NFT: Yankees trade deadline discussion

Tim Brown
@TBrownYahoo
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Source says Giants and Astros "engaged" on Bumgarner. Amount of traction unclear.

Park and Holder are both languishing at AA, not building any additional value. Either they need to be dealt or some of the middle IF blocking them at AAA (Valeric, Katoh, Wade) need to. They basically losing value the longer they sit at AA.

In comment 14512852 YANKEE28 said:

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to Heyman on the radio. He was asked if he was the Yankees, would he be willing to give up Hicks, Frazier, and Garcia for Syndergaard. He thought about it and then said YES, though he said he would be concerned about the Yankees centerfield position. You have got to be kidding. Glad he is not running the Yankees. These guys are more about clicks, then reality.

A pipedream, but YES.

In comment 14512906 Blue Ninja said:

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6th best ERA, 2nd best FIP since his debut in 2015. He's definitely the guy you give up a lot for.

That's swell. What is it since he missed most of 2017 with an injury?

In comment 14512954 Strahan91 said:

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Tim Brown @TBrownYahoo · 2m Source says Giants and Astros "engaged" on Bumgarner. Amount of traction unclear.

you gotta fucking be kidding me.

He's still scheduled to pitch.

just hope it happens before the Yankees make a move. That pretty much guarantees them a WS birth and if that’s the case, save our assets for the offseason.

Per Sherman

In comment 14512957 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14512906 Blue Ninja said: Quote: 6th best ERA, 2nd best FIP since his debut in 2015. He's definitely the guy you give up a lot for. That's swell. What is it since he missed most of 2017 with an injury?

Off the injury in 2017, so in 2018: 3.03 ERA and 2.81 FIP, which is good for 20th best and 8th best respectively.

This year: 4.33 ERA and 3.65 FIP

He's not having a great year this year, but whatever. He has the age, stuff and track record to go right back to what he normally is. The injury hasn't hampered him. Just an off year; an anomaly based on his track record.

Houston would return MadBum to Cy Young-level? They turned Charlie Morton into a stud.

I still think Cashman is going to settle for Ray.

In comment 14512979 Matt in SGS said:

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I still think Cashman is going to settle for Ray.

I think he gets Ray + one of Wheeler/Roark.

but he's a fly ball pitcher used to cavernous parks, he's not what he was a few years ago, and his NTC list includes NYY. Before you stage the guillotine for Brian Cashman, keep in mind that no matter what he does MadBum can still say no.

In comment 14512983 Dunedin81 said:

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but he's a fly ball pitcher used to cavernous parks, he's not what he was a few years ago, and his NTC list includes NYY. Before you stage the guillotine for Brian Cashman, keep in mind that no matter what he does MadBum can still say no.

No not killing Cash, he can't make him come to NY but I'm sorry if Houston picks him up he probably doesn't give up an earned run the rest of the season lol...

In comment 14512976 bceagle05 said:

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Houston would return MadBum to Cy Young-level? They turned Charlie Morton into a stud.

Look what they've done to Wade Fucking Miley

but as far as the whole Houston thing goes, I'd say he probably gets less of a Houston bump than the average guy because I don't see him diving head-first into the machines and analytics and all that jazz. By most counts hes just an old school hoss who wants the ball every 5th day and not a whole lot more than that.

if the Astros get Madison, Yanks just chill it this year and do the best they can with what they have and load up this offseason.

...there's no longer any such thing as "loading up" for the Yankees. An offseason like 2008-09 will never happen again.

In comment 14512988 CromartiesKid21 said:

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In comment 14512976 bceagle05 said: Quote: Houston would return MadBum to Cy Young-level? They turned Charlie Morton into a stud. Look what they've done to Wade Fucking Miley

Wade Miley last year with the brewers 2.57 era, 3.59 FIP, Astros are amazing at what they do but no credit from me for Miley.

The Astros aren't trading Kyle Tucker for a rental.

No way Cashman just sits on this roster and doesn't do anything.

Wheeler to Houston was reportedly close this morning - maybe Houston is trying to gain a little leverage in negotiations. Not that you need much with BVW.

Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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9m
Hearing Astros more on Bauer than Bumgarner

to HOU doesn't bother me, Bauer to the Astros REALLY would suck. a) he's the perfect analytics/trackman rat for what they do. Match made in heaven. b) under control for next year, too.

Bauer to HOU would be brutal.

I have major worries about beating them in a series as it is now... them with Bauer and we just can't match up with their pitching.

In comment 14512994 Greg from LI said:

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...there's no longer any such thing as "loading up" for the Yankees. An offseason like 2008-09 will never happen again.

Agreed, that was a confluence of opening a new Stadium and George was still alive (though severely limited after his series of strokes) and they wanted to have the Yankees win one more title with him alive.

