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Junior22 : 8/9/2019 8:06 am
What a QB is far superior to anything else you can draft including a RB.

We know it will have bumps along the way for Jones but tell me that the Giants fanbase last night was not super giddy and now are super stoked for pre-season game 2 just to see the kid go out there and try and get better.

The level of excitement that position brings is unlike any in all sports.

Last year with SB we knew he was a stud but the level of happiness and excitement will never match what Jones gave last night and what he will continue to give as he improves along the way.

All I know is that I like my teams future with the combo of 2 great kids in Jones and Barkley

This year I expect no more than 6 wins if that but I will enjoy this season for sure because of the development of Jones and SB along with the young squad we have
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RE: RE: RE: One series in preseason  
arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14524176 ajr2456 said:
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Doesn't confirm anything either way. Lets slow down a bit here.



Well, if you'd bothered to read it, you'd have seen that there's no proclamation of anything in the OP other than the importance of the QB position and looking forward to the development of Jones.

The OP even goes on to say he doesn't think the team will win more than 6 games.

Leave it to BBI to take issue with anything and everything... even the most innocuous of posts.



You said it proves that QBs existed post 2018. That hasn't been proven yet by Jones. I wasn't referring to the OP


So, QB's didn't exist after last year's draft? Do you know what the word "exist" means?

You might want to read my post again and focus on that second paragraph - the part where I called him a complete unknown.

Or the last paragraph - where I said ...if he pans out.

Again, try reading before responding. I said nothing definitively about Jones other than the fact that it was possible to still get a QB despite punting on the 2018 class.

Make sense or do you need more help?
That was  
Josh in the City : 8/9/2019 9:29 am : link
about as impressive a debut as you could have scripted. I'm been vocal against this pick but I hope to hell that I'm wrong. So far, so good!
Iím smiling big again today  
5BowlsSoon : 8/9/2019 9:30 am : link
I believed Barkley last year was the right call and I have never doubted that Jones was the right call. I watched a ton of tape on Jones before the draft and after and was won over with what I saw. I know those are mostly positive tape but you still can see, he has some special qualities.

I have repeatedly praised DG for what he has done by restructuring our team as fast as he did and Iím stoked to watch this year play out and definitely next year when Jones takes over the reign to start the season.

And for the record, I am not one of these guys who think we only win 5 games this year. We won that many with a far inferior team. I would expect 7-8 at the minimum, and who knows what the maximum could be....? Stay tuned.
Jones wasnít even needed to know QBís existed past 2018.  
Britt in VA : 8/9/2019 9:35 am : link
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RE: That was  
crick n NC : 8/9/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14524190 Josh in the City said:
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about as impressive a debut as you could have scripted. I'm been vocal against this pick but I hope to hell that I'm wrong. So far, so good!


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Good response
RE: IMO, and its only my opinion, I think DJ has already shown  
5BowlsSoon : 8/9/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14524178 PatersonPlank said:
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more than Rosen and Josh Allen, 2 of the top 10 from last season. Also I don't see daylight between him and "super Darnold" either (who I admittedly never wanted or liked). Mayfield was a gem, but he was gone. If we got Barkley and then a guy who plays better than the QB's above we hit a home run.


Right on again brother.
I agree...Mayfield was the only one last year truly worthy and he was gone. Allen is very inconsistent and is still struggling in Buffalo...too inaccurate for my liking. Iím not a Darnold fan either but I guess he is okay, just glad we picked SB instead, especially seeing we have Jones.
did you see Eli's soft slow clap after the Jones TD  
gtt350 : 8/9/2019 9:43 am : link
He Knew, it's over man
RE: Loved what I saw out of DJ..  
BestFeature : 8/9/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14524099 BillKo said:
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..was able to get the team lined up and executed.

But, a few things. He was operating with the #1 unit versus the Jets #2 unit I believe. Still.....it's competition and was his very first game.

All in all, was a great debut and his confidence has to be sky high.

Was finally nice to see the QB behind Eli actually execute! We really never see that in preseason.


