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Pat Hanlon fires back at Francesa

Bold Ruler : Mod : 8/6/2019 8:30 pm
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Refresher: ďThe Giants now act like losers, they have no plan like losers, and the people running the team, in my estimation, are losers. I donít believe a word Gettleman says. Not a word. He lied to everyone about what he was doing. ... the Giants are an utter embarrassment."
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For the first time in my WFAN career I will not be doing a training camp program from Giants camp. Was invited but told there would be no access to GM. Dave Gettleman should have enough confidence and conviction to explain his decisions. If he is hiding, Iíll pass.
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RE: you can't lie about a future event  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14521061 GiantNatty said:
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you can only lie about facts. if someone says "are you going to trade Beckham," you respond "no," and then you trade him, it doesn't mean you lied - it means you changed your mind.

That's not entirely true. If, just using your example, you know you're going to trade Beckham and still say "no," then you're lying.

If you're planning a surprise party for someone and they ask you if you're going to throw them a party, are you lying when you say no? Or did you just change your mind when you yell "surprise!"?
RE: So Reese let everyone and their mother know  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/7/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14521206 cjac said:
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he wanted to take Leonard Floyd 3 years ago

He was crushed for letting everyone know about it and the Bears leap frogged us to take him.

Now we have a GM who puts up smoke screens and did not let anyone know what his intensions were, and some Ahole Media Diva is ripping him apart for that.

My feelings about this are.... fuck Mike F


Nobody's allowed to say he "puts up smokescreens" after the Barkley draft.
RE: bw  
bw in dc : 8/7/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14521134 UConn4523 said:
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that isnít whatís happening here.

I challenge anyone to listen to the audio of mike his first day on air after the draft and tell me thatís someone worth speaking to. Mike got bad info and now he hates Gettleman, thatís childish and not worth Gettelmans time.

Also, Eli isnít doing Mikes show either because heís tired of being asked about his last year, when will he be benched, etc. is he in the wrong too?


Let me counter this with this:

I am one of Eli's biggest critics. But let me tell you something about him that I admire. A few years ago, Bayless and Sharpe, for their FSI show, was on location at the SB. Bayless has been a relentless critic of Eli. He's called Eli's pass to Tyree the luckiest play in history, Eli's overrated, he's a turnover machine, etc.

The last place you would think Eli would show up is on Bayless' show. But low and behold, I had the show on in my office and Eli showed up. Granted, he was hawking a product, but he was there nonetheless. And my guess is Eli could have told the sponsor he didn't want to do the show.

Instead, he sat right across from Bayless, listened to Bayless' act, answered all of the questions, and thanked them both for the invite. It was a real class act.

So if Eli can deal with that, and he's far more important in NY sports history that DG, than DG should act like an adult and do Francessa's show...regardless of Mike's non-flattering rants...

I listened to Mike's rant on the radio live  
Rjanyg : 8/7/2019 11:21 am : link
He completely freaked out about how the Giants should have cut Manning if they were drafting a QB in the first round.

I really don't get this stance, like every team that invests a 1st round pick in a QB needs to start him right away. That is not a given and Mike acted like a know it all the whole rant.

Gettlemen actually told Mike they may take a QB. Not many thought it would be Jones especially at 6. I was pissed we passed on Josh Allen because he is the guy I wanted NYG to select at far back as last October. If anything I thought at pick 17 Jones would be ok, as long as they Got a front 7 pass rusher.

Bottom line, DG had a conviction on a QB, a year after everybody bitched and moaned about taking Barkley over Darnold. People are still bitching about that.

Barkley was the best player in the last 3 drafts. He is a Giant. Daniel Jones will succeed Eli Manning at some point.

Francesa needs to either accept this or shut the f up.
Mike would just talk over top of them like he does  
Jan in DC : 8/7/2019 11:23 am : link
everyone else anyways.
RE: I like Gettleman  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/7/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14521166 Harvest Blend said:
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even more now. Francesa's always been a douche.

