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Pat Hanlon fires back at Francesa

Bold Ruler : Mod : 8/6/2019 8:30 pm
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Refresher: ďThe Giants now act like losers, they have no plan like losers, and the people running the team, in my estimation, are losers. I donít believe a word Gettleman says. Not a word. He lied to everyone about what he was doing. ... the Giants are an utter embarrassment."
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@MikeFrancesa
For the first time in my WFAN career I will not be doing a training camp program from Giants camp. Was invited but told there would be no access to GM. Dave Gettleman should have enough confidence and conviction to explain his decisions. If he is hiding, Iíll pass.
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RE: Hey, look, no one mocks Francesa more than me  
Hsilwek92 : 8/7/2019 12:57 am : link
In comment 14520952 Greg from LI said:
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My preference is that Gettleman shut up most of the time in the first place. However, since he spends an awful lot of time bloviating to reporters anyway, this looks like rather a bitch move.


Bitch move is certainly the right phrase. DG likes to talk the talk like a big shot, yet he doesnít want to face Mike Francesca? Seriously?

Weak. Fucking. Sauce.
Francesa looks awful lately by the way  
moespree : 8/7/2019 1:38 am : link
I think it's the thinnest I have ever seen him. His face is gaunt and his voice weak. If he's not intentionally trying to lose weight he probably should see a doctor.
RE: RE: Wow - Gettleman passing on a opportunity to flap his gums?  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2019 5:01 am : link
In comment 14520804 djm said:
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In comment 14520791 Greg from LI said:


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First time for everything, I suppose



He canít win. Media bombards DG with question after question, most of them of the exact same variety with slightly different variations and DG tells it like it is or more importantly, tells is EXACTLY like it was. But heís flapping his gums I guess.

What should he do? Say nothing?

So now speaking at length, and to anyone who will listen, in clichťs, mixed metaphors, and parables equates to telling it EXACTLY like it is?

The only thing I actually gleaned from your post, as usual, is that the M in your handle must stand for Mara. Everything you post is just more of the same rah-rah bullshit from someone who is clearly rapt by every bit of spin the team has ever put out there.
WFAN  
Thinblueline : 8/7/2019 6:27 am : link
Is a joke.
RE: Hey, look, no one mocks Francesa more than me  
Stu11 : 8/7/2019 6:56 am : link
In comment 14520952 Greg from LI said:
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My preference is that Gettleman shut up most of the time in the first place. However, since he spends an awful lot of time bloviating to reporters anyway, this looks like rather a bitch move.

I agree though I think it's a total bitch move both ways. DG needs to do the stupid show but Francessa also need to haul his useless carcass up to camp and interview everyone seeing as the Giants are offering up everyone in the orginization including the waterboy besides DG.
Gettleman is not being a bitch here...  
KingBlue : 8/7/2019 7:09 am : link
To me, this is more DG saying "fuck you Francesa", than it is DG being afraid to defend his actions.
RE: RE: AM radio... lol  
EricJ : 8/7/2019 7:12 am : link
In comment 14520891 Dave in Hoboken said:
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WFAN is on FM radio now, too. Have been for years now, actually.


that should be an indication as to how long ago I stopped listening.
High pockets vs New England accent  
GiantsUA : 8/7/2019 7:14 am : link
This would be a great listen - may help revive AM radio
Fat ass acting like a little bitch after the draft  
ZogZerg : 8/7/2019 7:20 am : link
and right now. Shocker.
Who gives a rats ass about him being at Giants camp. It's the least informative piece done about camp.

It's about time the Giants gave WFAN and king douche a big "Fuck You"! But they still invited that dope. He is just refusing to go since DG won't bow down to that bitch.
Sure Mike is a Jerk...  
Jim in Tampa : 8/7/2019 7:33 am : link
But DG as the Giants' GM should have taken the high road, done the interview and addressed Mike's criticisims, face to face.

