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Jones MMQB: DG doesnít care what you think (Interview)

Defenderdawg : 8/6/2019 11:16 am
ďThere are times where my bedside manner hasnít been the best. People will tell you that millennials want honesty,Ē Gettleman says. ďSometimes Iíve been a little too abrupt and to the point. And I think itís because Iíve never been a pussyfooter. Iíve never dallied around. Ö Maybe there has to be a softer, kinder Dave Gettleman. Yeah, Iím 68, but Iím not an old man falling down. Iíd like to think that I can learn, that Iím agile and can still learn.Ē

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I love how his mocked analytics has become he thinks they are  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/6/2019 11:20 am : link
completely useless and have no place in the game. What he was mocking were the people that act like analytics are the be all end all in football, like in baseball. There are just too many moving pieces, unknown assignements, unmeasurable components to football where you can be purely driven by analytics. The bread and butter is still going to be evaluation for a very long time.
when the people cited as the most vocal critics  
Moondawg : 8/6/2019 11:33 am : link
are Josh Norman and OBJ, I'd also just smile and move on.
What Zeke and Moondawg  
Big Blue '56 : 8/6/2019 11:34 am : link
said
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GiantEgo : 8/6/2019 11:43 am : link
I have no idea how is moves will turn out but he seems like a pretty cool guy. I hope he proves a lot of people wrong.
He is opinion is irrelevant now as well  
twostepgiants : 8/6/2019 11:48 am : link
It all rides on Daniel Jones.
RE: I love how his mocked analytics has become he thinks they are  
giants#1 : 8/6/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14520164 Zeke's Alibi said:
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completely useless and have no place in the game. What he was mocking were the people that act like analytics are the be all end all in football, like in baseball. There are just too many moving pieces, unknown assignements, unmeasurable components to football where you can be purely driven by analytics. The bread and butter is still going to be evaluation for a very long time.


Problem is that "analytics" is used as a catch-all phrase by fans/media. Certain aspects are far more useful in today's game then others. I think using analytics to predict a player's performance to a high degree of accuracy (as in baseball) is still a ways out*. But using analytics to improve in game decision making (see going for 2 after scoring a TD when down 14) or overall playcalling (use more play action!!!) can certainly provide benefits today.

*even though it's still likely a long way out, hopefully the Giants are still investing significant resources into it in the hopes of finding an edge. Biggest advantage goes to the first team to use them.
Giants....I agree...but look at all the people that went in a fucking  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/6/2019 12:06 pm : link
uproar about us going for two last year down two tds in a situation that clearly called for it. Very results driven reaction which is exactly what you don't want.
That was a great interview. Whether you like DG or not, reading it  
Ira : 8/6/2019 12:06 pm : link
will add to your understanding of where he's coming from.
RE: Giants....I agree...but look at all the people that went in a fucking  
giants#1 : 8/6/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14520223 Zeke's Alibi said:
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uproar about us going for two last year down two tds in a situation that clearly called for it. Very results driven reaction which is exactly what you don't want.


I'm guessing those aren't the same people calling for more analytics.

It's a little harder, but you could also argue that the Giants draft strategy is more evidence of an analytics approach than many would lead you to believe. With QBs getting rid of the ball quicker, it's arguably more valuable to have great coverage, particularly with CBs that can get physical at the LOS, then it is to have a great edge rusher. Combine good coverage with an interior pass rush and you may have a better chance of disrupting the quick passing games teams now employ. Hence a draft filled with DBs and Lawrence (plus Hill last season).

One area I'd like to see more improvement in is with the use of timeouts this year. Need someone well versed in clock management either in the booth or on the sideline able to converse with Shurmur.
His resume as a GM is short  
arniefez : 8/6/2019 2:51 pm : link
and not very impressive. To paraphrase a quote from the Giants greatest HC, he was never a bus driver on a team that won. I'm not sure he was even in the front of the bus.

A lot of Giant fans thought Accorsi was an awful GM. But he traded for and drafted Eli Manning the only 2 time championship winning QB in an almost 100 year NY Giants history. After 15 years Ernie's legacy looks pretty good.

Gettleman passed on Darnold and drafted Jones. 5-10-15 years from now his legacy will be written too.
RE: His resume as a GM is short  
Gman11 : 8/6/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14520415 arniefez said:
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and not very impressive.


