less tds just as easily.  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/24/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14506529 dep026 said:
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In comment 14506524 Zeke's Alibi said:


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The numbers are what they are.



I said that too.

I am just showing based on stats which everyone uses that Elis 5 less TDs makes him stink while others are pro bowlers. Check Watson, mayfield, Brady, etc... 5 TDs was basically the difference.

That is absolutely correct - that's basically the difference. Though I'm sure most, if not all, of those QBs probably left some TDs on the field too, but it's really irrelevant. Eli did what he did. He threw 21 TDs last year.

What I think (or hope) we can all agree on is that it would be great for Eli to find those 5-6 additional TDs this season. That should translate into more wins, a more enjoyable season, and whatever happens between Eli and the Giants after this year, at least one more great season in blue to cement his legacy.

It's tiresome to keep arguing about last season and what could have been. And while I know you like to paint me as some sort of Eli hater, I'll be rooting just like Johnny5 to see Eli succeed this year.

And for your math skills to improve, but we can work on that in February.
Lets make a deal  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 7:29 pm : link
Ill work on my math skills if you put the calculator away during the games. Deal?
RE: RE: Lol dude  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2019 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14506507 dep026 said:
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In comment 14506502 ron mexico said:


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No one said that

You arguments basically boil down to making up the opposing side and calling people dupe troll "great fan"



Actually yes... people did say this during the thread. An objective fan like yourself would have seen that I thought?


No, nobody said anything of the like. You brought up playing in bad weather games during 2018 was some sort of critical factor that must be accounted for in assessing Eli because it was basically an anomaly.

We are all telling you we know QBs play in the rain and other bad elements from time to time, and that isn't skewing anybody's ability to assess them over a season, several seasons or a career...

And again  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 7:49 pm : link
If you dont think playing in bad weather affects your performance, then I dont know what to tell you. And at least 25% of his games (hey look at that percentage I threw out!) had weather that directly affected his performance. If you cant see that... oh why bother - youre never wrong.
And the weather was brought up  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 7:51 pm : link
To assess ONE season. Not a career, decade past, or the future. Just ONE season. I thought that was pretty obvious. Again Im not the only poster who brought this up. In fact one of the best posters on this site did

But I guess you know more than him too...
But nobody is using only 2018 to assess Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2019 7:59 pm : link
so what's your problem?

RE: But nobody is using only 2018 to assess Eli  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14506581 Jimmy Googs said:
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so what's your problem?


Ummm many posts are regarding his play from last year. And some have said if you look at his actual play, he didnt really stink like the media and posters are portraying
Don't you ever get tired of posting?  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2019 8:03 pm : link
I mean you are like 25% (hey look at that percentage I threw out!) of all posts on this site...
RE: RE: But nobody is using only 2018 to assess Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2019 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14506584 dep026 said:
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In comment 14506581 Jimmy Googs said:


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so what's your problem?




Ummm many posts are regarding his play from last year. And some have said if you look at his actual play, he didnt really stink like the media and posters are portraying


I think almost everybody on this thread said he didn't stink like Kellerman said.

Isn't that good enough for you...
RE: Don't you ever get tired of posting?  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14506586 Jimmy Googs said:
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I mean you are like 25% (hey look at that percentage I threw out!) of all posts on this site...


Im trying to catch up to you!

Its actually sad how much you follow me though.
Follow you?  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2019 9:30 pm : link
You post so much on these threads its like having gum on the bottom of your shoe that you cant get off...
RE: Follow you?  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14506701 Jimmy Googs said:
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You post so much on these threads its like having gum on the bottom of your shoe that you cant get off...


Better that than the skid marks left on your underwear when you decide to post.
Yeah that makes sense  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2019 9:39 pm : link
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What school system lets you teach?  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2019 9:41 pm : link
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Its lets  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 9:45 pm : link
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Teacher unions are strong but at some point  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2019 9:53 pm : link
they have to give in for the greater good...
One always slips past the cracks  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 9:56 pm : link
Like when you were conceived...
On this thread alone you have gone at it with no less  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2019 10:14 pm : link
than 6 other posters. And in doing so berated them with comments that they are clueless, shitty posters, worst fucking poster for 15 years, Einstein, clowns, something about bat signals and bands to name a few.

And this seems to be fairly prevalent where ever you go on this site.
I learned from the best  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 10:22 pm : link
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...  
christian : 7/24/2019 11:04 pm : link
Football is an incredibly statistically consistent, statistically close game. In the last 20 years, including an offensive boom, teams scored on average between 20.8 and 23.3 points a game.

Last year for instance 2/3 of the league gave up within 7 points per game.

The difference between good and bad in the NFL is so much closer in the NFL.

5-6 TDs makes or breaks a season. It's a huge difference for a QB.
RE: ...  
Britt in VA : 7/25/2019 7:23 am : link
In comment 14506853 christian said:
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Football is an incredibly statistically consistent, statistically close game. In the last 20 years, including an offensive boom, teams scored on average between 20.8 and 23.3 points a game.

Last year for instance 2/3 of the league gave up within 7 points per game.

The difference between good and bad in the NFL is so much closer in the NFL.

5-6 TDs makes or breaks a season. It's a huge difference for a QB.


Well, this should be encouraging, then....

1st 8 games last year under a new coaching staff with completely new offense and completely turned over offensive line:

18.75 points per game.

Offensive line began to gel with removal of Flowers and addition of Jamon Brown, and in the last 8 games:

27.38 points per game.

One would expect that with familiarity in the second year of a new offense and a continually improving offensive line, that it's not unreasonable to expect that trend to continue.
RE: RE: ...  
Johnny5 : 7/25/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14506946 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14506853 christian said:


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Football is an incredibly statistically consistent, statistically close game. In the last 20 years, including an offensive boom, teams scored on average between 20.8 and 23.3 points a game.

