@giantspathanlon
Refresher: “The Giants now act like losers, they have no plan like losers, and the people running the team, in my estimation, are losers. I don’t believe a word Gettleman says. Not a word. He lied to everyone about what he was doing. ... the Giants are an utter embarrassment."
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@MikeFrancesa
For the first time in my WFAN career I will not be doing a training camp program from Giants camp. Was invited but told there would be no access to GM. Dave Gettleman should have enough confidence and conviction to explain his decisions. If he is hiding, I’ll pass.
Bitch move is certainly the right phrase. DG likes to talk the talk like a big shot, yet he doesn’t want to face Mike Francesca? Seriously?
Weak. Fucking. Sauce.
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First time for everything, I suppose
He can’t win. Media bombards DG with question after question, most of them of the exact same variety with slightly different variations and DG tells it like it is or more importantly, tells is EXACTLY like it was. But he’s flapping his gums I guess.
What should he do? Say nothing?
So now speaking at length, and to anyone who will listen, in clichés, mixed metaphors, and parables equates to telling it EXACTLY like it is?
The only thing I actually gleaned from your post, as usual, is that the M in your handle must stand for Mara. Everything you post is just more of the same rah-rah bullshit from someone who is clearly rapt by every bit of spin the team has ever put out there.
I agree though I think it's a total bitch move both ways. DG needs to do the stupid show but Francessa also need to haul his useless carcass up to camp and interview everyone seeing as the Giants are offering up everyone in the orginization including the waterboy besides DG.
WFAN is on FM radio now, too. Have been for years now, actually.
that should be an indication as to how long ago I stopped listening.
Who gives a rats ass about him being at Giants camp. It's the least informative piece done about camp.
It's about time the Giants gave WFAN and king douche a big "Fuck You"! But they still invited that dope. He is just refusing to go since DG won't bow down to that bitch.
If DG is going to carry on about wanting his players to act like "adults" then maybe he should act like one too.
Yup. Pretty Pathetic the way he handled that.
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the day after he got shot and his friend got killed?
Yup. Pretty Pathetic the way he handled that.
If I recall correctly, those things didn't sit very well with the Giants, and rightfully so.
As was the bahavior of the characters I won't name on the CMB show, as was the behavior of Kim Jones during the Beckham trade.
Something has happened with media in general and it isn't good.
There were personal attacks on both Gettleman and Jones because the former drafted the latter in the NFL draft. Think about that for a second. And it wasn't just the members of the media I named above. There were many more.
Also, as bad as the Landon Collins response to the question was, shame on Garafolo for leading Collins down that path with his questioning. What I've read of Mike G. over the years he's always been better than that.
If your preference to not be on the show is in regards to the Ballantine comments, then allude to that.
DG could do a good job of opening up to the fan base and calming the nerves going into 2019 and the future. I think it would go a long way for a lot of people if he "explained" his plans a little bit more and no better way then in the confessional with da pope
However, what has fascinated me to no end in all of this was "Gettleman lied to us". WTF is that supposed to mean? We all know that in a competitive environment, corporate or sports, senior management never tells you what is going on. Decisions are made behind closed doors and the answers to the press questions are either vague or purposely misdirecting. If you don't think otherwise, you've never worked a day in a corporate environment in your life.
If anything, if I'm the Mara family, and Gettleman goes to the press and says that "yes, I'm trading Odell", I'm firing DG because guess what happens? You get an "Odell watch" going 24x7 on ESPN/NFLN/everywhere. You get Odell likely tweeting some stupid shit which hurts the Giants leverage. We get Josina Anderson quoting "sources close to Odell" on some nonsense which likely would end up trying to get him to the Rams. And you get Antonio Brown all over again where you don't get close to a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers.
What this sounds like, more than anything, was Gettleman and the Giants didn't give Big Mike the scoop as they apparently did to Jay Glazer who was tipped off that Odell was getting traded (hence his "shocking move" thing in March before the trade). Francesa's access clearly was shut off, perhaps by Gettleman and Shurmur and now he's lashing out, which is pretty much Francesa's MO for years.
If your preference to not be on the show is in regards to the Ballantine comments, then allude to that.
DG could do a good job of opening up to the fan base and calming the nerves going into 2019 and the future. I think it would go a long way for a lot of people if he "explained" his plans a little bit more and no better way then in the confessional with da pope
He did do it on Sirius xm. He has also held media press conferences at various times through the year (end of the year, pre draft and during training camp). He doesn't need to go on Mike's show. Tom Coughlin stopped doing his show. Jerry reese rarely did his show. Mike is not the only media outlet available.