Yeah, that 15-1 team he put together really sucked.
RE: His resume as a GM is short  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 8/6/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14520415 arniefez said:
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and not very impressive. To paraphrase a quote from the Giants greatest HC, he was never a bus driver on a team that won. I'm not sure he was even in the front of the bus.

A lot of Giant fans thought Accorsi was an awful GM. But he traded for and drafted Eli Manning the only 2 time championship winning QB in an almost 100 year NY Giants history. After 15 years Ernie's legacy looks pretty good.


What has Darnold done that makes everyone think he is a sure fire Hall of Fame qb? He pretty much had the same year as Rosen who was ditched by his team.
Gettleman passed on Darnold and drafted Jones. 5-10-15 years from now his legacy will be written too.
RE: RE: His resume as a GM is short  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 8/6/2019 5:55 pm : link







What has Darnold done that makes everyone think he is a sure fire Hall of Fame qb? He pretty much had the same year as Rosen who was ditched by his team.

Is this supposed to make us feel better, or worse?  
mikeinbloomfield : 8/6/2019 6:14 pm : link
Fans have legitimate questions about the trade, the draft, and what does he say? ďTrust me. Culture. You donít knowĒ. Why take an RB, when analytics makes the case that is a waste of a pick that high? ďItís not!Ē Great! Why take Jones at 6, when nothing he did in college justify going that high? ďI fell in love.Ē

The only good news is this is a results business. He might be right. He doesnít offer any evidence here, but weíll know soon enough.
RE: His resume as a GM is short  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/6/2019 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14520415 arniefez said:
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and not very impressive. To paraphrase a quote from the Giants greatest HC, he was never a bus driver on a team that won. I'm not sure he was even in the front of the bus.

A lot of Giant fans thought Accorsi was an awful GM. But he traded for and drafted Eli Manning the only 2 time championship winning QB in an almost 100 year NY Giants history. After 15 years Ernie's legacy looks pretty good.

Gettleman passed on Darnold and drafted Jones. 5-10-15 years from now his legacy will be written too.


Who thought Accorsi was a terrible GM? Maybe an average GM, but terrible? I mean I'm sure there were a few idiots, but to say a lot I think is overstating things.
Seems like Gettleman  
mrvax : 8/6/2019 8:08 pm : link
is trolling the media. That's fun. ☺️


RE: RE: RE: His resume as a GM is short  
mrvax : 8/6/2019 8:12 pm : link
In comment 14520579 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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What has Darnold done that makes everyone think he is a sure fire Hall of Fame qb? He pretty much had the same year as Rosen who was ditched by his team.


Darnold did not have a good year in 2018, IMO. However, he was a rookie and I know it's way to early to draw a conclusion.
You know Gettleman will be down on the sideline  
St. Jimmy : 8/6/2019 8:40 pm : link
during warmups when the Giants play Redskins.
The analytics boogie man debate.  
Q v2.0 : 8/6/2019 8:45 pm : link
HOF Gil Brandt had IBM come in and install and program a computer system to track player measurables, and report on the data, when he joined the expansion Cowboys team, in 1963.

In other words, I like to analyze beer and sushi, but never at the same time.
RE: RE: His resume as a GM is short  
santacruzom : 8/6/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14520465 Gman11 said:
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In comment 14520415 arniefez said:


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and not very impressive.



Yeah, that 15-1 team he put together really sucked.


Reese "put together" two SB winning teams by the same standards (actually, arguably by stricter standards) than DG put the 15-1 team together, and few argue letting him go was a mistake.

The jury is still out on DG as a GM.
I am rooting for him though  
santacruzom : 8/6/2019 9:02 pm : link
Even if he weren't the Giants GM, I would like his perspective and his affable interviews.
It all comes down to Jones...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/6/2019 9:24 pm : link
If he's the goods, DG will be remembered fondly. If Jones blows, Gettleman is gone & we're looking for our next franchise QB.

Let's all hope it's the former.
RE: It all comes down to Jones...  
ron mexico : 8/6/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14520802 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If he's the goods, DG will be remembered fondly. If Jones blows, Gettleman is gone & we're looking for our next franchise QB.

Let's all hope it's the former.


There is also some middle ground possible.

