Shortly after the coaches pulled the plug on the first-team offense’s drive, Jones followed up his nice rollout completion with arguably his best throw of the summer.
Paul Perkins ran an extended wheel-route deep down the sideline and Jones stepped up in the pocket and rifled the ball approximately 50 yards downfield to the running back for a touchdown. It was a beautiful pass and yet another example of Jones’ arm-talent on the deep ball, which has been evident and better than expected ever since his arrival at this spring’s rookie camp. |
There's no middle ground. Taking issue with football decisions seems like it's become synonymous with being a 'hater'.
Exactly. That's the type of thing a poster like uconn4523 is. He doesn't mind nutjobs like bigblueshock ripping into "complainers" such as me because posters like uconn4523 only want to read positive posts. It's all about living in their world. If you aren't "drinking the koolaid" then you MUST BE "belligerent and miserable."
what you'll find here are certain types of posters that are the most positive (drink the koolaid) are more likely that the complainers to insult the most and the more close-minded. Not all ofc.
But you can tell. You read posts from any poster that complains-- there is a "certain pack" of posters who feels obliged to eventually hold themselves on a superior moral ground or insult the complainer. In this case, uconn4523 assumes he and his koolaid drinkers are "above it all." Anyone who complains MUST BE miserable because they aren't drinking the koolaid like him and some nutjobs like bigblueshock.
I know there is one poster who posts a lot -- it might be one of the "bill"s" who has stated he feels this team is a super bowl contender. And was barely challenged on it - though he was a little - if I remember correctly.
Second place is first loser.
So do the irrational ones who don’t know shit about football but claim to know more than Hall of Famers.
I'll take the over.
I don't want to turn this into a callout thread since people hate those, but it's a regular poster.
So he's on the boom or bust clock from the get-go.
If that leads to more scrutiny of reports, so be it...
Hate this take so much lol. Bravo.
So if the giants are winning 2-3 years from now and jones is “playing well” but not insanely well you’re gonna be going on and on along with every other pot stirrer that Jones wasn’t worth the pick. Never mind that the giants are winning with a young qb who is building to something, it won’t be fucking good enough unless jones is Peyton Manning redux. And even that won’t be good enough until he wins the super bowl, because only the qb can win a super bowl as we all know by now.
Nonsense. Eli went through the same bullshit early on. Now it’s even worse because fans and media have to over analyze QBs even more. And jones??? Oh my god he was the SIXTH pick!!! What?? Sixth picks have been sucking ass for years there’s a HUGE bust rate at six. And never mind that the giants are one of the few teams that didn’t have to trade up for the qb! Nope! Never mind that. Let’s just focus on SIXTH for the next ten years. Can’t wait.
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I don't want to turn this into a callout thread since people hate those, but it's a regular poster.
Was it me? If not I’ll say right here that I can see them winning 9.
Not sure why you think winning is a bad thing but or hope they don’t, but I’m happy to take the pro- side for this team.
But you said the following:
"So bring on the Kool aide, beats being miserable."
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The example I gave you from bigblueshock was someone "on the koolaid" and "he is miserable." The dude can't stop wiht the insults or cussing.
You can read on this site where near most of the insults come from. They come from the "koolaid posters."
Then they live in a fantasy of categorizing those of us that are negative as "miserable." Are posters who complain "miserable?"
And not only do the koolaid posters throw insults. Not only do they categorize complainers as "miserable." They make things up like saying "complainers would rather be right than watch the GMEN win."
Just saying it's both ways. You don't have to drink the koolaid and still not be miserable. The guy bigblueshock was nuts. He's one of your koolaid guys-- yet I'm belligerent? I thought it was funny how he went after me because he was so pissed at me. But Im belligerent cuz I don't drink the koolaid. I said it was funny his insults cuz he gets so upset. Further, most of the insults to others on here come from the koolaid type posters vs the complainers. But yeah let's all be koolaid drinkers. Yeah okay.
