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Pat Hanlon fires back at Francesa

Bold Ruler : Mod : 8/6/2019 8:30 pm
@giantspathanlon
Refresher: ďThe Giants now act like losers, they have no plan like losers, and the people running the team, in my estimation, are losers. I donít believe a word Gettleman says. Not a word. He lied to everyone about what he was doing. ... the Giants are an utter embarrassment."
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@MikeFrancesa
For the first time in my WFAN career I will not be doing a training camp program from Giants camp. Was invited but told there would be no access to GM. Dave Gettleman should have enough confidence and conviction to explain his decisions. If he is hiding, Iíll pass.
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I must be missing something...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/6/2019 8:32 pm : link
What did DG do to piss off Da Sports Pope so badly?
I hate twitter  
dep026 : 8/6/2019 8:32 pm : link
What did Hanlon say?
RE: I hate twitter  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 8/6/2019 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14520698 dep026 said:
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What did Hanlon say?


Hanlon quoted Da Pope's shit talking.
The first tweet in the opening thread  
CT Charlie : 8/6/2019 8:35 pm : link
is Hanlon's, explaining why DG would decline talking with MF.
RE: I hate twitter  
darren in pdx : 8/6/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14520698 dep026 said:
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What did Hanlon say?


Read from bottom to top. Hanlon responded with Francessaís quote of him trashing the Giants.
RE: I must be missing something...  
Nine-Tails : 8/6/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14520697 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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What did DG do to piss off Da Sports Pope so badly?


Picking Jones at 6
Hanlon said this in response Mike saying he wont be at camp:  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/6/2019 8:36 pm : link
Refresher: ďThe Giants now act like losers, they have no plan like losers, and the people running the team, in my estimation, are losers. I donít believe a word Gettleman says. Not a word. He lied to everyone about what he was doing. ... the Giants are an utter embarrassment."


Meaning, he's repeating what Francesa said about the team on his show last season. I'm far from a Francesa fan, but seems kinda weak that the GM won't go on simply because a radio host disagrees with some of his decisions? Unless I'm missing something, but that's how I read it?
Beat me to it.  
bceagle05 : 8/6/2019 8:36 pm : link
Giants invited Mike, but said Gettleman wouldn't be available - so of course Mike had to act like a baby. Hanlon tweeted again that Mike is welcome to come and talk to the coaches and players.
more...  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 8/6/2019 8:38 pm : link
@giantspathanlon
That is a long way of saying: why should he? Why would he? The owner was willing to go on. The head coach and players, too. Always welcome, Mike, as long as youíre working for our flagship partner...
Well, Mike called him a loser and a liar  
bceagle05 : 8/6/2019 8:38 pm : link
so the attacks got a little personal, beyond just criticism of job performance. I used to defend Mike, but he's awful these days. Unlistenable.
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arcarsenal : 8/6/2019 8:46 pm : link
Mike used to at least be entertaining, but he's not even that anymore.

He really should have just stayed retired. He's an awful listen now. He's doing it because he's bored at home and its easy money for him.

He's very lazy. These days, he's just riding it out on what he's known and he's too stubborn to really spend the time to understand anything else or be willing to embrace different perspectives.

Literally just an automatic channel change now for me if I get into the car and he's on. His insight is worthless now. More or less just old man yelling at cloud stuff...
So gianstock  
crick n NC : 8/6/2019 8:48 pm : link
Is Francesa?
For the PR campaign they ran  
Ned In Atlanta : 8/6/2019 8:53 pm : link
Through Vachianno itís pretty embarrassing for DG to hide
Mike feels lied to because he  
UConn4523 : 8/6/2019 8:54 pm : link
wasnít told we were taking Jones. He beat the pass rusher drum the weeks leading up to the draft and was wrong. Pretty hilarious how much of a child heís acted Ike over it.

GMs are supposed to lie, that will never ever bother me as a fan.
And for all DG  
Ned In Atlanta : 8/6/2019 8:54 pm : link
Said about BPA after the Saquon pick whatever you think about Jones no one on planet earth thought he was actually BPa at 6
I don't get Mike's stance that  
St. Jimmy : 8/6/2019 8:55 pm : link
Gettleman has to announce to the world the Giants are drafting Daniel Jones at 6. It was a good listen when Ernie was waxing poetic about Eli after they fired Fossil on Mike and the Mad Dog but probably not the best strategy to announce your love for a player 4 months before the draft.
Both Hanlon and Fat Mike  
JPinstripes : 8/6/2019 8:58 pm : link
have past their time...
Arc, I think Mike mailed it in a long, long time ago.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/6/2019 8:59 pm : link
He does this summer show once a year at Bar A in Belmar & was visiting a buddy who lives in Red Bank who said we should go check it out so we did. This was '09 & someone asked him who the best Giants offensive weapon was & he said Sinorice Moss. My buddy & I looked at each with 'WTF?' facial expressions.
RE: I don't get Mike's stance that  
Nine-Tails : 8/6/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14520744 St. Jimmy said:
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Gettleman has to announce to the world the Giants are drafting Daniel Jones at 6. It was a good listen when Ernie was waxing poetic about Eli after they fired Fossil on Mike and the Mad Dog but probably not the best strategy to announce your love for a player 4 months before the draft.