If DG is going to carry on about wanting his players to act like "adults" then maybe he should act like one too.
Wasn't it MF who had those poor things to say about Ballentine....  
Britt in VA : 8/7/2019 7:37 am : link
the day after he got shot and his friend got killed?
Donít know why anyone would be upset  
joeinpa : 8/7/2019 7:38 am : link
With a GM says they are in win now mode, even though their actions speak differently. Donít know what else one would expect. That said, for me, Gettleman not speaking with Mike is juvenile and a bad look
Itís only fitting that the biggest city in the world should be home to  
Spider56 : 8/7/2019 7:39 am : link
the biggest A-holes ... Francesca has become irrelevant. Bravo Giants.
RE: Wasn't it MF who had those poor things to say about Ballentine....  
ZogZerg : 8/7/2019 7:42 am : link
In comment 14521018 Britt in VA said:
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the day after he got shot and his friend got killed?


Yup. Pretty Pathetic the way he handled that.
RE: RE: Wasn't it MF who had those poor things to say about Ballentine....  
Britt in VA : 8/7/2019 7:43 am : link
In comment 14521026 ZogZerg said:
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In comment 14521018 Britt in VA said:


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the day after he got shot and his friend got killed?



Yup. Pretty Pathetic the way he handled that.


If I recall correctly, those things didn't sit very well with the Giants, and rightfully so.
I actually like Francesa more than most here  
Chris684 : 8/7/2019 8:26 am : link
but his behavior concerning the Giants at draft time was an embarrassment.

As was the bahavior of the characters I won't name on the CMB show, as was the behavior of Kim Jones during the Beckham trade.

Something has happened with media in general and it isn't good.

There were personal attacks on both Gettleman and Jones because the former drafted the latter in the NFL draft. Think about that for a second. And it wasn't just the members of the media I named above. There were many more.

Also, as bad as the Landon Collins response to the question was, shame on Garafolo for leading Collins down that path with his questioning. What I've read of Mike G. over the years he's always been better than that.
How is this different that Knicks & Daily News?  
twostepgiants : 8/7/2019 8:35 am : link
Giants are punishing a sports journalist for criticism of management
Did Reese  
jestersdead : 8/7/2019 8:38 am : link
ever back down from going on the show after taking the criticism from Francesa? Go on the show and back up your talk with da sports pope.

If your preference to not be on the show is in regards to the Ballantine comments, then allude to that.

DG could do a good job of opening up to the fan base and calming the nerves going into 2019 and the future. I think it would go a long way for a lot of people if he "explained" his plans a little bit more and no better way then in the confessional with da pope
Part of me  
Matt in SGS : 8/7/2019 8:41 am : link
thinks that you empower Francesa's sense of self worth if you duck him because he will beat the drum that "he can't take the heat of me and NY!"

However, what has fascinated me to no end in all of this was "Gettleman lied to us". WTF is that supposed to mean? We all know that in a competitive environment, corporate or sports, senior management never tells you what is going on. Decisions are made behind closed doors and the answers to the press questions are either vague or purposely misdirecting. If you don't think otherwise, you've never worked a day in a corporate environment in your life.

If anything, if I'm the Mara family, and Gettleman goes to the press and says that "yes, I'm trading Odell", I'm firing DG because guess what happens? You get an "Odell watch" going 24x7 on ESPN/NFLN/everywhere. You get Odell likely tweeting some stupid shit which hurts the Giants leverage. We get Josina Anderson quoting "sources close to Odell" on some nonsense which likely would end up trying to get him to the Rams. And you get Antonio Brown all over again where you don't get close to a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers.

What this sounds like, more than anything, was Gettleman and the Giants didn't give Big Mike the scoop as they apparently did to Jay Glazer who was tipped off that Odell was getting traded (hence his "shocking move" thing in March before the trade). Francesa's access clearly was shut off, perhaps by Gettleman and Shurmur and now he's lashing out, which is pretty much Francesa's MO for years.
RE: Did Reese  
TrueBlue56 : 8/7/2019 8:47 am : link
In comment 14521045 jestersdead said:
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ever back down from going on the show after taking the criticism from Francesa? Go on the show and back up your talk with da sports pope.