This whole "he was operating against #2s" is so overblown. Yes he had more time than he might have but the receivers were well covered. And I'd like to believe that even operating against 1s the offensive line can have a 5 play drive where they give him a pocket. If not that's a HUGE issue. So what exactly was this huge advantage that he had?
Listen. If you're a Giants fan, how can you be anything  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/9/2019 9:53 am : link
but happy with Jones after last night, in addition to the strong camp he's had?
RE: Listen. If you're a Giants fan, how can you be anything  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14524247 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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but happy with Jones after last night, in addition to the strong camp he's had?


Exactly! Isn't this kind of stuff that preseason is for where fans eat up good play? It's like a wet blanket has to be around every corner
RE: RE: Loved what I saw out of DJ..  
jvm52106 : 8/9/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14524242 BestFeature said:
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..was able to get the team lined up and executed.

But, a few things. He was operating with the #1 unit versus the Jets #2 unit I believe. Still.....it's competition and was his very first game.

All in all, was a great debut and his confidence has to be sky high.

Was finally nice to see the QB behind Eli actually execute! We really never see that in preseason.



This whole "he was operating against #2s" is so overblown. Yes he had more time than he might have but the receivers were well covered. And I'd like to believe that even operating against 1s the offensive line can have a 5 play drive where they give him a pocket. If not that's a HUGE issue. So what exactly was this huge advantage that he had?


I agree with that and will add we were playing without Barkley, EE, SS.. Its not like JOnes had an all-pro lineup. The Oline was the starting unit but honestly they have not played much together and it was just their second series as well.. I don't care who plays for the opposition, Jones was on target, decisive and very fluid and in control. You have to be happy with that.
Jones looked good but....  
since1925 : 8/9/2019 9:57 am : link
He threw from a completely clean pocket with loads of time and he always threw to his first read.

Good so far.
There were lots of Jets starters out there when Jones was in  
PatersonPlank : 8/9/2019 9:58 am : link
It was only the 2nd series
Yeah, it was just one pre-season series  
David B. : 8/9/2019 9:58 am : link
But he looked better than Webb ever did, which I grant you isn't saying much.
He didn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 9:58 am : link
always throw to his first read. On one of the passes, he looked one way and then came back to another guy who had cleared through the middle.
RE: RE: RE: Loved what I saw out of DJ..  
BestFeature : 8/9/2019 9:59 am : link
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..was able to get the team lined up and executed.

But, a few things. He was operating with the #1 unit versus the Jets #2 unit I believe. Still.....it's competition and was his very first game.

All in all, was a great debut and his confidence has to be sky high.

Was finally nice to see the QB behind Eli actually execute! We really never see that in preseason.



This whole "he was operating against #2s" is so overblown. Yes he had more time than he might have but the receivers were well covered. And I'd like to believe that even operating against 1s the offensive line can have a 5 play drive where they give him a pocket. If not that's a HUGE issue. So what exactly was this huge advantage that he had?



I agree with that and will add we were playing without Barkley, EE, SS.. Its not like JOnes had an all-pro lineup. The Oline was the starting unit but honestly they have not played much together and it was just their second series as well.. I don't care who plays for the opposition, Jones was on target, decisive and very fluid and in control. You have to be happy with that.


Great point and even with those guys this is a bottom half of the league receiving corps. One we'll play with this season but he wasn't throwing it to the Greatest Show on Turf even without the injuries.
RE: RE: The thing about 'just get a QB next year'  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2019 10:01 am : link
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Is that is felt like empty words from people on the opposite side of the argument. It wasn't supported by some kind of advance knowledge of available QBs. It was an assumption that a QB worthy of the pick would be there.



Is that any more empty than being on the other side of the aisle and saying the opposite? That we definitively missed our chance and wouldn't get another opportunity like we had in 2018 to get one?


Well, frankly that's a lousy argument. I'm not defending that one. The correct discussion is how difficult it is to find a QB (which is true), and even when you get a #1 pick in what's reported to be a great class of QBs, even that can go bad. It's hard to get crazy when a top pick fails, but taking a risk on a prospect that's perceived as 'lower tier' will always be a point of debate.

