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YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 8:46 am
The deadline is 4:00 pm Wednesday.

Minor League baseball has just released its updated Top 30 prospects for each team, with changes based on 1st half minor league performance and the recent draft and international signings.

For the Yankees, the list remains filled with right handed starting pitching. This updated list shows 16 of the Yankees Top 30 are right handed pitchers.

On the trade front, is there any starter out there that would be an unquestionable playoff starter in October?

Should the preference be adding a very high level reliever to an already strong bullpen?

What trade chips are off limits?

Clint Frazier?
Miguel Andujar?
Deivi Garcia?
Anthony Seigler?
Estevan Florial?

What,if any, contributions can the Yankees expect this season from currently injured pitchers:

Luis Severino
Dellin Betances
Jordan Montgomery
Ben Heller
Jonathan Loaisiga
CC Sabathia

With about 55 hours to go before the deadline, what should happen?
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RE: RE: RE: Blue Jays beat writer says....  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14511965 Strahan91 said:
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That's a baby picture, he wasn't dressing himself


Seriously. There are pictures of me at ages 2-3-4 wearing Mets and Jets stuff because many of my relatives are Mets and Jets fans, and they'd give them to me as gifts.
RE: RE: RE: Blue Jays beat writer says....  
Nine-Tails : 7/29/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14511967 Greg from LI said:
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Doesn't sound like a guy nor happy to be going to the Mets. Lastly, he grew up a Met fan too.
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His own father said that he wanted to go to the Yankees.

Stroman's trying to put a happy face on it, but are you seriously suggesting he's glad to be headed to the suckass Mets than the Yankees?

Also, Stroman was a Yankees fan growing up, not a Mets fan. From an interview when he was in the minors:



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MiLB.com: You grew up on Long Island, so I'm guessing you were a Mets fan?

Stroman: I was a Yankees fan growing up. I wasn't a diehard, but I just enjoyed going to games. I was a Derek Jeter fan -- I'm a huge Robinson Cano fan. But I have to get out of that mindset, I have to get these guys out in the near future, maybe this year. But I'm a Blue Jays fan now and that's all I care about, getting up there and producing.

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Ooooooh, got'em. So you were saying Canton
RE: RE: Update from Buster Olney  
81_Great_Dane : 7/29/2019 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14511755 dpinzow said:
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Any Red Sox offer for Edwin Diaz would presumably include minor-league slugger Bobby Dalbec, who is blocked at 3b by the younger Rafael Devers, or 2018 No. 1 pick Triston Casas, in case Mets view him as 3b option. Red Sox confident they will make impact bullpen move.



Why on earth did the Mets pick up Stroman then? Why would they trade their closer (the only good arm in an atrocious pen) in addition to either Syndergaard or Wheeler. In other terms, what on earth is Brodie van Wagenen doing
We'll see in a few days, but I think he's trying to reapportion resources on a roster that makes no sense. They have no centerfielder other than Lagares, who's not a major leaguer anymore. They have three infielders playing outfield (Davis, Smith, McNeill). They have Todd Frazier blocking Davis and McNeill at 3rd, and Frazier's not part of their future.

Their shortstop has been bad in the field, their 2nd baseman has limited range, but they are leaning on their pitching as a strength of the team. A lot of pitching = defense.

They want their rotation to be their foundation but starting pitching is increasingly devalued and their bullpen is a train wreck.

In short, they have a lot of resources stacked up in the wrong place (Starting Pitcher, Corner Outfielder, 3rd base) and are short of resources in essential places (Catcher, Shortstop, Centerfield). It makes sense to trade surplus resources to rebalances those resources.

But are they a "seller" or a "buyer"? Are they trying to compete now, or acquire prospects for the future? Hard to do both at once.
the Fangraphs headline for the deal was....  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 3:02 pm : link
"Mets Trade For Stroman For Some Reason"
What's the deal with Carlos Martinez?  
adamg : 7/29/2019 3:08 pm : link
Looks like he's not starting because he had surgery, is that right? Can he start or is he purely a bullpen arm? And would he be a fit for the Yankees?

He's signed for 2 more years and then has two team option years, so he might be expensive since that's four prime years in addition to this year. And, he's still young (27) and he may not have hit his peak. Although, he's not super cheap, he's still making less than market price over these years. But the Cards might not want to part with him...