He's pissing off all the right people. OBJ, Collins, Norman, Steve Smith, Carolina GM Olsen fanboy.
RE: fact is our GM acts like a tough guy  
Bill L : 8/7/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14521191 Shirk130 said:
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and then hides from tough questions.

Why is he obligated to specifically speak to Francesa? Is he required to accept any and every interview request? If I asked to interview him this afternoon, would he be obligated to accept, lest his manhood be questioned?

I've seen interviews with DG recently. Defenderdawg had one linked yesterday, in fact. He had a press conference at least once during this training camp. Eric had the transcript up. That doesn't sound like he was hiding to me. And, I don't recall any questions that he was afraid to answer.
RE: RE: bw  
Les in TO : 8/7/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14521228 bw in dc said:
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that isnít whatís happening here.

I challenge anyone to listen to the audio of mike his first day on air after the draft and tell me thatís someone worth speaking to. Mike got bad info and now he hates Gettleman, thatís childish and not worth Gettelmans time.

Also, Eli isnít doing Mikes show either because heís tired of being asked about his last year, when will he be benched, etc. is he in the wrong too?



Let me counter this with this:

I am one of Eli's biggest critics. But let me tell you something about him that I admire. A few years ago, Bayless and Sharpe, for their FSI show, was on location at the SB. Bayless has been a relentless critic of Eli. He's called Eli's pass to Tyree the luckiest play in history, Eli's overrated, he's a turnover machine, etc.

The last place you would think Eli would show up is on Bayless' show. But low and behold, I had the show on in my office and Eli showed up. Granted, he was hawking a product, but he was there nonetheless. And my guess is Eli could have told the sponsor he didn't want to do the show.

Instead, he sat right across from Bayless, listened to Bayless' act, answered all of the questions, and thanked them both for the invite. It was a real class act.

So if Eli can deal with that, and he's far more important in NY sports history that DG, than DG should act like an adult and do Francessa's show...regardless of Mike's non-flattering rants...
the difference is Eli likely had a contractual obligation to fulfill from his sponsor to go on that program. If DG doesnít have to go on the show, why should he give time and attention to someone who calls him a loser, an embarrassment and a liar?
RE: RE: So Reese let everyone and their mother know  
Bill L : 8/7/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14521221 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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he wanted to take Leonard Floyd 3 years ago

He was crushed for letting everyone know about it and the Bears leap frogged us to take him.

Now we have a GM who puts up smoke screens and did not let anyone know what his intensions were, and some Ahole Media Diva is ripping him apart for that.

My feelings about this are.... fuck Mike F



Nobody's allowed to say he "puts up smokescreens" after the Barkley draft.


Even you would have to admit, that there's more chances of people jumping in front of you at #6 than there is at #2. Aren't there?
RE: RE: bw  
Bill L : 8/7/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14521228 bw in dc said:
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...regardless of Mike's non-flattering rants...


I would say that your spite has made you over-prone to euphemism in this case.
RE: The haughtiness...  
jhibb : 8/7/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14521128 bw in dc said:
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and phoniness of Jints Central.

One of the supposed reasons why Jones was drafted was because the great decision makers at Jints Central were confident he could manage and deal with the big, bad, mean NY press. Jones could follow in Eli's footsteps and be a real grown up.

But now these sages don't want to deal with the big, bad, mean NY press because one of them hurt their feelings by criticizing their delicate GM.

How absolutely perfect...


Part of the game of managing and dealing with the press is knowing when you should simply ignore one member of it who is acting unprofessionally. If I were a GM or other exec and had a player who was the subject of a rant by a media member - calling him a loser and saying that he didn't believe a word he said - I would definitely try not to have that player grant an interview to that media member.