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I do. So what's the big deal? I've also said if he wins I'll change my opinion to him from being a hater - I'll call him "cool and charismatic."
You forgot to post that? Slipped your mind, did it?
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I don't want to turn this into a callout thread since people hate those, but it's a regular poster.
Was it me? If not I’ll say right here that I can see them winning 9.
Not sure why you think winning is a bad thing but or hope they don’t, but I’m happy to take the pro- side for this team.
topten wasn't slamming you. Read the post from Britt in VA (who posted on this thread on 8/3 at 5:11PM on this very thread. Britt didn't believe that there were posters/fans like you it appears. Ask him.
You're shocked that a team coming off 11 wins and a playoff berth had posters predicting making the playoffs the following year?
The nerve of them.....
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There were some folks here who picked us to go to the playoffs in 2017 and 2018; and well, they couldn't have been anymore wrong if they tried.
You're shocked that a team coming off 11 wins and a playoff berth had posters predicting making the playoffs the following year?
The nerve of them.....
Considering how awful the offense was in 2016 and the fact that the defense carried that team all year long?
Not at all.
You know for all the shit the Giants get for their analytics department they invested a ton into their secondary, which is where the analytics say you should be investing as opposed to pash rush.
I'm very excited about Ballentine. Just from the shitty clips of him I've seen the guy is a plus plus athlete with a physical streak. How this guy slipped through the college recruiting cracks I have no idea. Love was a great pick and as soon as we made it I was seeing our future FS, I can't ever remember the last time we had a plus player there. Finding guys that need to make position changes in the draft is a great way to find value.
And then in the 2017 offseason the front office decided to give it another go with Flowers & that ridiculous oline and another year of immobile Eli. Once all the receivers were injured the season was over.
Did someone have a view the offense was good in 2016?
Just curious -- why did you ask the poster toptenhammer for names in his post when he stated there were some who believed GMEn we at least a 9 win team?
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It's not unreasonable. Any team is capable of having a few balls bounce their way and winning 9 games. Any year. It's not ludicrous.
Just curious -- why did you ask the poster toptenhammer for names in his post when he stated there were some who believed GMEn we at least a 9 win team?
Because I was wondering whether that was hyperbole or an arbitrary number he was using to make a point or whether there were a bunch of posters going around saying that this is a 9 win team "minimum" because it's not a sentiment I've seen often here.
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It's not unreasonable. Any team is capable of having a few balls bounce their way and winning 9 games. Any year. It's not ludicrous.
Just curious -- why did you ask the poster toptenhammer for names in his post when he stated there were some who believed GMEn we at least a 9 win team?
Because I was wondering whether that was hyperbole or an arbitrary number he was using to make a point or whether there were a bunch of posters going around saying that this is a 9 win team "minimum" because it's not a sentiment I've seen often here.
well whatever my friend. I don't understand why'd you'd ask it if you felt anyone that thinks 9 wins is no big deal. The word "minimum" got you "that" inquisitive to ask. -- Okay.
...minimum.
Any more questions?!
Some of you are relentlessly daft!
Please try and enjoy yourselves.
but its hard to hell with all the shit getting flung around.
It really does boil down to that. Except for a couple of dominant teams every year, the line is pretty razor thin between 8 wins and 10 wins, making the playoffs or not, for a lot of teams.
but its hard to hell with all the shit getting flung around.
Geez. A lot of people playing the victim here. My heart is melting.
but its hard to hell with all the shit getting flung around.
And I don't think that's the case at all (not attacking you, just that perception). Plenty of posters I respect don't think the Giants will be very good this year. There is a stark difference between not thinking the Giants will be good and being absolutely miserable about every single facet of the franchise.
I've had great debates on the value of Barkley, the job DG has done, and what's on tap at QB post-Eli (and when post-Eli should be) - they are usually great discussions that aren't belligerent until certain posters join the party.
