Nothing really new here, and not sure I should even give this clicks but it's a slow news morning and figured the segment was worth a post.
I actually think Kellerman is better than most of the ESPN talking head trash-pile (not saying much), and I know he's a Giants fan. I think a lot of Giants fan share the sentiment even if they wouldn't put it so bluntly or state it so publicly. What say you BBI?
Kellerman: Eli Stinks - (
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"Let's bump my salary up 25%, shall we?"
"WHAT?!? That's ridiculous. You didn't even come into the office at all last week and I'm pretty sure you played video games all day yesterday, and you want a 30k raise?"
"Well really, it's just a 7500 more every 4 months."
One of the dumbest fucking comparisons I’ve ever seen. Not surprising coming from you. It’s not funny, it’s not realistic, nor does it even compare to what I brought up.
Par from the course from you. Another one of our great “fans” on this site.
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at the point we've gotten to. Supposed Giant fans are actually taking Kellerman's side here. Giving credence to a fucking moron who doesn't get held accountable.
I'll ask again - what other player has been described as "stinks" by talking heads?
Brett Favre Absolutely Sucks - ( New Window )
It's not even isolated to just that one...
Cris Carter: Adrian Peterson stinks, just like I did with the Dolphins
How about a twofer?
Mark Teixiera Stinks — But Not As Bad As Albert Pujols
In case you think it's just American sports...
FC Barcelona: Lionel Messi World's Most Overrated Footballer
I think we all understand that Kellerman's job is to be sensationalist. Throwing around words like "stinks" drive clicks and pageviews - it's the nature of the world we live in and it extends far beyond sports.
That said, I think you can simultaneously understand that Kellerman is one of many blowhard talking heads all trying to stand out amid the din of the rest of them while also recognizing that there might be some underlying validity to what he's saying (even if you acknowledge that the manner in which he tries to make his point is over the top and exceedingly douche-y).
I don't think Eli stinks (no matter how much dep tries to paint me with that brush), but I think there's a decline there that exists with Eli, independent of the supporting cast that has been so bad that Eli hasn't even had a fair chance to age gracefully the past few years. Every flaw in his game has been exposed. Every weakness is on full display. And everything that has gotten a little bit worse due to age has been there for all to see, and it has looked even worse than it probably really is.
Most teams at least try to cover for their star QB's weaknesses, especially as age begins to set in. Under Reese, it often seemed like the Giants did the exact opposite, building a roster that could not have been more ill-suited to an aging gunslinger with limited mobility in the pocket.
And now we're left with a QB who probably should have had at least a few more really productive years that were instead wasted with a piss poor roster, and a fanbase that includes many fans who want so badly to claw back those missing years that they refuse to acknowledge that the clock kept ticking even while the Giants were wasting the tail end of Eli's prime.
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And again, I'm not saying Eli "had a great year." Hell, I am not even saying he had a "good" year. He's the head of the offense and the offense didn't get the job done.
But IMO, you can't objectively look at his game last year and come to the conclusion that he was a bad QB.
I'll stand by what I've said for a couple of years now, the Giants robbed Eli of the second-half of his career. And now with the team getting better, his career is coming to an end. They really botched this.
I’ll look at the Falcons game which I was unfortunately at as a microcosm of Eli’s 2018 season. Did little to nothing most of the game and accumulated 100 yards and a meaningless junk time td when the Falcons had the game in the bag. You’re really reaching if you’re trying to say Eli was good in 2018
What other games did Eli “pad” his stats. I’ll give you Atlanta and the first Dallas game. What others?
Again read this very slow you imbeciles. One more TD every THREE games. ONE. Jesus Christ. For two people who claim to be so smart, I don’t think they once picked up a football in their life.
25-30% matters because it is the context for the additional 5-6 TDs.
Maybe this will help illustrate it for you. How about 5 more TDs for Mahomes? Considering he threw for 50 (3.13 per game), adding an additional .31 per game is at least arguable but even then, +10% is extremely high.
