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Jints in Carolina : 8/7/2019 4:06 pm


BAL
Hanser Alberto (R) LF
Trey Mancini (R) RF
Anthony Santander (S) DH
Renato Nunez (R) 3B
Jonathan Villar (S) 2B
Pedro Severino (R) C
Stevie Wilkerson (S) CF
Chris Davis (L) 1B
Richie Martin (R) SS

John Means LHP
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adamg : 8/7/2019 10:21 pm : link
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Yankees hit 43 HR in 10 games vs Orioles at Camden Yards this season.

Orioles scored 44 runs in 10 games vs Yankees at Camden Yards this season.

Paxton nice game  
xman : 8/7/2019 10:39 pm : link
Erik Swanson not so good outing for Seattle
And they're actually 5 games better than the Tigers!  
Greg from LI : 8/7/2019 10:39 pm : link
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RE: Singleton saying if Boone doesn't win Manager of the Year  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/7/2019 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14521904 Del Shofner said:
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there's something wrong.

A little bit early for that but if current form holds, hard to disagree.


Maybe a a tad early but As Long as they win the division he should be unanimous.
The Orioles were actually playing .500  
Deejboy : 8/7/2019 11:55 pm : link
baseball since the start of the second half. They were 11-11. For the Orioles that was a big accomplishment. They weren't looking like an embarrassment. Then the Yankees showed up.
Call me crazy  
Marty866b : 8/8/2019 12:13 am : link
But I am not looking forward to either Sanchez or Stanton returning. Romine and Higgy have done an incredible job and they don't strike out and have so many terrible at bats like Sanchez. Sanchez has alarmingly looked like the same player as last year(his defense is better)the second half of the season. He has been a hole in the middle of the lineup. I also don't need to see Stanton either. This team has incredible chemistry and either Tauchman or Maybin would be sent down for Stanton which is IMO, a huge mistake. I realize that the Yankees aren't going to sit Stanton with his contract but the team is on a great run this season and Stanton has contributed nothing. Tough decisions are coming up and I am afraid it will not be for the better.
RE: Call me crazy  
Ron from Ninerland : 8/8/2019 1:41 am : link
In comment 14521941 Marty866b said:
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But I am not looking forward to either Sanchez or Stanton returning. Romine and Higgy have done an incredible job and they don't strike out and have so many terrible at bats like Sanchez. Sanchez has alarmingly looked like the same player as last year(his defense is better)the second half of the season. He has been a hole in the middle of the lineup. I also don't need to see Stanton either. This team has incredible chemistry and either Tauchman or Maybin would be sent down for Stanton which is IMO, a huge mistake. I realize that the Yankees aren't going to sit Stanton with his contract but the team is on a great run this season and Stanton has contributed nothing. Tough decisions are coming up and I am afraid it will not be for the better.
They can't send Maybin down. He's out of options. Stanton isn't coming back until the rosters expand in September probably.
RE: Call me crazy  
arcarsenal : 8/8/2019 8:11 am : link
In comment 14521941 Marty866b said:
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But I am not looking forward to either Sanchez or Stanton returning. Romine and Higgy have done an incredible job and they don't strike out and have so many terrible at bats like Sanchez. Sanchez has alarmingly looked like the same player as last year(his defense is better)the second half of the season. He has been a hole in the middle of the lineup. I also don't need to see Stanton either. This team has incredible chemistry and either Tauchman or Maybin would be sent down for Stanton which is IMO, a huge mistake. I realize that the Yankees aren't going to sit Stanton with his contract but the team is on a great run this season and Stanton has contributed nothing. Tough decisions are coming up and I am afraid it will not be for the better.


Romine and Higashioka have been fantastic in relief of Gary - but you're falling into a trap of small sample sizes.

Gary can carry a lineup by himself when he's hot. And I think fans are starting to write him off again - short memories.

As noted above, Maybin has no options. The Yankees aren't going to DFA him and lose him. He's been absolutely awesome and he's become a heart and soul player for this team.

Stanton isn't close to returning and Hicks probably isn't that close either. Odds are we're going to hit September or get close before we ever have to worry about who the odd man out is in the OF.

