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NFT: Yankees trade deadline discussion

YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 8:46 am
The deadline is 4:00 pm Wednesday.

Minor League baseball has just released its updated Top 30 prospects for each team, with changes based on 1st half minor league performance and the recent draft and international signings.

For the Yankees, the list remains filled with right handed starting pitching. This updated list shows 16 of the Yankees Top 30 are right handed pitchers.

On the trade front, is there any starter out there that would be an unquestionable playoff starter in October?

Should the preference be adding a very high level reliever to an already strong bullpen?

What trade chips are off limits?

Clint Frazier?
Miguel Andujar?
Deivi Garcia?
Anthony Seigler?
Estevan Florial?

What,if any, contributions can the Yankees expect this season from currently injured pitchers:

Luis Severino
Dellin Betances
Jordan Montgomery
Ben Heller
Jonathan Loaisiga
CC Sabathia

With about 55 hours to go before the deadline, what should happen?
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Here  
YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 8:56 am : link
is the updated Yankees Top 30 prospect list
Link - ( New Window )
they've been more open than they usually are  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2019 9:00 am : link
in saying that nothing is off limits. and nothing should be.

The only asset that should be off limits is Jasson Dominguez who can't be traded anyway as he was just signed in this J2 class.

my stance is this  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2019 9:06 am : link
Cashman is playing this cool. He will entertain all options letting people know he's ready to pull the trigger, but balking at Stroman's price shows that he won't make a knee jerk decision. Balking at Stroman also pumps up Frazier and tells the league that he would be the centerpiece for a front line starter, not like the level of prospects that were given up for Stroman.

Patience is key. I'd like to win a WS this year too but I'm fine with holding onto our big trade assets for next year as well.
RE: my stance is this  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2019 9:08 am : link
In comment 14511365 UConn4523 said:
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Cashman is playing this cool. He will entertain all options letting people know he's ready to pull the trigger, but balking at Stroman's price shows that he won't make a knee jerk decision. Balking at Stroman also pumps up Frazier and tells the league that he would be the centerpiece for a front line starter, not like the level of prospects that were given up for Stroman.

Patience is key. I'd like to win a WS this year too but I'm fine with holding onto our big trade assets for next year as well.


were there any reports that the Jays had interest in Frazier as the centerpiece? The story seems to be pretty consistently reported that they were insistent on Garcia and Cashman wasn't going there for Stroman.
no  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2019 9:10 am : link
not that I know of. Just using Frazier as an example though. I know they think highly of him and wouldn't use him or try using him for someone they don't consider a top line starter.
Kinda like the Rangers  
Jay in Toronto : 7/29/2019 9:14 am : link
the rebuild (and expectations) have been accelerated (don't think 19 was the WS target) -- let's not panic and overpay. Plus pitching is a real wild card.

I don't want Bauer (not as a pitcher, as a Yankee in NYC).
RE: my stance is this  
mitch300 : 7/29/2019 9:15 am : link
In comment 14511365 UConn4523 said:
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Cashman is playing this cool. He will entertain all options letting people know he's ready to pull the trigger, but balking at Stroman's price shows that he won't make a knee jerk decision. Balking at Stroman also pumps up Frazier and tells the league that he would be the centerpiece for a front line starter, not like the level of prospects that were given up for Stroman.

Patience is key. I'd like to win a WS this year too but I'm fine with holding onto our big trade assets for next year as well.

I agree with you. Who is out there that is going to really make a difference. Sherzer is not being traded. Baumgarner is not being traded. Anyone else is about the same level that is already mentioned n the roster. Funny thing is on the post game a couple of days ago 5hey showed that the first 2 weeks of July the Yankees starters had the 2nd best era in the league. With this bullpen rested and ready to go in the post season, I like our chances.i mean we do have the best record in the American League.
Thought I saw  
Kyle in NY : 7/29/2019 9:16 am : link
that it was a no on both Garcia and Frazier for Stroman. Cash seems pretty insistent on not giving up those two unless he's getting at least 2.5 seasons of control on the pitcher in return. Syndergaard fits the bill but the Mets are surely asking for an insane price with no intention to ever send him to the Yankees
Eventually, you have to go for it though  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 9:17 am : link
This is the third season into this core's run and they don't look any closer to a title than they were in 2017.

I like Cashman and overall he does a terrific job, but it's hard to avoid the opinion that he really botched the pitching in the offseason. I defended passing on Corbin, but boy that looks like an enormous mistake right now.
Paxton is utterly fucking them  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 9:19 am : link
He was the acquisition that was supposed to be leading the rotation, the reason they didn't go hard after any FA starters, and after his good start to the season he has been DREADFUL.
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arcarsenal : 7/29/2019 9:22 am : link
Yeah, I think at some point, you have to say "this team is good enough to win if we can just give it a couple more pieces" - and you have to be a little aggressive.