But the Yankees will always consider a salary dump if some costs are defrayed (ie- Stanton). As was joked at the time of his signing, I look forward to Manny Machado getting traded to the Yankees from San Diego in 2 more years.

So that makes sense with a guy like Tucker as a starting point.

In comment 14513009 bigbluehoya said:

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to HOU doesn't bother me, Bauer to the Astros REALLY would suck. a) he's the perfect analytics/trackman rat for what they do. Match made in heaven. b) under control for next year, too.

He is but there's also not going to be the same steep curve because he's already headlong into analytics, and while the Stros' proprietary stuff is great Bauer has the Indians stuff (which is solid) and I'm sure he has proprietary stuff of his own that he either pays for or gets for repping Driveline.

In comment 14513023 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 14513009 bigbluehoya said: Quote: to HOU doesn't bother me, Bauer to the Astros REALLY would suck. a) he's the perfect analytics/trackman rat for what they do. Match made in heaven. b) under control for next year, too. He is but there's also not going to be the same steep curve because he's already headlong into analytics, and while the Stros' proprietary stuff is great Bauer has the Indians stuff (which is solid) and I'm sure he has proprietary stuff of his own that he either pays for or gets for repping Driveline.

Are you sure about that? When we played them Bauer seems to not be following the stats on which pitches are most effective. Thjs is probably his worst season to date. He is all over the place this year. His attitide also suggests that he does things his own way. I don't have any inside information or anything but that is what I see out of him.

In comment 14513023 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 14513009 bigbluehoya said: Quote: to HOU doesn't bother me, Bauer to the Astros REALLY would suck. a) he's the perfect analytics/trackman rat for what they do. Match made in heaven. b) under control for next year, too. He is but there's also not going to be the same steep curve because he's already headlong into analytics, and while the Stros' proprietary stuff is great Bauer has the Indians stuff (which is solid) and I'm sure he has proprietary stuff of his own that he either pays for or gets for repping Driveline.

Multiple ways to look at it I guess.

Thoughtful and innovative player + thoughtful and innovate coaching staff

scares me more than

potentially change-resistant player + thoughtful and innovative coaching staff

at the end of the day, baseless speculation on my part.

In comment 14513024 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14513023 Dunedin81 said: Quote: In comment 14513009 bigbluehoya said: Quote: to HOU doesn't bother me, Bauer to the Astros REALLY would suck. a) he's the perfect analytics/trackman rat for what they do. Match made in heaven. b) under control for next year, too. He is but there's also not going to be the same steep curve because he's already headlong into analytics, and while the Stros' proprietary stuff is great Bauer has the Indians stuff (which is solid) and I'm sure he has proprietary stuff of his own that he either pays for or gets for repping Driveline. Are you sure about that? When we played them Bauer seems to not be following the stats on which pitches are most effective. Thjs is probably his worst season to date. He is all over the place this year. His attitide also suggests that he does things his own way. I don't have any inside information or anything but that is what I see out of him.

Bauer has always been one of the most progressive starters in baseball when it comes to analytics. He has been the biggest ambassador for Driveline for years. And this is his 2nd best season to date, certainly a step back from last year and inconsistent but still with sustained stretches of ace or ace-like pitching

Basically what I am saying is that he is doing his own thing with it as opposed to what the team may want or his info is focusing on different info. It was weird to see him throwing pitches more often that he had less success with. I also saw a statistic the other day that he has great numbers outside the AL Central thks year but within the division he has been brutal.

In comment 14513059 robbieballs2003 said:

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Basically what I am saying is that he is doing his own thing with it as opposed to what the team may want or his info is focusing on different info. It was weird to see him throwing pitches more often that he had less success with. I also saw a statistic the other day that he has great numbers outside the AL Central thks year but within the division he has been brutal.

It's possible, and it's also possible he trusts his own understanding of the data more than the Indians FO. If that's the case, he may not be any more receptive to Houston coaching than he was to Cleveland's.

Braves and A’s join Yankees with interest in Tanner Roark


Yuck.

Roark is roughly a league average starter. He's going to give you 5-6 IP a start and keep you competitive most nights. He's probably not a postseason pitcher, but he would help for the next two months.

In comment 14513083 Dunedin81 said:

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Roark is roughly a league average starter. He's going to give you 5-6 IP a start and keep you competitive most nights. He's probably not a postseason pitcher, but he would help for the next two months.

you're right, good innings eater. Was just hoping for higher end names. Let's see what Cash does.

In comment 14513083 Dunedin81 said:

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Roark is roughly a league average starter. He's going to give you 5-6 IP a start and keep you competitive most nights. He's probably not a postseason pitcher, but he would help for the next two months.