Last year for instance 2/3 of the league gave up within 7 points per game.

The difference between good and bad in the NFL is so much closer in the NFL.

5-6 TDs makes or breaks a season. It's a huge difference for a QB.



Well, this should be encouraging, then....

1st 8 games last year under a new coaching staff with completely new offense and completely turned over offensive line:

18.75 points per game.

Offensive line began to gel with removal of Flowers and addition of Jamon Brown, and in the last 8 games:

27.38 points per game.

One would expect that with familiarity in the second year of a new offense and a continually improving offensive line, that it's not unreasonable to expect that trend to continue.

Knock it off Britt. This is absolutely not the place for coherence and logic.
RE: RE: ...  
christian : 7/25/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14506946 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14506853 christian said:


Quote:


Football is an incredibly statistically consistent, statistically close game. In the last 20 years, including an offensive boom, teams scored on average between 20.8 and 23.3 points a game.

Last year for instance 2/3 of the league gave up within 7 points per game.

The difference between good and bad in the NFL is so much closer in the NFL.

5-6 TDs makes or breaks a season. It's a huge difference for a QB.



Well, this should be encouraging, then....

1st 8 games last year under a new coaching staff with completely new offense and completely turned over offensive line:

18.75 points per game.

Offensive line began to gel with removal of Flowers and addition of Jamon Brown, and in the last 8 games:

27.38 points per game.

One would expect that with familiarity in the second year of a new offense and a continually improving offensive line, that it's not unreasonable to expect that trend to continue.


Absolutely. The Giants improved dramatically after the bye week.

One stat I've posted several times, which is amazing to me; the Giants averaged 50 more yards a game rushing in the second half of the season.

I haven't dug into the passing stats, but I suspect there was a corresponding improvement there too.

It was a tale of two teams for the Giants last year. A horrible team, and an average team.

This isn't a popular take, but I actually don't think Zeitler is the exponential improvement over Brown some think he'll be. I wanted to knock Brown, but in retrospect his play corresponded with major improvements in the team. I don't attribute all of it to him, but some must.

I think with potentially 3 new starters, and Solder and Remmers coming off surgeries, there is a risk the offensive line takes a step back from the really representative performance from games 9-16 last year. I expect it to be a process.

But to the original point of 5-6 TDs -- that's a big delta in performance. You can easily find 5-6 almost interceptions, 5-6 great catches where targets bailed Manning out of bad throws etc.

The line between good and bad, wins and losses is to thin. You are truly who your record says you are when it comes down to it.
Christian  
dep026 : 7/25/2019 10:57 am : link
The point I was trying to make was what the standard stat line for someone who is good and who stinks (which was the original media take).

To me the difference from being a good QB and one who stinks isnt 5 more TDs. That was the point that got lost in translation.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Britt in VA : 7/25/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14507183 christian said:
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In comment 14506946 Britt in VA said:


Quote:


In comment 14506853 christian said:


Quote:


Football is an incredibly statistically consistent, statistically close game. In the last 20 years, including an offensive boom, teams scored on average between 20.8 and 23.3 points a game.

Last year for instance 2/3 of the league gave up within 7 points per game.

The difference between good and bad in the NFL is so much closer in the NFL.

5-6 TDs makes or breaks a season. It's a huge difference for a QB.



Well, this should be encouraging, then....

1st 8 games last year under a new coaching staff with completely new offense and completely turned over offensive line:

18.75 points per game.

Offensive line began to gel with removal of Flowers and addition of Jamon Brown, and in the last 8 games:

27.38 points per game.

One would expect that with familiarity in the second year of a new offense and a continually improving offensive line, that it's not unreasonable to expect that trend to continue.



Absolutely. The Giants improved dramatically after the bye week.

One stat I've posted several times, which is amazing to me; the Giants averaged 50 more yards a game rushing in the second half of the season.

I haven't dug into the passing stats, but I suspect there was a corresponding improvement there too.

It was a tale of two teams for the Giants last year. A horrible team, and an average team.

This isn't a popular take, but I actually don't think Zeitler is the exponential improvement over Brown some think he'll be. I wanted to knock Brown, but in retrospect his play corresponded with major improvements in the team. I don't attribute all of it to him, but some must.

I think with potentially 3 new starters, and Solder and Remmers coming off surgeries, there is a risk the offensive line takes a step back from the really representative performance from games 9-16 last year. I expect it to be a process.

But to the original point of 5-6 TDs -- that's a big delta in performance. You can easily find 5-6 almost interceptions, 5-6 great catches where targets bailed Manning out of bad throws etc.

The line between good and bad, wins and losses is to thin. You are truly who your record says you are when it comes down to it.


It was a dramatic improvement for sure:

1st 8 games:

Manning Sacked 31 times
623 rushing yards averaging 4.2 per carry
77.9 rushing yards per game avg.

last 8 games:

Manning Sacked 16 times
1027 rushing yards averaging 5.0 per carry
128.4 rushing yards per game avg.

To your 5-6 TD/Int point....

Manning over the last 8 games:

66% comp - 1922 yards - 13 TD - 5 Int - 99.86 QB Rating

5 more TD's than the first 8 games, 3 less INT's. 15 less sacks.

Wins and losses 1st 8 games: 1-7. Last 8 games 4-4.
Actually 6 more TD's if you count the rushing one he had.  
Britt in VA : 7/25/2019 11:26 am : link
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Max Scherzer says  
CardinalX : 7/25/2019 3:10 pm : link
"you give Max a bad name"
all sports commentators say controversial  
Jersey55 : 7/25/2019 5:14 pm : link
things to draw attention to what they say even though they know its stupid but they want it to be an attention getter, its just what they do and unfortunately its what the nature of the sports business has become...
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