I believe when Mike interviewed DG, he asked if DG would prefer to get a young qb. DG said if all goes according to plan, yes. So, it's not like this was a surprise.

IMO, one of the stupid things that the beat was saying was qb more likely at 17 than 6. DG says if they have a first rd qb, they love him, and that they would prefer to get Eli's successor. So why the notion that the Giants panicked? They had their guy and went all in.
RE: And for all DG  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/6/2019 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14520740 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Said about BPA after the Saquon pick whatever you think about Jones no one on planet earth thought he was actually BPa at 6


BPA goes out the door when taking a QB. Thatís common knowledge
RE: I must be missing something...  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/6/2019 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14520697 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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What did DG do to piss off Da Sports Pope so badly?

Said there were multiple teams interested in Jones. Lies make baby Jesus cry.

Hanlon should be constantly beating Mike like fat rented mule pinata on social medis. EZ target.
RE: Arc, I think Mike mailed it in a long, long time ago.  
arcarsenal : 8/6/2019 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14520753 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He does this summer show once a year at Bar A in Belmar & was visiting a buddy who lives in Red Bank who said we should go check it out so we did. This was '09 & someone asked him who the best Giants offensive weapon was & he said Sinorice Moss. My buddy & I looked at each with 'WTF?' facial expressions.


Absolutely - he's been bad for a while. But I feel like after the retirement and that long, drawn out "goodbye" - for him to just come right back so soon was just so silly looking. And he's been noticeably worse since then.

He knows so little about the Giants now, so it's amusing to me that he threw such a hissy fit over what we did in the draft. He can't even name the 5 offensive linemen slated to start. He hasn't been able to name the linemen on this team for about a decade now. I hear him try sometimes and just bail and start saying stuff like "da gawd" and "da centah" because he doesn't know who plays in those spots.

Now more than ever, if I want to know about horse racing or get accounts of the Yankees teams from the 50's or 60's, maybe I'll see what Mike has to say.

Otherwise, I can't turn the dial fast enough.
yawn  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/6/2019 9:09 pm : link
I stopped listening to Francesa more than 10 years ago --- he's got nothing to say that I care to listen to -- yesterday's news
Wow - Gettleman passing on a opportunity to flap his gums?  
Greg from LI : 8/6/2019 9:17 pm : link
First time for everything, I suppose
_______  
I am Ninja : 8/6/2019 9:21 pm : link
the giants are and have been a fuckin joke top to bottom for years now. dont get all fuckin protective of these fuckin idiots.
RE: _______  
arcarsenal : 8/6/2019 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14520795 I am Ninja said:
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the giants are and have been a fuckin joke top to bottom for years now. dont get all fuckin protective of these fuckin idiots.


Fuckin right, bro!!!! U TELL EM.
RE: _______  
section125 : 8/6/2019 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14520795 I am Ninja said:
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the giants are and have been a fuckin joke top to bottom for years now. dont get all fuckin protective of these fuckin idiots.



....yeah ok. spoken like a true hero.
RE: Hanlon said this in response Mike saying he wont be at camp:  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/6/2019 9:23 pm : link
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Meaning, he's repeating what Francesa said about the team on his show last season. I'm far from a Francesa fan, but seems kinda weak that the GM won't go on simply because a radio host disagrees with some of his decisions? Unless I'm missing something, but that's how I read it?


"Disagrees with some of his decisions"? How cute. Francesca acted like a child. He's an immature jackass. He is beneath DG.
RE: Wow - Gettleman passing on a opportunity to flap his gums?  
djm : 8/6/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14520791 Greg from LI said:
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First time for everything, I suppose


He canít win. Media bombards DG with question after question, most of them of the exact same variety with slightly different variations and DG tells it like it is or more importantly, tells is EXACTLY like it was. But heís flapping his gums I guess.

What should he do? Say nothing?

Francesa is Francesa but the Giants have a credibility problem  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/6/2019 9:33 pm : link
And now they are sensitive on many fronts. The whole "Mara consults Francesa" story that ran through the interwebs irked them and this is one way of responding. The DG and Ballantine rants just added fuel to the fire.

While over the top, Mike's DG rant captured a lot of fans' feeling regarding the Jones pick, which for many was throw the remote, and the Odell trade. Can't tell you how many people I've talked to who are apathetic about the franchise.

Mike hasn't showered himself in glory but I side with him as this seems petty. Even Rex had the guts to show his face after multiple Francesa rants.
It goes back to his criticism of leadership even before  
mattlawson : 8/6/2019 9:33 pm : link
I think he never fully got over how they treated Eli in the last regime. He wants Eli in a position to win another one and go out on a high note. He blamed Reese, Mara, and of course Mac.

