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Pat Hanlon fires back at Francesa

Bold Ruler : Mod : 8/6/2019 8:30 pm
@giantspathanlon
Refresher: “The Giants now act like losers, they have no plan like losers, and the people running the team, in my estimation, are losers. I don’t believe a word Gettleman says. Not a word. He lied to everyone about what he was doing. ... the Giants are an utter embarrassment."
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@MikeFrancesa
For the first time in my WFAN career I will not be doing a training camp program from Giants camp. Was invited but told there would be no access to GM. Dave Gettleman should have enough confidence and conviction to explain his decisions. If he is hiding, I’ll pass.
I must be missing something...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/6/2019 8:32 pm : link
What did DG do to piss off Da Sports Pope so badly?
I hate twitter  
dep026 : 8/6/2019 8:32 pm : link
What did Hanlon say?
RE: I hate twitter  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 8/6/2019 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14520698 dep026 said:
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What did Hanlon say?


Hanlon quoted Da Pope's shit talking.
The first tweet in the opening thread  
CT Charlie : 8/6/2019 8:35 pm : link
is Hanlon's, explaining why DG would decline talking with MF.
RE: I hate twitter  
darren in pdx : 8/6/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14520698 dep026 said:
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What did Hanlon say?


Read from bottom to top. Hanlon responded with Francessa’s quote of him trashing the Giants.
RE: I must be missing something...  
Nine-Tails : 8/6/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14520697 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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What did DG do to piss off Da Sports Pope so badly?


Picking Jones at 6
Hanlon said this in response Mike saying he wont be at camp:  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/6/2019 8:36 pm : link
Refresher: “The Giants now act like losers, they have no plan like losers, and the people running the team, in my estimation, are losers. I don’t believe a word Gettleman says. Not a word. He lied to everyone about what he was doing. ... the Giants are an utter embarrassment."


Meaning, he's repeating what Francesa said about the team on his show last season. I'm far from a Francesa fan, but seems kinda weak that the GM won't go on simply because a radio host disagrees with some of his decisions? Unless I'm missing something, but that's how I read it?
Beat me to it.  
bceagle05 : 8/6/2019 8:36 pm : link
Giants invited Mike, but said Gettleman wouldn't be available - so of course Mike had to act like a baby. Hanlon tweeted again that Mike is welcome to come and talk to the coaches and players.
more...  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 8/6/2019 8:38 pm : link
@giantspathanlon
That is a long way of saying: why should he? Why would he? The owner was willing to go on. The head coach and players, too. Always welcome, Mike, as long as you’re working for our flagship partner...
Well, Mike called him a loser and a liar  
bceagle05 : 8/6/2019 8:38 pm : link
so the attacks got a little personal, beyond just criticism of job performance. I used to defend Mike, but he's awful these days. Unlistenable.
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arcarsenal : 8/6/2019 8:46 pm : link
Mike used to at least be entertaining, but he's not even that anymore.

He really should have just stayed retired. He's an awful listen now. He's doing it because he's bored at home and its easy money for him.

He's very lazy. These days, he's just riding it out on what he's known and he's too stubborn to really spend the time to understand anything else or be willing to embrace different perspectives.

Literally just an automatic channel change now for me if I get into the car and he's on. His insight is worthless now. More or less just old man yelling at cloud stuff...
So gianstock  
crick n NC : 8/6/2019 8:48 pm : link
Is Francesa?
For the PR campaign they ran  
Ned In Atlanta : 8/6/2019 8:53 pm : link
Through Vachianno it’s pretty embarrassing for DG to hide
Mike feels lied to because he  
UConn4523 : 8/6/2019 8:54 pm : link
wasn’t told we were taking Jones. He beat the pass rusher drum the weeks leading up to the draft and was wrong. Pretty hilarious how much of a child he’s acted Ike over it.

GMs are supposed to lie, that will never ever bother me as a fan.
And for all DG  
Ned In Atlanta : 8/6/2019 8:54 pm : link
Said about BPA after the Saquon pick whatever you think about Jones no one on planet earth thought he was actually BPa at 6
I don't get Mike's stance that  
St. Jimmy : 8/6/2019 8:55 pm : link
Gettleman has to announce to the world the Giants are drafting Daniel Jones at 6. It was a good listen when Ernie was waxing poetic about Eli after they fired Fossil on Mike and the Mad Dog but probably not the best strategy to announce your love for a player 4 months before the draft.
Both Hanlon and Fat Mike  
JPinstripes : 8/6/2019 8:58 pm : link
have past their time...
Arc, I think Mike mailed it in a long, long time ago.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/6/2019 8:59 pm : link
He does this summer show once a year at Bar A in Belmar & was visiting a buddy who lives in Red Bank who said we should go check it out so we did. This was '09 & someone asked him who the best Giants offensive weapon was & he said Sinorice Moss. My buddy & I looked at each with 'WTF?' facial expressions.
RE: I don't get Mike's stance that  
Nine-Tails : 8/6/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14520744 St. Jimmy said:
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Gettleman has to announce to the world the Giants are drafting Daniel Jones at 6. It was a good listen when Ernie was waxing poetic about Eli after they fired Fossil on Mike and the Mad Dog but probably not the best strategy to announce your love for a player 4 months before the draft.


I believe when Mike interviewed DG, he asked if DG would prefer to get a young qb. DG said if all goes according to plan, yes. So, it's not like this was a surprise.

IMO, one of the stupid things that the beat was saying was qb more likely at 17 than 6. DG says if they have a first rd qb, they love him, and that they would prefer to get Eli's successor. So why the notion that the Giants panicked? They had their guy and went all in.
RE: And for all DG  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/6/2019 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14520740 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Said about BPA after the Saquon pick whatever you think about Jones no one on planet earth thought he was actually BPa at 6


BPA goes out the door when taking a QB. That’s common knowledge
RE: I must be missing something...  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/6/2019 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14520697 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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What did DG do to piss off Da Sports Pope so badly?

Said there were multiple teams interested in Jones. Lies make baby Jesus cry.

Hanlon should be constantly beating Mike like fat rented mule pinata on social medis. EZ target.
RE: Arc, I think Mike mailed it in a long, long time ago.  
arcarsenal : 8/6/2019 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14520753 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He does this summer show once a year at Bar A in Belmar & was visiting a buddy who lives in Red Bank who said we should go check it out so we did. This was '09 & someone asked him who the best Giants offensive weapon was & he said Sinorice Moss. My buddy & I looked at each with 'WTF?' facial expressions.


Absolutely - he's been bad for a while. But I feel like after the retirement and that long, drawn out "goodbye" - for him to just come right back so soon was just so silly looking. And he's been noticeably worse since then.

He knows so little about the Giants now, so it's amusing to me that he threw such a hissy fit over what we did in the draft. He can't even name the 5 offensive linemen slated to start. He hasn't been able to name the linemen on this team for about a decade now. I hear him try sometimes and just bail and start saying stuff like "da gawd" and "da centah" because he doesn't know who plays in those spots.

Now more than ever, if I want to know about horse racing or get accounts of the Yankees teams from the 50's or 60's, maybe I'll see what Mike has to say.

Otherwise, I can't turn the dial fast enough.
yawn  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/6/2019 9:09 pm : link
I stopped listening to Francesa more than 10 years ago --- he's got nothing to say that I care to listen to -- yesterday's news
Wow - Gettleman passing on a opportunity to flap his gums?  
Greg from LI : 8/6/2019 9:17 pm : link
First time for everything, I suppose
_______  
I am Ninja : 8/6/2019 9:21 pm : link
the giants are and have been a fuckin joke top to bottom for years now. dont get all fuckin protective of these fuckin idiots.
RE: _______  
arcarsenal : 8/6/2019 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14520795 I am Ninja said:
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the giants are and have been a fuckin joke top to bottom for years now. dont get all fuckin protective of these fuckin idiots.


Fuckin right, bro!!!! U TELL EM.
RE: _______  
section125 : 8/6/2019 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14520795 I am Ninja said:
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the giants are and have been a fuckin joke top to bottom for years now. dont get all fuckin protective of these fuckin idiots.



....yeah ok. spoken like a true hero.
RE: Hanlon said this in response Mike saying he wont be at camp:  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/6/2019 9:23 pm : link
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Meaning, he's repeating what Francesa said about the team on his show last season. I'm far from a Francesa fan, but seems kinda weak that the GM won't go on simply because a radio host disagrees with some of his decisions? Unless I'm missing something, but that's how I read it?


"Disagrees with some of his decisions"? How cute. Francesca acted like a child. He's an immature jackass. He is beneath DG.
RE: Wow - Gettleman passing on a opportunity to flap his gums?  
djm : 8/6/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14520791 Greg from LI said:
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First time for everything, I suppose


He can’t win. Media bombards DG with question after question, most of them of the exact same variety with slightly different variations and DG tells it like it is or more importantly, tells is EXACTLY like it was. But he’s flapping his gums I guess.

What should he do? Say nothing?

Francesa is Francesa but the Giants have a credibility problem  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/6/2019 9:33 pm : link
And now they are sensitive on many fronts. The whole "Mara consults Francesa" story that ran through the interwebs irked them and this is one way of responding. The DG and Ballantine rants just added fuel to the fire.

While over the top, Mike's DG rant captured a lot of fans' feeling regarding the Jones pick, which for many was throw the remote, and the Odell trade. Can't tell you how many people I've talked to who are apathetic about the franchise.