Jones might go on to have an amazing career, but if he does, the way the Giants got their QB means they beat the odds based on who he was and what his resume was at the draft. It's just reality a fair amount of time, the successful QBs in the league enter the league with a pedigree.
ryan clark on espn  
nygiants16 : 8/9/2019 10:06 am : link
Shurmur really didnt want jones..seriously?
RE: ryan clark on espn  
AcidTest : 8/9/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14524270 nygiants16 said:
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Shurmur really didnt want jones..seriously?


Yeah, didn't understand that.

Jones has looked great in camp, and did as much as could last nigh. But it's one series in one preseason game against a second string defense. Great work, but we need to temper expectations.
RE: He didn't..  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 8/9/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14524258 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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always throw to his first read. On one of the passes, he looked one way and then came back to another guy who had cleared through the middle.


agree...and the throws were on target !

and the rest of you got to stop with the "throwing against 2nd Teamers..." The Jets still have 1/2 their defense in there and its not like Jones had Engram or Sheppard out there...
There are a lot..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 10:11 am : link
of QB's who came from struggling programs and who had middling stats that became successful players in the NFL. Even very successful

Heck, look at Favre's stats and record in college.
Itís not just the one series from last night. Itís also...  
Crispino : 8/9/2019 10:16 am : link
the reviews from coaches, players, reporters and analysts who are pretty unanimously bullish on the kid. Now we have some empirical evidence, albeit in a very small sample size. Yes there will be bumps, but so far, it looks like we may have a kid with real potential.
I'll say this  
Carson53 : 8/9/2019 10:18 am : link
on the TD throw, that was a relatively tight window,
and he was accurate...kind of refreshing to see around here. It's been awhile to see that accuracy.
Good start by the young man.
RE: RE: RE: One series in preseason  
Bill L : 8/9/2019 10:18 am : link
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Doesn't confirm anything either way. Lets slow down a bit here.



Well, if you'd bothered to read it, you'd have seen that there's no proclamation of anything in the OP other than the importance of the QB position and looking forward to the development of Jones.

The OP even goes on to say he doesn't think the team will win more than 6 games.

Leave it to BBI to take issue with anything and everything... even the most innocuous of posts.



You said it proves that QBs existed post 2018. That hasn't been proven yet by Jones. I wasn't referring to the OP

You don't believe QB's exist after 2018?

Wow.
RE: RE: RE: The thing about 'just get a QB next year'  
Bill L : 8/9/2019 10:23 am : link
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Is that is felt like empty words from people on the opposite side of the argument. It wasn't supported by some kind of advance knowledge of available QBs. It was an assumption that a QB worthy of the pick would be there.



Is that any more empty than being on the other side of the aisle and saying the opposite? That we definitively missed our chance and wouldn't get another opportunity like we had in 2018 to get one?



Well, frankly that's a lousy argument. I'm not defending that one. The correct discussion is how difficult it is to find a QB (which is true), and even when you get a #1 pick in what's reported to be a great class of QBs, even that can go bad. It's hard to get crazy when a top pick fails, but taking a risk on a prospect that's perceived as 'lower tier' will always be a point of debate.

Jones might go on to have an amazing career, but if he does, the way the Giants got their QB means they beat the odds based on who he was and what his resume was at the draft. It's just reality a fair amount of time, the successful QBs in the league enter the league with a pedigree.

The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.
Meaning that "perception" is not truth  
Bill L : 8/9/2019 10:24 am : link
and one should not act as if it is.
They..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 10:29 am : link
made this point last night. I can't remember if it was on the broadcast or pre-game with the NFL Network:

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The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.


They basically said that a lot of people were critical of the pick who hadn't even seen Jones play, while guys who had watched him were a lot more positive about him. But those critics use a magic eraser to act like they never questioned him.

