Sy maintains that Remmers is a flawed player. Let's face it he has been up and down in the past couple of years. It's fingers crossed with him. All in all we assessed him as an improvement over any of last year's RTs but a lot of folks think his ceiling is just average.
reason Remmers has been up and down has been his forced play at guard, not his natural spot.
I hope that is the right assessment -- truly I do
I think Remmers is filling the role that Brown did mis-season last year. A stop-gap upgrade until something better comes along. He plays at his level of 2017 we’ll be pretty well off. His injury is a concern.
of a stick it in there and get the 1 to 2 yards. Personally, I don't mind him bouncing out for some of his long gainers every now and then.
Hard to do that last year when the D would be on him as soon as he was handed the ball. I would expect him to be able to do that more this year with better OL play.
Bc of how terrible the position has been for us the last several years.
But Remmers is far from a sure thing. He peaked 2 years ago when he was slightly above average and has had back problems since then. There is a reason he was a 1 year, $3M rental and it's not just bc of his back.
I'm excited to have a true professional over there but RT this year isnt as settled as some would like to believe.
The OL has held this team back more than anything you can think of and even though the RT spot is a weaknesses, if these guys can be as dominant as I think they can be, the entire outlook of the offense changes.
What's angered me the most (besides the virtually non-existent pass-protection) is the inability to convert a 3rd & short on the ground. I don't care if it's Barkley running the ball or someone else, I just want to feel confident on 3rd & 1 that they'll be able to pick up two yards.
reason Remmers has been up and down has been his forced play at guard, not his natural spot.
That can't be the only reason. The guy has played on 6 different NFL teams. He might be a solid NFL starter or he might not.
That's a little misleading, though. His first two years in the league he bounced around five different teams, on and off their practice squads, and only played in a handful of games. When he hooked up with Carolina, he got a chance to start and did so for 37 straight games (plus playoffs). He played well enough that the Vikings (who had him and released him in 2013 without playing him), signed him in 2017 to a five-year, $30 million deal. He started eleven games for them at RT before he got hurt, then 16 games at RG in 2018, where he struggled with a new position in addition to his recurring back troubles.
I'm not a huge Remmers fan. I really wanted the Giants to draft a plug-and-play RT this year. But he's better than anyone the Giants have had at that position since K-Mac retired - which isn't saying much, I know, but still...he's an upgrade.
At the very least Remmers is beating out Wheeler Â
for the RT spot so its an upgrade. How much remains to be seen but 2nd year of Hernandez, Pio hopefully healthy at Center beating out Pulley, Zeitler and Remmers is an upgrade.
is starting doesn't make him better than Wheeler. Did he beat him out playing in shorts? The GM signed him to be the starting RT, so he's starting. The same GM signed Omameh to start at RG last year, how did that work out???
In regard to height and weight - big deal! Flowers was bigger than all of them. Last years line had the same 3 guys - Solder, Hernandez and Hallipio through games 1 and 2 - how did they look??? Zeigler is an upgrade, that's all we really know for sure, but they no longer have an elite WR that teams need to focus on, so I think the offense is not going to be better - hope I'm wrong.
is starting doesn't make him better than Wheeler. Did he beat him out playing in shorts? The GM signed him to be the starting RT, so he's starting. The same GM signed Omameh to start at RG last year, how did that work out???
Do you honestly think that Remmers is starting just because Gettleman signed him to start? That he's not a significant upgrade from Chad Wheeler? If Wheeler was good enough, why bother to spend money on Remmers in the first place? As for Omameh (who's still in the league, now with New Orleans), yeah, he was less-than-stellar, to put it mildly. Would you have preferred the Giants stick with D.J. Fluker?
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In regard to height and weight - big deal! Flowers was bigger than all of them. Last years line had the same 3 guys - Solder, Hernandez and Hallipio through games 1 and 2 - how did they look??? Zeigler is an upgrade, that's all we really know for sure, but they no longer have an elite WR that teams need to focus on, so I think the offense is not going to be better - hope I'm wrong.
The right side of last year's line was pretty bad, hence the trade for Zeitler and the signing of Remmers. Zeitler is more than just an upgrade - he's a HUGE upgrade. He's the best RG we've had since Chris Snee.
Solder and Hernandez both got better as the season progressed. Solder is what he his, an average-to-above average LT with a ton of experience. Hernandez, going into his second year, has drawn a ton of praise from Brian Baldinger, who is hardly a Giants "homer" (far from it) and knows a thing or two about playing offensive line in the NFL.
Halapio is still a question mark. He was not a good RG. He may turn out to be a good Center. Pulley is average-to-below average at the position, so if Halapio is good enough to beat him out, he'll be well worth the relative pittance he's making.
As long as the O-Line does its job, it doesn't matter if we have an "elite WR" or not. We may not have a ton of weapons, but we have enough to be efficient, if not explosive, and I'd consider that a big step in the right direction for this team.
for significantly less than Omameh and of the $2.5M Remmers can earn this year, $875k of it (~33%) is only earned if he's active. That's not a contract you give to a "starter", that's a depth/competition signing.
Let's get one thing straight re: Wheeler v Remmer Â
Wheeler is injured right now and Remmers has been playing
Remmers looks much more the part than Wheeler does - can that change? Maybe -- but all things being equal right now Remmers is a better choice than Wheeler
Wheeler had any chance of starting once Remmers was signed is kidding themselves. Now, Remmers may end up playing better than Wheeler, but that remains to be seen. That fact that the team has "confidence" in Pulley speaks volumes to me - hope I'm wrong...
Wheeler had any chance of starting once Remmers was signed is kidding themselves.