Listen to the interview Bob papa and David diehl did with gettleman on Sirius. You get more football information from that interview than listening to Mike's agenda and opinionated views overriding the conversation.
Oh man, I so disagree with this take. There's no expletive foul enough for me to describe this take.
No person in his right mind would take the blatant and despicable insults, as quoted by Hanlon. Without a sincere upfront apology from Francesa, it would be the most de-humanizing thing in the world to play the modern day Henry IV to Da Pope (Gregory).
Not that it matters much, but if the Giants are starting to skirt interviews with people who criticize them, Jimmy Dolan should get on the phone and tell them to get a different schtick, that one is his.
I wold agree with you, if I could define Francesa's comments as criticism. But I don't see a scintilla of criticism in that quote. Just gratuitous name-calling.
I think many of these media types take calculated risks as to what they think will transpire and fit their narrative respectfully. My guess is he will ride the Darnold train this year and if the Giants falter he will be relentless on the Giants. If the Giants win it will be on deaf years but if they struggle again he will be ready to pounce.
The Giants don't need Francesser.
Shout out to Red Bank!
That said, Francesa really kind of went overboard if you ask me. His comments were that of a jilted, scorned lover who is grumpy and angry that he's not getting the info he wants and they're not doing things the way he thinks they should. The comments he made crossed over into personal, unprofessional territory and I don't really blame Gettleman in this instance.
Gettleman can be obnoxious and sometimes you listen to him and just want to tell him to cool it; but it's tough for me to really fault him here.
He doesn't owe Mike a fucking thing.
However, what has fascinated me to no end in all of this was "Gettleman lied to us". WTF is that supposed to mean? We all know that in a competitive environment, corporate or sports, senior management never tells you what is going on. Decisions are made behind closed doors and the answers to the press questions are either vague or purposely misdirecting. If you don't think otherwise, you've never worked a day in a corporate environment in your life.
If anything, if I'm the Mara family, and Gettleman goes to the press and says that "yes, I'm trading Odell", I'm firing DG because guess what happens? You get an "Odell watch" going 24x7 on ESPN/NFLN/everywhere. You get Odell likely tweeting some stupid shit which hurts the Giants leverage. We get Josina Anderson quoting "sources close to Odell" on some nonsense which likely would end up trying to get him to the Rams. And you get Antonio Brown all over again where you don't get close to a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers.
What this sounds like, more than anything, was Gettleman and the Giants didn't give Big Mike the scoop as they apparently did to Jay Glazer who was tipped off that Odell was getting traded (hence his "shocking move" thing in March before the trade). Francesa's access clearly was shut off, perhaps by Gettleman and Shurmur and now he's lashing out, which is pretty much Francesa's MO for years.
The funny thing Matt, gettleman actually said to francesa that if things go as they expect, they would be drafting a quarterback in the draft. This was said during the pre draft interview Mike did with gettleman. Mike was so stuck on his opinion that either you ride with Eli or wipe the slate clean and move on. You can't do both, have Eli and a 1st round quarterback that he totally dismissed what gettleman said.
The direct question and answer in the interview.
Mike: So, we should expect a young quarterback added this year?
Dave: If everything works out...probably
Francessa is a blowhard but he has the biggest radio show in NY. DG can suck it up and do a 10 minute interview spot.
However, what has fascinated me to no end in all of this was "Gettleman lied to us". WTF is that supposed to mean? We all know that in a competitive environment, corporate or sports, senior management never tells you what is going on. Decisions are made behind closed doors and the answers to the press questions are either vague or purposely misdirecting. If you don't think otherwise, you've never worked a day in a corporate environment in your life.
If anything, if I'm the Mara family, and Gettleman goes to the press and says that "yes, I'm trading Odell", I'm firing DG because guess what happens? You get an "Odell watch" going 24x7 on ESPN/NFLN/everywhere. You get Odell likely tweeting some stupid shit which hurts the Giants leverage. We get Josina Anderson quoting "sources close to Odell" on some nonsense which likely would end up trying to get him to the Rams. And you get Antonio Brown all over again where you don't get close to a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers.
What this sounds like, more than anything, was Gettleman and the Giants didn't give Big Mike the scoop as they apparently did to Jay Glazer who was tipped off that Odell was getting traded (hence his "shocking move" thing in March before the trade). Francesa's access clearly was shut off, perhaps by Gettleman and Shurmur and now he's lashing out, which is pretty much Francesa's MO for years.