Mike hasn't showered himself in glory but I side with him as this seems petty. Even Rex had the guts to show his face after multiple Francesa rants.
It goes back to his criticism of leadership even before  
mattlawson : 8/6/2019 9:33 pm : link
I think he never fully got over how they treated Eli in the last regime. He wants Eli in a position to win another one and go out on a high note. He blamed Reese, Mara, and of course Mac.

Now the GM comes in and says we’re going to win now- but all the moves contradict that. Mike doesn’t want to be in a position where he can’t be critical and hold people’s feet to the fire. He’s not towing any lines, and clearly he’s sick of the spin and misdirection from DG regarding the build strategy, Beckham, Eli’s future and the 2019 draft
Francesa has acted like a jilted lover..  
Sean : 8/6/2019 9:34 pm : link
since Jones was drafted.
RE: RE: Wow - Gettleman passing on a opportunity to flap his gums?  
bw in dc : 8/6/2019 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14520804 djm said:
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In comment 14520791 Greg from LI said:


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First time for everything, I suppose



He can’t win. Media bombards DG with question after question, most of them of the exact same variety with slightly different variations and DG tells it like it is or more importantly, tells is EXACTLY like it was. But he’s flapping his gums I guess.

What should he do? Say nothing?


Of course he can't win. Because DG is his own worst enemy.

Like Accorsi, he likes the limelight and he likes to talk. And that has led to a number of episodes where DG opens his mouth and quickly inserts his foot. Unlike Accoris, however, DG has never built anything from the ground up. His time in Carolina was mostly caretaker from the prior administration.

Meanwhile, he's got quite the self-proclaimed streak in him. He's been quick to remind us all of the great accomplishments he's had - from building SB winners, drafting great players, name dropping, etc.

Do you know what advice DG would be wise to heed? Less is more.
Its funny  
Nine-Tails : 8/6/2019 9:39 pm : link
when Beckham was traded, he was like the New York footbal Giants are back, great move. Then, Jones is picked, surprised Pikachu meme. And then goes on to trash them.
Francesa will bash the Giants all year long.  
Mr. Bungle : 8/6/2019 9:44 pm : link
If you don't do his show, he hates you forever.
This could be about NYG being mindful  
flycatcher : 8/6/2019 10:05 pm : link
of Gettleman’s serious health battle by shielding him from exposure to unnecessary BS.
Why be so thin skinned?  
Marty866b : 8/6/2019 10:47 pm : link
Not that any of this has any significance but if I was DG I would take on the Fat Man and tell him his plan on how he is rebuilding this team. Why take Francesa's criticism? Gettleman loves to talk and I don't see why he doesn't do so here?
AM radio... lol  
EricJ : 8/6/2019 10:59 pm : link
The Giants dont need fat mike there. There is a world of live streaming videos, pod casts and all kinds of other outlets which will reach more fans than the broadcast from WFAN using two tin cans and a piece of string.
Marty  
watertown : 8/6/2019 11:03 pm : link
Couldn’t agree more. Would make for great radio!
Francesa is an ass  
ajr2456 : 8/6/2019 11:05 pm : link
But the Giants are in the wrong here
RE: AM radio... lol  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/6/2019 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14520881 EricJ said:
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The Giants dont need fat mike there. There is a world of live streaming videos, pod casts and all kinds of other outlets which will reach more fans than the broadcast from WFAN using two tin cans and a piece of string.


WFAN is on FM radio now, too. Have been for years now, actually.
Why would anyone go on a show  
montanagiant : 8/6/2019 11:22 pm : link
Where the host has slagged on him for 7 months?

I'd think less of DG if he did it
Francesa and Gettleman the same person  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2019 11:34 pm : link
.
This says more about Mike  
UConn4523 : 8/6/2019 11:41 pm : link
than it does DG. Why feed the troll? Gettelman has better things to do than to get into pissing matches with a radio host. It isn’t “thin skinned” it’s just a waste of his time and energy.

I love Mike for what he is, but he’s 100% in the wrong here. He just can’t move on from being kicked to the curb on his insider knowledge.
I like the way this season is shaping up.....  
Britt in VA : 8/6/2019 11:46 pm : link
Feisty.
If you dont believe a word he says  
90.Cal : 8/6/2019 11:47 pm : link
Why are crying about interviewing him?
Athletes, owners, GMs, etc  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/6/2019 11:48 pm : link
get criticized on sports radio everyday. It's not unique to DG. Just seems like he has his tail tucked between his legs since Pat said Mike could talk to the owner, coach, and players, just not the GM. Not a bad look for the Giants as much as it is DG himself.
I'm missing the timeline here  
jcn56 : 8/6/2019 11:50 pm : link
Which came first - Francessa calling the Giants losers without a plan, or Gettleman refusing to do the show?

Not that it matters much, but if the Giants are starting to skirt interviews with people who criticize them, Jimmy Dolan should get on the phone and tell them to get a different schtick, that one is his.
Hey, look, no one mocks Francesa more than me  
Greg from LI : 8/7/2019 12:33 am : link
My preference is that Gettleman shut up most of the time in the first place. However, since he spends an awful lot of time bloviating to reporters anyway, this looks like rather a bitch move.
Did he do the shows last year?  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/7/2019 12:35 am : link
Was he in treatment at the time? I don't recall.
RE: Hey, look, no one mocks Francesa more than me  
Hsilwek92 : 8/7/2019 12:57 am : link
In comment 14520952 Greg from LI said:
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My preference is that Gettleman shut up most of the time in the first place. However, since he spends an awful lot of time bloviating to reporters anyway, this looks like rather a bitch move.


Bitch move is certainly the right phrase. DG likes to talk the talk like a big shot, yet he doesn’t want to face Mike Francesca? Seriously?

Weak. Fucking. Sauce.
Francesa looks awful lately by the way  
moespree : 8/7/2019 1:38 am : link
I think it's the thinnest I have ever seen him. His face is gaunt and his voice weak. If he's not intentionally trying to lose weight he probably should see a doctor.
RE: RE: Wow - Gettleman passing on a opportunity to flap his gums?  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2019 5:01 am : link
In comment 14520804 djm said:
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In comment 14520791 Greg from LI said:


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First time for everything, I suppose



He can’t win. Media bombards DG with question after question, most of them of the exact same variety with slightly different variations and DG tells it like it is or more importantly, tells is EXACTLY like it was. But he’s flapping his gums I guess.

What should he do? Say nothing?

So now speaking at length, and to anyone who will listen, in clichés, mixed metaphors, and parables equates to telling it EXACTLY like it is?

The only thing I actually gleaned from your post, as usual, is that the M in your handle must stand for Mara. Everything you post is just more of the same rah-rah bullshit from someone who is clearly rapt by every bit of spin the team has ever put out there.
WFAN  
Thinblueline : 8/7/2019 6:27 am : link
Is a joke.
RE: Hey, look, no one mocks Francesa more than me  
Stu11 : 8/7/2019 6:56 am : link
In comment 14520952 Greg from LI said:
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My preference is that Gettleman shut up most of the time in the first place. However, since he spends an awful lot of time bloviating to reporters anyway, this looks like rather a bitch move.

I agree though I think it's a total bitch move both ways. DG needs to do the stupid show but Francessa also need to haul his useless carcass up to camp and interview everyone seeing as the Giants are offering up everyone in the orginization including the waterboy besides DG.
Gettleman is not being a bitch here...  
KingBlue : 8/7/2019 7:09 am : link
To me, this is more DG saying "fuck you Francesa", than it is DG being afraid to defend his actions.
RE: RE: AM radio... lol  
EricJ : 8/7/2019 7:12 am : link
In comment 14520891 Dave in Hoboken said:
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WFAN is on FM radio now, too. Have been for years now, actually.


that should be an indication as to how long ago I stopped listening.
High pockets vs New England accent  
GiantsUA : 8/7/2019 7:14 am : link
This would be a great listen - may help revive AM radio
Fat ass acting like a little bitch after the draft  
ZogZerg : 8/7/2019 7:20 am : link
and right now. Shocker.
Who gives a rats ass about him being at Giants camp. It's the least informative piece done about camp.

It's about time the Giants gave WFAN and king douche a big "Fuck You"! But they still invited that dope. He is just refusing to go since DG won't bow down to that bitch.
Sure Mike is a Jerk...  
Jim in Tampa : 8/7/2019 7:33 am : link
But DG as the Giants' GM should have taken the high road, done the interview and addressed Mike's criticisims, face to face.

If DG is going to carry on about wanting his players to act like "adults" then maybe he should act like one too.
Wasn't it MF who had those poor things to say about Ballentine....  
Britt in VA : 8/7/2019 7:37 am : link
the day after he got shot and his friend got killed?
Don’t know why anyone would be upset  
joeinpa : 8/7/2019 7:38 am : link
With a GM says they are in win now mode, even though their actions speak differently. Don’t know what else one would expect. That said, for me, Gettleman not speaking with Mike is juvenile and a bad look
It’s only fitting that the biggest city in the world should be home to  
Spider56 : 8/7/2019 7:39 am : link
the biggest A-holes ... Francesca has become irrelevant. Bravo Giants.
RE: Wasn't it MF who had those poor things to say about Ballentine....  
ZogZerg : 8/7/2019 7:42 am : link
In comment 14521018 Britt in VA said:
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the day after he got shot and his friend got killed?


Yup. Pretty Pathetic the way he handled that.
RE: RE: Wasn't it MF who had those poor things to say about Ballentine....  
Britt in VA : 8/7/2019 7:43 am : link
In comment 14521026 ZogZerg said:
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In comment 14521018 Britt in VA said:


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the day after he got shot and his friend got killed?



