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Kellerman: Thanks for Everything, but Eli Stinks Now

Giantophile : 7/23/2019 12:45 pm
Nothing really new here, and not sure I should even give this clicks but it's a slow news morning and figured the segment was worth a post.

I actually think Kellerman is better than most of the ESPN talking head trash-pile (not saying much), and I know he's a Giants fan. I think a lot of Giants fan share the sentiment even if they wouldn't put it so bluntly or state it so publicly. What say you BBI?
Kellerman: Eli Stinks - ( New Window )
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RE: Again  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14506230 ron mexico said:
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You can say that for all QBs. Since you can say it for all QBs it is meaningless

Its the decade long argument that Eli had had it so much harder than every other QB. His OCs all suck, his WRs all run the wrong routes and drop the ball. He never has a clean pocket


You haven’t been here a decade and know all this 🤔🤔🤔

By the way, checkout mbavaros showing that Eli’s supporting cast (offense, defense, and special teams) have been below average or near the bottom of the league for the entire part of his career.

I know you guys will dismiss it, but hey - it’s what you guys do.
I don't know when I joins here  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 1:51 pm : link
But it was a long time ago

In case you forget, there was a security breach that made everyone re register
RE: I don't know when I joins here  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14506236 ron mexico said:
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But it was a long time ago

In case you forget, there was a security breach that made everyone re register


It wasn’t in 2015if memory serves me correct.
And I need to edit my last response  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 1:53 pm : link
Eli has had good WRs and obviously his OL bolstered the average early on in Eli’s career...

Here’s the link for those who didn’t see.
Surrounding talent - ( New Window )
I don't know what bavaro posted  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 1:54 pm : link
Happy to take a look if you link it. But isn't Eli part of that offense that ranked so low? Could even say the most important part?
RE: I don't know what bavaro posted  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14506243 ron mexico said:
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Happy to take a look if you link it. But isn't Eli part of that offense that ranked so low? Could even say the most important part?


I just posted it. It’s from 2002-2018. Giants QB play was top 5 in the NFL. Check it out by position. Look at the defense and special teams. Putrid.
RE: And I mentioned  
figgy2989 : 7/24/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14505765 dep026 said:
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Just stop. Please. Turn the bat signal off for a week. Go outside. Enjoy life.


May want to take your own advice here dep.
RE: RE: I don't know when I joins here  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14506238 dep026 said:
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In comment 14506236 ron mexico said:


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But it was a long time ago

In case you forget, there was a security breach that made everyone re register



It wasn’t in 2015if memory serves me correct.


You are wrong, I retegistered after the breach.

I used to post under blue baller or some equally stupid name.
Like I said  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 1:57 pm : link
I could be wrong. I thought it was after 2015. Like 2016-2017
RE: RE: And I mentioned  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14506248 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 14505765 dep026 said:


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Just stop. Please. Turn the bat signal off for a week. Go outside. Enjoy life.



May want to take your own advice here dep.


No thanks.
RE: RE: If Eli threw for 5-6 more TDs  
santacruzom : 7/24/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14506224 dep026 said:
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In comment 14505105 dep026 said:


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Last year, I wonder how many would still say he stink.

If you remember Matt SGS’s post... Eli played in some of the worst weather games last year as well.

Nobody takes into these factors which is pretty poor IMao.



My original post. But leave it to Santa to take it to a place of things I never said. Good work!!!


So in this particular post you didn't lament our shitty fans, but you did say it's pretty poor that no Eli detractor is factoring in how 5-6 more TDs would reflect differently... and I'm taking this to a place you never said?
Exactly  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 2:26 pm : link
I was showing how a statistical line can alter people’s views... not just our shitty fans on BBI, but also people across the nation(take a loo at what the OP brought up... thanks).

To me, we should have had a lot more passing TDs last year. And like I said due to Eli missing guys, getting tackled inside the 5, dropped TDs, poor play calling, etc... Eli EASILY could have had the stat line I brought up.

I know that’s absurd because it probably paints a light that Eli’s season isn’t nearly as bad people thought. I know... absurd.
RE: Exactly  
Nine-Tails : 7/24/2019 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14506276 dep026 said:
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I was showing how a statistical line can alter people’s views... not just our shitty fans on BBI, but also people across the nation(take a loo at what the OP brought up... thanks).

To me, we should have had a lot more passing TDs last year. And like I said due to Eli missing guys, getting tackled inside the 5, dropped TDs, poor play calling, etc... Eli EASILY could have had the stat line I brought up.