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that if you are not very optimistic, i.e. predicting 9+ wins this year, that you get attacked around here.
but its hard to hell with all the shit getting flung around.
And I don't think that's the case at all (not attacking you, just that perception). Plenty of posters I respect don't think the Giants will be very good this year. There is a stark difference between not thinking the Giants will be good and being absolutely miserable about every single facet of the franchise.
I've had great debates on the value of Barkley, the job DG has done, and what's on tap at QB post-Eli (and when post-Eli should be) - they are usually great discussions that aren't belligerent until certain posters join the party.
I agree, good convos with opposing view points do happen, but they are pretty rare.
Too often they get derailed by shit flingers. Those shit flingers are both in the optimist and negative camp.
I'll that add I'm not immune from tossing a turd from time to time
Sure I antagonize certain posters who probably fall in the positive camp (or stated another way, enjoy attacking the negative camp)
But I believe my posts that actually discuss the football team are pretty measured. You wont find posts from me saying the sky is falling or calling for people to be fired.
but its hard to hell with all the shit getting flung around.
That would be a massive over-exaggeration if anyone were to think that. Several times on here a poster has created a thread asking what other fans think in terms of number of wins. I can't recall anyone getting slaughtered predicting 9 wins.
as others said - not a big deal. toptenhammer mentioned some posters said minimum 9 wins - britt asked who - names were provided and now more is added. I still think it an odd question from britt wanting names for such a minor statement toptenhamer said but whatever. That's that.
You see please don't take offense -- I think posters like you are also relentless but with positive. If not you -- but "many" are. Further, Bigbueshock says I respond on every post. Not even close. And when I respond-- who do you think I'm usually responding to? Much of it is because several positives have come out and I'm offering balance or attacks on the negative type of posters.
Then I get trashed as being "miserable and belligerent." I'm offering a counter - which is a minor pov on here. That's so bad? SO what if I'm all negative. Most posts on here are positive. Don't let my negative set you off.
Hey for example i have said on here many times I'm on board big time with SB pick if they get him an OL and QB. I have further said I'd be extremely pumped if many on here are right about Jones and the OL. I've said "I hope they are right." I'll say again -- I'm psyched at the possibilities. -- Yet all my posts are all negative???? I've said above positive many times.
Bill all I ask is -- notice when I reply a lot of times it's been some type of "bait' from another poster who slams the negative poster in some manner. For example, I can't imagine anyone that is a Giants fan that doesn't want his team to win vs being right on here. There is the absurd point sometimes made from the positive posters that some negative posters that are Giants fans would rather be right claim it on this site and watch the giants lose than watch them win. DO you know how crazy that is?????????????? I'm a fan who thinks we're 6-10 type team -- how am I supposed to reply to that when it is so what I feel out-of-touch with reality? Instead of slamming me -- ask why that poster(s) wants to put that type of stuff out there anyways. No Giant fan wants to see GMen lose vs being right on here. IMO it's silly.
Anyways in regards ot my negativity I rarely if ever create a negative thread. Though i may have in the past but it would have been a long time ago, but I dont think so anyways. It is usually after several positive posts will I chime in. IS it wrong if there are several positive for me to add a negative? Or when "baited" as an example when someone says us negative fans are miserable or want their teams to lose or whatever- is it wrong for me to chime in?
But his post on another thread called “PFF: How did Jones Go Sixth Overall?” said the following:
“I'm willing to bet the same people who say "who cares" are the same people who say "who cares it's only practice" when journalists, coaches, or analysts praise Jones' performance. Of course they would be the first ones to bash the Giants for taking Jones if he was struggling often in practice.”
This post is a bait post for any negative poster to reply. It’s not a bad post at all. But it’s “bait” for negative posters to reply, correct?
If anyone that is positive sends these types of posts – you are probably going to get a negative poster to reply. I’m sure Jay means what he said but he is all but inviting a counter reply. Someone else counter-replied him in this instance. But these are the type of posts I’ll reply to as well.