Yup. Pretty Pathetic the way he handled that.


If I recall correctly, those things didn't sit very well with the Giants, and rightfully so.
I actually like Francesa more than most here  
Chris684 : 8/7/2019 8:26 am : link
but his behavior concerning the Giants at draft time was an embarrassment.

As was the bahavior of the characters I won't name on the CMB show, as was the behavior of Kim Jones during the Beckham trade.

Something has happened with media in general and it isn't good.

There were personal attacks on both Gettleman and Jones because the former drafted the latter in the NFL draft. Think about that for a second. And it wasn't just the members of the media I named above. There were many more.

Also, as bad as the Landon Collins response to the question was, shame on Garafolo for leading Collins down that path with his questioning. What I've read of Mike G. over the years he's always been better than that.
How is this different that Knicks & Daily News?  
twostepgiants : 8/7/2019 8:35 am : link
Giants are punishing a sports journalist for criticism of management
Did Reese  
jestersdead : 8/7/2019 8:38 am : link
ever back down from going on the show after taking the criticism from Francesa? Go on the show and back up your talk with da sports pope.

If your preference to not be on the show is in regards to the Ballantine comments, then allude to that.

DG could do a good job of opening up to the fan base and calming the nerves going into 2019 and the future. I think it would go a long way for a lot of people if he "explained" his plans a little bit more and no better way then in the confessional with da pope
Part of me  
Matt in SGS : 8/7/2019 8:41 am : link
thinks that you empower Francesa's sense of self worth if you duck him because he will beat the drum that "he can't take the heat of me and NY!"

However, what has fascinated me to no end in all of this was "Gettleman lied to us". WTF is that supposed to mean? We all know that in a competitive environment, corporate or sports, senior management never tells you what is going on. Decisions are made behind closed doors and the answers to the press questions are either vague or purposely misdirecting. If you don't think otherwise, you've never worked a day in a corporate environment in your life.

If anything, if I'm the Mara family, and Gettleman goes to the press and says that "yes, I'm trading Odell", I'm firing DG because guess what happens? You get an "Odell watch" going 24x7 on ESPN/NFLN/everywhere. You get Odell likely tweeting some stupid shit which hurts the Giants leverage. We get Josina Anderson quoting "sources close to Odell" on some nonsense which likely would end up trying to get him to the Rams. And you get Antonio Brown all over again where you don't get close to a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers.

What this sounds like, more than anything, was Gettleman and the Giants didn't give Big Mike the scoop as they apparently did to Jay Glazer who was tipped off that Odell was getting traded (hence his "shocking move" thing in March before the trade). Francesa's access clearly was shut off, perhaps by Gettleman and Shurmur and now he's lashing out, which is pretty much Francesa's MO for years.
RE: Did Reese  
TrueBlue56 : 8/7/2019 8:47 am : link
In comment 14521045 jestersdead said:
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ever back down from going on the show after taking the criticism from Francesa? Go on the show and back up your talk with da sports pope.

If your preference to not be on the show is in regards to the Ballantine comments, then allude to that.

DG could do a good job of opening up to the fan base and calming the nerves going into 2019 and the future. I think it would go a long way for a lot of people if he "explained" his plans a little bit more and no better way then in the confessional with da pope


He did do it on Sirius xm. He has also held media press conferences at various times through the year (end of the year, pre draft and during training camp). He doesn't need to go on Mike's show. Tom Coughlin stopped doing his show. Jerry reese rarely did his show. Mike is not the only media outlet available.

Listen to the interview Bob papa and David diehl did with gettleman on Sirius. You get more football information from that interview than listening to Mike's agenda and opinionated views overriding the conversation.
RE: Francesa is an ass  
Bill L : 8/7/2019 8:51 am : link
In comment 14520883 ajr2456 said:
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But the Giants are in the wrong here


Oh man, I so disagree with this take. There's no expletive foul enough for me to describe this take.

No person in his right mind would take the blatant and despicable insults, as quoted by Hanlon. Without a sincere upfront apology from Francesa, it would be the most de-humanizing thing in the world to play the modern day Henry IV to Da Pope (Gregory).
RE: I'm missing the timeline here  
Bill L : 8/7/2019 8:53 am : link
In comment 14520919 jcn56 said:
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Which came first - Francessa calling the Giants losers without a plan, or Gettleman refusing to do the show?

Not that it matters much, but if the Giants are starting to skirt interviews with people who criticize them, Jimmy Dolan should get on the phone and tell them to get a different schtick, that one is his.


I wold agree with you, if I could define Francesa's comments as criticism. But I don't see a scintilla of criticism in that quote. Just gratuitous name-calling.
you can't lie about a future event  
GiantNatty : 8/7/2019 8:56 am : link
you can only lie about facts. if someone says "are you going to trade Beckham," you respond "no," and then you trade him, it doesn't mean you lied - it means you changed your mind.
Calling someone a loser and a liar  
Chris684 : 8/7/2019 8:57 am : link
is a personal insult, is it not?
For years  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/7/2019 8:58 am : link
Francessa went after Rex and the Jets. They had a two year run where they were the big talk of town and then it fell apart and Mike lit into them.

I think many of these media types take calculated risks as to what they think will transpire and fit their narrative respectfully. My guess is he will ride the Darnold train this year and if the Giants falter he will be relentless on the Giants. If the Giants win it will be on deaf years but if they struggle again he will be ready to pounce.
If you act like a dick, you may lose access to the GM of a football  
Heisenberg : 8/7/2019 8:58 am : link
team. There's no reason that the Giants have to make Gettleman available after Francesser grandstanded like that and joined the legions that mocked the Giants.

The Giants don't need Francesser.
Giants have been an embarrassment for years  
aimrocky : 8/7/2019 9:02 am : link
sure, some of the details surrounding Francesa's rants aren't 100% accurate, but his overall theme is correct. The plan seems half ass'd.

RE: Arc, I think Mike mailed it in a long, long time ago.  
ATL_Giants : 8/7/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14520753 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He does this summer show once a year at Bar A in Belmar & was visiting a buddy who lives in Red Bank...

Shout out to Red Bank!
Are there really objections to calling the giants 'losers'  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/7/2019 9:04 am : link
when they've done nothing but lose in 5 of the last 6 seasons?
.  
arcarsenal : 8/7/2019 9:04 am : link
Generally speaking, I don't think teams should refuse to appear on shows just because they're being criticized. In and of itself, yes - that's weak and I wouldn't defend it.

That said, Francesa really kind of went overboard if you ask me. His comments were that of a jilted, scorned lover who is grumpy and angry that he's not getting the info he wants and they're not doing things the way he thinks they should. The comments he made crossed over into personal, unprofessional territory and I don't really blame Gettleman in this instance.

Gettleman can be obnoxious and sometimes you listen to him and just want to tell him to cool it; but it's tough for me to really fault him here.

He doesn't owe Mike a fucking thing.
There's a difference betwenn "criticism" and what Francessa did  
BillT : 8/7/2019 9:06 am : link
It's one thing to question the moves a GM makes and another to make personal attacks. I think Francessa's remarks crossed way over that line. And that's on top of the Ballentine comments which were totally out of line and bordered on the "r" word. Like to see DG go on and hold MF's feet to the fire on that and call him on being a butt hurt dick but he'd be roasted by the press for that, too. It's no win for DG and Francessa is the reason.
RE: Part of me  
TrueBlue56 : 8/7/2019 9:12 am : link
In comment 14521046 Matt in SGS said:
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thinks that you empower Francesa's sense of self worth if you duck him because he will beat the drum that "he can't take the heat of me and NY!"

However, what has fascinated me to no end in all of this was "Gettleman lied to us". WTF is that supposed to mean? We all know that in a competitive environment, corporate or sports, senior management never tells you what is going on. Decisions are made behind closed doors and the answers to the press questions are either vague or purposely misdirecting. If you don't think otherwise, you've never worked a day in a corporate environment in your life.

If anything, if I'm the Mara family, and Gettleman goes to the press and says that "yes, I'm trading Odell", I'm firing DG because guess what happens? You get an "Odell watch" going 24x7 on ESPN/NFLN/everywhere. You get Odell likely tweeting some stupid shit which hurts the Giants leverage. We get Josina Anderson quoting "sources close to Odell" on some nonsense which likely would end up trying to get him to the Rams. And you get Antonio Brown all over again where you don't get close to a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers.

What this sounds like, more than anything, was Gettleman and the Giants didn't give Big Mike the scoop as they apparently did to Jay Glazer who was tipped off that Odell was getting traded (hence his "shocking move" thing in March before the trade). Francesa's access clearly was shut off, perhaps by Gettleman and Shurmur and now he's lashing out, which is pretty much Francesa's MO for years.


The funny thing Matt, gettleman actually said to francesa that if things go as they expect, they would be drafting a quarterback in the draft. This was said during the pre draft interview Mike did with gettleman. Mike was so stuck on his opinion that either you ride with Eli or wipe the slate clean and move on. You can't do both, have Eli and a 1st round quarterback that he totally dismissed what gettleman said.

The direct question and answer in the interview.

Mike: So, we should expect a young quarterback added this year?

Dave: If everything works out...probably
So the Giants are freezing Francessa out  
Metnut : 8/7/2019 9:25 am : link
because he said some mean things? Do we really want to take the first step toward running things like the Knicks?