Eli threw for 21 TDs last year. That's 1.31 per game. That's less than 4 every 3 games. If you can't see how adding one more every three games is statistically insane when someone has only thrown for 4 during that span, I don't know how else to explain it to you.
If scoring 5-6 additional touchdowns was as easy to do as you are trying to make it seem, Eli would almost certainly have done it. But +25-30% is not a throwaway number. It's an enormous jump which made your entire argument baseless. It's not a realistic scenario. It's poorly written fan fiction.
And yet I'm one of the imbeciles, right? You couldn't count your fucking fingers without an abacus. Carry on with your ignorance.
You can keep saying it, but that doesn't make it true. Kind of like arguing that your +5-6 TDs is a realistic scenario.
You're really too fucking dumb to even debate with.
When your deal with such small numbers ( like fucking 5), percentages don’t hold the context as it would with other numbers like some moronic example someone tried to explain earlier.
Again... imbecile. Slow this down. Maybe have someone read it to you. One more TD every THREE games.
Think back to the first JAX game. Hitting OBJ before the half. No PI on Barry Church which would have let OBJ wide open for a TD. Maybe a throw from 3rd and goal instead of a reverse to OBJ....
You see, these are actual game plays. Don’t need no fancy puter or my fingas or toesies to count.
15 years and counting. Bat signal getting stronger by the second.
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Well your posting for 15 years would suggest elsewise.
You can keep saying it, but that doesn't make it true. Kind of like arguing that your +5-6 TDs is a realistic scenario.
You're really too fucking dumb to even debate with.
Like I said, you should Never call anyone else dumb. Well maybe Santa. By the way who’s Carrey and who’s Daniels?? Tough to distinguish.
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And again, I'm not saying Eli "had a great year." Hell, I am not even saying he had a "good" year. He's the head of the offense and the offense didn't get the job done.
But IMO, you can't objectively look at his game last year and come to the conclusion that he was a bad QB.
I'll stand by what I've said for a couple of years now, the Giants robbed Eli of the second-half of his career. And now with the team getting better, his career is coming to an end. They really botched this.
I’ll look at the Falcons game which I was unfortunately at as a microcosm of Eli’s 2018 season. Did little to nothing most of the game and accumulated 100 yards and a meaningless junk time td when the Falcons had the game in the bag. You’re really reaching if you’re trying to say Eli was good in 2018
What other games did Eli “pad” his stats. I’ll give you Atlanta and the first Dallas game. What others?
First Redskin game.
Went down 20 to 6 with three minutes to go.
Eli engineer to drive that gave him 90 passing yards and a touchdown it took over 2 1/2 minutes off the clock
When your deal with such small numbers ( like fucking 5), percentages don’t hold the context as it would with other numbers like some moronic example someone tried to explain earlier.
Again... imbecile. Slow this down. Maybe have someone read it to you. One more TD every THREE games.
Think back to the first JAX game. Hitting OBJ before the half. No PI on Barry Church which would have let OBJ wide open for a TD. Maybe a throw from 3rd and goal instead of a reverse to OBJ....
You see, these are actual game plays. Don’t need no fancy puter or my fingas or toesies to count.
15 years and counting. Bat signal getting stronger by the second.
Again... innumerate weirdo. Slow this down. Maybe have someone read it to you. Adding ONE more TD every THREE games when someone has thrown LESS THAN FOUR every THREE games is batshit insane. That's not realistic.
It's ok, though. You just don't understand math - that explains why you hate statistics so much. But you didn't have to keep embarrassing yourself in the process.
Enjoy your version of reality. It's pointless to keep trying to explain this to you.
One more TD every three games in unrealistic? You can really tell who played the game and those who watch it with a calculator in front of them. Hahahahaha
He rarely says anything memorable or factual.
You painted yourself into the corner and then got mad at your own brush.
You're not even making sense now.
This was your silly hypothetical, and it was simply "if Eli threw for 5-6 more TDs" with no mention of yardage.
