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What are our expectations for 2019

Ned In Atlanta : 8/7/2019 11:20 pm
I think this team has a bright future. Maybe I’m overly negative about the 2019 Giants but I don’t think this is more than a 7 win team.

While improved, the o line still lacks depth and Solder was at best inconsistent last year. Hernandez and Zeitler seem like anchors at guard, and Halopio and Remmers are talented, solid players but they aren’t exactly sure things.

My biggest concern falls on our pass rush, coverage linebackers and WR. While there is reason for optimism with Lorenzo Carter, Golden is a huge question mark, Martin is a JAG and x man is a high upside rookie. I really like the D line with Hill, Lawrence and Tomlinson, but they don’t figure to generate many sacks. I don’t think it’s inconceivable to say this team could rank among the worst teams in the leagues for total sacks.

I also cringe when I think of the coverage linebackers trying to cover the Zeke, Ertz. godderts and Jordan reeds of the world. We don’t have a single linebacker that can’t competently cover athletic Rb/Tes. That’s huge in today’s NFL.

In terms of WRs, I was a huge proponent of trading Beckham. Addition by subtraction, a ticking time bomb. I love Shep and while not a huge fan of the Tate pickup he’s a decent placeholder for now, suspension aside. Outside of that the cabinet is bare.

My biggest worry is that the front office and coaching staff thinks this team is a win now team. I think they rightfully feel indebted to Eli and want to give him “one last run,” but even with Saquon right now I think this team is 2-3 years away from contention.

What say you?
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RE: Improvement, show me the arrow is pointing up  
BillT : 8/8/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14522135 JonC said:
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Still need to look at upgrades to the right side of the OL,

This surprises me coming from someone with your knowledge. You question if Zeitler is better than Ohmaneh/Brown and if Remmers is better than Flowrrs/Wheeler? Just had to understand that.
Sorry  
BillT : 8/8/2019 10:29 am : link
Just hard to understand that.
It's about Remmers and Halapio  
JonC : 8/8/2019 10:33 am : link
Remmers is a solid vet, but might not be part of the finished product in a season or two. His back is an unknown. The knowledge is just fine.
I've got some daddy brain  
JonC : 8/8/2019 10:34 am : link
and the writing isn't always on point.
Don't know  
PaulN : 8/8/2019 10:41 am : link
What to think or believe about this team or the direction. I have lost faith in the organization and no longer have a feel at all. I have lost faith in Eli, I am not at all impressed with Shurmur, I have lost respect with ownership, not they have any clue, and I wonder if the GM is nothing more then a blowhard. I also don't know about the Jones pick. Our expert questioned his ability to have a quick enough mind to read defenses and to go through progressions quick enough to be an NFL QB. Now they must prove my doubts wrong to win my confidence. You pick the next franchise QB because his demeanor is right, like Eli's? I hope he has the talent, or this thing is going to get ugly. Talk is over, time to start to prove something. Jones must be good and the team must win 8.
RE: It's about Remmers and Halapio  
BillT : 8/8/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14522146 JonC said:
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Remmers is a solid vet, but might not be part of the finished product in a season or two. His back is an unknown. The knowledge is just fine.

I get the "in a season or two" but for this year those two are night and day better than who they replaced. Next year is a different question.
"Those two"  
BillT : 8/8/2019 10:43 am : link
Zeitler and Remmers. Though I think Halapio is an upgrade from Pully.
RE: How about meaningful football  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/8/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14522131 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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post Columbus Day? I'm not really asking for much.


Lol this. At least we have a shiny new toy at QB if we don't. I'm pretty sick of our season being over before Halloween.
Lots of changes  
LG in NYC : 8/8/2019 10:51 am : link
Hopefully they are of the good kind and this is a team on the rise... don't really believe it until we see it however. No reason to trust any of the major players in this drama (Owner, GM, HC) thus far.

for 2019, probably safe to say 6-7 wins... at which point the only thing to root for is that D. Jones was worth taking at #6.
Still have concerns about OL and pass rush  
Rick in Dallas : 8/8/2019 11:07 am : link
Going into the season. Not to mention middle of the field pass defense which has been awful for far too long to mention.
Maybe 6 or 7 wins.
NFL filled with Parity  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/8/2019 11:07 am : link
Giants close the gap in Division and go at least 4-2. The match-up that has killed the Giants has been losing the battle at the lines. That tide turns this year imo.

Huge improvements on defense and although the secondary is young this is a good scheme with lots of press coverage which lends well to youth.....cover this guy!

Eli surprises and the last game against the Eagles at home will win the division.

Sydney or the Bush!  
Klaatu : 8/8/2019 11:26 am : link
GIANT STRIDES IN FIRST HALF OF SEASON...  
x meadowlander : 8/8/2019 11:32 am : link
...revamped OL is going to give Barkley space to inflict maximum damage and confidence to Eli Manning.

I expect 24+ per game from that offense.

Defense worries me. The inexperience as a unit, all the youth back there leaves potential for exploitation.

So I'm thinking like a 4-2 start to the season.


The major issue is depth. Once one or 2 OL go down, and they WILL go down - what happens? Revert to 2018? Same is true at WR, DL and Safety.

I don't think there are enough good players to get to 10-6.

I expect 8-8, 9-7
RE: RE: It's about Remmers and Halapio  
JonC : 8/8/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14522159 BillT said:
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In comment 14522146 JonC said:


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Remmers is a solid vet, but might not be part of the finished product in a season or two. His back is an unknown. The knowledge is just fine.


I get the "in a season or two" but for this year those two are night and day better than who they replaced. Next year is a different question.


Fair enough, I'll try to stay within the ocd lines.
RE: 7 wins is a failure for me.  
Jersey55 : 8/8/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14521968 Carl in CT said:
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It’s time to be in the postseason. No excuses. If not Jones better play 8 games.
if this team is truly in a rebuilding year the why is Eli still the starting QB?
RE: RE: 7 wins is a failure for me.  
mikeinbloomfield : 8/8/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14522549 Jersey55 said:
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In comment 14521968 Carl in CT said:


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It’s time to be in the postseason. No excuses. If not Jones better play 8 games.

if this team is truly in a rebuilding year the why is Eli still the starting QB?



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