Francessa is a blowhard but he has the biggest radio show in NY. DG can suck it up and do a 10 minute interview spot.
RE: Part of me  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/7/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14521046 Matt in SGS said:
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thinks that you empower Francesa's sense of self worth if you duck him because he will beat the drum that "he can't take the heat of me and NY!"

However, what has fascinated me to no end in all of this was "Gettleman lied to us". WTF is that supposed to mean? We all know that in a competitive environment, corporate or sports, senior management never tells you what is going on. Decisions are made behind closed doors and the answers to the press questions are either vague or purposely misdirecting. If you don't think otherwise, you've never worked a day in a corporate environment in your life.

If anything, if I'm the Mara family, and Gettleman goes to the press and says that "yes, I'm trading Odell", I'm firing DG because guess what happens? You get an "Odell watch" going 24x7 on ESPN/NFLN/everywhere. You get Odell likely tweeting some stupid shit which hurts the Giants leverage. We get Josina Anderson quoting "sources close to Odell" on some nonsense which likely would end up trying to get him to the Rams. And you get Antonio Brown all over again where you don't get close to a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers.

What this sounds like, more than anything, was Gettleman and the Giants didn't give Big Mike the scoop as they apparently did to Jay Glazer who was tipped off that Odell was getting traded (hence his "shocking move" thing in March before the trade). Francesa's access clearly was shut off, perhaps by Gettleman and Shurmur and now he's lashing out, which is pretty much Francesa's MO for years.


This is definitely a combination of Mike feel jilted and a few years of questionable moves by the entire Giants organization.
RE: If you dont believe a word he says  
jhibb : 8/7/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14520911 90.Cal said:
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Why are crying about interviewing him?


Exactly!

I would have very little interest in speaking to someone who has very clearly stated publicly (or privately, even) that they don't believe a word I say. So I get Gettleman not making the effort to go on his show.

But like you said, I'd also have very little interest in speaking to someone when I know I don't believe a word they say. So I don't get Francesa's problem with Gettleman not coming on.

I don't tweet.  
Klaatu : 8/7/2019 9:36 am : link
It seems to me that Twitter turns everyone into a teenage girl.
I don't understand why  
Jan in DC : 8/7/2019 9:38 am : link
teams in professional sports take this media stuff so seriously. Reporters get paid to generate content, generate clicks and come up with hot takes, especially in the offseason.

Francessa ran his mouth? Shocking! It's what he has always done. And it's what all of these reporters will always do.

Does DG have conviction that he's done the right thing? Of course he does. So just talk and say that and take the rest of it for what it is. An act and a song and dance to drum up faux outrage and make Joey from Yonkers call in and go ballistic.

Most people I know have stopped listening a long time ago.

RE: RE: Part of me  
CalZone : 8/7/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14521084 TrueBlue56 said:
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Mike was so stuck on his opinion that either you ride with Eli or wipe the slate clean and move on.


The thing is, this was the most sound decision to make. Keeping Eli and drafting a QB at #6 was such a half-measure, especially with a team who is still growing to become something (not a winning team now).
A much needed pass rusher could have been added, or cap dump of 17M could have been had. If the later, the #6 pick QB would have gotten the valuable snaps he needed, from day 1.

At the end of the day, this was a lame decision by the Giants, and actually shitty for Eli. Eli would have found a team. Maybe not right away, but eventually with injuries, and a solid option for a team that is competitive.

This was Mike's feeling on it, and he was passionate about it, on behalf of both sound decision making and doing what's best for Eli.

I agreed with Mike 100% on this.
RE: I don't understand why  
jhibb : 8/7/2019 9:43 am : link
In comment 14521115 Jan in DC said:
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teams in professional sports take this media stuff so seriously. Reporters get paid to generate content, generate clicks and come up with hot takes, especially in the offseason.

Francessa ran his mouth? Shocking! It's what he has always done. And it's what all of these reporters will always do.

Does DG have conviction that he's done the right thing? Of course he does. So just talk and say that and take the rest of it for what it is. An act and a song and dance to drum up faux outrage and make Joey from Yonkers call in and go ballistic.

Most people I know have stopped listening a long time ago.


The very same logic could be used to argue that it's not worth it for DG to even bother going on his show.
The problem isn’t being able  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 9:48 am : link
to defend the pick and his decisions as GM. The problem is that Francesa is acting like a jilted lover for being “lied to” and then looking like a fool because his information was bad. He no longer has a solid “in” on Giants intel.

I know many don’t listen to Francesa but I do and leading up to the draft he wasn’t like this. His tune changed once he was “lied to” and has been on attack mode ever since. You cant reason with someone like that, and Gettleman should be discussing football, not hurt feelings by talkshow hosts.

0 chance I give Mike the time of day either after acting like that.
I didn't read this thread but I saw the tweet  
arniefez : 8/7/2019 9:49 am : link
from Hanlon. Doesn't matter much to me I wouldn't have listened anyway but Francesa has been sucking up to the Mara's for 30 years. It's typical that the one time he does one of his entertainment rants that they don't like Gettleman and Hanlon the two thin skinned bullies they employee as faces of their franchise race to the rescue. Right in character for the Giants. Nothing new. If Wellington was still alive he would be counting tweets from sportswriters instead of measuring the columns in the NY Times to see if the Giants were getting more than the Jets. This is who the Mara's are.
RE: Francesa will bash the Giants all year long.  
The_Boss : 8/7/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14520829 Mr. Bungle said:
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If you don't do his show, he hates you forever.


If they look inept/boring/weak, he’s going to shit on DG and Shurmer hard. If they’re losing, but signs are there of competence, he might go the route of “this is a young team who needs to lean how to win in this league”.
If it was only about a criticism  
GeoMan999 : 8/7/2019 9:49 am : link
That would be ok. But Francesca was mad that he had not been told they were taking Jones!! How absolutely childish can you be!!

I am ok with DG telling Francesca to go F himself!!
CalZone  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 9:51 am : link
again, the decision isn’t what the problem between the two is. It’s personal with Mike, as I’ve stated above. This isn’t a GM not wanting to answer football questions, he does that all the time.

So if he answers questions on the draft and Beckham and everything else with tons of different reporters, is the problem with DG or the guy who notoriously hates anyone that won’t talk to him?
The haughtiness...  
bw in dc : 8/7/2019 9:51 am : link
and phoniness of Jints Central.

One of the supposed reasons why Jones was drafted was because the great decision makers at Jints Central were confident he could manage and deal with the big, bad, mean NY press. Jones could follow in Eli's footsteps and be a real grown up.

But now these sages don't want to deal with the big, bad, mean NY press because one of them hurt their feelings by criticizing their delicate GM.

How absolutely perfect...
I have a feeling that from the Giants perspective  
Chris684 : 8/7/2019 9:53 am : link
this has a lot more to do with the fact that Francesa claimed to know Eli's intentions regarding his spot on Mike's show as it related to the selection of Daniel Jones.

Francesa single-handedly created a PR storm for the Giants that they did not need around the team.

again, I actually listen to Francesa every day and if you don't think his behavior in April regarding all of this was out of line, you were either not listening or not paying attention.
I think anyone who gives the finger to the media  
dep026 : 8/7/2019 9:54 am : link
is ok with me.
bw  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 9:56 am : link
that isn’t what’s happening here.

I challenge anyone to listen to the audio of mike his first day on air after the draft and tell me that’s someone worth speaking to. Mike got bad info and now he hates Gettleman, that’s childish and not worth Gettelmans time.

Also, Eli isn’t doing Mikes show either because he’s tired of being asked about his last year, when will he be benched, etc. is he in the wrong too?
.  
arcarsenal : 8/7/2019 9:58 am : link
Amazing to me that half the people on this thread are actually defending Francesa here.

Go back and listen to how fucking childish and unprofessional he acted after the draft. Why does Dave Gettleman owe him anything? Because he's the media?

Fuck that. No one has to bow down to Mike Francesa.
RE: The haughtiness...  
Chris684 : 8/7/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14521128 bw in dc said:
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and phoniness of Jints Central.

One of the supposed reasons why Jones was drafted was because the great decision makers at Jints Central were confident he could manage and deal with the big, bad, mean NY press. Jones could follow in Eli's footsteps and be a real grown up.

But now these sages don't want to deal with the big, bad, mean NY press because one of them hurt their feelings by criticizing their delicate GM.

How absolutely perfect...


Funny how the GM is being called "delicate" by all of the moronic fans who claim to know more about football than him, are mad that he once referenced God, and poked a little fun at analytics. Many can not get over this.

If he's so delicate, why does he have a reputation for being so cut throat when it comes to turning over a roster?

This is probably coming directly from Mara in response to Mike making a dick public relations move against the Giants by announcing he knew what Eli's intentions were based off of drafting Jones.
If I had to guess  
ghost718 : 8/7/2019 10:07 am : link
Francesa knows the Giants are probably pissed,so he comes up with this Me vs The GM as an excuse not to show up.Also feeds the ego, similar to Me Vs Shockey and countless other examples.
Look - Francesa's an asshole and there's no denying it  
jcn56 : 8/7/2019 10:09 am : link
And this is his game - to stir shit up and get ratings.

He's a frikkin loon if his complaint is that the Giants weren't up front with him about their draft plans before the draft. There isn't a reasonable person in the world, Giants fan or not, that would expect them to be honest with Francesa about their intentions before the draft took place.