Jones is adequate and the team success depends on all the other moves Getts makes +\- luck and injuries.
whats everyones take on this exchange?  
ron mexico : 8/6/2019 10:27 pm : link
Thats a pretty flippant remark while discussing the end of one guys career and the beginning of another's.

Then he goes on to talk about how no one knows NFL history.

I'm sorry but, dont use the end of Eli's career as a platform to make a point how the new generation doesn't know their history
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so after picking Jones at No. 6 and faced with more questions of when heíll boot out Manning for the new guy, the GM had his fill.

ďMaybe we are going to the Green Bay model, where Rodgers sat for three years,Ē Gettleman said. ďWho knows?Ē

No one, not even Gettleman himself, believes Jones will sit for three years behind Manning. So why even say that?

ďJust to say it,Ē Gettleman says.

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Fans should realize this  
5BowlsSoon : 8/6/2019 10:46 pm : link
Last year we were pretty bad. And guess what? We had OBJ, Collins, and that DE we traded to Cleveland, Vernon.

Me personally, Iím glad we made many changes and quite frankly upgraded our team on so many levels I still get goosebumps thinking about it all.

I donít care about any x-Giants and Iím certainly not spending all my time at night lying in bd or here on BBI whining about the same message over and over....ĒI miss OBJ, COLLINS, VERNON, WHOEVER, so much....Ē or ďwhy did we draft Daniel Jones at 6 when we could have had that DE or that other qb who was surrounded by 10 all pros?Ē

This is my team and this team is 100% better than last year and now has a future, not to mention two bad ass lines, offensive and defensive. Donít forget what George Young said....you win with big monsters up front in the trenches!

Go DG, Go Giants!

I'm pretty sure no GM, on any team, in any sport, cares what you think  
Mad Mike : 8/6/2019 11:54 pm : link
News at 11.
RE: RE: RE: His resume as a GM is short  
Greg from LI : 8/7/2019 1:17 am : link
In comment 14520758 santacruzom said:
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Reese "put together" two SB winning teams by the same standards (actually, arguably by stricter standards) than DG put the 15-1 team together, and few argue letting him go was a mistake.

The jury is still out on DG as a GM.


Jerry Reese had a helluva lot more to do with the building of the Giants SB teams than Gettleman did the 15-1 team. Reese was the scouting director for years before moving to GM. His draft boards led to the drafts that laid the foundation of those teams.

The bulk of the Panthers core was in place the day Gettleman was hired.
And what's little talked about here...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/7/2019 6:47 am : link
is that Gettleman had quite a bit to do with the Reese teams too.

When Gettleman left NY, results immediately began to go downhill.

But yet - that's never on his "resume".....
RE: And what's little talked about here...  
ron mexico : 8/7/2019 6:53 am : link
In comment 14520991 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is that Gettleman had quite a bit to do with the Reese teams too.

When Gettleman left NY, results immediately began to go downhill.

But yet - that's never on his "resume".....


What was his role back then? Is he who Ross replaced?
Found the answer to my question  
ron mexico : 8/7/2019 7:10 am : link
Getts was pro personnel director while Ross was the Vice President of player evaluation

Does anyone remember who was the vp of player evaluation (in charge of the draft) before Ross?
RE: Found the answer to my question  
TrueBlue56 : 8/7/2019 9:30 am : link
In comment 14521003 ron mexico said:
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Getts was pro personnel director while Ross was the Vice President of player evaluation

Does anyone remember who was the vp of player evaluation (in charge of the draft) before Ross?


Reese ran the draft differently than accorsi. Under accorsi, reese was director of player personnel (04 - 07).
Gettleman was pro personnel director (99 - 11)
Chris Mara was vice president of player evaluation (03 - 11) and promoted to senior vice president of player personnel 2011. Marc Ross took Chris Maras vacated position.
Thanks  
ron mexico : 8/7/2019 9:36 am : link
Does that mean chris Mara set up the draft board for both acorsi and Reese?
RE: Thanks  
TrueBlue56 : 8/7/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14521110 ron mexico said:
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Does that mean chris Mara set up the draft board for both acorsi and Reese?


No, to the best of my understanding. Under accorsi, reese did that. When reese took over, Marc Ross was brought in and I believe he had that responsibility.
Thanks  
ron mexico : 8/7/2019 10:02 am : link
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