Regardless, worrying about whose place Stanton will take is pointless. He's barely doing anything but light, reduced-impact running right now. He's not close and this decision doesn't have to be made now or anytime soon. This stuff often shakes itself out.
Gary was probably worn out  
mattnyg05 : 8/8/2019 8:15 am : link
But for about 2 months heís been horrendous. Hopefully the rest will get him back to full strength and also maybe he can DH more when he does get back.
The brief O's renaissance under Buck...  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 8:35 am : link
masked how fundamentally shitty that organization was, top to bottom. They lucked out in large part because they had 6 top-5 picks in a row (and Machado was the only one who became a star). But their approach to IFA was shit, they were anathema to FAs because of their issues with physicals, and the majority of players couldn't wait to leave. Angelos was sitting on a devoted fan base and one of the great modern parks in baseball and he managed to piss that away, such that much of NOVA and even some of Southern MD have been given over to the Nats. Just a textbook case of how not to run a franchise.

They're in better shape going forward with Rutschman and DL Hall and seem to have really hit on Grayson Rodriguez (and they've changed over their pitching development so it is no longer a virtual certainty they'll destroy those arms) and they're starting to play in IFA, but it's still a pretty shallow farm, all things considered. They are years away.
Higashioka doesnt strike out?  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2019 8:43 am : link
He's got 16 Ks in 35 plate appearances.

Romine has a two week hot streak and the usual suspects pop up to pretend that this is who he is as a hitter, and not his wretched career stats. He also is inferior to Sanchez behind the plate - rag arm, calls a lousy game
Dunedin81  
YANKEE28 : 8/8/2019 8:44 am : link
Good morning,

Interested in your thoughts on Yankee righty starter Brian Keller.

He recently threw a no hitter in Trenton, and was rewarded with a promotion to AAA Scranton.

Should Yankees fans consider him as an eventual member of the Yankee rotation?
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2019 8:45 am : link
Sort of random, but passing on Harper looks better and better by the day...

.249/.370/.459/.829

19 HR, 73 RBI

2.6 fWAR

He's barely even a top 50 position player at this point and the Phillies are going nowhere. Not his fault - but that's a lot of scratch to pay for a guy who doesn't appear to be making much of a difference.
Harper fWAR 2.6  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2019 8:49 am : link
Tauchman 2.0. Strange but true.
RE: Dunedin81  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 8:58 am : link
In comment 14522003 YANKEE28 said:
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Good morning,

Interested in your thoughts on Yankee righty starter Brian Keller.

He recently threw a no hitter in Trenton, and was rewarded with a promotion to AAA Scranton.

Should Yankees fans consider him as an eventual member of the Yankee rotation?


Probably not. He dominated AA as a 25 year old, which is good, and it's hard to do better than a sub-1 WHIP and a BB rate around 2, but he's a fly ball pitcher with a (relatively) low K rate. Pitching at Trenton that hasn't meant homeruns, but that is unlikely to carry over to AAA. He has a deep repertoire, a crafty righty of sorts, but unless the needle has moved his velocity is 90-93 for the most part. He's more in that JAG category.
Thanks Dune  
YANKEE28 : 8/8/2019 9:01 am : link
Another question.

Who has a better future as a Yankees starter:

Deivi Garcia
or
Luis Gil

RE: Thanks Dune  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14522029 YANKEE28 said:
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Another question.

Who has a better future as a Yankees starter:

Deivi Garcia
or
Luis Gil


Gil has the frame to keep doing what he's doing. Smart money says that Deivi will eventually break down because virtually everyone that size and with that frame has done so. Pedro is really the only counter-example, maybe Billy Wagner (though Wagner wasn't as slight). But Deivi is younger and has done it at higher levels than Gil, so I wouldn't bet against him.
One last question  
YANKEE28 : 8/8/2019 9:11 am : link
The scouts seem pretty unanimous that Luis Medina has the best "arm" in the Yankees minors, but that his control has really held him back.

It seems (including last night), that he is finally getting better with control, but it has taken years to fix.

I believe he is Rule 5 eligible this offseason.

What do the Yankees do with Luis Medina this offseason?
RE: Higashioka doesnt strike out?  
section125 : 8/8/2019 9:14 am : link
In comment 14522002 Greg from LI said:
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He's got 16 Ks in 35 plate appearances.

Romine has a two week hot streak and the usual suspects pop up to pretend that this is who he is as a hitter, and not his wretched career stats. He also is inferior to Sanchez behind the plate - rag arm, calls a lousy game


Yes, every year Gary gets hurt, Romine plays well for a while before reality sets in and he gets back to normal.