All that said - if you don't like your treatment, you either go there and get in his face about it, or you take an interview and duck any stupid questions and give him basic, bland answers. Doing this just kicks up the circus and makes them look weak.
RE: And for all DG  
Dr. D : 8/7/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14520740 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Said about BPA after the Saquon pick whatever you think about Jones no one on planet earth thought he was actually BPa at 6

Current college BPA does not apply when you're drafting future NFL franchise QB.

Yes, they passed on Darnold for Saquon, but you have to factor in that Saquon is viewed as a once in generation future gold jacket wearer, Eli still had 2 years on contract (and maybe they just weren't that in love with Darnold).

None of this means DG is clueless, has no plan, is a bad guy, etc.
Jcn  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 10:12 am : link
it falls in the area of “not everyone will be pleased”. I see no point in stroking Mikes ego after he threw a temper tantrum and trashed the organization while calling DG a liar. You see that as a weakness, I see that as DG probably having a lot better things to do.

He won’t win if he goes on with Mike. We all know it. He’s better off moving on, IMO.
RE: Jcn  
jcn56 : 8/7/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14521152 UConn4523 said:
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it falls in the area of “not everyone will be pleased”. I see no point in stroking Mikes ego after he threw a temper tantrum and trashed the organization while calling DG a liar. You see that as a weakness, I see that as DG probably having a lot better things to do.

He won’t win if he goes on with Mike. We all know it. He’s better off moving on, IMO.


The GM gets paid to do these interviews - he's got better things to do, but this is part of his job description, it's not like he's going out fishing.

And maybe he won't "win" - but by ducking it and sending Hanlon out to do his talking, he's opening the door to more negative press and reaction. He wants fearless adults if I recall correctly - is avoiding this interview the message he wants to send? Would a fearless adult be afraid to spend a few minutes on the radio with Francesa?

Personally, if he called me a liar I'd want a piece of him on the air, but that wouldn't help either.
Just something we won’t agree on  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 10:17 am : link
it’s all good
WTF is wrong with a GM trying to balance  
Dr. D : 8/7/2019 10:18 am : link
winning now and at the same time drafting the future franchise QB to replace the 38 yr old QB who's on the last year of his contract?

I don't blame DG or Eli for not wanting to waste their time talking to that loudmouth asshole.

You guys are laying this personally at the feet of Gettleman...  
Chris684 : 8/7/2019 10:21 am : link
It seems to me the Giants as an organization have dis-invited Francesa from their training camp.

Maybe it's Hanlon's decision?

Maybe it come directly from Mara?

The Giants are a business at the end of the day. Francesa really caused a lot of headaches for them in April by seemingly go public with stuff that either wasn't true, or the Giants wouldn't have wanted public even if it was.
RE: The haughtiness...  
Bill L : 8/7/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14521128 bw in dc said:
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and phoniness of Jints Central.

One of the supposed reasons why Jones was drafted was because the great decision makers at Jints Central were confident he could manage and deal with the big, bad, mean NY press. Jones could follow in Eli's footsteps and be a real grown up.

But now these sages don't want to deal with the big, bad, mean NY press because one of them hurt their feelings by criticizing their delicate GM.

How absolutely perfect...


C'mon. If someone called you a fucking asshole, whether on a radio show or even in private conversation, you're not going to go out of your way to do the guy a favor. I don't believe that for a second.
I like Gettleman  
Harvest Blend : 8/7/2019 10:23 am : link
even more now. Francesa's always been a douche.
I just think there is way too much of this going on in society  
Stu11 : 8/7/2019 10:25 am : link
not just sports, where public figures are picking and choosing media based on who's nice to them. You think this is the first time a media figure has been tough on a person? Anyone read a Dick Young/ Jimmy Breslin column over decades? I though one of the best radio spots I ever heard was the night Steinbrenner's suspension ended and he went on WFAN at midnight with Suzyn Waldman. Now of course she's a fangirl, but he took calls for over an hour, and not just screened fanboy ones. True fans really giving it to him. He took it and didn't get defensive. You know what I really respected him for that. Like I said both parties are at fault here. Frances is a big fucking baby who thinks its 25 years ago and that anyone give a shit about him, but DG should be doing the show to explain what the plan is. Public figures make themselves more irrelevant when they avoid the heat.
RE: You guys are laying this personally at the feet of Gettleman...  
jcn56 : 8/7/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14521160 Chris684 said:
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It seems to me the Giants as an organization have dis-invited Francesa from their training camp.

Maybe it's Hanlon's decision?

Maybe it come directly from Mara?

The Giants are a business at the end of the day. Francesa really caused a lot of headaches for them in April by seemingly go public with stuff that either wasn't true, or the Giants wouldn't have wanted public even if it was.


Maybe - but if that's the case the cowboy straight shooter Gettleman you guys seem to think exists is weak enough to be sidelined by the Giants organization and unable to take a media interview.

I highly doubt that's the case. At least I hope it's not the case, because if it is the Giants are more dysfunctional than I thought.
RE: You guys are laying this personally at the feet of Gettleman...  
Bill L : 8/7/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14521160 Chris684 said:
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It seems to me the Giants as an organization have dis-invited Francesa from their training camp.

Maybe it's Hanlon's decision?

Maybe it come directly from Mara?

The Giants are a business at the end of the day. Francesa really caused a lot of headaches for them in April by seemingly go public with stuff that either wasn't true, or the Giants wouldn't have wanted public even if it was.


I didn't see them dis-inviting him. They said that he was welcome to come to camp and speak with anyone...Shurmer, players, etc...except Gettleman. It sounds like Mike dis-invited himself
RE: RE: The haughtiness...  
jcn56 : 8/7/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14521163 Bill L said:
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In comment 14521128 bw in dc said:


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and phoniness of Jints Central.

One of the supposed reasons why Jones was drafted was because the great decision makers at Jints Central were confident he could manage and deal with the big, bad, mean NY press. Jones could follow in Eli's footsteps and be a real grown up.

But now these sages don't want to deal with the big, bad, mean NY press because one of them hurt their feelings by criticizing their delicate GM.

How absolutely perfect...



C'mon. If someone called you a fucking asshole, whether on a radio show or even in private conversation, you're not going to go out of your way to do the guy a favor. I don't believe that for a second.


Taking an interview request isn't a "favor" for the GM of a professional football team.

I'm telling you - you guys are sounding more and more like James Dolan. Let that one sink in a bit.
RE: Hanlon said this in response Mike saying he wont be at camp:  
santacruzom : 8/7/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14520708 Dave in Hoboken said:
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I'm far from a Francesa fan, but seems kinda weak that the GM won't go on simply because a radio host disagrees with some of his decisions


Yeah, seems like something that Snyder would be excoriated for.
RE: Mike feels lied to because he  
santacruzom : 8/7/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14520739 UConn4523 said:
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wasn’t told we were taking Jones.


THAT'S why he feels lied to? Holy shit. I never listen to him, so my assumption was that he was referring to the whole "We didn't sign OBJ to trade hin" thing.
Francesa calling someone a liar?  
Gene : 8/7/2019 10:35 am : link
Talk about somebody with a total lack of self awareness! oooof.

It's mind numbing that people still listen to that fraud.
Bad look for the Giants and thin-skinned DG  
Oscar : 8/7/2019 10:40 am : link
You have a big boy job in the biggest market in the country, face the heat.
Francesa does deserve better  
twostepgiants : 8/7/2019 10:41 am : link
He is the biggest and most famous sports voice in NY with a prime spot on their “flagship partner” radio station and has for the better part of 30 years.

The NY Giants have used and benefitted from this platform for management, coaches and players alike for the better part of 30 years.

he has given his fair share of criticism (and praise) but for the better part of 30 years no one would say that Mike Francesa has been an enemy of the Giants. He is not Frank Isola to the Knicks.

And I don’t think giving an interview to Francesa is “bowing down at the altar” or “kissing the ring” etc.

It’s probabky what’s been happening for 30 years.
RE: RE: Mike feels lied to because he  
jcn56 : 8/7/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14521178 santacruzom said:
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In comment 14520739 UConn4523 said:


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wasn’t told we were taking Jones.



THAT'S why he feels lied to? Holy shit. I never listen to him, so my assumption was that he was referring to the whole "We didn't sign OBJ to trade hin" thing.


I don't think he ever spelled it out but I'm pretty sure it was about the draft. And not so much selecting Jones, but the selection of a QB in general.

And obviously, Francesa is off his rocker. Not sure whether it's because he wants the ratings (which would make it pure genius, the guy makes a lot more money than I do), or if he's just nuts. But either way, he's got a platform and he's going to use it. And the Giants would be much better off trying to offset that than play right into his hands, which is what this is doing.
fact is our GM acts like a tough guy  
Shirk130 : 8/7/2019 10:55 am : link
and then hides from tough questions.
RE: So the Giants are freezing Francessa out  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/7/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14521090 Metnut said:
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because he said some mean things? Do we really want to take the first step toward running things like the Knicks?

Francessa is a blowhard but he has the biggest radio show in NY. DG can suck it up and do a 10 minute interview spot.