I don't care if bwcentral would call that delicate or immature. I would simply call it being smart.
One has to ask, if someone said those things about me, would I talk to  
Ira : 8/7/2019 12:04 pm : link
him. Most of us would say no.
RE: RE: RE: bw  
jhibb : 8/7/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14521262 Les in TO said:
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the difference is Eli likely had a contractual obligation to fulfill from his sponsor to go on that program. If DG doesnít have to go on the show, why should he give time and attention to someone who calls him a loser, an embarrassment and a liar?


Agreed. And there's also a big difference between saying someone is "lucky and overrated" and saying someone is "a loser, an embarrassment and a liar."
RE: RE: RE: bw  
bw in dc : 8/7/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14521262 Les in TO said:
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In comment 14521228 bw in dc said:




Let me counter this with this:

I am one of Eli's biggest critics. But let me tell you something about him that I admire. A few years ago, Bayless and Sharpe, for their FSI show, was on location at the SB. Bayless has been a relentless critic of Eli. He's called Eli's pass to Tyree the luckiest play in history, Eli's overrated, he's a turnover machine, etc.

The last place you would think Eli would show up is on Bayless' show. But low and behold, I had the show on in my office and Eli showed up. Granted, he was hawking a product, but he was there nonetheless. And my guess is Eli could have told the sponsor he didn't want to do the show.

Instead, he sat right across from Bayless, listened to Bayless' act, answered all of the questions, and thanked them both for the invite. It was a real class act.

So if Eli can deal with that, and he's far more important in NY sports history that DG, than DG should act like an adult and do Francessa's show...regardless of Mike's non-flattering rants...


the difference is Eli likely had a contractual obligation to fulfill from his sponsor to go on that program. If DG doesnít have to go on the show, why should he give time and attention to someone who calls him a loser, an embarrassment and a liar?


I am going the other way. If Eli didn't want to do a specific show, he and Condon have enough clout to bargain the conditions of the sale. My guess is the sponsor gave Eli/Condon the shows they were targeting, and Eli had final say. No expert, but I think that's how those situations likely work...

Like it or not, Mike is an icon in NYC. I think DG appearing on the show would be a good way to confront Mike's claims and be the bigger guy (figuratively of course ;) ).

Look at Brady and WEEI. The host of the morning show called Brady's daughter a piss ant. When you attack family, that's a different level, right? Brady still showed up, and WEEI suspended the host. But Brady came out publicly and stated that the host shouldn't be fired over one mistake. And that he supported the guy coming back on the air. Not entirely apples to apples, but you get my drift...
RE: fact is our GM acts like a tough guy  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14521191 Shirk130 said:
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and then hides from tough questions.


He just answered the questions, you can see for yourself in the SI article posted in another active thread.

Since when does not bowing down to Francesa mean he doesnít answer questions? Francesa would be asking him the same questions heís already answered, only heíd make it personal. Not sure why some of you canít see the difference.

Itís fine if you think itís a bad look, canít argue how it makes you feel. But some of the info here isnít accurate.
Whatever  
HomerJones45 : 8/7/2019 12:18 pm : link
this is such a sideshow. Gettlemen got rid of all the vets and has his guys and his coach. If he wins, then he deserves the accolades, and if he doesn't he and his coach should be out on the street and his relationship with GM Jr won't save him.
Francessa's comments were rude and personnel. Even DG's worst  
Ira : 8/7/2019 12:25 pm : link
critics on this thread wouldn't give anyone the time of day who insulted him in that way, nor should they.
RE: I just think there is way too much of this going on in society  
regulator : 8/7/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14521167 Stu11 said:
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not just sports, where public figures are picking and choosing media based on who's nice to them. You think this is the first time a media figure has been tough on a person? Anyone read a Dick Young/ Jimmy Breslin column over decades? I though one of the best radio spots I ever heard was the night Steinbrenner's suspension ended and he went on WFAN at midnight with Suzyn Waldman. Now of course she's a fangirl, but he took calls for over an hour, and not just screened fanboy ones. True fans really giving it to him. He took it and didn't get defensive. You know what I really respected him for that. Like I said both parties are at fault here. Frances is a big fucking baby who thinks its 25 years ago and that anyone give a shit about him, but DG should be doing the show to explain what the plan is. Public figures make themselves more irrelevant when they avoid the heat.


