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YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 8:46 am
The deadline is 4:00 pm Wednesday.

Minor League baseball has just released its updated Top 30 prospects for each team, with changes based on 1st half minor league performance and the recent draft and international signings.

For the Yankees, the list remains filled with right handed starting pitching. This updated list shows 16 of the Yankees Top 30 are right handed pitchers.

On the trade front, is there any starter out there that would be an unquestionable playoff starter in October?

Should the preference be adding a very high level reliever to an already strong bullpen?

What trade chips are off limits?

Clint Frazier?
Miguel Andujar?
Deivi Garcia?
Anthony Seigler?
Estevan Florial?

What,if any, contributions can the Yankees expect this season from currently injured pitchers:

Luis Severino
Dellin Betances
Jordan Montgomery
Ben Heller
Jonathan Loaisiga
CC Sabathia

With about 55 hours to go before the deadline, what should happen?
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RE: I do not follow AAA  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14511605 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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so forgive the potentially stupid question:

if Deivi Garcia is lighting up AAA, why don't they call him up?


He's not lighting up AAA, he's struggling (somewhat) at AAA. He was lighting up AA. He's very young (20), he started the year at Tampa, he's on an innings limit (already past his official career high), there is no rush.
RE: Paxton is utterly fucking them  
HomerJones45 : 7/29/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14511379 Greg from LI said:
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He was the acquisition that was supposed to be leading the rotation, the reason they didn't go hard after any FA starters, and after his good start to the season he has been DREADFUL.
This is not the Paxton they signed. Whether by happenstance or design, he is not throwing his curveball, which was a great pitch, nearly as much as he did with the Mariners, and he is throwing more cutters. Hopefully, Rothschild is telling him to ditch the cutter and start throwing the curve again.
More likely it's the Yankees dictating what pitchers throw.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2019 11:20 am : link
I know we mock Sonny Gray, but he made that point after getting dealt. As Greg alluded to, the reason pitchers struggle here can't all be "New York pressure" - something has to be up with the pitching philosophy. Is Paxton really under that much pressure? This team's been cruising along all year and he was never asked to be the savior of any kind. I'm guessing his knee has something to do with it, too.
IDK  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2019 11:21 am : link
It's working for the the kids, and it's not like they're one size fits all. Paxton struggling in the 1st, Gray not being able to pitch at YS, those don't seem like pitch selection issues.
I think Bumgarner should be the guy we target  
adamg : 7/29/2019 11:23 am : link
We need a post season ace. He's virtually the only available guy who is literally that.
RE: RE: the one player  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 7/29/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14511526 superspynyg said:
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In comment 14511389 YANKEE28 said:


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that I would not trade is Miguel Andujar.

If you look at the Yankees, the 2019 bat of DJ LeMahieu equals what the 2018 Miguel Andujar bat gave us.

Imagine a 2020 lineup with BOTH LeMahieu and Andujar.

We can all agree that Andujar could be a better fielder, but he has VERY rare bat skills that can't be ignored.

In 606 plate appearances last year, Andujar only struck out 97 times. LeMahieu is targeted to strike out a similar (and extremely low) 90 times this year. With the other high strike out batters in the long term Yankees lineup, the batting order needs LeMahieu and Andujar.



What about Urshella?? Both Urshella and DLM play a better 3b than Andujar. Id rather trade Miguel and get a SP and go with DLM and Urshella at 3rd.


I agree, Ursella has been super clutch too...
RE: I think Bumgarner should be the guy we target  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14511629 adamg said:
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We need a post season ace. He's virtually the only available guy who is literally that.


Was.
RE: I think Bumgarner should be the guy we target  
TheMick7 : 7/29/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14511629 adamg said:
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We need a post season ace. He's virtually the only available guy who is literally that.


Wish MadBum was available,but it seems he's not.Now that they're back in the race & this being Bochy's last year,I'd be surprised if he's moved.

I think Bauer is Cash's target & the Indians will be looking to move him even though they're in the race. His contract is going to increase immensely so the feeling is they want to move him now.Yesterday's actions give the Indians the "excuse" to move him!
What about Alex Wood?  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2019 11:28 am : link
I haven't heard his name mentioned. Had a very good year last year and just came back from injury and pitched well. He's a FA after the season so he shouldn't cost much. You'd hope he's not the only deadline acquisition but they could do far worse if Bumgarner isn't available, the Mets won't trade with the Yankees and a deal can't be struck for Bauer
(if they're even interested).
My 2020  
YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 11:29 am : link
Yankees team would include Urshela and Andujar.