The only guy who isn’t talking to him is DG. He’s not lost access to anyone else. Fuck this clown. The comments he made on Ballentine would have gotten a lot of guys tossed off the air.
Gettleman  
Les in TO : 8/7/2019 10:59 am : link
Is not going to grant special media access to someone who has treated him with such disrespect. Words have consequences
Francesa  
DCOrange : 8/7/2019 11:00 am : link
It is obvious Mike is not the king at WFAN anymore when all the other hosts take shots at him anytime they want to without fear of management. Boomer's co-host mocked Francesa when they were at Giant's camp. Sent his regards to DG and laughed at how much Mike would be missed. Mike can say it does not bother him but when almost everyone at your company with a voice mocks you and your management does nothing it has to get to him.
Francesca likely  
Les in TO : 8/7/2019 11:05 am : link
Is not as powerful as he was in the past. People have satellite radio, podcasts and audiobooks as substitutes for traditional radio. More people telecommute or ride their bikes into work. I rarely listen to traditional radio anymore.
RE: Francesa  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2019 11:07 am : link
In comment 14521200 DCOrange said:
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It is obvious Mike is not the king at WFAN anymore when all the other hosts take shots at him anytime they want to without fear of management. Boomer's co-host mocked Francesa when they were at Giant's camp. Sent his regards to DG and laughed at how much Mike would be missed. Mike can say it does not bother him but when almost everyone at your company with a voice mocks you and your management does nothing it has to get to him.

Boo Effing Hoo. They all had to participate in his farewell tour and he didn't even stay retired for 6 months. Add to that, the only host on the station who does less preparation than Francesa is probably Benigno, who seems like he's hearing everything for the first time live on the air.

Let him go pimp his app to people who are dumb enough to plunk down $9 a month for it and clear the timeslot for a host who actually knows what he's talking about anymore.
So Reese let everyone and their mother know  
cjac : 8/7/2019 11:07 am : link
he wanted to take Leonard Floyd 3 years ago

He was crushed for letting everyone know about it and the Bears leap frogged us to take him.

Now we have a GM who puts up smoke screens and did not let anyone know what his intensions were, and some Ahole Media Diva is ripping him apart for that.

My feelings about this are.... fuck Mike F
RE: you can't lie about a future event  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14521061 GiantNatty said:
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you can only lie about facts. if someone says "are you going to trade Beckham," you respond "no," and then you trade him, it doesn't mean you lied - it means you changed your mind.

That's not entirely true. If, just using your example, you know you're going to trade Beckham and still say "no," then you're lying.

If you're planning a surprise party for someone and they ask you if you're going to throw them a party, are you lying when you say no? Or did you just change your mind when you yell "surprise!"?
RE: So Reese let everyone and their mother know  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/7/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14521206 cjac said:
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he wanted to take Leonard Floyd 3 years ago

He was crushed for letting everyone know about it and the Bears leap frogged us to take him.

Now we have a GM who puts up smoke screens and did not let anyone know what his intensions were, and some Ahole Media Diva is ripping him apart for that.

My feelings about this are.... fuck Mike F


Nobody's allowed to say he "puts up smokescreens" after the Barkley draft.
RE: bw  
bw in dc : 8/7/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14521134 UConn4523 said:
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that isn’t what’s happening here.

I challenge anyone to listen to the audio of mike his first day on air after the draft and tell me that’s someone worth speaking to. Mike got bad info and now he hates Gettleman, that’s childish and not worth Gettelmans time.

Also, Eli isn’t doing Mikes show either because he’s tired of being asked about his last year, when will he be benched, etc. is he in the wrong too?


Let me counter this with this:

I am one of Eli's biggest critics. But let me tell you something about him that I admire. A few years ago, Bayless and Sharpe, for their FSI show, was on location at the SB. Bayless has been a relentless critic of Eli. He's called Eli's pass to Tyree the luckiest play in history, Eli's overrated, he's a turnover machine, etc.

The last place you would think Eli would show up is on Bayless' show. But low and behold, I had the show on in my office and Eli showed up. Granted, he was hawking a product, but he was there nonetheless. And my guess is Eli could have told the sponsor he didn't want to do the show.

Instead, he sat right across from Bayless, listened to Bayless' act, answered all of the questions, and thanked them both for the invite. It was a real class act.

So if Eli can deal with that, and he's far more important in NY sports history that DG, than DG should act like an adult and do Francessa's show...regardless of Mike's non-flattering rants...

I listened to Mike's rant on the radio live  
Rjanyg : 8/7/2019 11:21 am : link
He completely freaked out about how the Giants should have cut Manning if they were drafting a QB in the first round.

I really don't get this stance, like every team that invests a 1st round pick in a QB needs to start him right away. That is not a given and Mike acted like a know it all the whole rant.

Gettlemen actually told Mike they may take a QB. Not many thought it would be Jones especially at 6. I was pissed we passed on Josh Allen because he is the guy I wanted NYG to select at far back as last October. If anything I thought at pick 17 Jones would be ok, as long as they Got a front 7 pass rusher.

Bottom line, DG had a conviction on a QB, a year after everybody bitched and moaned about taking Barkley over Darnold. People are still bitching about that.

Barkley was the best player in the last 3 drafts. He is a Giant. Daniel Jones will succeed Eli Manning at some point.

Francesa needs to either accept this or shut the f up.
Mike would just talk over top of them like he does  
Jan in DC : 8/7/2019 11:23 am : link
everyone else anyways.
RE: I like Gettleman  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/7/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14521166 Harvest Blend said:
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even more now. Francesa's always been a douche.

He's pissing off all the right people. OBJ, Collins, Norman, Steve Smith, Carolina GM Olsen fanboy.
RE: fact is our GM acts like a tough guy  
Bill L : 8/7/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14521191 Shirk130 said:
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and then hides from tough questions.

Why is he obligated to specifically speak to Francesa? Is he required to accept any and every interview request? If I asked to interview him this afternoon, would he be obligated to accept, lest his manhood be questioned?

I've seen interviews with DG recently. Defenderdawg had one linked yesterday, in fact. He had a press conference at least once during this training camp. Eric had the transcript up. That doesn't sound like he was hiding to me. And, I don't recall any questions that he was afraid to answer.
RE: RE: bw  
Les in TO : 8/7/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14521228 bw in dc said:
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that isn’t what’s happening here.

I challenge anyone to listen to the audio of mike his first day on air after the draft and tell me that’s someone worth speaking to. Mike got bad info and now he hates Gettleman, that’s childish and not worth Gettelmans time.

Also, Eli isn’t doing Mikes show either because he’s tired of being asked about his last year, when will he be benched, etc. is he in the wrong too?



Let me counter this with this:

I am one of Eli's biggest critics. But let me tell you something about him that I admire. A few years ago, Bayless and Sharpe, for their FSI show, was on location at the SB. Bayless has been a relentless critic of Eli. He's called Eli's pass to Tyree the luckiest play in history, Eli's overrated, he's a turnover machine, etc.

The last place you would think Eli would show up is on Bayless' show. But low and behold, I had the show on in my office and Eli showed up. Granted, he was hawking a product, but he was there nonetheless. And my guess is Eli could have told the sponsor he didn't want to do the show.

Instead, he sat right across from Bayless, listened to Bayless' act, answered all of the questions, and thanked them both for the invite. It was a real class act.

So if Eli can deal with that, and he's far more important in NY sports history that DG, than DG should act like an adult and do Francessa's show...regardless of Mike's non-flattering rants...
the difference is Eli likely had a contractual obligation to fulfill from his sponsor to go on that program. If DG doesn’t have to go on the show, why should he give time and attention to someone who calls him a loser, an embarrassment and a liar?
RE: RE: So Reese let everyone and their mother know  
Bill L : 8/7/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14521221 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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he wanted to take Leonard Floyd 3 years ago

He was crushed for letting everyone know about it and the Bears leap frogged us to take him.

Now we have a GM who puts up smoke screens and did not let anyone know what his intensions were, and some Ahole Media Diva is ripping him apart for that.

My feelings about this are.... fuck Mike F



Nobody's allowed to say he "puts up smokescreens" after the Barkley draft.


Even you would have to admit, that there's more chances of people jumping in front of you at #6 than there is at #2. Aren't there?
RE: RE: bw  
Bill L : 8/7/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14521228 bw in dc said:
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...regardless of Mike's non-flattering rants...


I would say that your spite has made you over-prone to euphemism in this case.
RE: The haughtiness...  
jhibb : 8/7/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14521128 bw in dc said:
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and phoniness of Jints Central.

One of the supposed reasons why Jones was drafted was because the great decision makers at Jints Central were confident he could manage and deal with the big, bad, mean NY press. Jones could follow in Eli's footsteps and be a real grown up.

But now these sages don't want to deal with the big, bad, mean NY press because one of them hurt their feelings by criticizing their delicate GM.

How absolutely perfect...


Part of the game of managing and dealing with the press is knowing when you should simply ignore one member of it who is acting unprofessionally. If I were a GM or other exec and had a player who was the subject of a rant by a media member - calling him a loser and saying that he didn't believe a word he said - I would definitely try not to have that player grant an interview to that media member.

I don't care if bwcentral would call that delicate or immature. I would simply call it being smart.
One has to ask, if someone said those things about me, would I talk to  
Ira : 8/7/2019 12:04 pm : link
him. Most of us would say no.
RE: RE: RE: bw  
jhibb : 8/7/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14521262 Les in TO said:
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the difference is Eli likely had a contractual obligation to fulfill from his sponsor to go on that program. If DG doesn’t have to go on the show, why should he give time and attention to someone who calls him a loser, an embarrassment and a liar?


Agreed. And there's also a big difference between saying someone is "lucky and overrated" and saying someone is "a loser, an embarrassment and a liar."
RE: RE: RE: bw  
bw in dc : 8/7/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14521262 Les in TO said:
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In comment 14521228 bw in dc said:




Let me counter this with this:

I am one of Eli's biggest critics. But let me tell you something about him that I admire. A few years ago, Bayless and Sharpe, for their FSI show, was on location at the SB. Bayless has been a relentless critic of Eli. He's called Eli's pass to Tyree the luckiest play in history, Eli's overrated, he's a turnover machine, etc.

