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Pat Hanlon fires back at Francesa

Bold Ruler : Mod : 8/6/2019 8:30 pm
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Refresher: “The Giants now act like losers, they have no plan like losers, and the people running the team, in my estimation, are losers. I don’t believe a word Gettleman says. Not a word. He lied to everyone about what he was doing. ... the Giants are an utter embarrassment."
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For the first time in my WFAN career I will not be doing a training camp program from Giants camp. Was invited but told there would be no access to GM. Dave Gettleman should have enough confidence and conviction to explain his decisions. If he is hiding, I’ll pass.
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Francessa crossed the line with his personal attacks on DG  
Torrag : 8/7/2019 1:22 pm : link
Part of the mans job as GM of the Giants is literally keeping the teams true intentions about personnel decisions internal to the organization. It would hurt the teams future if the rest of the NFL new their real thinking.

MF went too far because he was butthurt about not having an exclusive on the Giants plans. He took bis remarks too far. They weren't about football but people and it soured the relationship. It's his fault.

Now he's over reacting by not going to camp to cover literally everyone else that's a part of the franchise? Even Eli who doesn't go on air with him anymore will be available if FAN did a camp broadcast.

Childish stuff by Mike.
Torrag  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 1:24 pm : link
yup
RE: Weak  
Mr. Bungle : 8/7/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14521348 Thegratefulhead said:
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I would prefer he go on with MF as a hostile interview and challenge MF for his bullshit.

Which would reward Francesa with ratings and publicity.
Francesca is Irrelevant  
clatterbuck : 8/7/2019 1:36 pm : link
in NY. Nobody cares any more.
There are two things that annoyed Francesa, IMO  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2019 1:58 pm : link
1) he felt like he was out of the loop with the Giants' draft intentions (as he should have been).

2) he seems to have decided that the Giants' decision to draft Jones is what led to Eli withdrawing from his weekly appearance (let's be honest, most fans would tune in to hear Eli, not Francesa, so this does suck for him, even though we've discussed previously and ad nauseam that Eli had already withdrawn before the draft).
I used to listen to the Pope because he was entertaining and even  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/7/2019 2:09 pm : link
respected his insight into the NFL as far as an around the league perspective. The last five years though they game has completely passed him by as far as understanding football.

Pope also has this super annoying quality where he will trash anyone that doesn't do his show and kiss the ass of the people that do. Pope is just pissed because he is getting boxed out. The Giants have been victim to him because he was the most powerful voice locally. Key word there is was. You don't need to have the Pope on your side anymore to quell dissatisfaction of the masses. And if he had the same pull as he used to it would have been wise for DJ to do his show like Eli has. He doesn't have that pull anymore. He is old man yelling at clouds territory.

His take on the April draft is pretty much because he wasn't privy to inside info anymore and he threw a hissy fit. Guy has a ridiculously inflated opinion of himself and may have been true once upon a time. Reminds me of the hot chick that has aged out and doesn't handle it very well.
RE: There are two things that annoyed Francesa, IMO  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/7/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14521432 Gatorade Dunk said:
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1) he felt like he was out of the loop with the Giants' draft intentions (as he should have been).

2) he seems to have decided that the Giants' decision to draft Jones is what led to Eli withdrawing from his weekly appearance (let's be honest, most fans would tune in to hear Eli, not Francesa, so this does suck for him, even though we've discussed previously and ad nauseam that Eli had already withdrawn before the draft).


Honestly, after a few brutal Eli performances this past couple years I'd tune in to hear would Pope would ask him, but softball city. Why anyone ever listens to those is beyond me, you know Eli isn't going to say anthing other than repeating the same 3 things over and over again after a loss. Could probably recite in my sleep by now and I've heard maybe 15 post game interviews/pressers from him. I'm much more interested in waht the coach has to say because he may actually give some insight.
"And these are the Days of our Giants"  
micky : 8/7/2019 4:18 pm : link
Soap will continue after these commercial .....
I have listened to Francesca only a few times  
Scyber : 8/7/2019 4:35 pm : link
And I don't understand why anyone would listen to him regularly.
I think Gettleman is doing exactly  
Jersey55 : 8/7/2019 4:43 pm : link
what needs to be done to an ego maniac like Francesca, put him in his place and show him he's just a loud mouthed jerk off...
RE: There are two things that annoyed Francesa, IMO  
upnyg : 8/7/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14521432 Gatorade Dunk said:
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1) he felt like he was out of the loop with the Giants' draft intentions (as he should have been).