Thoughts on if he'd be a rotation or bullpen solution? Would the cost be too high? Any interest? Is he even available?
I think Ken Rosenthal said a rival GM told him that Martinez  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 3:13 pm : link
MIGHT be available, but that's it as far as I've seen. I think it's almost all just speculation.
Is there even a sniff  
dune69 : 7/29/2019 3:16 pm : link
of a Yankee rumor at this point? Cashman is either staying stealth or he just refuses to get porked.
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arcarsenal : 7/29/2019 3:17 pm : link
I brought up Martinez last week.

Sounds like the Brewers just got Lyles. Not that I think he was ever really on our radar - but that's another SP off the board.
RE: I think Ken Rosenthal said a rival GM told him that Martinez  
adamg : 7/29/2019 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14511995 Greg from LI said:
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MIGHT be available, but that's it as far as I've seen. I think it's almost all just speculation.


Eh, probably like Boyd where it'd be a huge cost to move him. At least he's a legit pitcher (unlike Boyd), but probably not worth what it'd cost us.

Thanks.
anyway, since people have mentioned Robbie Ray  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 3:17 pm : link
Why not Greinke? If the DBacks are going to be sellers, then make them an offer. There really isn't anyone better than Greinke available out there, including Syndergaard. He's pitched for a big market team, and pitched well, since all the hubbub that his anxiety issues made him a bad fit for the Yankees. I don't know why they wouldn't at least give it a shot. I'd sure as hell rather have him than Boyd or Minor.
RE: anyway, since people have mentioned Robbie Ray  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14512004 Greg from LI said:
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Why not Greinke? If the DBacks are going to be sellers, then make them an offer. There really isn't anyone better than Greinke available out there, including Syndergaard. He's pitched for a big market team, and pitched well, since all the hubbub that his anxiety issues made him a bad fit for the Yankees. I don't know why they wouldn't at least give it a shot. I'd sure as hell rather have him than Boyd or Minor.

I would love this but I don't think he'll waive his ntc for the Yankees. They may already know that he wouldn't which is why you don't hear his name come up with the Yankees. Plus the money he's owed over the next few years doesn't seem to really fit the recent Yankees MO.
RE: anyway, since people have mentioned Robbie Ray  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14512004 Greg from LI said:
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Why not Greinke? If the DBacks are going to be sellers, then make them an offer. There really isn't anyone better than Greinke available out there, including Syndergaard. He's pitched for a big market team, and pitched well, since all the hubbub that his anxiety issues made him a bad fit for the Yankees. I don't know why they wouldn't at least give it a shot. I'd sure as hell rather have him than Boyd or Minor.


would you rather have the contract, too? 2 more years @ $32M each. Also has a no trade to NYY, not to say he wouldn't waive but you might even need to throw a few bucks more.

Not my money, but safe bet that Hal isn't just going $32M higher than what he would have otherwise.
It's just two years  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 3:22 pm : link
For fuck's sake, they need to stop behaving like they're the goddamned Royals.
Yeah I think the price tag  
adamg : 7/29/2019 3:23 pm : link
puts him off the table, unfortunately.
IDK I see his affect...  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2019 3:23 pm : link
and I think Mike Mussina. Both cerebral guys, understated, like avoiding the limelight. I don't know that Greinke would struggle here as much as is thought, especially now that he's older and he wouldn't have the pressure of living up to a record deal. And he's certainly never said that he wouldn't approve a trade to NYY.
At least TRY to get the best pitcher available  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 3:23 pm : link
Don't just settle for the 2019 equivalent of Lance Lynn from last year, or more damned relievers.
I do miss the evil empire attitude  
adamg : 7/29/2019 3:23 pm : link
The moneyball attitude is kind of lame.
RE: IDK I see his affect...  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 3:25 pm : link
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and I think Mike Mussina. Both cerebral guys, understated, like avoiding the limelight. I don't know that Greinke would struggle here as much as is thought, especially now that he's older and he wouldn't have the pressure of living up to a record deal. And he's certainly never said that he wouldn't approve a trade to NYY.


Plus Greinke is now 35 and has never won a ring. The opportunity to do so with the Yankees could make them much more attractive to him now than they would have been 7 or 8 years ago.
They're not the Royals, sure...  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2019 3:29 pm : link
but they're also here because of what they developed and were able to trade to acquire. Doesn't mean they can't complement it with free agents and big-$ trade targets, but it's hard to complain that they're too cautious when that caution is the recent they're in a position to be a player or two away.
RE: Yeah I think the price tag  
Eman11 : 7/29/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14512012 adamg said:
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puts him off the table, unfortunately.