If your preference to not be on the show is in regards to the Ballantine comments, then allude to that.

DG could do a good job of opening up to the fan base and calming the nerves going into 2019 and the future. I think it would go a long way for a lot of people if he "explained" his plans a little bit more and no better way then in the confessional with da pope


He did do it on Sirius xm. He has also held media press conferences at various times through the year (end of the year, pre draft and during training camp). He doesn't need to go on Mike's show. Tom Coughlin stopped doing his show. Jerry reese rarely did his show. Mike is not the only media outlet available.

Listen to the interview Bob papa and David diehl did with gettleman on Sirius. You get more football information from that interview than listening to Mike's agenda and opinionated views overriding the conversation.
RE: Francesa is an ass  
Bill L : 8/7/2019 8:51 am : link
In comment 14520883 ajr2456 said:
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But the Giants are in the wrong here


Oh man, I so disagree with this take. There's no expletive foul enough for me to describe this take.

No person in his right mind would take the blatant and despicable insults, as quoted by Hanlon. Without a sincere upfront apology from Francesa, it would be the most de-humanizing thing in the world to play the modern day Henry IV to Da Pope (Gregory).
RE: I'm missing the timeline here  
Bill L : 8/7/2019 8:53 am : link
In comment 14520919 jcn56 said:
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Which came first - Francessa calling the Giants losers without a plan, or Gettleman refusing to do the show?

Not that it matters much, but if the Giants are starting to skirt interviews with people who criticize them, Jimmy Dolan should get on the phone and tell them to get a different schtick, that one is his.


I wold agree with you, if I could define Francesa's comments as criticism. But I don't see a scintilla of criticism in that quote. Just gratuitous name-calling.
you can't lie about a future event  
GiantNatty : 8/7/2019 8:56 am : link
you can only lie about facts. if someone says "are you going to trade Beckham," you respond "no," and then you trade him, it doesn't mean you lied - it means you changed your mind.
Calling someone a loser and a liar  
Chris684 : 8/7/2019 8:57 am : link
is a personal insult, is it not?
For years  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/7/2019 8:58 am : link
Francessa went after Rex and the Jets. They had a two year run where they were the big talk of town and then it fell apart and Mike lit into them.

I think many of these media types take calculated risks as to what they think will transpire and fit their narrative respectfully. My guess is he will ride the Darnold train this year and if the Giants falter he will be relentless on the Giants. If the Giants win it will be on deaf years but if they struggle again he will be ready to pounce.
If you act like a dick, you may lose access to the GM of a football  
Heisenberg : 8/7/2019 8:58 am : link
team. There's no reason that the Giants have to make Gettleman available after Francesser grandstanded like that and joined the legions that mocked the Giants.

The Giants don't need Francesser.
Giants have been an embarrassment for years  
aimrocky : 8/7/2019 9:02 am : link
sure, some of the details surrounding Francesa's rants aren't 100% accurate, but his overall theme is correct. The plan seems half ass'd.

RE: Arc, I think Mike mailed it in a long, long time ago.  
ATL_Giants : 8/7/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14520753 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He does this summer show once a year at Bar A in Belmar & was visiting a buddy who lives in Red Bank...

Shout out to Red Bank!
Are there really objections to calling the giants 'losers'  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/7/2019 9:04 am : link
when they've done nothing but lose in 5 of the last 6 seasons?
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arcarsenal : 8/7/2019 9:04 am : link
Generally speaking, I don't think teams should refuse to appear on shows just because they're being criticized. In and of itself, yes - that's weak and I wouldn't defend it.

That said, Francesa really kind of went overboard if you ask me. His comments were that of a jilted, scorned lover who is grumpy and angry that he's not getting the info he wants and they're not doing things the way he thinks they should. The comments he made crossed over into personal, unprofessional territory and I don't really blame Gettleman in this instance.