2) he seems to have decided that the Giants' decision to draft Jones is what led to Eli withdrawing from his weekly appearance (let's be honest, most fans would tune in to hear Eli, not Francesa, so this does suck for him, even though we've discussed previously and ad nauseam that Eli had already withdrawn before the draft).


That's pretty much it!
RE: RE: So Reese let everyone and their mother know  
djm : 8/7/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14521221 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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he wanted to take Leonard Floyd 3 years ago

He was crushed for letting everyone know about it and the Bears leap frogged us to take him.

Now we have a GM who puts up smoke screens and did not let anyone know what his intensions were, and some Ahole Media Diva is ripping him apart for that.

My feelings about this are.... fuck Mike F



Nobody's allowed to say he "puts up smokescreens" after the Barkley draft.


Right because everyone just knew we were taking jones at six.

Please just stop with this smoke screen nonsense.
RE: It may not have been  
djm : 8/7/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14521368 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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for the entire league to know who they were picking. Why would having that knowledge out there ever be okay, is the point.



You’re really going to hold DGs feet to the fire because he proclaimed that Barkley was a wonderful rb prospect weeks before the draft. Mind you, he never said he was drafting Barkley.

You guys get worked up over some strange shit sometimes.

Ps— this entire debate and whether DG is bad, good, or wrong about this Francessa nonsense is 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Literally, 100% meaningless.
RE:  
djm : 8/7/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14521610 micky said:
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Soap will continue after these commercial .....


Change giants to NYG fan base and media.
I like Francessa too......  
BillKo : 8/7/2019 6:37 pm : link
....who the hell else is there to listen to on terrestrial radio?

But why would DG need to be completely honest, or revealing, with what the Giants were up to for the draft? And what if they had a last second change of heart?

Francessa needs to understand that, and accept it. It's part of how the NFL works.

I also think Francessa was pissed about Eli not renewing, and not entirely sure of the timing, that could be connected.

If I were DG, I would go on the show and basically lay out that's how it works, if you don't like it, well.....I'm not sure what I can tell ya! You don't have to invite me on Mike............



RE: RE: It may not have been  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2019 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14521687 djm said:
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In comment 14521368 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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for the entire league to know who they were picking. Why would having that knowledge out there ever be okay, is the point.




You’re really going to hold DGs feet to the fire because he proclaimed that Barkley was a wonderful rb prospect weeks before the draft. Mind you, he never said he was drafting Barkley.

You guys get worked up over some strange shit sometimes.

Ps— this entire debate and whether DG is bad, good, or wrong about this Francessa nonsense is 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Literally, 100% meaningless.

Pretty much everything we post here is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. You can resume your regularly scheduled knobslobbing now.
RE: RE: It may not have been  
bw in dc : 8/7/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14521687 djm said:
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You’re really going to hold DGs feet to the fire because he proclaimed that Barkley was a wonderful rb prospect weeks before the draft. Mind you, he never said he was drafting Barkley.

You guys get worked up over some strange shit sometimes.

Ps— this entire debate and whether DG is bad, good, or wrong about this Francessa nonsense is 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Literally, 100% meaningless.


I disagree. I find it very meaningful.

This is the ideal time for DG to be the bigger party. I think most agree that Francessor is being petty. But whether you like him or not, he’s a NY media icon. Avoiding him because Jints Central forgot that “sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me” is just as petty.

It’s actually a bit embarrassing that they have decided on the dove route because the narcoleptic radio host was soooo mean...

It’s crazy to me that any of you care  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2019 8:05 pm : link
and think him going on the show would increase your opinion of him. It doesn’t matter, talking to a radio show host will never matter.

Couldn’t care less about the GM personality. Either he fixes this team or he doesn’t. Reese was a doormat, didn’t care. All that mattered was whether we won and he did that at first then didn’t, he’s now gone. Him going on Francesa and playing his game wouldn’t change a single thing for me not his legacy.
RE: Francessa crossed the line with his personal attacks on DG  
Jimmy Googs : 8/7/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14521386 Torrag said:
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Part of the mans job as GM of the Giants is literally keeping the teams true intentions about personnel decisions internal to the organization. It would hurt the teams future if the rest of the NFL new their real thinking.

MF went too far because he was butthurt about not having an exclusive on the Giants plans. He took bis remarks too far. They weren't about football but people and it soured the relationship. It's his fault.

Now he's over reacting by not going to camp to cover literally everyone else that's a part of the franchise? Even Eli who doesn't go on air with him anymore will be available if FAN did a camp broadcast.

Childish stuff by Mike.