I know that’s absurd because it probably paints a light that Eli’s season isn’t nearly as bad people thought. I know... absurd.


It easily goes both ways though. What about plays when receivers made great plays to score. A dump off to Barkley where he jukes the world and leaps into the end zone. The fact remains he just had 21 tds
RE: RE: Exactly  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14506280 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14506276 dep026 said:


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I was showing how a statistical line can alter people’s views... not just our shitty fans on BBI, but also people across the nation(take a loo at what the OP brought up... thanks).

To me, we should have had a lot more passing TDs last year. And like I said due to Eli missing guys, getting tackled inside the 5, dropped TDs, poor play calling, etc... Eli EASILY could have had the stat line I brought up.

I know that’s absurd because it probably paints a light that Eli’s season isn’t nearly as bad people thought. I know... absurd.



It easily goes both ways though. What about plays when receivers made great plays to score. A dump off to Barkley where he jukes the world and leaps into the end zone. The fact remains he just had 21 tds


And my point was he should have had more and saying he could have had 5 more is very reasonable if not probable.
And again  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 2:38 pm : link
Cause somehow the same posters miss the point over and over again...

Many BBI’ers, fans and media pundits say Eli sucked last year with 21/11 and 4300 yards....

If he had thrown for 26/11 and 4300 yards like Brady, Rodgers, Watson, Mayfield - would be still stink?

Does Matt Stanford stink? Dalton? They had nearly identical stats as Eli. Nary a word on them. Guess it’s just an oversight and they aren’t the reason why their teams have stunk too.
RE: RE: Exactly  
bw in dc : 7/24/2019 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14506280 Nine-Tails said:
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It easily goes both ways though. What about plays when receivers made great plays to score. A dump off to Barkley where he jukes the world and leaps into the end zone. The fact remains he just had 21 tds


Well, obviously you don't understand how this works. While your point is completely valid and reasonable in a normal world, it doesn't play with the Eli-Never-Gets-A-Break Crowd.

Barkley making that play is merely what Barkley owes Eli. Eli gave Barkley the opportunity to score. And when the other supporting cast doesn't act in kind, well, they have failed to show Eli in his best light.

Therefore, we have to go back through the year and adjust all of those plays where Eli didn't get the best outcome. It's called EAQBR - Eli Adjusted Quarterback Rating. And it's clear - above - who those adjusters are...
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/24/2019 3:00 pm : link
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Poor product...
bw in dc : 7/11/2019 6:13 pm : link : reply
and that stadium is a real pain in the ass to get to.

I think this DC sport fan is losing interest and gravitating more to the Caps and the Nats. Two significantly better run organizations...


What's that???
We got the full 9 piece band  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 3:01 pm : link
Playing now!!!
RE: And again  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14506286 dep026 said:
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Cause somehow the same posters miss the point over and over again...

Many BBI’ers, fans and media pundits say Eli sucked last year with 21/11 and 4300 yards....

If he had thrown for 26/11 and 4300 yards like Brady, Rodgers, Watson, Mayfield - would be still stink?

Does Matt Stanford stink? Dalton? They had nearly identical stats as Eli. Nary a word on them. Guess it’s just an oversight and they aren’t the reason why their teams have stunk too.


dalton only played 11 games and no one is singing his praises

As for matt stafford

https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Sports-Team/Matthew-Stafford-Sucks-128823890511121/

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/columnists/bob-wojnowski/2018/11/22/wojo-matthew-stafford-tosses-away-whats-left-detroit-lions-season/2086317002/

http://www.talk-sports.net/nfl/sucks.aspx/Matthew_Stafford


RE: LOL...  
bw in dc : 7/24/2019 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14506305 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Poor product...
bw in dc : 7/11/2019 6:13 pm : link : reply
and that stadium is a real pain in the ass to get to.

I think this DC sport fan is losing interest and gravitating more to the Caps and the Nats. Two significantly better run organizations...



What's that???


Should be "the" instead of "this"...
Sure..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/24/2019 3:06 pm : link
it is...
Guess what Ron...  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 3:07 pm : link
Matt Stanford doesn’t stink either. You’re totally missing the point.


And no offense, I’m not going to a Facebook page for a source of information haha
RE: Sure..  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14506312 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it is...