And Stanton would be the everyday left fielder.
Wood would have to be a flyer...  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2019 11:36 am : link
you can't count on anything from him. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle ala McCarthy a few years back, but it's nothing more than that.
RE: My 2020  
TheMick7 : 7/29/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14511644 YANKEE28 said:
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Yankees team would include Urshela and Andujar.

And Stanton would be the everyday left fielder.


Here's the million dollar question as to whether they move Andujar or not. Are they resigning Didi? (They should try to do so right after the trade deadline-he's more than proven healthy) If so,you have the same situation you have now-4 infielders for 3 (3 1/2 if you count DJL at 1B) & unless Andujar becomes your DH/OF,there's a glut! Personally,I want to keep Andujar but if they need to use him for a SP that is truly a #1/2 (Damn if I know who that is but that's Cash's job!),then you'd have to move him!
RE: RE: My 2020  
Eman11 : 7/29/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14511657 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 14511644 YANKEE28 said:


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Yankees team would include Urshela and Andujar.

And Stanton would be the everyday left fielder.



Here's the million dollar question as to whether they move Andujar or not. Are they resigning Didi? (They should try to do so right after the trade deadline-he's more than proven healthy) If so,you have the same situation you have now-4 infielders for 3 (3 1/2 if you count DJL at 1B) & unless Andujar becomes your DH/OF,there's a glut! Personally,I want to keep Andujar but if they need to use him for a SP that is truly a #1/2 (Damn if I know who that is but that's Cash's job!),then you'd have to move him!


If think they'll resign Didi but I don't think it'll Impact Andujar. They'll make it work very similar to how they told DJ they'd get him his AB's. I see them rotating all those guys around the IF to get them AB's. They'll be room at DH too especially with Stanton playing a lot of LF, and I don't expect EE to be back.

They love resting guys and I think this year has proven it works, plus they'd be covering themselves for injury or if Gio is just having a one off type year. I don't think he is but they'll find room for talent and make it work.
RE: I think Bumgarner should be the guy we target  
Nine-Tails : 7/29/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14511629 adamg said:
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We need a post season ace. He's virtually the only available guy who is literally that.


Nods aggressively
I don't know who substantially improves the Yankee rotation  
dpinzow : 7/29/2019 11:51 am : link
other than MadBum and Bauer and it's unlikely either get traded
RE: RE: I think Bumgarner should be the guy we target  
dpinzow : 7/29/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14511668 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14511629 adamg said:


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We need a post season ace. He's virtually the only available guy who is literally that.



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I'd love MadBum but I don't think he's getting dealt
Bumgarner is an effective starter...  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2019 11:58 am : link
but he's not an ace. And the fact that he pitched like an ace in the postseason five years ago, in fact that he was historically good, does not add MPH to his FB, spin to his breaking ball, etc etc. Injuries and mileage have taken their toll on his stuff. Grit and determination go a long way, but they aren't going to take him where his stuff cannot.
Update from Buster Olney  
YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 11:58 am : link
Any Red Sox offer for Edwin Diaz would presumably include minor-league slugger Bobby Dalbec, who is blocked at 3b by the younger Rafael Devers, or 2018 No. 1 pick Triston Casas, in case Mets view him as 3b option. Red Sox confident they will make impact bullpen move.
RE: Bumgarner is an effective starter...  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14511675 Dunedin81 said:
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but he's not an ace. And the fact that he pitched like an ace in the postseason five years ago, in fact that he was historically good, does not add MPH to his FB, spin to his breaking ball, etc etc. Injuries and mileage have taken their toll on his stuff. Grit and determination go a long way, but they aren't going to take him where his stuff cannot.


This. People need to realize and accept that Bumgarner 2019 is not equivalent to Bumgarner 2012, recent hot streak notwithstanding.
RE: RE: Bumgarner is an effective starter...  
Tony in Tampa : 7/29/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14511695 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14511675 Dunedin81 said:


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but he's not an ace. And the fact that he pitched like an ace in the postseason five years ago, in fact that he was historically good, does not add MPH to his FB, spin to his breaking ball, etc etc. Injuries and mileage have taken their toll on his stuff. Grit and determination go a long way, but they aren't going to take him where his stuff cannot.



This. People need to realize and accept that Bumgarner 2019 is not equivalent to Bumgarner 2012, recent hot streak notwithstanding.