There's certainly less civility than ever in journalism, so I don't blame necessarily blame people (politicians or otherwise) for declining interviews with certain people from whom an attack is all but assured. Some of it is driven by our media consumption: journalists get a lot more mileage out of a widely-shared, incendiary tweet or soundbite than they do a thoughtful, reasoned discussion.
So, that becomes the primary objective of such an interview. It's why we are just as unlikely to see Donald Trump sit down for an interview with a Rachel Maddow as we are AOC to meet with someone like Tucker Carlson. The interview undoubtedly draws a lot of attention, and the subject walks into the inevitable buzzsaw unless a combative tone is struck from the jump, and so it goes.

Bottom line, Mike would be loaded for bear in an interview with Gettleman, and their styles don't really mix. It just wouldn't be a good look for the Giants.
RE: RE: So Reese let everyone and their mother know  
cjac : 8/7/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14521221 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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he wanted to take Leonard Floyd 3 years ago

He was crushed for letting everyone know about it and the Bears leap frogged us to take him.

Now we have a GM who puts up smoke screens and did not let anyone know what his intensions were, and some Ahole Media Diva is ripping him apart for that.

My feelings about this are.... fuck Mike F



Nobody's allowed to say he "puts up smokescreens" after the Barkley draft.


But he (and everyone else) knew the Browns were going to take Mayfield, thats a completely different situation
Weak  
Thegratefulhead : 8/7/2019 12:58 pm : link
I hate MF, piece of garbage. I would expect someone as strong as DG to be able handle MF. I find this cowardly. I would prefer he go on with MF as a hostile interview and challenge MF for his bullshit. I personally want to be able address the people that criticize me.
RE: RE: So Reese let everyone and their mother know  
Dr. D : 8/7/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14521221 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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he wanted to take Leonard Floyd 3 years ago

He was crushed for letting everyone know about it and the Bears leap frogged us to take him.

Now we have a GM who puts up smoke screens and did not let anyone know what his intensions were, and some Ahole Media Diva is ripping him apart for that.

My feelings about this are.... fuck Mike F



Nobody's allowed to say he "puts up smokescreens" after the Barkley draft.

You do understand that the Giants had the #2 pick in '18, right? Meaning that smokescreens weren't necessary (knowing that the only team picking in front of them was taking a QB)?
It may not have been "necessary", but it also isn't cause  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/7/2019 1:13 pm : link
for the entire league to know who they were picking. Why would having that knowledge out there ever be okay, is the point.
I don't think DG is the only GM  
Dr. D : 8/7/2019 1:16 pm : link
who didn't think it was necessary to smokescreen when they were picking #1 or 2 (when #1 is certain).

Francessa crossed the line with his personal attacks on DG  
Torrag : 8/7/2019 1:22 pm : link
Part of the mans job as GM of the Giants is literally keeping the teams true intentions about personnel decisions internal to the organization. It would hurt the teams future if the rest of the NFL new their real thinking.

MF went too far because he was butthurt about not having an exclusive on the Giants plans. He took bis remarks too far. They weren't about football but people and it soured the relationship. It's his fault.

Now he's over reacting by not going to camp to cover literally everyone else that's a part of the franchise? Even Eli who doesn't go on air with him anymore will be available if FAN did a camp broadcast.

Childish stuff by Mike.
Torrag  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 1:24 pm : link
yup
RE: Weak  
Mr. Bungle : 8/7/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14521348 Thegratefulhead said:
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I would prefer he go on with MF as a hostile interview and challenge MF for his bullshit.

Which would reward Francesa with ratings and publicity.
Francesca is Irrelevant  
clatterbuck : 8/7/2019 1:36 pm : link
in NY. Nobody cares any more.
There are two things that annoyed Francesa, IMO  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2019 1:58 pm : link
1) he felt like he was out of the loop with the Giants' draft intentions (as he should have been).