It might have been Carl Banks talking about it.
Most people are pretty dumb  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/9/2019 10:37 am : link
They here someone on ESPN "positional value" and give it little more thought, and repeatedly scream about it on forums. A 230lb Faulk/Sanders > GM/coach killing prospects like Rosen and Darnold. There's usually 3 or 4 of them in every draft. SB is generational.
For 10 minutes  
Karl Hungus : 8/9/2019 10:55 am : link
the stadium was positively electrified. Then the rains came.
Not hyperbole  
Thegratefulhead : 8/9/2019 11:18 am : link
I understand everything about small sample size. This evaluation is only on we all saw last night. I didn't see an Eli clone. I saw what Gil Brandt saw. I saw a potential Peyton. There were some first-string jet players in there. Those receivers weren't wide open or blown coverages. Let's all admit the pressure the kid was under. Gettleman was right when he says being a QB in New York is a load. He was fucking booed on draft night. Drafted 6th overall and criticized by everyone. Dude came out and dropped that on us. I know everyone's nervous and no one wants to get too excited but DAMN( you have to admit that was more than just a preseason game for Daniel Jones. I am so fucking stoked today it's stupid.
With Barkley and now Jones,  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/9/2019 11:22 am : link
we might actually be building to something on offense now.

Exciting. The future is bright.
RE: ryan clark on espn  
ZogZerg : 8/9/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14524270 nygiants16 said:
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Shurmur really didnt want jones..seriously?


I'm sure he slammed on the pick and is now making shit up to deflect that. But, he just looks like bigger moron by doing this. ESPN is f-ing Pathetic. I only saw it because they linked it to ESPN Giants section. I would never actually waste my time watching that pathetic show.
I am at the show me point  
PaulN : 8/9/2019 11:48 am : link
But you have to be dead from the neck up not to be thrilled at how Jones looked. But just remember the season Carr had with the Raiders, tell me he wasn't the next star QB, then one injury started the ball rolling. We saw this with Simms, one injury after the other, Simms got back on track, but we need to let the season play out and then evaluate him. It is way too early.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The thing about 'just get a QB next year'  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2019 11:58 am : link
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Is that is felt like empty words from people on the opposite side of the argument. It wasn't supported by some kind of advance knowledge of available QBs. It was an assumption that a QB worthy of the pick would be there.



Is that any more empty than being on the other side of the aisle and saying the opposite? That we definitively missed our chance and wouldn't get another opportunity like we had in 2018 to get one?



Well, frankly that's a lousy argument. I'm not defending that one. The correct discussion is how difficult it is to find a QB (which is true), and even when you get a #1 pick in what's reported to be a great class of QBs, even that can go bad. It's hard to get crazy when a top pick fails, but taking a risk on a prospect that's perceived as 'lower tier' will always be a point of debate.

Jones might go on to have an amazing career, but if he does, the way the Giants got their QB means they beat the odds based on who he was and what his resume was at the draft. It's just reality a fair amount of time, the successful QBs in the league enter the league with a pedigree.


The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.


Who are these football people?
RE: There are a lot..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14524280 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of QB's who came from struggling programs and who had middling stats that became successful players in the NFL. Even very successful

Heck, look at Favre's stats and record in college.


100% agree that you're right. Picks that are questionable at the time can turn out alright. Picks that are 'slam dunks' at the time can flop wildly. There are exceptions to every rule both ways. The hit rate on QBs is a gamble even under the best conditions, picking guys from big schools who put up big numbers can seem safe and yet fail.

Favre was an exception too. Hell, he got traded from the team that drafted him out of character concerns. And who knows how much he benefitted by being able to get to a different NFL team and be coached by guys who knew how to mold QBs. Maybe if he never gets traded, he never has a historical career because he was a hard partier.
If there's anything I've..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 12:11 pm : link
learned throughout the time watching the sport it is that the draft is an inexact science, even as we try to develop methods to make it more exact. You hope sometimes a guy with red flags matures or that a player with middling measurables shines.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The thing about 'just get a QB next year'  
Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2019 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14524568 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.



Who are these football people?


they are the ones that tell you what you want to hear...
If Daniel Jones makes some hay during his NFL career  
Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2019 12:20 pm : link
DG will be well deserving of the credit. In addition to Jones of course...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The thing about 'just get a QB next year'  
Bill L : 8/9/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14524616 Jimmy Googs said:
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The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.