Now the GM comes in and says weíre going to win now- but all the moves contradict that. Mike doesnít want to be in a position where he canít be critical and hold peopleís feet to the fire. Heís not towing any lines, and clearly heís sick of the spin and misdirection from DG regarding the build strategy, Beckham, Eliís future and the 2019 draft
Francesa has acted like a jilted lover..  
Sean : 8/6/2019 9:34 pm : link
since Jones was drafted.
RE: RE: Wow - Gettleman passing on a opportunity to flap his gums?  
bw in dc : 8/6/2019 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14520804 djm said:
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In comment 14520791 Greg from LI said:


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First time for everything, I suppose



He canít win. Media bombards DG with question after question, most of them of the exact same variety with slightly different variations and DG tells it like it is or more importantly, tells is EXACTLY like it was. But heís flapping his gums I guess.

What should he do? Say nothing?


Of course he can't win. Because DG is his own worst enemy.

Like Accorsi, he likes the limelight and he likes to talk. And that has led to a number of episodes where DG opens his mouth and quickly inserts his foot. Unlike Accoris, however, DG has never built anything from the ground up. His time in Carolina was mostly caretaker from the prior administration.

Meanwhile, he's got quite the self-proclaimed streak in him. He's been quick to remind us all of the great accomplishments he's had - from building SB winners, drafting great players, name dropping, etc.

Do you know what advice DG would be wise to heed? Less is more.
Its funny  
Nine-Tails : 8/6/2019 9:39 pm : link
when Beckham was traded, he was like the New York footbal Giants are back, great move. Then, Jones is picked, surprised Pikachu meme. And then goes on to trash them.
Francesa will bash the Giants all year long.  
Mr. Bungle : 8/6/2019 9:44 pm : link
If you don't do his show, he hates you forever.
This could be about NYG being mindful  
flycatcher : 8/6/2019 10:05 pm : link
of Gettlemanís serious health battle by shielding him from exposure to unnecessary BS.
Why be so thin skinned?  
Marty866b : 8/6/2019 10:47 pm : link
Not that any of this has any significance but if I was DG I would take on the Fat Man and tell him his plan on how he is rebuilding this team. Why take Francesa's criticism? Gettleman loves to talk and I don't see why he doesn't do so here?
AM radio... lol  
EricJ : 8/6/2019 10:59 pm : link
The Giants dont need fat mike there. There is a world of live streaming videos, pod casts and all kinds of other outlets which will reach more fans than the broadcast from WFAN using two tin cans and a piece of string.
Marty  
watertown : 8/6/2019 11:03 pm : link
Couldnít agree more. Would make for great radio!
Francesa is an ass  
ajr2456 : 8/6/2019 11:05 pm : link
But the Giants are in the wrong here
RE: AM radio... lol  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/6/2019 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14520881 EricJ said:
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The Giants dont need fat mike there. There is a world of live streaming videos, pod casts and all kinds of other outlets which will reach more fans than the broadcast from WFAN using two tin cans and a piece of string.


WFAN is on FM radio now, too. Have been for years now, actually.
Why would anyone go on a show  
montanagiant : 8/6/2019 11:22 pm : link
Where the host has slagged on him for 7 months?

I'd think less of DG if he did it
Francesa and Gettleman the same person  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2019 11:34 pm : link
.
This says more about Mike  
UConn4523 : 8/6/2019 11:41 pm : link
than it does DG. Why feed the troll? Gettelman has better things to do than to get into pissing matches with a radio host. It isnít ďthin skinnedĒ itís just a waste of his time and energy.

I love Mike for what he is, but heís 100% in the wrong here. He just canít move on from being kicked to the curb on his insider knowledge.
I like the way this season is shaping up.....  
Britt in VA : 8/6/2019 11:46 pm : link
Feisty.
If you dont believe a word he says  
90.Cal : 8/6/2019 11:47 pm : link
Why are crying about interviewing him?
Athletes, owners, GMs, etc  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/6/2019 11:48 pm : link
get criticized on sports radio everyday. It's not unique to DG. Just seems like he has his tail tucked between his legs since Pat said Mike could talk to the owner, coach, and players, just not the GM. Not a bad look for the Giants as much as it is DG himself.
I'm missing the timeline here  
jcn56 : 8/6/2019 11:50 pm : link
Which came first - Francessa calling the Giants losers without a plan, or Gettleman refusing to do the show?

Not that it matters much, but if the Giants are starting to skirt interviews with people who criticize them, Jimmy Dolan should get on the phone and tell them to get a different schtick, that one is his.
Hey, look, no one mocks Francesa more than me  
Greg from LI : 8/7/2019 12:33 am : link
My preference is that Gettleman shut up most of the time in the first place. However, since he spends an awful lot of time bloviating to reporters anyway, this looks like rather a bitch move.
Did he do the shows last year?  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/7/2019 12:35 am : link
Was he in treatment at the time? I don't recall.
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