2) he seems to have decided that the Giants' decision to draft Jones is what led to Eli withdrawing from his weekly appearance (let's be honest, most fans would tune in to hear Eli, not Francesa, so this does suck for him, even though we've discussed previously and ad nauseam that Eli had already withdrawn before the draft).
I used to listen to the Pope because he was entertaining and even  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/7/2019 2:09 pm : link
respected his insight into the NFL as far as an around the league perspective. The last five years though they game has completely passed him by as far as understanding football.

Pope also has this super annoying quality where he will trash anyone that doesn't do his show and kiss the ass of the people that do. Pope is just pissed because he is getting boxed out. The Giants have been victim to him because he was the most powerful voice locally. Key word there is was. You don't need to have the Pope on your side anymore to quell dissatisfaction of the masses. And if he had the same pull as he used to it would have been wise for DJ to do his show like Eli has. He doesn't have that pull anymore. He is old man yelling at clouds territory.

His take on the April draft is pretty much because he wasn't privy to inside info anymore and he threw a hissy fit. Guy has a ridiculously inflated opinion of himself and may have been true once upon a time. Reminds me of the hot chick that has aged out and doesn't handle it very well.
RE: There are two things that annoyed Francesa, IMO  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/7/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14521432 Gatorade Dunk said:
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1) he felt like he was out of the loop with the Giants' draft intentions (as he should have been).

2) he seems to have decided that the Giants' decision to draft Jones is what led to Eli withdrawing from his weekly appearance (let's be honest, most fans would tune in to hear Eli, not Francesa, so this does suck for him, even though we've discussed previously and ad nauseam that Eli had already withdrawn before the draft).


Honestly, after a few brutal Eli performances this past couple years I'd tune in to hear would Pope would ask him, but softball city. Why anyone ever listens to those is beyond me, you know Eli isn't going to say anthing other than repeating the same 3 things over and over again after a loss. Could probably recite in my sleep by now and I've heard maybe 15 post game interviews/pressers from him. I'm much more interested in waht the coach has to say because he may actually give some insight.
"And these are the Days of our Giants"  
micky : 8/7/2019 4:18 pm : link
Soap will continue after these commercial .....
I have listened to Francesca only a few times  
Scyber : 8/7/2019 4:35 pm : link
And I don't understand why anyone would listen to him regularly.
I think Gettleman is doing exactly  
Jersey55 : 8/7/2019 4:43 pm : link
what needs to be done to an ego maniac like Francesca, put him in his place and show him he's just a loud mouthed jerk off...
RE: There are two things that annoyed Francesa, IMO  
upnyg : 8/7/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14521432 Gatorade Dunk said:
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1) he felt like he was out of the loop with the Giants' draft intentions (as he should have been).

2) he seems to have decided that the Giants' decision to draft Jones is what led to Eli withdrawing from his weekly appearance (let's be honest, most fans would tune in to hear Eli, not Francesa, so this does suck for him, even though we've discussed previously and ad nauseam that Eli had already withdrawn before the draft).


That's pretty much it!
RE: RE: So Reese let everyone and their mother know  
djm : 8/7/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14521221 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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he wanted to take Leonard Floyd 3 years ago

He was crushed for letting everyone know about it and the Bears leap frogged us to take him.

Now we have a GM who puts up smoke screens and did not let anyone know what his intensions were, and some Ahole Media Diva is ripping him apart for that.

My feelings about this are.... fuck Mike F



Nobody's allowed to say he "puts up smokescreens" after the Barkley draft.


Right because everyone just knew we were taking jones at six.

Please just stop with this smoke screen nonsense.
RE: It may not have been  
djm : 8/7/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14521368 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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for the entire league to know who they were picking. Why would having that knowledge out there ever be okay, is the point.



Youíre really going to hold DGs feet to the fire because he proclaimed that Barkley was a wonderful rb prospect weeks before the draft. Mind you, he never said he was drafting Barkley.