You don't want to keep sitting on what you've got and then realize you've missed the boat.

I don't think Cashman should empty the system and overpay or be desperate - but I do think being a bit more aggressive at this deadline than we are at last deadline is warranted.

This team is 9 up in the division and we're on the precipice of August. Our odds of winning the ALE are very good right now. We're almost certainly going to be in the postseason. I don't want to just hope for good breaks on Severino, Betances and that things just fall into place on their own... it's too risky and will probably just have us fall short again.
the one player  
YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 9:28 am : link
that I would not trade is Miguel Andujar.

If you look at the Yankees, the 2019 bat of DJ LeMahieu equals what the 2018 Miguel Andujar bat gave us.

Imagine a 2020 lineup with BOTH LeMahieu and Andujar.

We can all agree that Andujar could be a better fielder, but he has VERY rare bat skills that can't be ignored.

In 606 plate appearances last year, Andujar only struck out 97 times. LeMahieu is targeted to strike out a similar (and extremely low) 90 times this year. With the other high strike out batters in the long term Yankees lineup, the batting order needs LeMahieu and Andujar.
This is what we're staring in the face right now  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 9:31 am : link
Paxton in the last month: 5 starts, 5.68 ERA, .336/.377/.635 allowed, 36 hits and 8 homers in 25.1 IP

Tanaka: 4 starts, 9.55 ERA, .302/.343/.615 allowed, 29 hits and 7 homers in 21.2 IP

Happ: 4 starts, 5.21 ERA, .293/.357/.480, 22 hits and 3 homers in 19 IP. I'm stunned it's only 3 homers.

Sabathia: 4 starts, 7.17 ERA, .299/.337/.655, 26 hits and 9 homers in 21.1 IP
even German has been just okay in the last month  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 9:32 am : link
None of their starters have actually pitched well in a month.
If it's a balky knee so be it...  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2019 9:36 am : link
but if this is what Paxton is, it sets things back a lot.
So in..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2019 9:37 am : link
other words, Happ is pitching better!!
BVW makes DiPoto look like a prospect hugger...  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2019 9:58 am : link
it's weird for a team fueled by young position players and whose arms were all developed (if not drafted) by the Mets to be absolutely allergic to prospects.
Yankees have been looking for a #2 starter for awhile.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2019 9:58 am : link
Burnett flamed our after one year, Pineda was a bust, Gray was a bust, Paxton has gotten off to a rough start - maybe Cashman is tired of getting burned and will just take the uber-bullpen approach this October.
RE: Paxton is utterly fucking them  
mfsd : 7/29/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14511379 Greg from LI said:
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He was the acquisition that was supposed to be leading the rotation, the reason they didn't go hard after any FA starters, and after his good start to the season he has been DREADFUL.


Plus nobody predicted we’d get zilch from Sevy. Paxton was supposed to be 2 a or b with Tanaka
Dunedin81  
YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 10:07 am : link
I am curious of your opinion of Trenton catcher Kellin Deglan.

Does he have the majors in his future? I know that he is one of the oldest players in AA at 27, but he seems to be having a very solid season.

Thoughts?
I think the Mets want players close to the bigs for Thor  
Blue Ninja : 7/29/2019 10:23 am : link
My best offer:

Clint Frazier
Deivi Garcia
Jonathan Loaisiga
Tyler Wade
Luis Medina

for

Thor
Zach Wheeler

Two position players you can plug and play immediately, two starters in AAA and a lottery ticket.
yeah, that's not gonna happen  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 10:25 am : link
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RE: yeah, that's not gonna happen  
Blue Ninja : 7/29/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14511502 Greg from LI said:
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From Mets point of view or Yankees?
From the Mets  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 10:28 am : link
They aren't going to trade anyone to the Yankees, period. The Coupons would sooner burn Citi Field to the ground than make a deal that would help the Yankees.
I can see Boyd as a Yankee by Wednesday for sure  
Dave in PA : 7/29/2019 10:30 am : link
Not sure I love it, but they are not going to win anything with the pitching as currently constructed
ick  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 10:31 am : link
If he came cheap, maybe, but the Tigers have been making absurd demands.
RE: Eventually, you have to go for it though  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14511377 Greg from LI said:
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This is the third season into this core's run and they don't look any closer to a title than they were in 2017.

