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do the giants have to win thursday? It’s a preseason and

plato : 8/7/2019 12:29 am
therefore a meaningless game right? I say NO, Giants must learn how to win and that starts ASAP.

there is much involved in learning how to win. i remember when Coach Parcells put the Giants first team back in the 4th Quarter of a “meaningless” preseason game so the Giant team of that time would remember how important winning is. it will be interesting to see how this coach approaches this. it will tell a lot about him and this team.

whether the jets makes it different i think is irrelevant. but we should be watching closely, there is more learning than just positional awareness going on.
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Important to Win....No, But  
varco : 8/7/2019 8:13 am : link
Looking back to last season's first preseason game, I recall being very disappointed in that the team's historical weaknesses were on full display...opposing tight ends and WR's running wild, poor offensive line play, no pass rush, etc. Would I like to see a win ....sure, but to me, it's much more important to see improved play by the defense and decent blocking by the reconstructed offensive line. I would rather see the team displaying a core set of competencies to build upon vs. having to start from scratch. I know there is no real game planning or scheming in the first preseason game, but being outclassed, talent-wise, like we were last year, would not be a good sign.
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christian : 8/7/2019 8:17 am : link
There is truth in wine and children. But not so much in this thread.
No  
JonC : 8/7/2019 8:26 am : link
This team is so young they're still learning the fundamentals of the systems. At this stage, you basically want to see them demonstrate grasp of their assignments and a low number of mental errors. You want to see them compete and bust their ass.

Real basic.
All I want is for...  
dep026 : 8/7/2019 8:43 am : link
Eli to checkdown on 3rd and 8 for five yards...
The OL to whiff on a stunt
Barkley to be hit as soon as he touches it
The defense to give up a 3rd and 11 to a guy wide open

Then I’ll know we are in mid season form :)

And BBI will be a joy to read.
Of course they don't need to win  
Mike from Ohio : 8/7/2019 8:44 am : link
These guys have played and coached football most of their lives and have had success doing so or they wouldn't have made it this far. Nobody on that roster is some high school freshman who doesn't understand what is expected of him.

Get out of this game with no significant injuries and it will have been a good game.
RE: Largely meaningless from a score perspective, but how nice  
BillT : 8/7/2019 8:45 am : link
In comment 14521015 Jimmy Googs said:
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would it be to come out of the game and say “Wow, Jones looked good”...

Agree but Jones is going to face the Eli issue. With the 2nd team OL in shambles due to injury he going to have a very shaky unit in front of him. Hopefully the Jets 2nd team D is equally inept.
No injuries and see the rookies play well  
Matt in SGS : 8/7/2019 8:48 am : link
that's all I've cared about in watching pre-season games for the past 30+ years.

Now, I will grant that with the changes in the CBA and training camp hitting, that pre-season means more now as far as the physical aspect to get into "football shape" and be ready for live hitting. So that part is much different than in the past.

But any game in which you don't actually game plan for the opponent (and in this case, playing the Jets in the season means you should show less), similar to spring training baseball when the game is going on as guys are jogging around the warning track, I could care less about wins and losses.
I don't think it's a very important night for Jones  
NBGblue : 8/7/2019 8:56 am : link
but every snap is big for Lauletta and Tanney. One of them isn't going to make the team and this is their chance to make their case for staying or possibly getting picked up by another team.
Come on man....  
ATL_Giants : 8/7/2019 8:57 am : link
 
Yep  
ctc in ftmyers : 8/7/2019 8:58 am : link
The hell with the regular season. I want that preseason trophy.

Why work on assigments? Keep the first team in for the entire game. They should be able to beat rookies with no preplaning on either side.

I don't give a shit if we lose all preseason games as long as we get the needed work in.
Yes, I agree, its extremely important that all these players  
PatersonPlank : 8/7/2019 9:05 am : link
who will be selling insurance come September learn how to win
And so it begins  
BigBlueShock : 8/7/2019 9:06 am : link
Tomorrow’s game thread should be a real treasure...
BBI often dismisses poor pre-season play...  
EricJ : 8/7/2019 9:07 am : link
we make excuses for the team. Well it does not count. Or.. it was a vanilla game plan (HATE THAT).

Meanwhile, we get physically beaten by our opponents. The offensive line getting pushed back into our QB is not related to play calling. It is an indication that the people in those positions are out matched.

Same on the defensive side of the ball. I am more concerned about the point of attack versus what happens on the back end. If we cannot control the line of scrimmage in pre-season, then we will struggle during the regular season.