I guess I disagree. Without literally giving up the farm he'd be worth the risk due to his post season pedigree and he's currently hot. Will take it that he can pitch on guile alone and can get people out in a big spot. But it's a mute point, SF's not moving him.
RE: Update from Buster Olney  
dpinzow : 7/29/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14511676 YANKEE28 said:
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Any Red Sox offer for Edwin Diaz would presumably include minor-league slugger Bobby Dalbec, who is blocked at 3b by the younger Rafael Devers, or 2018 No. 1 pick Triston Casas, in case Mets view him as 3b option. Red Sox confident they will make impact bullpen move.


Why on earth did the Mets pick up Stroman then? Why would they trade their closer (the only good arm in an atrocious pen) in addition to either Syndergaard or Wheeler. In other terms, what on earth is Brodie van Wagenen doing
It's easy to envision Diaz pitching well for Boston  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2019 12:54 pm : link
and driving Mets fans crazy.
RE: RE: Update from Buster Olney  
Eman11 : 7/29/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14511755 dpinzow said:
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In comment 14511676 YANKEE28 said:


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Any Red Sox offer for Edwin Diaz would presumably include minor-league slugger Bobby Dalbec, who is blocked at 3b by the younger Rafael Devers, or 2018 No. 1 pick Triston Casas, in case Mets view him as 3b option. Red Sox confident they will make impact bullpen move.



Why on earth did the Mets pick up Stroman then? Why would they trade their closer (the only good arm in an atrocious pen) in addition to either Syndergaard or Wheeler. In other terms, what on earth is Brodie van Wagenen doing


Plus from everything I've seen and heard it doesn't seem like the Mets need a 3B going forward. It sounds like they could use SS,CF and C help as far as position players go.
RE: RE: Bumgarner is an effective starter...  
Nine-Tails : 7/29/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14511695 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14511675 Dunedin81 said:


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but he's not an ace. And the fact that he pitched like an ace in the postseason five years ago, in fact that he was historically good, does not add MPH to his FB, spin to his breaking ball, etc etc. Injuries and mileage have taken their toll on his stuff. Grit and determination go a long way, but they aren't going to take him where his stuff cannot.



This. People need to realize and accept that Bumgarner 2019 is not equivalent to Bumgarner 2012, recent hot streak notwithstanding.


Okay he might no longer be the god he was in those playoff runs and I do think advanced stats have showed some decline in his stuff. But, he's no scrub. His performance has still been very good the past few years and this year, excluding April. Look at him now, with the giants winning, he's carrying them. I think he would have the same effect on the Yankees. He's a horse and still a top half of the rotation starter
Red Sox  
nygnyy274 : 7/29/2019 12:57 pm : link
Why would the Mets trade Diaz when they gave up a Kings ransom to get him wouldn’t they want something good back for Diaz and everything I hear is the Red Sox do not have a good farm why would a team just give up a good reliever to them and get nothing back.
RE: Red Sox  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2019 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14511767 nygnyy274 said:
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Why would the Mets trade Diaz when they gave up a Kings ransom to get him wouldn’t they want something good back for Diaz and everything I hear is the Red Sox do not have a good farm why would a team just give up a good reliever to them and get nothing back.

Bumgarner wants a massive extension (his NTC)  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2019 1:02 pm : link
so that makes him almost impossible to trade for. You simply don't know what you are getting with him long term so you better win with him now. Just a massive amount of risk associated to him (that doesn't even include him moving into the AL East).
regardless of current strategy  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2019 1:03 pm : link
(win next year vs rebuild), trading Diaz would be a most awful "buy high, sell low" within 12 months.

His results haven't been good, but his FIP/xFIP are over a full run below his ERA for the season. He's still striking out a ton of guys and he's getting BABIP'd like crazy. Seems he's been hit hard AND had some pretty lousy luck, making it look completely abysmal.

He has definitely disappointed, but could easily be a 2-2.5 WAR/season guy for the next 5 years (with upside from there) and few would be surprised.
what a joke.  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2019 1:06 pm : link
@JonHeyman
Teams, trying to take advantage of Yankees’ SP need, have asked for Gleyber Torres. Not shockingly, he seems to be off limits. NYY sees possible trade chips as Garcia (but probably only for Noah), Frazier, Andujar plus others at lower levels.

There isn't even a #1 starter/ace type guy on the market who could demand Torres in a deal. Even if there was I wouldn't do it and it's highly unlikely that the Yankees would either.
I'm with those who say...  
M.S. : 7/29/2019 1:10 pm : link

...don't trade Andujar!!!

47 doubles and 27 tatters in his rookie year, and now he's only 24!

Don't do it.
RE: what a joke.  
Nine-Tails : 7/29/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14511790 Strahan91 said:
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@JonHeyman
Teams, trying to take advantage of Yankees’ SP need, have asked for Gleyber Torres. Not shockingly, he seems to be off limits. NYY sees possible trade chips as Garcia (but probably only for Noah), Frazier, Andujar plus others at lower levels.