This is definitely a combination of Mike feel jilted and a few years of questionable moves by the entire Giants organization.
Exactly!
I would have very little interest in speaking to someone who has very clearly stated publicly (or privately, even) that they don't believe a word I say. So I get Gettleman not making the effort to go on his show.
But like you said, I'd also have very little interest in speaking to someone when I know I don't believe a word they say. So I don't get Francesa's problem with Gettleman not coming on.
Francessa ran his mouth? Shocking! It's what he has always done. And it's what all of these reporters will always do.
Does DG have conviction that he's done the right thing? Of course he does. So just talk and say that and take the rest of it for what it is. An act and a song and dance to drum up faux outrage and make Joey from Yonkers call in and go ballistic.
Most people I know have stopped listening a long time ago.
Mike was so stuck on his opinion that either you ride with Eli or wipe the slate clean and move on.
The thing is, this was the most sound decision to make. Keeping Eli and drafting a QB at #6 was such a half-measure, especially with a team who is still growing to become something (not a winning team now).
A much needed pass rusher could have been added, or cap dump of 17M could have been had. If the later, the #6 pick QB would have gotten the valuable snaps he needed, from day 1.
At the end of the day, this was a lame decision by the Giants, and actually shitty for Eli. Eli would have found a team. Maybe not right away, but eventually with injuries, and a solid option for a team that is competitive.
This was Mike's feeling on it, and he was passionate about it, on behalf of both sound decision making and doing what's best for Eli.
I agreed with Mike 100% on this.
Francessa ran his mouth? Shocking! It's what he has always done. And it's what all of these reporters will always do.
Does DG have conviction that he's done the right thing? Of course he does. So just talk and say that and take the rest of it for what it is. An act and a song and dance to drum up faux outrage and make Joey from Yonkers call in and go ballistic.
Most people I know have stopped listening a long time ago.
The very same logic could be used to argue that it's not worth it for DG to even bother going on his show.
I know many don’t listen to Francesa but I do and leading up to the draft he wasn’t like this. His tune changed once he was “lied to” and has been on attack mode ever since. You cant reason with someone like that, and Gettleman should be discussing football, not hurt feelings by talkshow hosts.
0 chance I give Mike the time of day either after acting like that.
If they look inept/boring/weak, he’s going to shit on DG and Shurmer hard. If they’re losing, but signs are there of competence, he might go the route of “this is a young team who needs to lean how to win in this league”.
I am ok with DG telling Francesca to go F himself!!
So if he answers questions on the draft and Beckham and everything else with tons of different reporters, is the problem with DG or the guy who notoriously hates anyone that won’t talk to him?
One of the supposed reasons why Jones was drafted was because the great decision makers at Jints Central were confident he could manage and deal with the big, bad, mean NY press. Jones could follow in Eli's footsteps and be a real grown up.
But now these sages don't want to deal with the big, bad, mean NY press because one of them hurt their feelings by criticizing their delicate GM.
How absolutely perfect...
Francesa single-handedly created a PR storm for the Giants that they did not need around the team.
again, I actually listen to Francesa every day and if you don't think his behavior in April regarding all of this was out of line, you were either not listening or not paying attention.
I challenge anyone to listen to the audio of mike his first day on air after the draft and tell me that’s someone worth speaking to. Mike got bad info and now he hates Gettleman, that’s childish and not worth Gettelmans time.
Also, Eli isn’t doing Mikes show either because he’s tired of being asked about his last year, when will he be benched, etc. is he in the wrong too?
Go back and listen to how fucking childish and unprofessional he acted after the draft. Why does Dave Gettleman owe him anything? Because he's the media?
Fuck that. No one has to bow down to Mike Francesa.
One of the supposed reasons why Jones was drafted was because the great decision makers at Jints Central were confident he could manage and deal with the big, bad, mean NY press. Jones could follow in Eli's footsteps and be a real grown up.
But now these sages don't want to deal with the big, bad, mean NY press because one of them hurt their feelings by criticizing their delicate GM.
How absolutely perfect...
Funny how the GM is being called "delicate" by all of the moronic fans who claim to know more about football than him, are mad that he once referenced God, and poked a little fun at analytics. Many can not get over this.
If he's so delicate, why does he have a reputation for being so cut throat when it comes to turning over a roster?
This is probably coming directly from Mara in response to Mike making a dick public relations move against the Giants by announcing he knew what Eli's intentions were based off of drafting Jones.