I like Cashman and overall he does a terrific job, but it's hard to avoid the opinion that he really botched the pitching in the offseason. I defended passing on Corbin, but boy that looks like an enormous mistake right now.


Not attacking you, but do you think if Corbin was in NY and Paxton in Washington that they'd both be pitching the same? I don't, and I think that's the blessing/curse the Yankees face with pitching. Its simply a different beast, and there's really no way to know. Its probably why Cashman is being frugal and only wants a proven ace that has the mental makeup he thinks has what it takes. The 2/3 rotation pitchers are just a big risk for what it takes to get them.
Jordan Montgomery...  
M.S. : 7/29/2019 10:32 am : link

...forgot all about this guy. I just assumed we wouldn't hear from him until the 2020 Season, but according to the attached he may be back late this season. Whatever "late" really means!

Yankees Injury Report: Jordan Montgomery could return this season - ( New Window )
RE: the one player  
superspynyg : 7/29/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14511389 YANKEE28 said:
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that I would not trade is Miguel Andujar.

If you look at the Yankees, the 2019 bat of DJ LeMahieu equals what the 2018 Miguel Andujar bat gave us.

Imagine a 2020 lineup with BOTH LeMahieu and Andujar.

We can all agree that Andujar could be a better fielder, but he has VERY rare bat skills that can't be ignored.

In 606 plate appearances last year, Andujar only struck out 97 times. LeMahieu is targeted to strike out a similar (and extremely low) 90 times this year. With the other high strike out batters in the long term Yankees lineup, the batting order needs LeMahieu and Andujar.


What about Urshella?? Both Urshella and DLM play a better 3b than Andujar. Id rather trade Miguel and get a SP and go with DLM and Urshella at 3rd.
RE: the one player  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14511389 YANKEE28 said:
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that I would not trade is Miguel Andujar.

If you look at the Yankees, the 2019 bat of DJ LeMahieu equals what the 2018 Miguel Andujar bat gave us.

Imagine a 2020 lineup with BOTH LeMahieu and Andujar.

We can all agree that Andujar could be a better fielder, but he has VERY rare bat skills that can't be ignored.

In 606 plate appearances last year, Andujar only struck out 97 times. LeMahieu is targeted to strike out a similar (and extremely low) 90 times this year. With the other high strike out batters in the long term Yankees lineup, the batting order needs LeMahieu and Andujar.


I think Andujar is a great bat, but he's a future DH most likely. I'm completely fine with including him in a big package for an ace and paying DJLM instead. We've got too many DH's here.
I am not trading any top player or prospect  
superspynyg : 7/29/2019 10:34 am : link
for a pitcher with only this year of control. I want next year or more.
RE: From the Mets  
Blue Ninja : 7/29/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14511514 Greg from LI said:
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They aren't going to trade anyone to the Yankees, period. The Coupons would sooner burn Citi Field to the ground than make a deal that would help the Yankees.


lol, it does really seem that way.

The Yankees shouldn't trade anyone of significance for a mid-rotation type starter. Unfortunately the Mets have the only high end starter seemingly available. Hopefully we can make an outside the box move, like maybe German Marquez from Colorado.
Perhaps  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 10:37 am : link
Corbin was the better pitcher in 2018 by a fair bit, though, despite Paxton pitching in a very pitcher-friendly home park.
RE: Perhaps  
Matt in SGS : 7/29/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14511537 Greg from LI said:
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Corbin was the better pitcher in 2018 by a fair bit, though, despite Paxton pitching in a very pitcher-friendly home park.


Paxton is turning into Pineda 2.0, it's frustrating.

My guess is that Cashman walks away with Robbie Ray and a reliever when it's all said and done. I just hope he doesn't trade Frazier for dogshit, there is value there in a package to deal him.
Thoughts on Mike Minor?  
bigblue5611_2 : 7/29/2019 10:42 am : link
A Yankee scout was scouting him recently I believe and he’s been having a solid year down in Texas.
I am not a believer in Mike Minor  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 10:44 am : link
31 years old and very mediocre career stats as a starter before this season. Supposedly Texas will insist on Garcia for him....hell fuck no to that.
If that’s the case then I’m out on Minor as well  
bigblue5611_2 : 7/29/2019 10:45 am : link
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and I'm not Randal or anything, but at what point does Rothschild  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 10:46 am : link
start becoming responsible for so many pitchers flopping as Yankees? The Astros keep making pitchers better, while solid pitchers come to the Yankees and turn into dumpster fires.
It would  
YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 10:48 am : link
not shock me if Cashman tried to get Carlos Martinez from St. Louis.

He was previously a starter, but is now in the bullpen with the Jordan Hicks season ending injury.