That and the fact he's said several times he doesn't want to pitch in NYC and with his anxiety issues he would have problems under the bright lights IMO.
I don't want them to solely rely on big money players  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 3:34 pm : link
But at a certain point, they have to seize the moment. This team is ready to win now if they have the starting pitching to do so. The '90s Yankees needed a David Cone. These Yankees need that kind of pitcher too.
RE: RE: Yeah I think the price tag  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14512028 Eman11 said:
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That and the fact he's said several times he doesn't want to pitch in NYC and with his anxiety issues he would have problems under the bright lights IMO.


Pretty sure he never actually said that, and he did just fine in three seasons in LA.
RE: I don't want them to solely rely on big money players  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14512032 Greg from LI said:
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But at a certain point, they have to seize the moment. This team is ready to win now if they have the starting pitching to do so. The '90s Yankees needed a David Cone. These Yankees need that kind of pitcher too.

This is where I'm at too. Especially with SP. Enough half measures.
RE: RE: I don't want them to solely rely on big money players  
adamg : 7/29/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14512042 Strahan91 said:
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But at a certain point, they have to seize the moment. This team is ready to win now if they have the starting pitching to do so. The '90s Yankees needed a David Cone. These Yankees need that kind of pitcher too.


This is where I'm at too. Especially with SP. Enough half measures.


I really hope there's some urgency in the FO to address SP. It seems odd that we didn't outbid the Mets for Stroman if we really were in on him. Of course, it's possible the Yankee tax was just too high. But, I really hope the FO is moving heaven and earth to land a good starter. And not another Happ/Lynn.
I want to see the NYY trade for Bauer  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2019 4:12 pm : link
just for Francesa's head to explode.
RE: RE: RE: Yeah I think the price tag  
Eman11 : 7/29/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14512037 Greg from LI said:
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That and the fact he's said several times he doesn't want to pitch in NYC and with his anxiety issues he would have problems under the bright lights IMO.



Pretty sure he never actually said that, and he did just fine in three seasons in LA.


Playing in LA is nowhere near as intense as playing in NYC for the Yanks. Hell, everyday living there is a lot more laid back than here. Granted they're both big cities with a lot of people but the similarities end there IMO.
Why  
mitch300 : 7/29/2019 4:28 pm : link
Should the Yankees make a trade for a starting pitcher, when all that is out there that is attainable is not much better than what we already have. Plus having to give up prospects.
Cashman  
PaulN : 7/29/2019 4:29 pm : link
Has been great, but he went out and made that trade to land Stanton and tie up all that money on a player they did not need at all. So why be relunctant to trade Frazier? He spent the money to add Encarnacion, yet would not pony up for Keuchel, and that was less money. Then he does not sign Corbin this off season, he signs Haap. If they come up short again, after the putrid display by the starters last post season and the bold off season statement that they need to upgrade the starters, he must be held accountable. Lets not pretend Severino has ever stepped up in the post season either. If it is Rothchild that pays for it, so be it. The problem is the player evaluation or the development, but there is an issue.
RE: Cashman  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14512093 PaulN said:
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Has been great, but he went out and made that trade to land Stanton and tie up all that money on a player they did not need at all. So why be relunctant to trade Frazier? He spent the money to add Encarnacion, yet would not pony up for Keuchel, and that was less money. Then he does not sign Corbin this off season, he signs Haap. If they come up short again, after the putrid display by the starters last post season and the bold off season statement that they need to upgrade the starters, he must be held accountable. Lets not pretend Severino has ever stepped up in the post season either. If it is Rothchild that pays for it, so be it. The problem is the player evaluation or the development, but there is an issue.

The Yankees are paying EE less than what they offered Keuchel. I'm also fairly sure they're not reluctant to trade Frazier.
Haap?  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 4:33 pm : link
Is there some Dutch pitcher I'm unaware of?
RE: RE: RE: My 2020  
section125 : 7/29/2019 4:37 pm : link
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Yankees team would include Urshela and Andujar.

And Stanton would be the everyday left fielder.



