Nothing really new here, and not sure I should even give this clicks but it's a slow news morning and figured the segment was worth a post.
I actually think Kellerman is better than most of the ESPN talking head trash-pile (not saying much), and I know he's a Giants fan. I think a lot of Giants fan share the sentiment even if they wouldn't put it so bluntly or state it so publicly. What say you BBI?
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They aren’t fucking excuses. They are facts.
No, these are irrelevant comparisons and they are isolated incidents. Stop worrying about defending your position and look at it objectively.
The second you mention “weather” is akin to saying what excuse can i hide behind to make a point. This isn’t a head to head comparison of who gets into the HOF between Eli and another guy who played 50% of his games in a dome. This is about should we expect a better outcome in 2019...
Lord...
It has no barring in this season but it does if you’re looking back on last year.
Please continue this debate as I will stay up late to respond to your nonsense, excuse me... posts.
That doesn’t mean he stinks, but is also doesn’t mean he would have been brilliant with better talent, we don t know.
It s the NFL, you are what your record says you are both as a team and an individual, all the rest is conjecture.
That said, if Eli plays winning football this season, leads the offense to an upper tier level, then the argument about him being handicapped by inferior talent surrounding him is validated to some extent.
As a fan, it is possible to believe Eli is done, and hope he proves you wrong.
That doesn’t mean he stinks, but is also doesn’t mean he would have been brilliant with better talent, we don t know.
It s the NFL, you are what your record says you are both as a team and an individual, all the rest is conjecture.
That said, if Eli plays winning football this season, leads the offense to an upper tier level, then the argument about him being handicapped by inferior talent surrounding him is validated to some extent.
As a fan, it is possible to believe Eli is done, and hope he proves you wrong.
Good post. I am aligned to these themes versus concerned about weather factors...
But that 2011 team rapidly decomposed around Eli. I always felt Eli, Cruz, and Hakeem carried that team until the defense and running game started to show some life late in the regular-season (Jets game). Folks forget that we were at or near dead last in rushing and defense in 2011.
The line was already fraying, especially at tackle, in 2011. And Reese and Ross were NEVER able to fix it. Year after year.
I wonder if Reese ever thinks to himself how in the hell he never fired Ross. I think Reese just got too comfortable, thinking that because he won 2 sbs and has been with the organization for so long that Mara would never fire him and Ross was his friend. Weird how he would push Coughlin to fire some of his trusted assistants.
clicks and views...
These sports networks are no better than the news channels
I get the sense from reading some comments above - the poor Eli syndrome - that Eli is getting mixed up with Archie.
You feel Eli's best days are behind him? Say so. But have some class and acknowledge the man's contributions in a sincere manner. He deserves it.
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I ask on these types of things is - "Why??"
What's the motivation here? What other athlete, current or past has segments saying they stink? It speaks more about the level of journalism than anything else.
We are out of the "shock jock" Era and in the Era of loudmouthed armchair guys. No accountability either. Skip Bayless can be wrong 99 times out of 100 and often is, yet as long as he gets clicks/views/ratings - it doesn't matter.
Why? Giant fans are suckers and soak this shit up. I saw this on ESPN, but I was not going to link it. Clicking on this nonsense does nothing but encourage them. Slow day on the sports scene, just make a negative comment about Eli, you will get plenty of clicks and get your editor off your back. FWIW it works here too, slow day on BBI, just start a negative thread about Eli and BOOM, instant views and countless replies. You and I are part of the problem, neither one of us can resist the urge to comment on any thread that has ELi in it. You can apply that same reasoning to all of our regulars... It is what it is.
If you remember Matt SGS’s post... Eli played in some of the worst weather games last year as well.
Nobody takes into these factors which is pretty poor IMao.
That's a great point. And if he won the Super Bowl, I guarantee no one would still say he stinks.
But he didn't.
He's the QB of a team that has won 8 games in 2 years. A lot of guys stunk along the way to that record, and most of them are gone now. We'll see if those that remain were part of the reason for that failure or simply dragged down by the mediocrity surrounding them, but it's impossible to state without question that any of the players who contributed to that record could not possibly have been responsible for it in any way.
It sucks that the weather was only bad for Eli though, and not the QB on the opposing team. Maybe that turns around this season!
One has been doing it for 15 years. Pathetic.
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Last year, I wonder how many would still say he stink.
If you remember Matt SGS’s post... Eli played in some of the worst weather games last year as well.
Nobody takes into these factors which is pretty poor IMao.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you anit-stats
I am. Just showing what a thin line between what one person thinks is terrible to a pro bowl type season.
5-6 TDs isn't really a thin line. If Eli threw 5-6 fewer TDs, he'd have landed between Fitzpatrick and Bortles. Are they just a thin line away from Eli? Because that's basically what you're saying.
One has been doing it for 15 years. Pathetic.
Yeah, I'm the one who's clueless. Maybe there's a "thin line" between you and me when it comes to intelligence.