There isn't even a #1 starter/ace type guy on the market who could demand Torres in a deal. Even if there was I wouldn't do it and it's highly unlikely that the Yankees would either.


Its so stupid. Cash probably be like sure, Saul Torres, correct?
RE: I'm with those who say...  
Nine-Tails : 7/29/2019 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14511799 M.S. said:
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...don't trade Andujar!!!

47 doubles and 27 tatters in his rookie year, and now he's only 24!

Don't do it.


It depends on the return. Hell no to guys like Boyd, Ray, Minor. Now if we're talking about an ace, by all means
This is definitely heading towards Robbie Ray/Shane Greene.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2019 1:16 pm : link
This October could be a dream for the Yankees analytics department - they can script how to get 27 outs with 7 different pitchers. It's so crazy it might just work.
RE: This is definitely heading towards Robbie Ray/Shane Greene.  
Nine-Tails : 7/29/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14511812 bceagle05 said:
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This October could be a dream for the Yankees analytics department - they can script how to get 27 outs with 7 different pitchers. It's so crazy it might just work.


I like Ray, but I see him more as an offseason type of move, as opposed to a move that puts us over the top.

Let's just keep collecting guys who throw really hard  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 1:32 pm : link
but aren't all that great - it HAS to work at some point, doesn't it?
RE: This is definitely heading towards Robbie Ray/Shane Greene.  
mfsd : 7/29/2019 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14511812 bceagle05 said:
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This October could be a dream for the Yankees analytics department - they can script how to get 27 outs with 7 different pitchers. It's so crazy it might just work.


Especially if Sevy makes it back as a short reliever, and/or Betances makes it back

Yanks may look for max 3-4 IP per start from any starter not named German, or Tanaka if he finds his good splitter
RE: Let's just keep collecting guys who throw really hard  
Nine-Tails : 7/29/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14511838 Greg from LI said:
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but aren't all that great - it HAS to work at some point, doesn't it?


At some point they're going to have to realize it's a coaching issue.
RE: RE: This is definitely heading towards Robbie Ray/Shane Greene.  
Eman11 : 7/29/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14511845 mfsd said:
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This October could be a dream for the Yankees analytics department - they can script how to get 27 outs with 7 different pitchers. It's so crazy it might just work.



Especially if Sevy makes it back as a short reliever, and/or Betances makes it back

Yanks may look for max 3-4 IP per start from any starter not named German, or Tanaka if he finds his good splitter


I think if they can't land an Ace or at worst a defininite #2 type pitcher, that plan is exactly how I see them going. Adding another reliever plus hoping to get something out of Sevy and Betances with Montgomery and Loaisiga as fallbacks.

We're probably going to see more opener type games the rest of the way. It wouldn't surprise me to see at least two a week, and maybe a 3rd depending on who makes it back and what the Yanks do before the trade deadline.
RE: RE: I do not follow AAA  
Jay in Toronto : 7/29/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14511611 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 14511605 GruningsOnTheHill said:


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so forgive the potentially stupid question:

if Deivi Garcia is lighting up AAA, why don't they call him up?



He's not lighting up AAA, he's struggling (somewhat) at AAA. He was lighting up AA. He's very young (20), he started the year at Tampa, he's on an innings limit (already past his official career high), there is no rush.


Another related naive question.

I believe Higgy (sp) said he was having problems with the AAA ball (different seams etc)

So how many different balls are there in the system?
RE: RE: RE: This is definitely heading towards Robbie Ray/Shane Greene.  
Nine-Tails : 7/29/2019 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14511854 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14511845 mfsd said:


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In comment 14511812 bceagle05 said:


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This October could be a dream for the Yankees analytics department - they can script how to get 27 outs with 7 different pitchers. It's so crazy it might just work.



Especially if Sevy makes it back as a short reliever, and/or Betances makes it back

Yanks may look for max 3-4 IP per start from any starter not named German, or Tanaka if he finds his good splitter



I think if they can't land an Ace or at worst a defininite #2 type pitcher, that plan is exactly how I see them going. Adding another reliever plus hoping to get something out of Sevy and Betances with Montgomery and Loaisiga as fallbacks.

We're probably going to see more opener type games the rest of the way. It wouldn't surprise me to see at least two a week, and maybe a 3rd depending on who makes it back and what the Yanks do before the trade deadline.