I think Roark in the AL East would be a complete disaster. He’s no better than what they already have and he’s a FA after this season. He really makes no sense. He’s the complete opposite of what the Yankees need. He probably wouldn’t cost much but I’d rather do nothing than give up pieces for Roark

In comment 14513113 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 14513083 Dunedin81 said: Quote: Roark is roughly a league average starter. He's going to give you 5-6 IP a start and keep you competitive most nights. He's probably not a postseason pitcher, but he would help for the next two months. I think Roark in the AL East would be a complete disaster. He’s no better than what they already have and he’s a FA after this season. He really makes no sense. He’s the complete opposite of what the Yankees need. He probably wouldn’t cost much but I’d rather do nothing than give up pieces for Roark

This would be doubling down on the same strategy as last year which clearly paid off.../s Insanity is...

there was a report than Ken Giles is suffering from elbow soreness, got a cortisone shot, is unlikely to pitch before the deadline, and that moving him is also unlikely.

In comment 14513118 adamg said:

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In comment 14513113 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 14513083 Dunedin81 said: Quote: Roark is roughly a league average starter. He's going to give you 5-6 IP a start and keep you competitive most nights. He's probably not a postseason pitcher, but he would help for the next two months. I think Roark in the AL East would be a complete disaster. He’s no better than what they already have and he’s a FA after this season. He really makes no sense. He’s the complete opposite of what the Yankees need. He probably wouldn’t cost much but I’d rather do nothing than give up pieces for Roark This would be doubling down on the same strategy as last year which clearly paid off.../s Insanity is...

We still need to get to the playoffs in one piece, and preferably with the ability to give CC and probably Paxton some rest. Bauer, Bumgarner, even Ray would all be preferable, but if the choice is Roark for a song (and that's what it would be - look at the return for Jason Vargas) and nothing I'll take Roark.

(Don't agree with BBS there.) But, it would be among the least inspiring moves they could make. Especially seeing how last year's equivalent moves didn't work out.

Gardner said he thinks he'll be ready by Friday when he's eligible to come off of the DL.

DJLM said he tried to talk his way into the lineup today. Didn't work but sounds like he's just a day or two away.

The Yankees can only make moves that are available to them.

I'm seriously doubting Bumgarner being available at this point - and if he's not available, he's not available.

CLE is reportedly tempted to deal Bauer and are surely at least taking calls to get a temp check, but there's no guarantee they decide to deal him - and if they do, there are fit issues which could potentially surface. We've been through all of that already.

The Mets may or may not move Syndergaard and/or Wheeler; but what we do know is that they are extremely averse to dealing with NYY and actually are more worried about seeing one of their guys in a WS in the Bronx than take the best offer out there to make their own team better. There's nothing the Yankees can do about that.

It leaves Cashman with very limited options.

Avila's ask on Boyd was absolutely absurd the first time. So, for us to deal with them at all, that price is going to have to come down quite a bit.

That leaves you with guys like Robbie Ray and Tanner Roark. They're not on the same tier - I'd prefer Ray (who will also cost more), but it also wouldn't be horrible to add Roark.

Acquiring a starter is almost as much for the bullpen as it is for the rotation.

I think the hard deadline hurts us this year because so many teams are still undecided. The benefit to the old structure was that as teams fell out of it, they could then make players available post-deadline. Which is how HOU got Verlander to begin with.

Anyway, I just get the impression that fans are growing frustrated with Cashman when it's not necessarily warranted or fair. The deadline is tomorrow - we're going to do something. But we can't just make moves to make moves. They've got to make sense.

We'll see what the move(s) are soon enough.

no more half measures.

In comment 14513156 Heisenberg said:

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no more half measures.

Who among the available pitchers is an ace though? Bauer on his best day. Bumgarner at this point? Not really. Boyd? Nope. Ray? Nope.

the only thing negative to ever say about Cash is that he has bungled chances to acquire an ace or even a #2 type starter, whether through free agency or trade.

In comment 14513156 Heisenberg said:

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no more half measures.

This is what I mean.

Brian Cashman can't just make someone appear out of thin air at a reasonable price.

Who is this ace you want?

he had some bad luck with Sonny Gray and now seemingly so with Paxton.

Paxton was expected to be at least a #2 type starter and until spring training they didn't know they'd be without Severino for most of (if not all) of the season. If things had worked out as they should have, those are your 1-2 guys right there. Happ was a bit of a risk but had pitched well last year, so there were reasons to think he'd be solid this year.

It's just that nothing, NOTHING went according to plan with the rotation, not that it was necessarily a terrible plan. I suppose you can ding them for not really pursuing Keuchel, but I honestly question just how effective Keuchel would have been in the ALE.

In comment 14513158 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 14513156 Heisenberg said: Quote: no more half measures. Who among the available pitchers is an ace though? Bauer on his best day. Bumgarner at this point? Not really. Boyd? Nope. Ray? Nope.

I would think that only Bauer MadBum, and Syndergaard would be huge upgrades and would be worth trading for at this point.