The last place you would think Eli would show up is on Bayless' show. But low and behold, I had the show on in my office and Eli showed up. Granted, he was hawking a product, but he was there nonetheless. And my guess is Eli could have told the sponsor he didn't want to do the show.

Instead, he sat right across from Bayless, listened to Bayless' act, answered all of the questions, and thanked them both for the invite. It was a real class act.

So if Eli can deal with that, and he's far more important in NY sports history that DG, than DG should act like an adult and do Francessa's show...regardless of Mike's non-flattering rants...


the difference is Eli likely had a contractual obligation to fulfill from his sponsor to go on that program. If DG doesn’t have to go on the show, why should he give time and attention to someone who calls him a loser, an embarrassment and a liar?


I am going the other way. If Eli didn't want to do a specific show, he and Condon have enough clout to bargain the conditions of the sale. My guess is the sponsor gave Eli/Condon the shows they were targeting, and Eli had final say. No expert, but I think that's how those situations likely work...

Like it or not, Mike is an icon in NYC. I think DG appearing on the show would be a good way to confront Mike's claims and be the bigger guy (figuratively of course ;) ).

Look at Brady and WEEI. The host of the morning show called Brady's daughter a piss ant. When you attack family, that's a different level, right? Brady still showed up, and WEEI suspended the host. But Brady came out publicly and stated that the host shouldn't be fired over one mistake. And that he supported the guy coming back on the air. Not entirely apples to apples, but you get my drift...
RE: fact is our GM acts like a tough guy  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14521191 Shirk130 said:
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and then hides from tough questions.


He just answered the questions, you can see for yourself in the SI article posted in another active thread.

Since when does not bowing down to Francesa mean he doesn’t answer questions? Francesa would be asking him the same questions he’s already answered, only he’d make it personal. Not sure why some of you can’t see the difference.

It’s fine if you think it’s a bad look, can’t argue how it makes you feel. But some of the info here isn’t accurate.
Whatever  
HomerJones45 : 8/7/2019 12:18 pm : link
this is such a sideshow. Gettlemen got rid of all the vets and has his guys and his coach. If he wins, then he deserves the accolades, and if he doesn't he and his coach should be out on the street and his relationship with GM Jr won't save him.
Francessa's comments were rude and personnel. Even DG's worst  
Ira : 8/7/2019 12:25 pm : link
critics on this thread wouldn't give anyone the time of day who insulted him in that way, nor should they.
RE: I just think there is way too much of this going on in society  
regulator : 8/7/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14521167 Stu11 said:
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not just sports, where public figures are picking and choosing media based on who's nice to them. You think this is the first time a media figure has been tough on a person? Anyone read a Dick Young/ Jimmy Breslin column over decades? I though one of the best radio spots I ever heard was the night Steinbrenner's suspension ended and he went on WFAN at midnight with Suzyn Waldman. Now of course she's a fangirl, but he took calls for over an hour, and not just screened fanboy ones. True fans really giving it to him. He took it and didn't get defensive. You know what I really respected him for that. Like I said both parties are at fault here. Frances is a big fucking baby who thinks its 25 years ago and that anyone give a shit about him, but DG should be doing the show to explain what the plan is. Public figures make themselves more irrelevant when they avoid the heat.


There's certainly less civility than ever in journalism, so I don't blame necessarily blame people (politicians or otherwise) for declining interviews with certain people from whom an attack is all but assured. Some of it is driven by our media consumption: journalists get a lot more mileage out of a widely-shared, incendiary tweet or soundbite than they do a thoughtful, reasoned discussion.
So, that becomes the primary objective of such an interview. It's why we are just as unlikely to see Donald Trump sit down for an interview with a Rachel Maddow as we are AOC to meet with someone like Tucker Carlson. The interview undoubtedly draws a lot of attention, and the subject walks into the inevitable buzzsaw unless a combative tone is struck from the jump, and so it goes.

Bottom line, Mike would be loaded for bear in an interview with Gettleman, and their styles don't really mix. It just wouldn't be a good look for the Giants.
RE: RE: So Reese let everyone and their mother know  
cjac : 8/7/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14521221 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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he wanted to take Leonard Floyd 3 years ago

He was crushed for letting everyone know about it and the Bears leap frogged us to take him.

Now we have a GM who puts up smoke screens and did not let anyone know what his intensions were, and some Ahole Media Diva is ripping him apart for that.

My feelings about this are.... fuck Mike F



Nobody's allowed to say he "puts up smokescreens" after the Barkley draft.


But he (and everyone else) knew the Browns were going to take Mayfield, thats a completely different situation
Weak  
Thegratefulhead : 8/7/2019 12:58 pm : link
I hate MF, piece of garbage. I would expect someone as strong as DG to be able handle MF. I find this cowardly. I would prefer he go on with MF as a hostile interview and challenge MF for his bullshit. I personally want to be able address the people that criticize me.
RE: RE: So Reese let everyone and their mother know  
Dr. D : 8/7/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14521221 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14521206 cjac said:


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he wanted to take Leonard Floyd 3 years ago

He was crushed for letting everyone know about it and the Bears leap frogged us to take him.

Now we have a GM who puts up smoke screens and did not let anyone know what his intensions were, and some Ahole Media Diva is ripping him apart for that.

My feelings about this are.... fuck Mike F



Nobody's allowed to say he "puts up smokescreens" after the Barkley draft.

You do understand that the Giants had the #2 pick in '18, right? Meaning that smokescreens weren't necessary (knowing that the only team picking in front of them was taking a QB)?
It may not have been "necessary", but it also isn't cause  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/7/2019 1:13 pm : link
for the entire league to know who they were picking. Why would having that knowledge out there ever be okay, is the point.
I don't think DG is the only GM  
Dr. D : 8/7/2019 1:16 pm : link
who didn't think it was necessary to smokescreen when they were picking #1 or 2 (when #1 is certain).

Francessa crossed the line with his personal attacks on DG  
Torrag : 8/7/2019 1:22 pm : link
Part of the mans job as GM of the Giants is literally keeping the teams true intentions about personnel decisions internal to the organization. It would hurt the teams future if the rest of the NFL new their real thinking.

MF went too far because he was butthurt about not having an exclusive on the Giants plans. He took bis remarks too far. They weren't about football but people and it soured the relationship. It's his fault.

Now he's over reacting by not going to camp to cover literally everyone else that's a part of the franchise? Even Eli who doesn't go on air with him anymore will be available if FAN did a camp broadcast.

Childish stuff by Mike.
Torrag  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 1:24 pm : link
yup
RE: Weak  
Mr. Bungle : 8/7/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14521348 Thegratefulhead said:
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I would prefer he go on with MF as a hostile interview and challenge MF for his bullshit.

Which would reward Francesa with ratings and publicity.
Francesca is Irrelevant  
clatterbuck : 8/7/2019 1:36 pm : link
in NY. Nobody cares any more.
There are two things that annoyed Francesa, IMO  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2019 1:58 pm : link
1) he felt like he was out of the loop with the Giants' draft intentions (as he should have been).

2) he seems to have decided that the Giants' decision to draft Jones is what led to Eli withdrawing from his weekly appearance (let's be honest, most fans would tune in to hear Eli, not Francesa, so this does suck for him, even though we've discussed previously and ad nauseam that Eli had already withdrawn before the draft).
I used to listen to the Pope because he was entertaining and even  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/7/2019 2:09 pm : link
respected his insight into the NFL as far as an around the league perspective. The last five years though they game has completely passed him by as far as understanding football.

Pope also has this super annoying quality where he will trash anyone that doesn't do his show and kiss the ass of the people that do. Pope is just pissed because he is getting boxed out. The Giants have been victim to him because he was the most powerful voice locally. Key word there is was. You don't need to have the Pope on your side anymore to quell dissatisfaction of the masses. And if he had the same pull as he used to it would have been wise for DJ to do his show like Eli has. He doesn't have that pull anymore. He is old man yelling at clouds territory.

His take on the April draft is pretty much because he wasn't privy to inside info anymore and he threw a hissy fit. Guy has a ridiculously inflated opinion of himself and may have been true once upon a time. Reminds me of the hot chick that has aged out and doesn't handle it very well.
RE: There are two things that annoyed Francesa, IMO  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/7/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14521432 Gatorade Dunk said:
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1) he felt like he was out of the loop with the Giants' draft intentions (as he should have been).

2) he seems to have decided that the Giants' decision to draft Jones is what led to Eli withdrawing from his weekly appearance (let's be honest, most fans would tune in to hear Eli, not Francesa, so this does suck for him, even though we've discussed previously and ad nauseam that Eli had already withdrawn before the draft).


Honestly, after a few brutal Eli performances this past couple years I'd tune in to hear would Pope would ask him, but softball city. Why anyone ever listens to those is beyond me, you know Eli isn't going to say anthing other than repeating the same 3 things over and over again after a loss. Could probably recite in my sleep by now and I've heard maybe 15 post game interviews/pressers from him. I'm much more interested in waht the coach has to say because he may actually give some insight.
"And these are the Days of our Giants"  
micky : 8/7/2019 4:18 pm : link
Soap will continue after these commercial .....
I have listened to Francesca only a few times  
Scyber : 8/7/2019 4:35 pm : link
And I don't understand why anyone would listen to him regularly.
I think Gettleman is doing exactly  
Jersey55 : 8/7/2019 4:43 pm : link
what needs to be done to an ego maniac like Francesca, put him in his place and show him he's just a loud mouthed jerk off...
RE: There are two things that annoyed Francesa, IMO  
upnyg : 8/7/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14521432 Gatorade Dunk said:
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1) he felt like he was out of the loop with the Giants' draft intentions (as he should have been).