We should expect the secondary to struggle. There, you rely a lot on the mental part of the game and scheme. Players out of position giving up big plays can be corrected.
I get your point about building a winning culture  
Rudy5757 : 8/7/2019 9:07 am : link
but preseason is just that, a warm up to the regular season. You want to see guys progress from game 1 to game 4. Teams play a lot of basic O and D so its about executing even though you may not be in the correct O or D for the situation.

This is a great time to evaluate the O and D lines where you really cant do as much in camp. The O in general should look sharp, run the right routes and pick up the assignments.

Its evaluation, the score is meaningless. If we win but our top O and D play like shit its a loss. You can also lose the game and see some players shine and be able to evaluate them better. This is a big game for the 2nd and 3 teamers and any 1st team guys looking to solidify their spot.
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arcarsenal : 8/7/2019 9:08 am : link
Crucial, crucial game. Sets the tone for the whole season.

Safe to say, if NYG loses this game - it's going to be another long year....
You build team culture by winning games that count.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/7/2019 9:10 am : link
And that's hard to do when your starters are lost for the season in exhibition games.
has to be a parody account.  
bigbluehoya : 8/7/2019 9:10 am : link
right?
Win the first drive on O and the first drive on D.  
DC Gmen Fan : 8/7/2019 9:15 am : link
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Be less stupid.  
TheManUpstairs : 8/7/2019 9:21 am : link
The notion that they MUST win the first goddamned preseason game is absurd. Anyone who thinks so is just a slack-jawed moron.
Sarcasm does not register when posted. You guys need to label it as  
Ivan15 : 8/7/2019 9:24 am : link
LOL or something like that.

Otherwise it is tough to separate sarcasm from the comments from Martians.
RE: .  
Giantology : 8/7/2019 9:30 am : link
In comment 14521079 arcarsenal said:
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Crucial, crucial game. Sets the tone for the whole season.

Safe to say, if NYG loses this game - it's going to be another long year....


Agreed. We can't afford to shoot ourselves in the leg with the first big game of the year. It's do or die.
The 1’s, in recent history, have looked like shit every preseason  
The_Boss : 8/7/2019 9:31 am : link
Most of that can be attributed to a shit OL which couldn’t handle vanilla stunts. How many times have we seen the starting OL going about a quarter in preseason game 4? I’ll watch, no doubt. But I do expect to see plenty of mistakes and poor play.
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Klaatu : 8/7/2019 9:35 am : link


Must-win preseason games? What a concept!
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I am Ninja : 8/7/2019 9:58 am : link
A new record for premature must win threads. holy shit some of you guys are just brutal.
RE: ________  
arcarsenal : 8/7/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14521136 I am Ninja said:
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A new record for premature must win threads. holy shit some of you guys are just brutal.


You think these posts are brutal? Check this one out...

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I am Ninja : 8/6/2019 9:21 pm : link : reply
the giants are and have been a fuckin joke top to bottom for years now. dont get all fuckin protective of these fuckin idiots.


Fuckin brutal, mate!
It's really important to win ...  
RobCarpenter : 8/7/2019 10:05 am : link
If you are a lousy NFL coach. Just ask Steve Spurrier how it worked out for him after his first preseason 38-7 win vs the 49ers in Japan. He never understood why his offense didn't work in the regular season after he had so much success in that preseason game.

Preseason is for figuring out the depth chart and letting your starters have some game reps to get ready for the season.

I'd like to see the first team O and D look good, and I'd like to see production from the draftees.

And NO INJURIES



Get out the game with NO injuries  
blueblood : 8/7/2019 10:07 am : link
period
Man...  
Chris in Philly : 8/7/2019 10:12 am : link
I can't wait to hear Aristotle's take...
Parcells didn't put the starters back in  
WillieYoung : 8/7/2019 10:15 am : link
(if we're talking about the same game. LT wanted a shutout and insisted on going back in near the goal line to try to preserve the shutout.
Playing against the scheisskopf Williams in a meaningless game ...  
Spider56 : 8/7/2019 10:21 am : link
The main objective is to get out with no major injuries ...
I only care about two things.  
Brown Recluse : 8/7/2019 10:23 am : link
1. No injuries
2. Daniel Jones looking good
RE: Man...  
Klaatu : 8/7/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14521151 Chris in Philly said:
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I can't wait to hear Aristotle's take...




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No  
Rick in Dallas : 8/7/2019 10:31 am : link
Play game injury free. Interested to see how rookies and second year players perform Thursday.
No injuries  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/7/2019 10:37 am : link
I will look for a few things.