You guys get worked up over some strange shit sometimes.

Psó this entire debate and whether DG is bad, good, or wrong about this Francessa nonsense is 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Literally, 100% meaningless.
RE:  
djm : 8/7/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14521610 micky said:
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Soap will continue after these commercial .....


Change giants to NYG fan base and media.
I like Francessa too......  
BillKo : 8/7/2019 6:37 pm : link
....who the hell else is there to listen to on terrestrial radio?

But why would DG need to be completely honest, or revealing, with what the Giants were up to for the draft? And what if they had a last second change of heart?

Francessa needs to understand that, and accept it. It's part of how the NFL works.

I also think Francessa was pissed about Eli not renewing, and not entirely sure of the timing, that could be connected.

If I were DG, I would go on the show and basically lay out that's how it works, if you don't like it, well.....I'm not sure what I can tell ya! You don't have to invite me on Mike............



RE: RE: It may not have been  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2019 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14521687 djm said:
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In comment 14521368 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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for the entire league to know who they were picking. Why would having that knowledge out there ever be okay, is the point.




Youíre really going to hold DGs feet to the fire because he proclaimed that Barkley was a wonderful rb prospect weeks before the draft. Mind you, he never said he was drafting Barkley.

You guys get worked up over some strange shit sometimes.

Psó this entire debate and whether DG is bad, good, or wrong about this Francessa nonsense is 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Literally, 100% meaningless.

Pretty much everything we post here is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. You can resume your regularly scheduled knobslobbing now.
RE: RE: It may not have been  
bw in dc : 8/7/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14521687 djm said:
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Youíre really going to hold DGs feet to the fire because he proclaimed that Barkley was a wonderful rb prospect weeks before the draft. Mind you, he never said he was drafting Barkley.

You guys get worked up over some strange shit sometimes.

Psó this entire debate and whether DG is bad, good, or wrong about this Francessa nonsense is 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Literally, 100% meaningless.


I disagree. I find it very meaningful.

This is the ideal time for DG to be the bigger party. I think most agree that Francessor is being petty. But whether you like him or not, heís a NY media icon. Avoiding him because Jints Central forgot that ďsticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt meĒ is just as petty.

Itís actually a bit embarrassing that they have decided on the dove route because the narcoleptic radio host was soooo mean...

Itís crazy to me that any of you care  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 8:05 pm : link
and think him going on the show would increase your opinion of him. It doesnít matter, talking to a radio show host will never matter.

Couldnít care less about the GM personality. Either he fixes this team or he doesnít. Reese was a doormat, didnít care. All that mattered was whether we won and he did that at first then didnít, heís now gone. Him going on Francesa and playing his game wouldnít change a single thing for me not his legacy.
RE: Francessa crossed the line with his personal attacks on DG  
Jimmy Googs : 8/7/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14521386 Torrag said:
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Part of the mans job as GM of the Giants is literally keeping the teams true intentions about personnel decisions internal to the organization. It would hurt the teams future if the rest of the NFL new their real thinking.

MF went too far because he was butthurt about not having an exclusive on the Giants plans. He took bis remarks too far. They weren't about football but people and it soured the relationship. It's his fault.

Now he's over reacting by not going to camp to cover literally everyone else that's a part of the franchise? Even Eli who doesn't go on air with him anymore will be available if FAN did a camp broadcast.

Childish stuff by Mike.


Totally agree. But still think DG should go on the show, give his views (keeping them as general but fair as possible) and take the high road.

If he and the Giants are comfortable with their decisions then there is no downside...

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TrueBlue56 : 8/8/2019 12:26 am : link
In comment 14521753 bw in dc said:
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Youíre really going to hold DGs feet to the fire because he proclaimed that Barkley was a wonderful rb prospect weeks before the draft. Mind you, he never said he was drafting Barkley.

You guys get worked up over some strange shit sometimes.

Psó this entire debate and whether DG is bad, good, or wrong about this Francessa nonsense is 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Literally, 100% meaningless.