The point I was making in response to that was that if you were to subtract 5-6 TDs from Eli's 21 passing TDs last year, he would have finished with 15-16 passing TDs. That would have put him in between Bortles (13) and Fitzpatrick (17). It was not a referendum on Eli. I was not suggesting that Eli belongs in their company. I was pointing out that 5-6 TDs is a big swing. It's the difference between a legitimate NFL starting QB and a pair of journeyman scrubs.
And because it's a big enough difference to separate Eli from those bums, it's also too big of an amount to just casually add to Eli's total as a what-if.
That was the entire point I was trying to make. 5-6 TDs is a much bigger swing than you seem to think, because if it was as insignificant as you claim, then someone like Fitzpatrick wouldn't be within 5 TDs of Eli in the first place. I hope that explanation helps.
Bortles only played 12 games
Fitz only played 8
And if Eli threw for that less TDs... similar yards, and similar INT rate.... then yes he would be scrubs like them. Happy now? For Christ sakes.
And going by your weird theory... if Eli threw for 5-6 more TDs... he’s in the likes of Aaron Rodgers, Baker, Deshaun Watson... you know pro bowl type QBs. Which basically proves my point.
Just stop. Please. Turn the bat signal off for a week. Go outside. Enjoy life. You gave a good run for 15 years. Take a break.
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I guess the whole over 1500 yards in your two comparison gets lost in translation too. Must not have figured in your puter....
Bortles only played 12 games
Fitz only played 8
Because they sucked? Kind of the point.
And if Eli threw for that less TDs... similar yards, and similar INT rate.... then yes he would be scrubs like them. Happy now? For Christ sakes.
And going by your weird theory... if Eli threw for 5-6 more TDs... he’s in the likes of Aaron Rodgers, Baker, Deshaun Watson... you know pro bowl type QBs. Which basically proves my point.
Just stop. Please. Turn the bat signal off for a week. Go outside. Enjoy life. You gave a good run for 15 years. Take a break.
I disregarded it because it wasn't part of your hypothetical. There was no pick and choose; I simply responded to your scenario, which was only about adding 5-6 TDs.
Pay attention: I do not think Eli is a scrub like Fitzpatrick or Bortles. I think adding 5-6 TDs to anyone's season total is a dumb argument and I was trying to prove it by pointing out that 5-6 TDs is what separates Eli from those scrubs. In other words, it's a pretty fucking large difference.
Unfortunately, this topic landed squarely on the intersection of your tendency to get defensive about Eli and your inability to process math. Kind of a perfect storm, I guess.
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I guess the whole over 1500 yards in your two comparison gets lost in translation too. Must not have figured in your puter....
Bortles only played 12 games
Fitz only played 8
Because they sucked? Kind of the point.
You are getting every one of your arguments blown apart but just refuse to get the point.
You are better off with sticking to calling people shitty fans and not wading into any numerical based arguments because you just don't have the capacity to grasp even the basic concepts.
I give up
Not one person here blew up my argument. Not you, not Santa, not Gatorade.
Holy shit. And I will continue to use “fans” to describe you guys because I seriously doubt you guys watch the games.
Actually several people did. It was a shitty argument and you continued to double down on it.
You just don't do well with numbers. No one is questioning your football acumen and certainly not your loyalty to Eli or to the Giants. But holy shit are you bad at math.
Think how realistic/unrealistic that is by using actual game plays from the season. Go rewatch the games. Go look at thebplay logs.
If you don’t think it’s plausible, then I don’t know what to tell you.
This quote by christian really encapsulates the situation in a nutshell
I don't get the Media's repeated jabs at Manning. I don't get our own fans being seemingly gleeful to crap on him in nearly every thread about the guy, but what is said above really should diffuse these arguments, because if you don't truly believe that - then there is some delusion going on.
Think how realistic/unrealistic that is by using actual game plays from the season. Go rewatch the games. Go look at thebplay logs.
If you don’t think it’s plausible, then I don’t know what to tell you.