Gettleman can be obnoxious and sometimes you listen to him and just want to tell him to cool it; but it's tough for me to really fault him here.

He doesn't owe Mike a fucking thing.
There's a difference betwenn "criticism" and what Francessa did  
BillT : 8/7/2019 9:06 am : link
It's one thing to question the moves a GM makes and another to make personal attacks. I think Francessa's remarks crossed way over that line. And that's on top of the Ballentine comments which were totally out of line and bordered on the "r" word. Like to see DG go on and hold MF's feet to the fire on that and call him on being a butt hurt dick but he'd be roasted by the press for that, too. It's no win for DG and Francessa is the reason.
RE: Part of me  
TrueBlue56 : 8/7/2019 9:12 am : link
In comment 14521046 Matt in SGS said:
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thinks that you empower Francesa's sense of self worth if you duck him because he will beat the drum that "he can't take the heat of me and NY!"

However, what has fascinated me to no end in all of this was "Gettleman lied to us". WTF is that supposed to mean? We all know that in a competitive environment, corporate or sports, senior management never tells you what is going on. Decisions are made behind closed doors and the answers to the press questions are either vague or purposely misdirecting. If you don't think otherwise, you've never worked a day in a corporate environment in your life.

If anything, if I'm the Mara family, and Gettleman goes to the press and says that "yes, I'm trading Odell", I'm firing DG because guess what happens? You get an "Odell watch" going 24x7 on ESPN/NFLN/everywhere. You get Odell likely tweeting some stupid shit which hurts the Giants leverage. We get Josina Anderson quoting "sources close to Odell" on some nonsense which likely would end up trying to get him to the Rams. And you get Antonio Brown all over again where you don't get close to a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers.

What this sounds like, more than anything, was Gettleman and the Giants didn't give Big Mike the scoop as they apparently did to Jay Glazer who was tipped off that Odell was getting traded (hence his "shocking move" thing in March before the trade). Francesa's access clearly was shut off, perhaps by Gettleman and Shurmur and now he's lashing out, which is pretty much Francesa's MO for years.


The funny thing Matt, gettleman actually said to francesa that if things go as they expect, they would be drafting a quarterback in the draft. This was said during the pre draft interview Mike did with gettleman. Mike was so stuck on his opinion that either you ride with Eli or wipe the slate clean and move on. You can't do both, have Eli and a 1st round quarterback that he totally dismissed what gettleman said.

The direct question and answer in the interview.

Mike: So, we should expect a young quarterback added this year?

Dave: If everything works out...probably
So the Giants are freezing Francessa out  
Metnut : 8/7/2019 9:25 am : link
because he said some mean things? Do we really want to take the first step toward running things like the Knicks?

Francessa is a blowhard but he has the biggest radio show in NY. DG can suck it up and do a 10 minute interview spot.
RE: Part of me  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/7/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14521046 Matt in SGS said:
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thinks that you empower Francesa's sense of self worth if you duck him because he will beat the drum that "he can't take the heat of me and NY!"

However, what has fascinated me to no end in all of this was "Gettleman lied to us". WTF is that supposed to mean? We all know that in a competitive environment, corporate or sports, senior management never tells you what is going on. Decisions are made behind closed doors and the answers to the press questions are either vague or purposely misdirecting. If you don't think otherwise, you've never worked a day in a corporate environment in your life.

If anything, if I'm the Mara family, and Gettleman goes to the press and says that "yes, I'm trading Odell", I'm firing DG because guess what happens? You get an "Odell watch" going 24x7 on ESPN/NFLN/everywhere. You get Odell likely tweeting some stupid shit which hurts the Giants leverage. We get Josina Anderson quoting "sources close to Odell" on some nonsense which likely would end up trying to get him to the Rams. And you get Antonio Brown all over again where you don't get close to a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers.