JFC, you are the fucking worst fan I’ve ever seen. 15 years and counting.
Just absolutely amazing you claim you know more football than anyone. You’re clueless.
He didn't stink, but if the metrics are part of the equation, he wasn't very good.
He had some good games, some average games, and some bad ones.
To be a winner in the NFL, your quarterback needs to have a majority of good performances and Manning just didn't.
And just so we're all on the same page, the point is for the Giants to win games to entertain the fans, not to "not let down" Eli Manning, right?
You're the dipshit who claimed 5-6 TDs was some sort of thin line. Look up the fucking stats. If you subtract 5-6 TDs from what Eli did last year, that's where he'd have finished.
I'm not the one who created the fictional hypothetical. I just pointed out how fucking stupid your example was.
JFC, you are the fucking worst fan I’ve ever seen. 15 years and counting.
So now you're just adding the 5 TDs on as though they actually happened? Can we just add 5 fictional wins on instead, or would you prefer to only boost the results for Eli?
Is it really that challenging for you to understand the concept of subtracting the same amount that you're suggesting adding to show that it's not the insignificant variance that you're positing?
Nevermind, it almost certainly IS that challenging for you, as evidenced by this post.
JFC, you are the fucking worst fan I’ve ever seen. 15 years and counting.
I think what he's saying is 5-6 fewer TDs would have put Eli at 15 (or 16) TDs last year, which is Bortles territory. He's basically dismissing your method of just adding hypothetical production to somehow discount the significance of stats.
I get the sense from reading some comments above - the poor Eli syndrome - that Eli is getting mixed up with Archie.
Geezus. It's not poor fucking Eli. What Eric said isn't just about Eli and a stupid legacy. Enough with that crap already.
The fact of the matter is we have a franchise QB. We won 2 SBs with him. If you can't see that after 2011 Reese/Ross wasted a few more capable runs? There's really nothing else to discuss. It is poor fans. But we had the QB in place. The two dumbasses mainly responsible for our awful drafting over more than a decade screwed us by wasting the best years of our franchise QB. That's a fact.
And I'll say it again. I hope Eli shoves a GIANT shit covered football down everyone's throat this year.
I'll ask again - what other player has been described as "stinks" by talking heads?
The Giants had an 8 year streak without a losing season. That's exceptional.
The 2012 Giants had a great chance to set up a playoff appearance after starting 6-2, but then fizzled. Including a shut out loss to the Falcons (where Manning completely blew it) late in the year.
The Giants had a 3 year stretch from 2013-2015 where they were a bad team. That's true. But by 2016 the Giants had a fantastic defense, and a playoff appearance.
All told as a full-time starter the Giants have had 9 above .500 seasons and 5 below.
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Is Blake bortles?
JFC, you are the fucking worst fan I’ve ever seen. 15 years and counting.
I think what he's saying is 5-6 fewer TDs would have put Eli at 15 (or 16) TDs last year, which is Bortles territory. He's basically dismissing your method of just adding hypothetical production to somehow discount the significance of stats.
So adding 5 TDs makes him a pro bowl QB, subtracting 5 makes him Bortles.
Thank you for proving my thin line argument. One more TD every three games would have made him a very good QB. One less every three games makes him a scrub. Pretty much the definition of thin line.
He can’t figure that out cause he’s pretty clueless.
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Is Blake bortles?
JFC, you are the fucking worst fan I’ve ever seen. 15 years and counting.
I think what he's saying is 5-6 fewer TDs would have put Eli at 15 (or 16) TDs last year, which is Bortles territory. He's basically dismissing your method of just adding hypothetical production to somehow discount the significance of stats.
So adding 5 TDs makes him a pro bowl QB, subtracting 5 makes him Bortles.
Thank you for proving my thin line argument. One more TD every three games would have made him a very good QB. One less every three games makes him a scrub. Pretty much the definition of thin line.
He can’t figure that out cause he’s pretty clueless.
That's the exact opposite of a thin line. If the deviation in one direction is a Pro Bowl QB and the other direction is a bench-worthy bum, that's a pretty fucking wide line.
5-6 TDs is not some insignificant variance. I'd expect even someone as innumerate as you to understand that, but I suppose not.
But I'm the clueless one? It's been exhausting to point out your stupidity for a decade and a half.
Carry on. Looking forward to your next shitty post when I say something positive about Eli.
Bat signal came out in full force today!! 15 years and counting.
15 years on shitting people who say positive things about Eli. Great “fan”.
15 years on shitting people who say positive things about Eli. Great “fan”.
Don't confuse shitting on your idiocy with shitting on positivity about Eli.
The frequency is not as relevant as the % variance. +25-30% is a huge fucking delta - this isn't really that complicated.
If one of those happened once every 3 games... there’s your 5. You’re right - it isn’t fucking complicated. Unless you use a fucking a calculator to make an opinion rather than using your own fucking eyes to watch a game.
You think it’s that hard? Let me show you a play by play box score from 2011.