I think he’s a DC sports fan when the Giants are winning cause you sure as shit didn’t see him here when we were winning. Only when we are losing ...🤔🤔🤔
RE: RE: RE: Exactly  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/24/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14506281 dep026 said:
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In comment 14506280 Nine-Tails said:


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In comment 14506276 dep026 said:


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I was showing how a statistical line can alter people’s views... not just our shitty fans on BBI, but also people across the nation(take a loo at what the OP brought up... thanks).

To me, we should have had a lot more passing TDs last year. And like I said due to Eli missing guys, getting tackled inside the 5, dropped TDs, poor play calling, etc... Eli EASILY could have had the stat line I brought up.

I know that’s absurd because it probably paints a light that Eli’s season isn’t nearly as bad people thought. I know... absurd.



It easily goes both ways though. What about plays when receivers made great plays to score. A dump off to Barkley where he jukes the world and leaps into the end zone. The fact remains he just had 21 tds



And my point was he should have had more and saying he could have had 5 more is very reasonable if not probable.

If OBJ had that extra gear we would have been close.

Plus less of the constant basic stunts getting to Eli in 1.5 secs.
RE: RE: LOL...  
Bill L : 7/24/2019 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14506311 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14506305 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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Poor product...
bw in dc : 7/11/2019 6:13 pm : link : reply
and that stadium is a real pain in the ass to get to.

I think this DC sport fan is losing interest and gravitating more to the Caps and the Nats. Two significantly better run organizations...



What's that???



Should be "the" instead of "this"...


I'm pretty sure it was Freudian.
RE: Guess what Ron...  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14506313 dep026 said:
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Matt Stanford doesn’t stink either. You’re totally missing the point.


And no offense, I’m not going to a Facebook page for a source of information haha


I though the point is Eli is being treated unfairly in the media and no one else is?

There are hot takes all around the league. Eli isn't alone.

RE: RE: RE: LOL...  
bw in dc : 7/24/2019 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14506321 Bill L said:
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Should be "the" instead of "this"...



I'm pretty sure it was Freudian.


That mistake is going to be costly... ;)
A Facebook page  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 3:23 pm : link
And a forum is not even close to what Eli gets. I’ve not seen a national media outlet like ESPN or nfl network go to the lengths to bash Stanford like they do Eli.
Stanford is a great school...  
bw in dc : 7/24/2019 3:27 pm : link
Why would either bash them?
RE: Stanford is a great school...  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14506359 bw in dc said:
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Why would either bash them?


It is a head scratcher.
Matt Stanford?  
Les in TO : 7/24/2019 4:01 pm : link
Any relationship to Aaron Rutgers?
RE: It really shouldn't..  
Johnny5 : 7/24/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14505787 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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get into a discussion about numbers.

This quote by christian really encapsulates the situation in a nutshell



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I think most objective fans would agree the Giants have been largely bad the last 7 years and Eli Manning has been inconsistent the last 7 years



I don't get the Media's repeated jabs at Manning. I don't get our own fans being seemingly gleeful to crap on him in nearly every thread about the guy, but what is said above really should diffuse these arguments, because if you don't truly believe that - then there is some delusion going on.

For sure agreed. NOW I am rooting especially BIG time for Eli to kill it this year so we can resurrect this thread just so Dep can make everybody ganging up on him here eat a shit sandwich... lol

Oh yeah And I hope Daniel Jones kicks ass in 2020
Amen..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/24/2019 5:20 pm : link
Johnny!
What exactly will I be eating a shit sandwich for?  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 5:23 pm : link
Which post of mine or Santa Cruz or Christian's are you going to throw back in our faces?
RE: What exactly will I be eating a shit sandwich for?  
Johnny5 : 7/24/2019 5:34 pm : link
In comment 14506462 ron mexico said:
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Which post of mine or Santa Cruz or Christian's are you going to throw back in our faces?

Well, I didn't mention names, but since you replied first (and ever so quickly)... guilty! lol

The shit sandwich will be the same Giant football covered with shit I have mentioned in this thread that Eli shoves down all Naysayers throats this year... lol. And man do I hope he does it.

And I will feel really stupid now if he doesn't lol
Speaking of sandwiches  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2019 5:46 pm : link
hopefully Eli doesn't eat too many this summer so he can play better in 2019 at this new lower weight.

Also, the almanac is predicting slightly lower than average rainfall around northern New Jersey for this upcoming fall.

Pro Bowl here he comes...