What this sounds like, more than anything, was Gettleman and the Giants didn't give Big Mike the scoop as they apparently did to Jay Glazer who was tipped off that Odell was getting traded (hence his "shocking move" thing in March before the trade). Francesa's access clearly was shut off, perhaps by Gettleman and Shurmur and now he's lashing out, which is pretty much Francesa's MO for years.


This is definitely a combination of Mike feel jilted and a few years of questionable moves by the entire Giants organization.
RE: If you dont believe a word he says  
jhibb : 8/7/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14520911 90.Cal said:
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Why are crying about interviewing him?


Exactly!

I would have very little interest in speaking to someone who has very clearly stated publicly (or privately, even) that they don't believe a word I say. So I get Gettleman not making the effort to go on his show.

But like you said, I'd also have very little interest in speaking to someone when I know I don't believe a word they say. So I don't get Francesa's problem with Gettleman not coming on.

I don't tweet.  
Klaatu : 8/7/2019 9:36 am : link
It seems to me that Twitter turns everyone into a teenage girl.
I don't understand why  
Jan in DC : 8/7/2019 9:38 am : link
teams in professional sports take this media stuff so seriously. Reporters get paid to generate content, generate clicks and come up with hot takes, especially in the offseason.

Francessa ran his mouth? Shocking! It's what he has always done. And it's what all of these reporters will always do.

Does DG have conviction that he's done the right thing? Of course he does. So just talk and say that and take the rest of it for what it is. An act and a song and dance to drum up faux outrage and make Joey from Yonkers call in and go ballistic.

Most people I know have stopped listening a long time ago.

RE: RE: Part of me  
CalZone : 8/7/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14521084 TrueBlue56 said:
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Mike was so stuck on his opinion that either you ride with Eli or wipe the slate clean and move on.


The thing is, this was the most sound decision to make. Keeping Eli and drafting a QB at #6 was such a half-measure, especially with a team who is still growing to become something (not a winning team now).
A much needed pass rusher could have been added, or cap dump of 17M could have been had. If the later, the #6 pick QB would have gotten the valuable snaps he needed, from day 1.

At the end of the day, this was a lame decision by the Giants, and actually shitty for Eli. Eli would have found a team. Maybe not right away, but eventually with injuries, and a solid option for a team that is competitive.

This was Mike's feeling on it, and he was passionate about it, on behalf of both sound decision making and doing what's best for Eli.

I agreed with Mike 100% on this.
RE: I don't understand why  
jhibb : 8/7/2019 9:43 am : link
In comment 14521115 Jan in DC said:
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teams in professional sports take this media stuff so seriously. Reporters get paid to generate content, generate clicks and come up with hot takes, especially in the offseason.

Francessa ran his mouth? Shocking! It's what he has always done. And it's what all of these reporters will always do.

Does DG have conviction that he's done the right thing? Of course he does. So just talk and say that and take the rest of it for what it is. An act and a song and dance to drum up faux outrage and make Joey from Yonkers call in and go ballistic.

Most people I know have stopped listening a long time ago.


The very same logic could be used to argue that it's not worth it for DG to even bother going on his show.
The problem isnít being able  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 9:48 am : link
to defend the pick and his decisions as GM. The problem is that Francesa is acting like a jilted lover for being ďlied toĒ and then looking like a fool because his information was bad. He no longer has a solid ďinĒ on Giants intel.

I know many donít listen to Francesa but I do and leading up to the draft he wasnít like this. His tune changed once he was ďlied toĒ and has been on attack mode ever since. You cant reason with someone like that, and Gettleman should be discussing football, not hurt feelings by talkshow hosts.