2) he seems to have decided that the Giants' decision to draft Jones is what led to Eli withdrawing from his weekly appearance (let's be honest, most fans would tune in to hear Eli, not Francesa, so this does suck for him, even though we've discussed previously and ad nauseam that Eli had already withdrawn before the draft).


That's pretty much it!
RE: RE: So Reese let everyone and their mother know  
djm : 8/7/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14521221 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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he wanted to take Leonard Floyd 3 years ago

He was crushed for letting everyone know about it and the Bears leap frogged us to take him.

Now we have a GM who puts up smoke screens and did not let anyone know what his intensions were, and some Ahole Media Diva is ripping him apart for that.

My feelings about this are.... fuck Mike F



Nobody's allowed to say he "puts up smokescreens" after the Barkley draft.


Right because everyone just knew we were taking jones at six.

Please just stop with this smoke screen nonsense.
RE: It may not have been  
djm : 8/7/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14521368 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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for the entire league to know who they were picking. Why would having that knowledge out there ever be okay, is the point.



You’re really going to hold DGs feet to the fire because he proclaimed that Barkley was a wonderful rb prospect weeks before the draft. Mind you, he never said he was drafting Barkley.

You guys get worked up over some strange shit sometimes.

Ps— this entire debate and whether DG is bad, good, or wrong about this Francessa nonsense is 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Literally, 100% meaningless.
RE:  
djm : 8/7/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14521610 micky said:
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Soap will continue after these commercial .....


Change giants to NYG fan base and media.
I like Francessa too......  
BillKo : 8/7/2019 6:37 pm : link
....who the hell else is there to listen to on terrestrial radio?

But why would DG need to be completely honest, or revealing, with what the Giants were up to for the draft? And what if they had a last second change of heart?

Francessa needs to understand that, and accept it. It's part of how the NFL works.

I also think Francessa was pissed about Eli not renewing, and not entirely sure of the timing, that could be connected.

If I were DG, I would go on the show and basically lay out that's how it works, if you don't like it, well.....I'm not sure what I can tell ya! You don't have to invite me on Mike............



RE: RE: It may not have been  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2019 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14521687 djm said:
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In comment 14521368 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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for the entire league to know who they were picking. Why would having that knowledge out there ever be okay, is the point.




You’re really going to hold DGs feet to the fire because he proclaimed that Barkley was a wonderful rb prospect weeks before the draft. Mind you, he never said he was drafting Barkley.

You guys get worked up over some strange shit sometimes.

Ps— this entire debate and whether DG is bad, good, or wrong about this Francessa nonsense is 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Literally, 100% meaningless.

Pretty much everything we post here is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. You can resume your regularly scheduled knobslobbing now.
RE: RE: It may not have been  
bw in dc : 8/7/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14521687 djm said:
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You’re really going to hold DGs feet to the fire because he proclaimed that Barkley was a wonderful rb prospect weeks before the draft. Mind you, he never said he was drafting Barkley.

You guys get worked up over some strange shit sometimes.

Ps— this entire debate and whether DG is bad, good, or wrong about this Francessa nonsense is 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Literally, 100% meaningless.


I disagree. I find it very meaningful.

This is the ideal time for DG to be the bigger party. I think most agree that Francessor is being petty. But whether you like him or not, he’s a NY media icon. Avoiding him because Jints Central forgot that “sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me” is just as petty.

It’s actually a bit embarrassing that they have decided on the dove route because the narcoleptic radio host was soooo mean...

It’s crazy to me that any of you care  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 8:05 pm : link
and think him going on the show would increase your opinion of him. It doesn’t matter, talking to a radio show host will never matter.

Couldn’t care less about the GM personality. Either he fixes this team or he doesn’t. Reese was a doormat, didn’t care. All that mattered was whether we won and he did that at first then didn’t, he’s now gone. Him going on Francesa and playing his game wouldn’t change a single thing for me not his legacy.
RE: Francessa crossed the line with his personal attacks on DG  
Jimmy Googs : 8/7/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14521386 Torrag said:
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Part of the mans job as GM of the Giants is literally keeping the teams true intentions about personnel decisions internal to the organization. It would hurt the teams future if the rest of the NFL new their real thinking.

MF went too far because he was butthurt about not having an exclusive on the Giants plans. He took bis remarks too far. They weren't about football but people and it soured the relationship. It's his fault.

Now he's over reacting by not going to camp to cover literally everyone else that's a part of the franchise? Even Eli who doesn't go on air with him anymore will be available if FAN did a camp broadcast.

Childish stuff by Mike.


Totally agree. But still think DG should go on the show, give his views (keeping them as general but fair as possible) and take the high road.

If he and the Giants are comfortable with their decisions then there is no downside...

RE: RE: RE: It may not have been  
TrueBlue56 : 8/8/2019 12:26 am : link
In comment 14521753 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14521687 djm said:


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You’re really going to hold DGs feet to the fire because he proclaimed that Barkley was a wonderful rb prospect weeks before the draft. Mind you, he never said he was drafting Barkley.

You guys get worked up over some strange shit sometimes.

Ps— this entire debate and whether DG is bad, good, or wrong about this Francessa nonsense is 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Literally, 100% meaningless.



I disagree. I find it very meaningful.

This is the ideal time for DG to be the bigger party. I think most agree that Francessor is being petty. But whether you like him or not, he’s a NY media icon. Avoiding him because Jints Central forgot that “sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me” is just as petty.

It’s actually a bit embarrassing that they have decided on the dove route because the narcoleptic radio host was soooo mean...


You are making way too much out of this. The giants offered Mike the access to all of the coaches and players to do a show. Gettleman is the only one not available. Gettleman did a radio spot on SiriusXM plus he did his press conference a week ago. Tom Coughlin stopped doing his weekly radio spots with Mike while he was head coach.

Gettleman does not need to do the interview for the giants, the fans or even for wfan. The giants will not be effected in the slightest if Dave does it or not. If you want to hear what gettleman thinks about the players and team then I suggest you go on giants.com and pull up his press conference or if you have SiriusXM pull up the interview he did with Bob Papa and David Diehl.
WFAN is the Giants' flagship radio station  
GeofromNJ : 8/8/2019 12:47 am : link
and Francesa is their biggest personality. Gettleman, as the team decision maker, should agree to Francesa's request for an interview, Francesa calling him a liar and a loser notwithstanding.
RE: WFAN is the Giants' flagship radio station  
TrueBlue56 : 8/8/2019 7:16 am : link
In comment 14521947 GeofromNJ said:
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and Francesa is their biggest personality. Gettleman, as the team decision maker, should agree to Francesa's request for an interview, Francesa calling him a liar and a loser notwithstanding.


What does wfan being the flagship station have to do with it? What does Francesa being the biggest personality have to do with anything? I really don't understand this is as any kind of reasoning as to why gettleman should do an interview. Mike Francesa is not the only show in town and he is not the only media outlet available to the giants or even gettleman.

Gettleman has his reasons as to why he doesn't want to do the interview with him and he is perfectly in his right regardless of his reasons. He is under no contract or obligation.
RE: It’s crazy to me that any of you care  
arcarsenal : 8/8/2019 8:20 am : link
In comment 14521767 UConn4523 said:
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and think him going on the show would increase your opinion of him. It doesn’t matter, talking to a radio show host will never matter.

Couldn’t care less about the GM personality. Either he fixes this team or he doesn’t. Reese was a doormat, didn’t care. All that mattered was whether we won and he did that at first then didn’t, he’s now gone. Him going on Francesa and playing his game wouldn’t change a single thing for me not his legacy.


I actually don't think it would even increase most of these guys' opinions of Gettleman at all. They just jump at any chance they get to make a big stink over anything he says or does.

Had he actually agreed to continue doing his spot with Mike, not one person criticizing him would be giving him any credit for it and probably wouldn't even listen. But since he's not - it's a big deal.

It's amazing that this thread is even what it is. This is such a non-issue in the grand scheme of things.

Oh no... the optics!
arc  
UConn4523 : 8/8/2019 8:57 am : link
no doubt in my mind that it becomes a bigger deal if he went on the show and defended himself. It was be spun, twisted and distorted into whatever people want it to sound like. "Gettleman shouldn't have given this petulant child the time of day", "he shouldn't be so thinned skinned", etc. Basically, the exact same arguments for everything else.
Francessa wouldn't allow the  
ron mexico : 8/8/2019 9:03 am : link
conversation to be about anything he said last year anyway

Francesa  
PaulN : 8/8/2019 9:57 am : link
Is acting like a baby, but Gettleman does too, I think Gettleman was smart to stay away, no way he would be able to contain himself. He iis terrible in front of a mic. But I could care less, as long as gets the roster right. But he better be right on Jones, or it could get ugly for him andd the Giants.
Arc  
afann : 8/8/2019 10:46 am : link
You are so right because if DG went on Fatcessa’s show, everyone would say that he doesn’t shut up and loves to talk. DG is talking to the media and answering questions just not with the guy who said he was a loser.
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