It doesn’t matter how well or bad Eli does anymore  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 5:46 pm : link
It’s the fact when ANY poster says something positive or defends him, the same shitty posters come here and make the same shitty posts about how everyone is wrong about Eli and just shit on him time after time.

It’s not even to the point where we are discussing if he’s done or still has it. It hasn’t gotten to the point where you can’t say anything positive about him without the bat signal going up and the band coming into play.
I was surprised when they started letting Max comment  
widmerseyebrow : 7/24/2019 5:47 pm : link
on things other than boxing. I'm even more surprised that he's still doing it.
RE: Speaking of sandwiches  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14506471 Jimmy Googs said:
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hopefully Eli doesn't eat too many this summer so he can play better in 2019 at this new lower weight.

Also, the almanac is predicting slightly lower than average rainfall around northern New Jersey for this upcoming fall.

Pro Bowl here he comes...


The man knows more than Hall of gamers.

Can you show how the other QBs did during the rain? I already did but I’m sure you ignored it cause it would make you look stupid again.
Famers *  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 5:48 pm : link
Not gamers.
RE: RE: What exactly will I be eating a shit sandwich for?  
santacruzom : 7/24/2019 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14506468 Johnny5 said:
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And I will feel really stupid now if he doesn't lol


Not necessarily! The precedent is being established.
Apparently, all you'll have to do if Eli plays average and puts up average statistics is say, "Well, would you still be saying he's average if his stats were 25% better, you shitty fan?"
In what post  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 5:52 pm : link
Did I say anything negative about Eli?

Just would like to get my knife and fork ready (only a creetin eats a shit sandwich with his hands)

You guys need to understand there is a difference between disagreeing a posters shitty take on something and insulting the player he is defending.

Supporting Eli isn't a get out of jail free card for being a shity poster.

RE: RE: Speaking of sandwiches  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14506474 dep026 said:
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In comment 14506471 Jimmy Googs said:


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hopefully Eli doesn't eat too many this summer so he can play better in 2019 at this new lower weight.

Also, the almanac is predicting slightly lower than average rainfall around northern New Jersey for this upcoming fall.

Pro Bowl here he comes...




The man knows more than Hall of gamers.

Can you show how the other QBs did during the rain? I already did but I’m sure you ignored it cause it would make you look stupid again.


Who were the QBs again? Chase Daniels, Marcus Marriota and ???

That's quite a formidable group.

RE: RE: RE: What exactly will I be eating a shit sandwich for?  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 5:59 pm : link
In comment 14506478 santacruzom said:
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And I will feel really stupid now if he doesn't lol



Not necessarily! The precedent is being established.
Apparently, all you'll have to do if Eli plays average and puts up average statistics is say, "Well, would you still be saying he's average if his stats were 25% better, you shitty fan?"


Or continue to say stupid shit all the time and have no idea what you’re talking about and he could be like you!
RE: RE: RE: Speaking of sandwiches  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14506484 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14506474 dep026 said:


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In comment 14506471 Jimmy Googs said:


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hopefully Eli doesn't eat too many this summer so he can play better in 2019 at this new lower weight.

Also, the almanac is predicting slightly lower than average rainfall around northern New Jersey for this upcoming fall.

Pro Bowl here he comes...




The man knows more than Hall of gamers.

Can you show how the other QBs did during the rain? I already did but I’m sure you ignored it cause it would make you look stupid again.



Who were the QBs again? Chase Daniels, Marcus Marriota and ???

That's quite a formidable group.


So you’re saying they didn’t play well and their stats were affected by the rain. Thanks for proving my point.

You ask when you shit on eli- well here example number 1,237,456
Dude  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 6:06 pm : link
I didn't even mention Eli in my post

You are honestly delusional.
Yeah there was no comparison  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 6:09 pm : link
To Eli to the QBs you mentioned. Do you honestly think people weren’t going to notice? The talk of Eli throwing in the rain was mentioned 50 times already. But yeah, no referring there.

Delusion is your forte.
For the 100th time  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 6:09 pm : link
Saying you have a shitty argument is NOT the same as shitting in Eli

Unless you are actually Eli Manning that is
If anything you are shitting on Eli  
ron mexico : 7/24/2019 6:12 pm : link
By comparing him to Chase Fucking Daniels

He doesn't deserve that
Lol  
dep026 : 7/24/2019 6:16 pm : link
Ok...

I learned that throwing the football in a downpour is the same as throwing it in normal weather... people who never played the sport on BBI told me so...
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