He does not have Gary's arm and he is nowhere near perfect behind the plate. Romine is a backup catcher not a starter. While I don't agree he is the basket case whom you love to demean, he is not as good as the team states. He is what he paid to do, be a competent backup catcher.
by hook or by crook  
bigbluehoya : 8/8/2019 9:20 am : link
I'd think this is probably Romine's last year with NYY. He's making $1.8M right now, probably wants a raise from there in UFA. NYY can get the same or better production from Higgy, who has years of control left and more upside.

With the way Romine has swung the bat this season (well above his career numbers and well above his long-term ceiling, UFA couldn't be coming at a better time for him. If he can get a 3 year $10-12m deal from someone he should take the money and runnnnnn.
RE: One last question  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14522045 YANKEE28 said:
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The scouts seem pretty unanimous that Luis Medina has the best "arm" in the Yankees minors, but that his control has really held him back.

It seems (including last night), that he is finally getting better with control, but it has taken years to fix.

I believe he is Rule 5 eligible this offseason.

What do the Yankees do with Luis Medina this offseason?


Medina's issues are twofold. One is physical. Consensus is he falls off the mound in his follow-through, which impacts his control and his consistency. The other is mental. He has the unfortunate habit of turning adversity (a BB, a HBP, a fielding error) into catastrophe. This last start he didn't do that, he dealt with three fielding errors and still put up a zero. His BB rate has come down too, though it remains high. These last five starts have been the best month or so of his pro career, so the hope is that he's turned a corner.

IDK about the Rule 5 draft. It'd be tough to risk losing that arm, but the list of teams that could keep him in the bigs for a season is pretty small. Probably Baltimore and Miami, end of list.
RE: by hook or by crook  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14522055 bigbluehoya said:
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I'd think this is probably Romine's last year with NYY. He's making $1.8M right now, probably wants a raise from there in UFA. NYY can get the same or better production from Higgy, who has years of control left and more upside.

With the way Romine has swung the bat this season (well above his career numbers and well above his long-term ceiling, UFA couldn't be coming at a better time for him. If he can get a 3 year $10-12m deal from someone he should take the money and runnnnnn.


I think he wants somewhere he can at least plausibly compete for a job, even if he doesn't go in the favorite. That's probably a less competitive team.
It just  
YANKEE28 : 8/8/2019 9:33 am : link
bothers me to see what the Padres did with our catcher Luis Torrens.

Sure, he was horrible in the majors in 2017, but the Padres would not return him to the Yankees under Rule 5 and now have a great future player.

This year Torrens is on their 40 man roster, and is their every day catcher in AA. He is hitting .300 and has thrown out an amazing 48% of runners attempting to steal on him (in about 85 attempts).

I would just hate to see another team get a free pickup of Medina in the offseason.
RE: It just  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14522072 YANKEE28 said:
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bothers me to see what the Padres did with our catcher Luis Torrens.

Sure, he was horrible in the majors in 2017, but the Padres would not return him to the Yankees under Rule 5 and now have a great future player.

This year Torrens is on their 40 man roster, and is their every day catcher in AA. He is hitting .300 and has thrown out an amazing 48% of runners attempting to steal on him (in about 85 attempts).

I would just hate to see another team get a free pickup of Medina in the offseason.


It's a shitty rule. Torrens lost a full year of development time. For hitters in particular, getting thrown in over your head can devastate progression. It is to his credit that it didn't destroy him as a prospect, but it still creates some shitty incentives that are not player-friendly. It's tough to say for sure, but there's a good chance Torrens would be a full-time big leaguer by now if he had stayed healthy.
Yes, that Torrens thing is very annoying  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2019 9:38 am : link
A team that isn't even trying to win games can easily tote a kid around on their big league roster for an entire year and then send him back to the minors to develop. A total abuse of the Rule V system.
RE: RE: Higashioka doesnt strike out?  
Carson53 : 8/8/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14522048 section125 said:
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In comment 14522002 Greg from LI said:


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He's got 16 Ks in 35 plate appearances.

Romine has a two week hot streak and the usual suspects pop up to pretend that this is who he is as a hitter, and not his wretched career stats. He also is inferior to Sanchez behind the plate - rag arm, calls a lousy game



Yes, every year Gary gets hurt, Romine plays well for a while before reality sets in and he gets back to normal.