Totally agree. But still think DG should go on the show, give his views (keeping them as general but fair as possible) and take the high road.

If he and the Giants are comfortable with their decisions then there is no downside...

RE: RE: RE: It may not have been  
TrueBlue56 : 8/8/2019 12:26 am : link
In comment 14521753 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14521687 djm said:


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You’re really going to hold DGs feet to the fire because he proclaimed that Barkley was a wonderful rb prospect weeks before the draft. Mind you, he never said he was drafting Barkley.

You guys get worked up over some strange shit sometimes.

Ps— this entire debate and whether DG is bad, good, or wrong about this Francessa nonsense is 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Literally, 100% meaningless.



I disagree. I find it very meaningful.

This is the ideal time for DG to be the bigger party. I think most agree that Francessor is being petty. But whether you like him or not, he’s a NY media icon. Avoiding him because Jints Central forgot that “sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me” is just as petty.

It’s actually a bit embarrassing that they have decided on the dove route because the narcoleptic radio host was soooo mean...


You are making way too much out of this. The giants offered Mike the access to all of the coaches and players to do a show. Gettleman is the only one not available. Gettleman did a radio spot on SiriusXM plus he did his press conference a week ago. Tom Coughlin stopped doing his weekly radio spots with Mike while he was head coach.

Gettleman does not need to do the interview for the giants, the fans or even for wfan. The giants will not be effected in the slightest if Dave does it or not. If you want to hear what gettleman thinks about the players and team then I suggest you go on giants.com and pull up his press conference or if you have SiriusXM pull up the interview he did with Bob Papa and David Diehl.
WFAN is the Giants' flagship radio station  
GeofromNJ : 8/8/2019 12:47 am : link
and Francesa is their biggest personality. Gettleman, as the team decision maker, should agree to Francesa's request for an interview, Francesa calling him a liar and a loser notwithstanding.
RE: WFAN is the Giants' flagship radio station  
TrueBlue56 : 8/8/2019 7:16 am : link
In comment 14521947 GeofromNJ said:
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and Francesa is their biggest personality. Gettleman, as the team decision maker, should agree to Francesa's request for an interview, Francesa calling him a liar and a loser notwithstanding.


What does wfan being the flagship station have to do with it? What does Francesa being the biggest personality have to do with anything? I really don't understand this is as any kind of reasoning as to why gettleman should do an interview. Mike Francesa is not the only show in town and he is not the only media outlet available to the giants or even gettleman.

Gettleman has his reasons as to why he doesn't want to do the interview with him and he is perfectly in his right regardless of his reasons. He is under no contract or obligation.
RE: It’s crazy to me that any of you care  
arcarsenal : 8/8/2019 8:20 am : link
In comment 14521767 UConn4523 said:
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and think him going on the show would increase your opinion of him. It doesn’t matter, talking to a radio show host will never matter.

Couldn’t care less about the GM personality. Either he fixes this team or he doesn’t. Reese was a doormat, didn’t care. All that mattered was whether we won and he did that at first then didn’t, he’s now gone. Him going on Francesa and playing his game wouldn’t change a single thing for me not his legacy.


I actually don't think it would even increase most of these guys' opinions of Gettleman at all. They just jump at any chance they get to make a big stink over anything he says or does.

Had he actually agreed to continue doing his spot with Mike, not one person criticizing him would be giving him any credit for it and probably wouldn't even listen. But since he's not - it's a big deal.

It's amazing that this thread is even what it is. This is such a non-issue in the grand scheme of things.

Oh no... the optics!
arc  
UConn4523 : 8/8/2019 8:57 am : link
no doubt in my mind that it becomes a bigger deal if he went on the show and defended himself. It was be spun, twisted and distorted into whatever people want it to sound like. "Gettleman shouldn't have given this petulant child the time of day", "he shouldn't be so thinned skinned", etc. Basically, the exact same arguments for everything else.
Francessa wouldn't allow the  
ron mexico : 8/8/2019 9:03 am : link
conversation to be about anything he said last year anyway

Francesa  
PaulN : 8/8/2019 9:57 am : link
Is acting like a baby, but Gettleman does too, I think Gettleman was smart to stay away, no way he would be able to contain himself. He iis terrible in front of a mic. But I could care less, as long as gets the roster right. But he better be right on Jones, or it could get ugly for him andd the Giants.
Arc  
afann : 8/8/2019 10:46 am : link
You are so right because if DG went on Fatcessa’s show, everyone would say that he doesn’t shut up and loves to talk. DG is talking to the media and answering questions just not with the guy who said he was a loser.
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