Well, naturally, because Wheeler sucked and needed to be replaced, which is why Remmers was signed in the first place. He's simply a better player. He was brought in the replace Wheeler in the starting lineup. Why is that difficult for you to understand? Does Wheeler owe you money or something? Do you think Gettleman just wanted to do something nice for his old buddy Mike so he gave him a job?
The very fact that Wheeler is still on the roster Â
Can't wait for real games to start, to see what we have.
Get off my lawn!!
Seriously though thanks guys for your work, always appreciated.
XBronx
Sy maintains that Remmers is a flawed player. Let's face it he has been up and down in the past couple of years. It's fingers crossed with him. All in all we assessed him as an improvement over any of last year's RTs but a lot of folks think his ceiling is just average.
I hope that is the right assessment -- truly I do
Yes. Today was his second day. Same with Michael Thomas and Zak DeOssie with NFLPA.
The arrow is pointing up. Excited to watch this team develop this season..
Ideally, he would know when to do one vs. the other more consistently.
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reason Remmers has been up and down has been his forced play at guard, not his natural spot.
I hope that is the right assessment -- truly I do
I think Remmers is filling the role that Brown did mis-season last year. A stop-gap upgrade until something better comes along. He plays at his level of 2017 we’ll be pretty well off. His injury is a concern.
What Sy said was that analytics shows just how important those those 1 or 2 yards are to scoring.
A 1st down run on a possession that nets less than 2 yards decreases the likelihood of a score by approximately 60%.
A 1st down run that nets 10+ yards on the possession only increases the possibility of a score by about 7 to 9%.
In other words the negative affect of a bad run is far worse for scoring potential, than the positive affect of a good run is.
You only get so many possessions per game. Failing on a possession because of a bad 1st down run is not a path to winning.
Hard to do that last year when the D would be on him as soon as he was handed the ball. I would expect him to be able to do that more this year with better OL play.
But Remmers is far from a sure thing. He peaked 2 years ago when he was slightly above average and has had back problems since then. There is a reason he was a 1 year, $3M rental and it's not just bc of his back.
I'm excited to have a true professional over there but RT this year isnt as settled as some would like to believe.
That can't be the only reason. The guy has played on 6 different NFL teams. He might be a solid NFL starter or he might not.
What's angered me the most (besides the virtually non-existent pass-protection) is the inability to convert a 3rd & short on the ground. I don't care if it's Barkley running the ball or someone else, I just want to feel confident on 3rd & 1 that they'll be able to pick up two yards.
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reason Remmers has been up and down has been his forced play at guard, not his natural spot.
That can't be the only reason. The guy has played on 6 different NFL teams. He might be a solid NFL starter or he might not.
That's a little misleading, though. His first two years in the league he bounced around five different teams, on and off their practice squads, and only played in a handful of games. When he hooked up with Carolina, he got a chance to start and did so for 37 straight games (plus playoffs). He played well enough that the Vikings (who had him and released him in 2013 without playing him), signed him in 2017 to a five-year, $30 million deal. He started eleven games for them at RT before he got hurt, then 16 games at RG in 2018, where he struggled with a new position in addition to his recurring back troubles.
I'm not a huge Remmers fan. I really wanted the Giants to draft a plug-and-play RT this year. But he's better than anyone the Giants have had at that position since K-Mac retired - which isn't saying much, I know, but still...he's an upgrade.
In regard to height and weight - big deal! Flowers was bigger than all of them. Last years line had the same 3 guys - Solder, Hernandez and Hallipio through games 1 and 2 - how did they look??? Zeigler is an upgrade, that's all we really know for sure, but they no longer have an elite WR that teams need to focus on, so I think the offense is not going to be better - hope I'm wrong.
Do you honestly think that Remmers is starting just because Gettleman signed him to start? That he's not a significant upgrade from Chad Wheeler? If Wheeler was good enough, why bother to spend money on Remmers in the first place? As for Omameh (who's still in the league, now with New Orleans), yeah, he was less-than-stellar, to put it mildly. Would you have preferred the Giants stick with D.J. Fluker?
The right side of last year's line was pretty bad, hence the trade for Zeitler and the signing of Remmers. Zeitler is more than just an upgrade - he's a HUGE upgrade. He's the best RG we've had since Chris Snee.
Solder and Hernandez both got better as the season progressed. Solder is what he his, an average-to-above average LT with a ton of experience. Hernandez, going into his second year, has drawn a ton of praise from Brian Baldinger, who is hardly a Giants "homer" (far from it) and knows a thing or two about playing offensive line in the NFL.
Halapio is still a question mark. He was not a good RG. He may turn out to be a good Center. Pulley is average-to-below average at the position, so if Halapio is good enough to beat him out, he'll be well worth the relative pittance he's making.
As long as the O-Line does its job, it doesn't matter if we have an "elite WR" or not. We may not have a ton of weapons, but we have enough to be efficient, if not explosive, and I'd consider that a big step in the right direction for this team.
Wheeler is injured right now and Remmers has been playing
Remmers looks much more the part than Wheeler does - can that change? Maybe -- but all things being equal right now Remmers is a better choice than Wheeler
Well, naturally, because Wheeler sucked and needed to be replaced, which is why Remmers was signed in the first place. He's simply a better player. He was brought in the replace Wheeler in the starting lineup. Why is that difficult for you to understand? Does Wheeler owe you money or something? Do you think Gettleman just wanted to do something nice for his old buddy Mike so he gave him a job?
Wheeler is terrible.
There is no glossing over that fact.
When Wheeler is gone then the OL may actually have improved