He does not have Gary's arm and he is nowhere near perfect behind the plate. Romine is a backup catcher not a starter. While I don't agree he is the basket case whom you love to demean, he is not as good as the team states. He is what he paid to do, be a competent backup catcher.
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Gary has been on the IL now three times with groin issues
since last year...Maybe he should consider a personal trainer and maybe take up yoga or pilates or something in the offseason.
He is heavy legged, and a catcher to boot.
Higgy might wind up as the backup next year, Romine is
a free agent. Higgy needs to make more contact, but he has pop.
The O's  
Carson53 : 8/8/2019 9:55 am : link
are so bad, I almost feel sorry for them.
That was bad optics in their dugout last night with Davis, and their manager...just a bad bad look, for a once
proud franchise!
You don't think Gary is working out...  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 9:55 am : link
with high-end personal trainers?
Fun fact  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2019 9:55 am : link
The Yankees are second in the league in homers with 198 despite Stanton playing just nine games, Judge playing only 58, and Sanchez playing only 77.
RE: The O's  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14522095 Carson53 said:
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are so bad, I almost feel sorry for them.
That was bad optics in their dugout last night with Davis, and their manager...just a bad bad look, for a once
proud franchise!


Davis is utterly untradeable, just an idiotic contract. He didn't want to be there either, he was begging the Cardinals to get in the same financial wheelhouse, but they (wisely) refused.
RE: You don't think Gary is working out...  
Carson53 : 8/8/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14522096 Dunedin81 said:
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with high-end personal trainers?


It doesn't appear to be working for his groin area does it?
Three times on the IL, since last year with groin issues.
Something like yoga or pilates might help, just saying.
RE: RE: The O's  
Carson53 : 8/8/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14522098 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 14522095 Carson53 said:


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are so bad, I almost feel sorry for them.
That was bad optics in their dugout last night with Davis, and their manager...just a bad bad look, for a once
proud franchise!



Davis is utterly untradeable, just an idiotic contract. He didn't want to be there either, he was begging the Cardinals to get in the same financial wheelhouse, but they (wisely) refused.
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I read he has three years left on that deal, ugh!
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2019 10:04 am : link
Hyde was right to yank Davis from that game. He was really, really dogging it. Wasn't chasing foul balls into foul territory, barely went after the ball that got under his glove on one of Maybin's hits, and even on a routine put out @ 1B, he just lazily flipped his glove up near his body to lazily catch the ball without even reaching for it on a LeMahieu groundout.

That guy is really something else. At least fucking hustle and bust it out there if you're not going to be able to hit. Terrible look for him.
Three more years for Davis...  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 10:05 am : link
but with deferrals they'll be paying him until 2037
Davis needs to be DFAed...  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 10:09 am : link
they need to bite the bullet and do it. Nothing good comes from him being on the team. He is well below replacement level on both offense and defense.
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2019 10:11 am : link
Yeah, they really just need to eat the money at this point and cut bait. He's a shitty guy to have there, he's blocking other guys who might be better solutions and his body language just sucks.

He's the very last thing you want on a rebuilding baseball team.
RE: Fun fact  
section125 : 8/8/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14522097 Greg from LI said:
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The Yankees are second in the league in homers with 198 despite Stanton playing just nine games, Judge playing only 58, and Sanchez playing only 77.


Thought Urshela's 2nd HR put them at 200 HRs and then they hit 2 or 3 more.

To your point, I guess the Twins will break and hold the record and the Yanks will be in 2nd place which is remarkable. despite the Juiced ball, with their best 3 power hitters sidelined so long.
RE: RE: Dunedin81  
Deejboy : 8/8/2019 11:07 am : link
In comment 14522023 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 14522003 YANKEE28 said:


Quote:


Good morning,

Interested in your thoughts on Yankee righty starter Brian Keller.

He recently threw a no hitter in Trenton, and was rewarded with a promotion to AAA Scranton.

Should Yankees fans consider him as an eventual member of the Yankee rotation?



Probably not. He dominated AA as a 25 year old, which is good, and it's hard to do better than a sub-1 WHIP and a BB rate around 2, but he's a fly ball pitcher with a (relatively) low K rate. Pitching at Trenton that hasn't meant homeruns, but that is unlikely to carry over to AAA. He has a deep repertoire, a crafty righty of sorts, but unless the needle has moved his velocity is 90-93 for the most part. He's more in that JAG category.

Zack Littell 2.0.
Littell isn't unreasonable as a comp...  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 11:12 am : link
but Keller has the added issue of being a fly ball pitcher. Not that he couldn't have a big league career, just that YS probably isn't the place for him to do it.
you're right - B-R's numbers aren't updated for last night  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2019 11:54 am : link
So it would be 203 now
RE: Higashioka doesnt strike out?  
adamg : 8/8/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14522002 Greg from LI said:
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He's got 16 Ks in 35 plate appearances.

