There are times where my bedside manner hasnt been the best. People will tell you that millennials want honesty, Gettleman says. Sometimes Ive been a little too abrupt and to the point. And I think its because Ive never been a pussyfooter. Ive never dallied around. Maybe there has to be a softer, kinder Dave Gettleman. Yeah, Im 68, but Im not an old man falling down. Id like to think that I can learn, that Im agile and can still learn.
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Problem is that "analytics" is used as a catch-all phrase by fans/media. Certain aspects are far more useful in today's game then others. I think using analytics to predict a player's performance to a high degree of accuracy (as in baseball) is still a ways out*. But using analytics to improve in game decision making (see going for 2 after scoring a TD when down 14) or overall playcalling (use more play action!!!) can certainly provide benefits today.
*even though it's still likely a long way out, hopefully the Giants are still investing significant resources into it in the hopes of finding an edge. Biggest advantage goes to the first team to use them.
I'm guessing those aren't the same people calling for more analytics.
It's a little harder, but you could also argue that the Giants draft strategy is more evidence of an analytics approach than many would lead you to believe. With QBs getting rid of the ball quicker, it's arguably more valuable to have great coverage, particularly with CBs that can get physical at the LOS, then it is to have a great edge rusher. Combine good coverage with an interior pass rush and you may have a better chance of disrupting the quick passing games teams now employ. Hence a draft filled with DBs and Lawrence (plus Hill last season).
One area I'd like to see more improvement in is with the use of timeouts this year. Need someone well versed in clock management either in the booth or on the sideline able to converse with Shurmur.
A lot of Giant fans thought Accorsi was an awful GM. But he traded for and drafted Eli Manning the only 2 time championship winning QB in an almost 100 year NY Giants history. After 15 years Ernie's legacy looks pretty good.
Gettleman passed on Darnold and drafted Jones. 5-10-15 years from now his legacy will be written too.
Yeah, that 15-1 team he put together really sucked.
A lot of Giant fans thought Accorsi was an awful GM. But he traded for and drafted Eli Manning the only 2 time championship winning QB in an almost 100 year NY Giants history. After 15 years Ernie's legacy looks pretty good.
What has Darnold done that makes everyone think he is a sure fire Hall of Fame qb? He pretty much had the same year as Rosen who was ditched by his team.
Gettleman passed on Darnold and drafted Jones. 5-10-15 years from now his legacy will be written too.
What has Darnold done that makes everyone think he is a sure fire Hall of Fame qb? He pretty much had the same year as Rosen who was ditched by his team.
The only good news is this is a results business. He might be right. He doesnt offer any evidence here, but well know soon enough.
A lot of Giant fans thought Accorsi was an awful GM. But he traded for and drafted Eli Manning the only 2 time championship winning QB in an almost 100 year NY Giants history. After 15 years Ernie's legacy looks pretty good.
Gettleman passed on Darnold and drafted Jones. 5-10-15 years from now his legacy will be written too.
Who thought Accorsi was a terrible GM? Maybe an average GM, but terrible? I mean I'm sure there were a few idiots, but to say a lot I think is overstating things.
What has Darnold done that makes everyone think he is a sure fire Hall of Fame qb? He pretty much had the same year as Rosen who was ditched by his team.
Darnold did not have a good year in 2018, IMO. However, he was a rookie and I know it's way to early to draw a conclusion.
In other words, I like to analyze beer and sushi, but never at the same time.
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and not very impressive.
Yeah, that 15-1 team he put together really sucked.
Reese "put together" two SB winning teams by the same standards (actually, arguably by stricter standards) than DG put the 15-1 team together, and few argue letting him go was a mistake.
The jury is still out on DG as a GM.
Let's all hope it's the former.
Let's all hope it's the former.
There is also some middle ground possible.
Jones is adequate and the team success depends on all the other moves Getts makes +\- luck and injuries.
Then he goes on to talk about how no one knows NFL history.
I'm sorry but, dont use the end of Eli's career as a platform to make a point how the new generation doesn't know their history
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so after picking Jones at No. 6 and faced with more questions of when hell boot out Manning for the new guy, the GM had his fill.
Maybe we are going to the Green Bay model, where Rodgers sat for three years, Gettleman said. Who knows?
No one, not even Gettleman himself, believes Jones will sit for three years behind Manning. So why even say that?
Just to say it, Gettleman says.
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Me personally, Im glad we made many changes and quite frankly upgraded our team on so many levels I still get goosebumps thinking about it all.
I dont care about any x-Giants and Im certainly not spending all my time at night lying in bd or here on BBI whining about the same message over and over....I miss OBJ, COLLINS, VERNON, WHOEVER, so much.... or why did we draft Daniel Jones at 6 when we could have had that DE or that other qb who was surrounded by 10 all pros?
This is my team and this team is 100% better than last year and now has a future, not to mention two bad ass lines, offensive and defensive. Dont forget what George Young said....you win with big monsters up front in the trenches!
Go DG, Go Giants!
Reese "put together" two SB winning teams by the same standards (actually, arguably by stricter standards) than DG put the 15-1 team together, and few argue letting him go was a mistake.
The jury is still out on DG as a GM.
Jerry Reese had a helluva lot more to do with the building of the Giants SB teams than Gettleman did the 15-1 team. Reese was the scouting director for years before moving to GM. His draft boards led to the drafts that laid the foundation of those teams.
The bulk of the Panthers core was in place the day Gettleman was hired.
When Gettleman left NY, results immediately began to go downhill.
But yet - that's never on his "resume".....
When Gettleman left NY, results immediately began to go downhill.
But yet - that's never on his "resume".....
What was his role back then? Is he who Ross replaced?
Does anyone remember who was the vp of player evaluation (in charge of the draft) before Ross?
Does anyone remember who was the vp of player evaluation (in charge of the draft) before Ross?
Reese ran the draft differently than accorsi. Under accorsi, reese was director of player personnel (04 - 07).
Gettleman was pro personnel director (99 - 11)
Chris Mara was vice president of player evaluation (03 - 11) and promoted to senior vice president of player personnel 2011. Marc Ross took Chris Maras vacated position.
No, to the best of my understanding. Under accorsi, reese did that. When reese took over, Marc Ross was brought in and I believe he had that responsibility.