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But again I am excited about Barkley. Just like all of Giants fans we all know if that OL is fixed and Jones becomes a good QB for the future, we're going to have one awesome offensive attack.
But his post on another thread called “PFF: How did Jones Go Sixth Overall?” said the following:
“I'm willing to bet the same people who say "who cares" are the same people who say "who cares it's only practice" when journalists, coaches, or analysts praise Jones' performance. Of course they would be the first ones to bash the Giants for taking Jones if he was struggling often in practice.”
This post is a bait post for any negative poster to reply. It’s not a bad post at all. But it’s “bait” for negative posters to reply, correct?
If anyone that is positive sends these types of posts – you are probably going to get a negative poster to reply. I’m sure Jay means what he said but he is all but inviting a counter reply. Someone else counter-replied him in this instance. But these are the type of posts I’ll reply to as well.
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But again I am excited about Barkley. Just like all of Giants fans we all know if that OL is fixed and Jones becomes a good QB for the future, we're going to have one awesome offensive attack.
Bait or not but considering how consistently negative and unwilling to give DG or anyone on the Giants credit for anything and how enthusiastically these same people are there to bash DG and the team when they do poorly to prove themselves right, he's 100% on the money. Maybe instead of the "woe is me" persecution complex you can look internally and figure out why people are put off by one sided negativity and are motivated to make posts like that.
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Here is another example BillL from a poster “Jay on the Island.” I’ve learned from back and forths the guy is a gentleman. We’re on opposite sides one time he ripped into me and then we had some back and forths but last time we went back and forth it was fine – at least I think. He might dislike me but our last back and forths I feel he is a good guy.
But his post on another thread called “PFF: How did Jones Go Sixth Overall?” said the following:
“I'm willing to bet the same people who say "who cares" are the same people who say "who cares it's only practice" when journalists, coaches, or analysts praise Jones' performance. Of course they would be the first ones to bash the Giants for taking Jones if he was struggling often in practice.”
This post is a bait post for any negative poster to reply. It’s not a bad post at all. But it’s “bait” for negative posters to reply, correct?
If anyone that is positive sends these types of posts – you are probably going to get a negative poster to reply. I’m sure Jay means what he said but he is all but inviting a counter reply. Someone else counter-replied him in this instance. But these are the type of posts I’ll reply to as well.
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But again I am excited about Barkley. Just like all of Giants fans we all know if that OL is fixed and Jones becomes a good QB for the future, we're going to have one awesome offensive attack.
Bait or not but considering how consistently negative and unwilling to give DG or anyone on the Giants credit for anything and how enthusiastically these same people are there to bash DG and the team when they do poorly to prove themselves right, he's 100% on the money. Maybe instead of the "woe is me" persecution complex you can look internally and figure out why people are put off by one sided negativity and are motivated to make posts like that.
No.
I wasn't woe is me. Just trying to show that some are trying to project just because I'm negative I'm not miserable. DOn't understand why that is so hard to understand?
My pov (anyone who is negative) is a minority on here. It seems "woe is me" is coming more from the positive posters that don't want to hear a minor pov. I brought up the poster bigblueshock as counter to posts suggesting/implying that if you are posting positive you are content and if you are posting negative you are miserable.
ANd the Gmen have been lousy for a long time. When you are this bad for so long and this year will probably be bad again-- there is no ned other to throw a parade. The only spot we know for certain we can count on to to be a star is Barkley. Maybe Barkley can turn oen of teh OL into a proo bowl type. Maybe Golden can revert. That's why they are porjected 6-10. SO maybe maybes. For a tema os awful -- to blast people that are negative sems a bit absurd ot me.
And I'll say this-- Gmen turn it around and win a couple of year or even longer -- I'll start ripping into the negative posters. I just don't "believe" as some of you do. Because imo we heard this story before with McAdoo. Show me instead of tell me.