I just don't see relying on the pen day in and day out for 5 innings or more as recipe for success. If we had a solid rotation, by all means. The only guy I trust in the playoffs is Tanaka
the Torres stuff is funny  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2019 1:59 pm : link
Cashman must have fun with those calls
I think Green and Kahnle  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2019 2:05 pm : link
are definite postseason "opener" possibilities. Tanaka's postseason track record earns him a start. German's making a case for one. They may gamble on Paxton's upside - he's certainly capable of a dominant performance. I don't trust Happ or CC at all right now.

Green + Sevy could get them to the fifth inning of a playoff game, then you turn it over to the one-inning specialists at the back end. It'll be like an All-Star Game - different closers from the fifth inning on.
RE: Wood would have to be a flyer...  
RDJR : 7/29/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14511654 Dunedin81 said:
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you can't count on anything from him. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle ala McCarthy a few years back, but it's nothing more than that.


I’m a Reds fan and I can tell you he looked very good yesterday. Needs to build up the pitch count, but his stuff was very good. That said, the Reds still think they can compete in the division or for the wild-card. I don’t think so. I would trade Wood and Puig. Both are going to be free agents.
Happ is a post season long reliever/innings eater  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2019 2:22 pm : link
I don't want him starting unless he ends the season on an absolute tear.
Blue Jays beat writer says....  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 2:29 pm : link
....Stroman was less than pleased about going to the Mets.
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RE: Blue Jays beat writer says....  
Canton : 7/29/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14511930 Greg from LI said:
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....Stroman was less than pleased about going to the Mets. Link - ( New Window )


Hm..

Whom to believe, a beat writer or Marcus Stroman himself..

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NEW YORK! Where I was born. Where my heart lies. Where my family resides. Crazy excited for this part of my journey. Some things were meant to be! @Mets #HDMH


Doesn't sound like a guy nor happy to be going to the Mets. Lastly, he grew up a Met fan too.


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So let's have a secondary collection campaign  
Jay in Toronto : 7/29/2019 2:47 pm : link
to help Tanaka find his splitter!!
RE: RE: Blue Jays beat writer says....  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14511957 Canton said:
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In comment 14511930 Greg from LI said:


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....Stroman was less than pleased about going to the Mets. Link - ( New Window )



Hm..

Whom to believe, a beat writer or Marcus Stroman himself..



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NEW YORK! Where I was born. Where my heart lies. Where my family resides. Crazy excited for this part of my journey. Some things were meant to be! @Mets #HDMH



Doesn't sound like a guy nor happy to be going to the Mets. Lastly, he grew up a Met fan too.
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He just got traded to a team where he's going to spend the next 1.5 years. Do you think he's going to tweet anything negative? He's not that kind of guy. He also didn't grow up a Mets fan. That's a baby picture, he wasn't dressing himself lol. This is a direct quote:

MiLB.com: You grew up on Long Island, so I'm guessing you were a Mets fan?

Stroman: I was a Yankees fan growing up. I wasn't a diehard, but I just enjoyed going to games. I was a Derek Jeter fan -- I'm a huge Robinson Cano fan. But I have to get out of that mindset, I have to get these guys out in the near future, maybe this year. But I'm a Blue Jays fan now and that's all I care about, getting up there and producing.
RE: RE: Blue Jays beat writer says....  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14511957 Canton said:
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Doesn't sound like a guy nor happy to be going to the Mets. Lastly, he grew up a Met fan too.
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His own father said that he wanted to go to the Yankees.

Stroman's trying to put a happy face on it, but are you seriously suggesting he's glad to be headed to the suckass Mets than the Yankees?

Also, Stroman was a Yankees fan growing up, not a Mets fan. From an interview when he was in the minors:

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MiLB.com: You grew up on Long Island, so I'm guessing you were a Mets fan?

Stroman: I was a Yankees fan growing up. I wasn't a diehard, but I just enjoyed going to games. I was a Derek Jeter fan -- I'm a huge Robinson Cano fan. But I have to get out of that mindset, I have to get these guys out in the near future, maybe this year. But I'm a Blue Jays fan now and that's all I care about, getting up there and producing.

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RE: From the Mets  
81_Great_Dane : 7/29/2019 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14511514 Greg from LI said:
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They aren't going to trade anyone to the Yankees, period. The Coupons would sooner burn Citi Field to the ground than make a deal that would help the Yankees.
I also doubt they're enthusiastic about Clint Frazier. He looks to me like another good hitting/so-so fielding corner outfielder. The Mets need a toolsy, legitimate centerfielder. I don't think Frazier is that guy, and if he's got to play left or right he's just adding to an already severe logjam.
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