0 chance I give Mike the time of day either after acting like that.
I didn't read this thread but I saw the tweet  
arniefez : 8/7/2019 9:49 am : link
from Hanlon. Doesn't matter much to me I wouldn't have listened anyway but Francesa has been sucking up to the Mara's for 30 years. It's typical that the one time he does one of his entertainment rants that they don't like Gettleman and Hanlon the two thin skinned bullies they employee as faces of their franchise race to the rescue. Right in character for the Giants. Nothing new. If Wellington was still alive he would be counting tweets from sportswriters instead of measuring the columns in the NY Times to see if the Giants were getting more than the Jets. This is who the Mara's are.
RE: Francesa will bash the Giants all year long.  
The_Boss : 8/7/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14520829 Mr. Bungle said:
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If you don't do his show, he hates you forever.


If they look inept/boring/weak, heís going to shit on DG and Shurmer hard. If theyíre losing, but signs are there of competence, he might go the route of ďthis is a young team who needs to lean how to win in this leagueĒ.
If it was only about a criticism  
GeoMan999 : 8/7/2019 9:49 am : link
That would be ok. But Francesca was mad that he had not been told they were taking Jones!! How absolutely childish can you be!!

I am ok with DG telling Francesca to go F himself!!
CalZone  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 9:51 am : link
again, the decision isnít what the problem between the two is. Itís personal with Mike, as Iíve stated above. This isnít a GM not wanting to answer football questions, he does that all the time.

So if he answers questions on the draft and Beckham and everything else with tons of different reporters, is the problem with DG or the guy who notoriously hates anyone that wonít talk to him?
The haughtiness...  
bw in dc : 8/7/2019 9:51 am : link
and phoniness of Jints Central.

One of the supposed reasons why Jones was drafted was because the great decision makers at Jints Central were confident he could manage and deal with the big, bad, mean NY press. Jones could follow in Eli's footsteps and be a real grown up.

But now these sages don't want to deal with the big, bad, mean NY press because one of them hurt their feelings by criticizing their delicate GM.

How absolutely perfect...
I have a feeling that from the Giants perspective  
Chris684 : 8/7/2019 9:53 am : link
this has a lot more to do with the fact that Francesa claimed to know Eli's intentions regarding his spot on Mike's show as it related to the selection of Daniel Jones.

Francesa single-handedly created a PR storm for the Giants that they did not need around the team.

again, I actually listen to Francesa every day and if you don't think his behavior in April regarding all of this was out of line, you were either not listening or not paying attention.
I think anyone who gives the finger to the media  
dep026 : 8/7/2019 9:54 am : link
is ok with me.
bw  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 9:56 am : link
that isnít whatís happening here.

I challenge anyone to listen to the audio of mike his first day on air after the draft and tell me thatís someone worth speaking to. Mike got bad info and now he hates Gettleman, thatís childish and not worth Gettelmans time.

Also, Eli isnít doing Mikes show either because heís tired of being asked about his last year, when will he be benched, etc. is he in the wrong too?
.  
arcarsenal : 8/7/2019 9:58 am : link
Amazing to me that half the people on this thread are actually defending Francesa here.

Go back and listen to how fucking childish and unprofessional he acted after the draft. Why does Dave Gettleman owe him anything? Because he's the media?

Fuck that. No one has to bow down to Mike Francesa.
RE: The haughtiness...  
Chris684 : 8/7/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14521128 bw in dc said:
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and phoniness of Jints Central.

One of the supposed reasons why Jones was drafted was because the great decision makers at Jints Central were confident he could manage and deal with the big, bad, mean NY press. Jones could follow in Eli's footsteps and be a real grown up.

But now these sages don't want to deal with the big, bad, mean NY press because one of them hurt their feelings by criticizing their delicate GM.

How absolutely perfect...


Funny how the GM is being called "delicate" by all of the moronic fans who claim to know more about football than him, are mad that he once referenced God, and poked a little fun at analytics. Many can not get over this.

If he's so delicate, why does he have a reputation for being so cut throat when it comes to turning over a roster?

This is probably coming directly from Mara in response to Mike making a dick public relations move against the Giants by announcing he knew what Eli's intentions were based off of drafting Jones.
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