Martinez is signed long term and is still only 27.
Not easy to find personalities  
JonC : 7/29/2019 10:51 am : link
who can handle and excel in NYC.
RE: It would  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14511563 YANKEE28 said:
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not shock me if Cashman tried to get Carlos Martinez from St. Louis.

He was previously a starter, but is now in the bullpen with the Jordan Hicks season ending injury.

Martinez is signed long term and is still only 27.


Cards bats are getting hot and they just tied for the NL Central lead. I'd be rather surprised if they sold off a player like CarMart.
RE: RE: the one player  
Eman11 : 7/29/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14511529 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14511389 YANKEE28 said:


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that I would not trade is Miguel Andujar.

If you look at the Yankees, the 2019 bat of DJ LeMahieu equals what the 2018 Miguel Andujar bat gave us.

Imagine a 2020 lineup with BOTH LeMahieu and Andujar.

We can all agree that Andujar could be a better fielder, but he has VERY rare bat skills that can't be ignored.

In 606 plate appearances last year, Andujar only struck out 97 times. LeMahieu is targeted to strike out a similar (and extremely low) 90 times this year. With the other high strike out batters in the long term Yankees lineup, the batting order needs LeMahieu and Andujar.



I think Andujar is a great bat, but he's a future DH most likely. I'm completely fine with including him in a big package for an ace and paying DJLM instead. We've got too many DH's here.


If it's for an Ace I'm ok with it too but only an Ace.

Next year I think EE isn't on the team and I see them playing Stanton in left as much as possible. I can see them making it work with Andujar as a DH part time 3B or wherever. If they don't trade him maybe they work with Andujar in the spring in the OF or even 1B to give them more flexibility.

I think this year has shown they like resting guys and having more than just a set 9 or 10 is important and can work.
bigbluehoya  
YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 10:57 am : link
I just have a feeling that Cashman is looking at pitching outside of the half dozen names we have been hearing for the past 2 months.

I am expecting a surprise acquisition.
They really have struggled...  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2019 10:57 am : link
to import starting pitching. CC, Tanaka, Kuroda, and a few guys they've tweaked (Eovaldi), otherwise every guy who has started for them at length this decade and pitched well has been someone they've developed in whole or in part.
Dunedin81  
YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 10:59 am : link
did you see my Deglan question above?
id be hesitant to completely blame Cashman  
Bill2 : 7/29/2019 11:02 am : link
He built a team with a healthy and close to peak years Severino, Betances and Montgomery in mind. That makes a lot of difference.

A lot of difference.

One of the true Aces in MLB.

A great 8th inning pitcher making the load easier on everyone.

And a guy who is probably better than late season CC/Happ if healthy.

Severino/Tanaka/Paxton/German/Montgomery with Betances added to the bullpen is a very good pitching staff??

RE: Dunedin81  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14511461 YANKEE28 said:
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I am curious of your opinion of Trenton catcher Kellin Deglan.

Does he have the majors in his future? I know that he is one of the oldest players in AA at 27, but he seems to be having a very solid season.

Thoughts?


Sorry, didn't see it initially. Unless the Yankees see some sort of offensive breakout, he seems to be on the organizational track. That is to say, he's a guy they'll move around to eat innings but who won't get in the way of a guy they think is a prospect. Jason Lopez and Donny Sands at Tampa are considerably younger and are prospects, though neither is beating down the door right now.
I do not follow AAA  
GruningsOnTheHill : 7/29/2019 11:05 am : link
so forgive the potentially stupid question:

if Deivi Garcia is lighting up AAA, why don't they call him up?
RE: RE: my stance is this  
adamg : 7/29/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14511367 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 14511365 UConn4523 said:


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Cashman is playing this cool. He will entertain all options letting people know he's ready to pull the trigger, but balking at Stroman's price shows that he won't make a knee jerk decision. Balking at Stroman also pumps up Frazier and tells the league that he would be the centerpiece for a front line starter, not like the level of prospects that were given up for Stroman.

Patience is key. I'd like to win a WS this year too but I'm fine with holding onto our big trade assets for next year as well.



were there any reports that the Jays had interest in Frazier as the centerpiece? The story seems to be pretty consistently reported that they were insistent on Garcia and Cashman wasn't going there for Stroman.


There was a report that Cash wouldn't include Deivi or Frazier for Stroman.
Grunings  
YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 11:09 am : link
He was lighting it up in AA.

Not so much in his few appearances in AAA.

Garcia is only 20 and is not currently on the 40 man roster. If the Yankees add him to that roster, someone has to be released.

A ton of potential, but perhaps a risk to ask for so much so early in his career.
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