Here's the million dollar question as to whether they move Andujar or not. Are they resigning Didi? (They should try to do so right after the trade deadline-he's more than proven healthy) If so,you have the same situation you have now-4 infielders for 3 (3 1/2 if you count DJL at 1B) & unless Andujar becomes your DH/OF,there's a glut! Personally,I want to keep Andujar but if they need to use him for a SP that is truly a #1/2 (Damn if I know who that is but that's Cash's job!),then you'd have to move him!



If think they'll resign Didi but I don't think it'll Impact Andujar. They'll make it work very similar to how they told DJ they'd get him his AB's. I see them rotating all those guys around the IF to get them AB's. They'll be room at DH too especially with Stanton playing a lot of LF, and I don't expect EE to be back.

They love resting guys and I think this year has proven it works, plus they'd be covering themselves for injury or if Gio is just having a one off type year. I don't think he is but they'll find room for talent and make it work.


Thought Didi signed a 2 year deal???
nope  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 4:38 pm : link
he's a free agent after this seasons
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arcarsenal : 7/29/2019 4:38 pm : link
sec... Didi is a FA after this season.

He'll be back, though. He's tailor made for the Bronx. They love him, he loves being here. They'll extend him.
I don't think there's a chance in hell  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2019 4:40 pm : link
Cash doesn't re-sign Didi. And doing so keeps us flexible in the IF when it comes to trading players in future seasons.
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Eman11 : 7/29/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14512103 arcarsenal said:
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sec... Didi is a FA after this season.

He'll be back, though. He's tailor made for the Bronx. They love him, he loves being here. They'll extend him.


Couldn't agree more. A perfect fit in every way.

He's everything the Yanks could ask for or want in a player both on the field and off. Smart, great character, teammates love him, lefty hitter with some power, excellent glove and arm, and a clutch player too who can handle and actually thrives in NYC.
RE: RE: RE: Yeah I think the price tag  
section125 : 7/29/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14512037 Greg from LI said:
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That and the fact he's said several times he doesn't want to pitch in NYC and with his anxiety issues he would have problems under the bright lights IMO.



Pretty sure he never actually said that, and he did just fine in three seasons in LA.


Yeah, I'm pretty certain he did turn down the Yanks and said he did not want to pitch for them.
Ooops, thought they signed him to two years even  
section125 : 7/29/2019 4:51 pm : link
after the arm surgery last October.

There is no way in God's green Earth he is not signed by the Yanks. He'll be the 1st guy they sign.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Yeah I think the price tag  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 5:08 pm : link
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Yeah, I'm pretty certain he did turn down the Yanks and said he did not want to pitch for them.


That's not how it happened. Greinke never said publicly he wouldn't play for the Yankees, nor did he tell the Yankees that directly. In fact, he actually told Cashman during the 2010-11 offseason that he wanted to win and would be fine with coming to the Yankees. However, the rumor was that Greinke told other people he didn't want to pitch in NY, and Cashman ultimately decided there was too much risk and they never pursued him.
Greinke might be an Ed Whitson  
xman : 7/29/2019 5:12 pm : link
can't pitch in the big city. Wasn't he on meds for anxiety specifically for this reason?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Yeah I think the price tag  
Eman11 : 7/29/2019 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14512148 Greg from LI said:
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Yeah, I'm pretty certain he did turn down the Yanks and said he did not want to pitch for them.



That's not how it happened. Greinke never said publicly he wouldn't play for the Yankees, nor did he tell the Yankees that directly. In fact, he actually told Cashman during the 2010-11 offseason that he wanted to win and would be fine with coming to the Yankees. However, the rumor was that Greinke told other people he didn't want to pitch in NY, and Cashman ultimately decided there was too much risk and they never pursued him.


He's also been quoted saying he'd play for the worst team in the game if they offered him the most money.

I guess he's being honest and what most of us would do if it was significantly more, but most fans and I'd think management doesnt want to hear that kind of talk.

They want to hear guys put winning first.
here's the thing though - Cashman didn't reach out to him  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2019 5:19 pm : link
Greinke was the one who asked to meet with Cashman.

There is no reason not to at least look into it, not when the alternative is guys like Boyd and Minor.
RE: Greinke might be an Ed Whitson  
Stu11 : 7/29/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14512155 xman said:
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can't pitch in the big city. Wasn't he on meds for anxiety specifically for this reason?