-They win the line of scrimmage on both sides. This ultimately is what they are building to and what will win the East imo.

-With Tate mostly likely out I hope the WR's gain valuable experience and that Shurmur sees where they can be utilized best in the offense and hopefully a surprise candidate emerges.

-That we have some potential to get after the QB.

This is like what Rex Ryan did and took these games WAY too seriously  
UberAlias : 8/7/2019 10:42 am : link
Most of the players on the field at the end of the game and "learning how to win" won't even be on the roster for week 1. You use the preseason to prepare your team and evaluate personnel, but you don't build a winning mentality in meaningless games.
RE: I only care about two things.  
Giantology : 8/7/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14521164 Brown Recluse said:
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1. No injuries
2. Daniel Jones looking good


3. Just win baby
RE: RE: Largely meaningless from a score perspective, but how nice  
Jimmy Googs : 8/7/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14521050 BillT said:
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In comment 14521015 Jimmy Googs said:


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would it be to come out of the game and say “Wow, Jones looked good”...


Agree but Jones is going to face the Eli issue. With the 2nd team OL in shambles due to injury he going to have a very shaky unit in front of him. Hopefully the Jets 2nd team D is equally inept.


Ok, well let’s see how it goes. Don’t need to caveat Oline issues in perpetuity...
1st team offense look competent  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/7/2019 11:15 am : link
Or hardly play at all. I don't remember the last time I saw that in preseason. Rookies and young players making plays.

An actual useful bit of. "analytics" would be the correlation between preseason and regular season wins. I assume it's 0.
Greg Williams defense  
Reale01 : 8/7/2019 11:34 am : link
Takes it all seriously, I worry about injuries anyu time we play his defenses.

Our #1 offense has looked bad in pre-season the last several years and it would be nice to see that change as there does appear to be a carryover.

The results are not critical but it would be nice to see them throwing the ball downfield a bit and controlling the LOS on offense.

It would be nice to control the LOS and get off the field on 3rd down on defense.

RE: RE: Man...  
Moondawg : 8/7/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14521173 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14521151 Chris in Philly said:


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I can't wait to hear Aristotle's take...





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eli θα είναι μια χαρά
RE: RE: RE: Man...  
Klaatu : 8/7/2019 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14521420 Moondawg said:
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In comment 14521173 Klaatu said:


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In comment 14521151 Chris in Philly said:


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I can't wait to hear Aristotle's take...





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eli θα είναι μια χαρά


It's all Greek to me.
Winning this game is irrelevant  
Torrag : 8/7/2019 1:54 pm : link
Starters won't play. Team won't scheme and game plan for the opponent.
I think you'll see Eli for a series or two  
micky : 8/7/2019 4:26 pm : link
And rest of game spread between tanney & Lauletta...😁
It's going to be a blood bath  
Joey in VA : 8/7/2019 4:29 pm : link
With no Remmers, Solder, Wheeler and Mihalik. Big George is a no go, so our top 5 tackles are out. That means guys like Paul Adams, Malcolm Bunche (who has been here for two days) and probably Nick Gates and Chad Slade have to man the OT spots. Gregg Williams is a dickhead supreme so he'll bring the house like the turd puncher he is. If all of our offensive players live, I will consider it a win.
I’ll guess Eli gets a series or two  
eli4life : 8/7/2019 7:02 pm : link
Then what? Tanney finishes the half then jones most of the second half and KL some time at the end?
No Injuries  
Larry in Pencilvania : 8/7/2019 8:47 pm : link
No Injuries
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Oh and No Injuries
Yup.  
Hsilwek92 : 8/7/2019 8:58 pm : link
Total must win. Just like the first spring training game of baseball season.

if anyone wonders why the conversation in America today is as warped  
plato : 8/7/2019 10:57 pm : link
as it is, just show them the thoughtful discussion on this thread
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/8/2019 8:31 am : link
it is more of an indication on how people react to a massively stupid premise.

Do they take it seriously or go off the rails since there isn't any meaningful discussion to be had.

But sure - blame society.
RE: if anyone wonders why the conversation in America today is as warped  
arcarsenal : 8/8/2019 8:35 am : link
In comment 14521925 plato said:
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as it is, just show them the thoughtful discussion on this thread


No, I think it's just how people react to really poorly thought-out ideas and threadstarts.

"There is more learning than just positional awareness going on"

What the heck does that even mean?
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