I disagree. I find it very meaningful.

This is the ideal time for DG to be the bigger party. I think most agree that Francessor is being petty. But whether you like him or not, heís a NY media icon. Avoiding him because Jints Central forgot that ďsticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt meĒ is just as petty.

Itís actually a bit embarrassing that they have decided on the dove route because the narcoleptic radio host was soooo mean...


You are making way too much out of this. The giants offered Mike the access to all of the coaches and players to do a show. Gettleman is the only one not available. Gettleman did a radio spot on SiriusXM plus he did his press conference a week ago. Tom Coughlin stopped doing his weekly radio spots with Mike while he was head coach.

Gettleman does not need to do the interview for the giants, the fans or even for wfan. The giants will not be effected in the slightest if Dave does it or not. If you want to hear what gettleman thinks about the players and team then I suggest you go on giants.com and pull up his press conference or if you have SiriusXM pull up the interview he did with Bob Papa and David Diehl.
WFAN is the Giants' flagship radio station  
GeofromNJ : 8/8/2019 12:47 am : link
and Francesa is their biggest personality. Gettleman, as the team decision maker, should agree to Francesa's request for an interview, Francesa calling him a liar and a loser notwithstanding.
RE: WFAN is the Giants' flagship radio station  
TrueBlue56 : 8/8/2019 7:16 am : link
In comment 14521947 GeofromNJ said:
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and Francesa is their biggest personality. Gettleman, as the team decision maker, should agree to Francesa's request for an interview, Francesa calling him a liar and a loser notwithstanding.


What does wfan being the flagship station have to do with it? What does Francesa being the biggest personality have to do with anything? I really don't understand this is as any kind of reasoning as to why gettleman should do an interview. Mike Francesa is not the only show in town and he is not the only media outlet available to the giants or even gettleman.

Gettleman has his reasons as to why he doesn't want to do the interview with him and he is perfectly in his right regardless of his reasons. He is under no contract or obligation.
RE: Itís crazy to me that any of you care  
arcarsenal : 8/8/2019 8:20 am : link
In comment 14521767 UConn4523 said:
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and think him going on the show would increase your opinion of him. It doesnít matter, talking to a radio show host will never matter.

Couldnít care less about the GM personality. Either he fixes this team or he doesnít. Reese was a doormat, didnít care. All that mattered was whether we won and he did that at first then didnít, heís now gone. Him going on Francesa and playing his game wouldnít change a single thing for me not his legacy.


I actually don't think it would even increase most of these guys' opinions of Gettleman at all. They just jump at any chance they get to make a big stink over anything he says or does.

Had he actually agreed to continue doing his spot with Mike, not one person criticizing him would be giving him any credit for it and probably wouldn't even listen. But since he's not - it's a big deal.

It's amazing that this thread is even what it is. This is such a non-issue in the grand scheme of things.

Oh no... the optics!
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UConn4523 : 8/8/2019 8:57 am : link
no doubt in my mind that it becomes a bigger deal if he went on the show and defended himself. It was be spun, twisted and distorted into whatever people want it to sound like. "Gettleman shouldn't have given this petulant child the time of day", "he shouldn't be so thinned skinned", etc. Basically, the exact same arguments for everything else.
Francessa wouldn't allow the  
ron mexico : 8/8/2019 9:03 am : link
conversation to be about anything he said last year anyway

Francesa  
PaulN : 8/8/2019 9:57 am : link
Is acting like a baby, but Gettleman does too, I think Gettleman was smart to stay away, no way he would be able to contain himself. He iis terrible in front of a mic. But I could care less, as long as gets the roster right. But he better be right on Jones, or it could get ugly for him andd the Giants.
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afann : 8/8/2019 10:46 am : link
You are so right because if DG went on Fatcessaís show, everyone would say that he doesnít shut up and loves to talk. DG is talking to the media and answering questions just not with the guy who said he was a loser.
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