Yea I mean it took pitching in that small hick town LOS ANGELES for him to succeed. I'm with Greg here. We are the Yankees. Going to SD in a few weeks and want to take the family to Petco. I looked up the tickets, $30 or so to sit 6 rows off the field down the 1b line. Those same seats at YS go for $300. I love the kids but how about we start spending like we're the fucking Yankees. You don't go to the super market and pay for Filet Minot so you can take home beef chuck. Is 2 years at 32 mill/per a risk? sure it is, but I agree with Greg that he's the best most atainable on the market. Can he handle NY? Well if he pitches well then they'll be no pressure. If he pitches like shit? then I don't give a fuck how he handles it. Its no help to have a guy handle pitching like shit well because they're still pitching like shit no matter what.
If this report is true  
YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 8:15 pm : link
and that the Pirates will consider trading Felipe Vazquez, then lets hope the Yankees get involved with a strong offer. (article attached)

Clearly one of the top closers in baseball. Only 28, and under a long term reasonable contract.

As a said in a thread last week, if ANY contender can trade for Felipe Vazquez, it makes a significant difference in the 2019 playoffs. Probably more than any other player trade.

With the Yankees solid chances of bringing a WS back to NY this year, the chances of Chapman opting out at the end of the year, and Betances not signed long term, this is a move that should be strongly considered. The price will be high, but the Yankees have the assets to do it.
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If you were the 2019 manager of the Yankees  
arniefez : 7/29/2019 8:20 pm : link
and planned on being the manager for the next 3-5 years who would you rather have on the team based on your core players.

Gleyber Torres or Amir Garrett and Luis Castillo?
I would  
YANKEE28 : 7/29/2019 8:23 pm : link
keep Gleyber Torres.
RE: RE: Greinke might be an Ed Whitson  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2019 8:26 pm : link
In comment 14512168 Stu11 said:
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can't pitch in the big city. Wasn't he on meds for anxiety specifically for this reason?


Yea I mean it took pitching in that small hick town LOS ANGELES for him to succeed. I'm with Greg here. We are the Yankees. Going to SD in a few weeks and want to take the family to Petco. I looked up the tickets, $30 or so to sit 6 rows off the field down the 1b line. Those same seats at YS go for $300. I love the kids but how about we start spending like we're the fucking Yankees. You don't go to the super market and pay for Filet Minot so you can take home beef chuck. Is 2 years at 32 mill/per a risk? sure it is, but I agree with Greg that he's the best most atainable on the market. Can he handle NY? Well if he pitches well then they'll be no pressure. If he pitches like shit? then I don't give a fuck how he handles it. Its no help to have a guy handle pitching like shit well because they're still pitching like shit no matter what.

Sherman just wrote this in an article about Yankees’ pessimism about getting a deal done for an impact starter:
“He is owed $64 million for 2020-21 and has a no-trade clause and someone who knows him said, “no shot he would accept the Yankees.” It is uncertain if there is a sweet spot where he would go and the team would be able to afford him. My only guess is the Cardinals if they are able to, say, include the two years at $29 million owed Dexter Fowler to mitigate some of Greinke’s pact.”
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YANKEE28  
arniefez : 7/29/2019 8:29 pm : link
So will the Yankees. I wouldn't. He's redundant. They would miss him as much as they Andujar and Stanton this year.
RE: YANKEE28  
BigBlueShock : 7/29/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14512324 arniefez said:
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So will the Yankees. I wouldn't. He's redundant. They would miss him as much as they Andujar and Stanton this year.

That’s just stupid. Though I’m not surprised. Gleyber Torres has been one of the main reasons they’ve been able to withstand losing those guys. On the other hand, the Reds still suck WITH those guys you mentioned.
RE: YANKEE28  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14512324 arniefez said:
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So will the Yankees. I wouldn't. He's redundant. They would miss him as much as they Andujar and Stanton this year.


Riiiight, haha. And no mention of his age and future upside either, huh?

We don’t miss Andujar much because DJLM is a better player. We don’t miss Stanton much because guy like Tauchman are playing well above their talent level right now.

I think you are way, way off.
MLB just reported Yankees scouts are at the Blue Jays/Royals game  
adamg : 7/29/2019 8:39 pm : link
To check out RP Ken Giles (1.54 ERA this year) and CF Billy Hamilton (bench piece).

Vasquez might be the prize of the available RPs but Giles wouldn't be a bad add either.
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