Romine has a two week hot streak and the usual suspects pop up to pretend that this is who he is as a hitter, and not his wretched career stats. He also is inferior to Sanchez behind the plate - rag arm, calls a lousy game


But Greg we want Gary to DH to get Higgy's bat in the lineup.
Look, I have a soft spot for Higgy  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2019 12:33 pm : link
A couple of years ago I argued that they should replace Romine with him. I like the pop in his bat. The notion that he doesn't strike out much, though, is ridiculous.
Since today is a slow day...  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2019 1:30 pm : link
....a thought popped into my head. The Yankees played the Orioles in the 1996 ALCS. Yankees won the series 4-1 but it was closer than that would indicated - game 1 (the infamous Jeffrey Maier game) went extras, they had to come back in the 8th inning to win game 3, and game 4 was a one run game until the Yankees broke it open with 3 in the 8th.

When that series started in October 1996, the Orioles had won a championship more recently than the Yankees (1983 vs 1978). How dramatically the fortunes of the two organizations diverged after that series.

Or even since 1997. The Orioles played in the ALCS that year again, against the Indians after they knocked off the Yankees. They lost 4 games to 2, four one run losses, two in extra innings, two in walkoff situations, blowing leads in two of them. One of the extra innings games ended on a botched suicide squeeze - Omar Vizquel whiffed on the bunt attempt but, behind the plate, Charles Johnson dropped the pitch and that allowed Marquis Grissom to score the winning run. Brutal.
RE: The brief O's renaissance under Buck...  
Rover : 8/8/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14521996 Dunedin81 said:
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masked how fundamentally shitty that organization was, top to bottom. They lucked out in large part because they had 6 top-5 picks in a row (and Machado was the only one who became a star). But their approach to IFA was shit, they were anathema to FAs because of their issues with physicals, and the majority of players couldn't wait to leave. Angelos was sitting on a devoted fan base and one of the great modern parks in baseball and he managed to piss that away, such that much of NOVA and even some of Southern MD have been given over to the Nats. Just a textbook case of how not to run a franchise.

They're in better shape going forward with Rutschman and DL Hall and seem to have really hit on Grayson Rodriguez (and they've changed over their pitching development so it is no longer a virtual certainty they'll destroy those arms) and they're starting to play in IFA, but it's still a pretty shallow farm, all things considered. They are years away.

Couldnít have happened to a more deserving fan base.
Orioles fans always pissed me off with how they acted like they were entitled to DC or somehow the St Louis of baseball fans to the AL.

Their attendance sucked until the Colts moved, and then it was inflated by DC not having a team/Cals streak/1st new ball park/no football.

Iím happy they suck, Baltimore will always be Yankee Stadium South.
RE: you're right - B-R's numbers aren't updated for last night  
section125 : 8/8/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14522281 Greg from LI said:
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So it would be 203 now


203 with 49 games to go...
Greg  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 3:15 pm : link
Did you see Joey Bart, Heliot Ramos and Sean Hjelle are all moving up to Richmond? Wasn't going to visit the Diamond again this year but I may have to fit in a trip.
I did not  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2019 3:36 pm : link
Truthfully, I don't really follow the minors anymore outside of the Yankees system. I take it those guys are good? I only am familiar with the handful of very top prospects, the Wander Franco Gavin Lux kind of level.

The wife and I were just saying that we need to get out to a game. Haven't been yet this year, in no small part due to how hellishly hot the weather's been most of this summer.
Joey Bart was the #2 overall pick last year...  
Dunedin81 : 8/8/2019 3:48 pm : link
while Ramos was their first rounder the year before. They're their top two prospects. Sean Hjelle is 6'10" or so and their best pitching prospect.
good, they can use the infusion of talent  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2019 3:53 pm : link
Squirrels have been pretty bad for a while now
RE: .  
LS : 8/10/2019 8:55 am : link
In comment 14522120 arcarsenal said:
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Yeah, they really just need to eat the money at this point and cut bait. He's a shitty guy to have there, he's blocking other guys who might be better solutions and his body language just sucks.

He's the very last thing you want on a rebuilding baseball team.


I noticed when Davis was walking back to the dugout after the last time he struck out, he actually winked at his passing teammate going up to bat. Seriously?
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