Fine, you want to do it by the play logs and not by actual math, how about this - by my count, Eli had 7 TD passes of 3 yds or less last season. What if even three of those had been Barkley rushes instead of Eli passes? That's not even a stretch considering SB is quite likely the best RB in the NFL. You could probably make the case for all 7 of those TDs just as easily being Barkley runs instead of Eli passes, but I'll stick with less than half for the sake of illustrating this.
You really can't just cherry pick examples where TDs were left on the field because you can just as easily look at TDs that were partly the result of playcalling as much as anything else. There are too many variables.
So the most basic thing to look at is the macro argument, and that's where I stand by my point that adding 5-6 passing TDs is simply unrealistic.
My point is actually really simple. Think about the 16 games last year.... were there 5 Passing TDs that were left on the table that we should have? S if they were completed... Eli’s year is viewed MUCH differently.
And there’s plenty of blame to go around. A lot were on Eli. Some on being downed inside the 5. Some prevented on penalty. Some on the WRs.
The thought that 5 is some huge number and impossible to get is my issue.
My point is actually really simple. Think about the 16 games last year.... were there 5 Passing TDs that were left on the table that we should have? S if they were completed... Eli’s year is viewed MUCH differently.
And there’s plenty of blame to go around. A lot were on Eli. Some on being downed inside the 5. Some prevented on penalty. Some on the WRs.
The thought that 5 is some huge number and impossible to get is my issue.
Why can't you add 5-6 TDs to every QB in the league or is Eli the only guy the phenomenon applies to?
If you add 5-6 TDs to every QB then he gets looked at the exact same way.
But, headlining with "Eli stinks" is classless, indicative of a lack of professionalism and talent. An adult shold know better.
You think 26 will look that great in comparison to that?
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Next time I ask for a raise:
"Let's bump my salary up 25%, shall we?"
"WHAT?!? That's ridiculous. You didn't even come into the office at all last week and I'm pretty sure you played video games all day yesterday, and you want a 30k raise?"
"Well really, it's just a 7500 more every 4 months."
One of the dumbest fucking comparisons I’ve ever seen. Not surprising coming from you. It’s not funny, it’s not realistic, nor does it even compare to what I brought up.
Par from the course from you. Another one of our great “fans” on this site.
Are you honestly calling me a bad fan because I made fun of you...
Oh yes, of course you are. It's you!
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I guess the whole over 1500 yards in your two comparison gets lost in translation too. Must not have figured in your puter....
Bortles only played 12 games
Fitz only played 8
I bet it rained in some of them too, so they absolutely must be stricken from the record.
1500 yard difference? That's only 300 yards every 3 games of the season. If you look at it that way, the gap isn't meaningful.
Just a clueless poster. AlwAys has been, always will be.
And the rain argument is absolutely hysterical.
Bortles sucked in the rain
Mariotta threw for 89 yards
Daniel had 5 turnovers.
But I am sure it didn’t affect their play, right?
Yeah, that's about the crux of it. It all stemmed from a post that was basically, "Our fans are the worst, can't they see that if Eli threw 5-6 more TDs, people would think he was great instead of thinking he was terrible?"
I guess if he didn’t miss out that many TDs, or it’s absurd to think he could have had more.... maybe he didn’t play bad whatsoever and maximized all of his opportunities!! 🤔
If Eli threw for 4300 yards 26 TDS and 11 INTs... (like other pro bowlers did last year) would the narrative of he stinks change.
Keep going to the extremes Santa. My laughter of BBI bat signal responders grows louder every day.
If you remember Matt SGS’s post... Eli played in some of the worst weather games last year as well.
Nobody takes into these factors which is pretty poor IMao.
My original post. But leave it to Santa to take it to a place of things I never said. Good work!!!
Its the decade long argument that Eli had had it so much harder than every other QB. His OCs all suck, his WRs all run the wrong routes and drop the ball. He never has a clean pocket.
It's tiresome and frankly it's patronizing towards Eli.
Eli would never make those excuses, why don't you follow his example.
The ironic thing is the number of perceived negative Eli posts would diminish greatly if Dep stopped posting. People are even arguing against Eli here, they are argouing against your shitty logic.