Ballard tackles at the 1
Nicks barely pushed out after 60 yard gain inside 5
Manningham TD overturned to down at the 1
And that’s doesn’t include two other PIs that could have been TDs.
If you don’t think throwing 1 more TD every three games is realistic.... than your even dumber than I fucking thought.
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We love your “objectivity” when it comes to Eli. Turn off the bat signal buddy, and go to bed.
Geezus. It's not poor fucking Eli. What Eric said isn't just about Eli and a stupid legacy. Enough with that crap already.
The fact of the matter is we have a franchise QB. We won 2 SBs with him. If you can't see that after 2011 Reese/Ross wasted a few more capable runs? There's really nothing else to discuss. It is poor fans. But we had the QB in place. The two dumbasses mainly responsible for our awful drafting over more than a decade screwed us by wasting the best years of our franchise QB. That's a fact.
Wasted more capable runs? Hmmmmm.
Eli wanted to come here. Archie, Condon, Peyton and Eli manipulated Eli's way into this job. And he's had tremendous success. Nine winning seasons out of fourteen. Six playoff appearances.
Imagine being the great Dan Fouts and Warren Moon and never sniffing a SB. Or the brilliant Aaron Rodgers and only getting to one SB. Or the great Dan Marino. A man ahead of his time who played the majority of his career without a running game or reliable defense. And he only got to one SB, and lost to the great Joe Montana.
Sorry, but this pity party for Eli is embarrassing. He's had more than enough opportunities and he's made enough money to last twenty lifetimes.
If one of those happened once every 3 games... there’s your 5. You’re right - it isn’t fucking complicated. Unless you use a fucking a calculator to make an opinion rather than using your own fucking eyes to watch a game.
You think it’s that hard? Let me show you a play by play box score from 2011.
Ballard tackles at the 1
Nicks barely pushed out after 60 yard gain inside 5
Manningham TD overturned to down at the 1
And that’s doesn’t include two other PIs that could have been TDs.
If you don’t think throwing 1 more TD every three games is realistic.... than your even dumber than I fucking thought.
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The counter to this is what about the great plays that have been made. Lattimer's one-handed catch, Saquon's ridciulous plays. It goes both ways
But IMO, you can't objectively look at his game last year and come to the conclusion that he was a bad QB.
I'll stand by what I've said for a couple of years now, the Giants robbed Eli of the second-half of his career. And now with the team getting better, his career is coming to an end. They really botched this.
I’ll look at the Falcons game which I was unfortunately at as a microcosm of Eli’s 2018 season. Did little to nothing most of the game and accumulated 100 yards and a meaningless junk time td when the Falcons had the game in the bag. You’re really reaching if you’re trying to say Eli was good in 2018
"Let's bump my salary up 25%, shall we?"
"WHAT?!? That's ridiculous. You didn't even come into the office at all last week and I'm pretty sure you played video games all day yesterday, and you want a 30k raise?"
"Well really, it's just a 7500 more every 4 months."
We love your “objectivity” when it comes to Eli. Turn off the bat signal buddy, and go to bed.
Keep putting "quotes" around random words and exposing yourself as a fool whose understanding of math would make a toddler cringe. I can't even imagine you trying to calculate the tip at a restaurant and here I am wasting time trying to explain to you how +/- 25-30% is well beyond the reaches of some insignificant statistical aberration while you act like it's some sort of rounding error.
Enjoy your ignorance.
We love your “objectivity” when it comes to Eli. Turn off the bat signal buddy, and go to bed.
When did Eli take a pay cut?
Do you mean Restructure?
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And again, I'm not saying Eli "had a great year." Hell, I am not even saying he had a "good" year. He's the head of the offense and the offense didn't get the job done.
But IMO, you can't objectively look at his game last year and come to the conclusion that he was a bad QB.
I'll stand by what I've said for a couple of years now, the Giants robbed Eli of the second-half of his career. And now with the team getting better, his career is coming to an end. They really botched this.
I’ll look at the Falcons game which I was unfortunately at as a microcosm of Eli’s 2018 season. Did little to nothing most of the game and accumulated 100 yards and a meaningless junk time td when the Falcons had the game in the bag. You’re really reaching if you’re trying to say Eli was good in 2018
There's no doubt the Giants have had roster, talent, management, and coaching issues over the last 7 years.
They've had 5/7 losing seasons and 1 playoff appearance. Manning has also been part of the problem in a few of those years too, he's not been a completely innocent victim.
I think most objective fans would agree the Giants have been largely bad the last 7 years and Eli Manning has been inconsistent the last 7 years.
We all know this.
Give Eli time and he shines.
Isn't that the case for all qb's?
Anyway, whether it's Eli, Jones..the rest of this teams needs an upgrade and better play. It's not only the qb's
I'll ask again - what other player has been described as "stinks" by talking heads?
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Again read this very slow you imbeciles. One more TD every THREE games. ONE. Jesus Christ. For two people who claim to be so smart, I don’t think they once picked up a football in their life.