Who are these football people?



they are the ones that tell you what you want to hear...


We've talked about some: Brandt, Casserly, Simms...heck, there was a whole article last week that someone posted talking about the dichotomy between football people and the ESPN-type "analysts".
Bill..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 12:27 pm : link
it doesn't make for a catchy one-line throwaway comment to go and actually do some digging on who said what about the pick!!
RE: Bill..  
arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14524629 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it doesn't make for a catchy one-line throwaway comment to go and actually do some digging on who said what about the pick!!


Don't forget those ellipsis points! Really loves to leave the crowd hanging with such value and insight.

Heck of a way to spend a day.
More of the point being that there sure as hell were other  
Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2019 12:47 pm : link
"football people" that were not positive on Jones from the jump. Clearly not uncommon for fans of a particular team to find/quote the guys that say things that they want to hear or conversely ignore/blast the ones that don't.

sorry that was lost on some...

RE: More of the point being that there sure as hell were other  
Bill L : 8/9/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14524666 Jimmy Googs said:
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"football people" that were not positive on Jones from the jump. Clearly not uncommon for fans of a particular team to find/quote the guys that say things that they want to hear or conversely ignore/blast the ones that don't.

sorry that was lost on some...

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Saw that August article last week as well  
Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2019 1:00 pm : link
the only football (or non-football) person that should matter on Daniel Jones is DG...he is a constituency of one when it comes down to it.

Jones is our next guy no matter what anybody says or said
RE: They..  
ChaChing : 8/9/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14524325 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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made this point last night. I can't remember if it was on the broadcast or pre-game with the NFL Network:
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The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.


They basically said that a lot of people were critical of the pick who hadn't even seen Jones play, while guys who had watched him were a lot more positive about him. But those critics use a magic eraser to act like they never questioned him.

It might have been Carl Banks talking about it.

Good post. Much what I've been saying about media, fans (and therefore BBI posters) really on both sides, but especially the negative ranters

It just amazes me how many people have an opinion to rage about, yet clearly / admittedly haven't watched. WTF kind of analysis uses 1 variable, as if playing QB is all about JUST arm strength? If not just reading other opinions and parroting?

Or people surprised about things he did yesterday that were mostly evident since Duke...accuracy, timing, placement, footwork among others. And now many change their minds off ONE preseason drive, also pretty nonsensical

Far from some reach or awful pick, but like all rook QBs has a long ways to go and a lot to prove
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joeinpa : 8/9/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14524027 arcarsenal said:
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He also showed that QB's did exist after the 2018 draft.... and that it actually was okay to draft Saquon Barkley. It was possible to draft a generational player in #26 and still wind up getting our guy @ QB.

Now, I don't need to explain that Jones has only completed 5 passes and is still essentially a complete unknown.

But if Daniel does pan out... well, then was all of the bellyaching over taking Barkley really necessary?


See they key word in your post is, ďhindsight ď
RE: I for one  
joeinpa : 8/9/2019 1:17 pm : link
In comment 14524059 Boatie Warrant said:
[quote] was more excited about Saquon living up to (and exceeding) the hype last year. I guess because it was a big FU to all those that said you have to pick a QB.

Donít get your point Darnold turned out to be Eli Manning, and Barkley a Marshall Faulk, are you saying you d prefer Faulk?

No one opposed to the Barkley choice didnít understand his talent. You re letting pettiness get in the way of good judgment with this post.
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arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14524702 joeinpa said:
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He also showed that QB's did exist after the 2018 draft.... and that it actually was okay to draft Saquon Barkley. It was possible to draft a generational player in #26 and still wind up getting our guy @ QB.

Now, I don't need to explain that Jones has only completed 5 passes and is still essentially a complete unknown.

But if Daniel does pan out... well, then was all of the bellyaching over taking Barkley really necessary?



See they key word in your post is, ďhindsight ď


Actually, that word isn't in my post at all.
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arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 1:42 pm : link
And for the record, long before we drafted Daniel Jones, I said drafting Saquon Barkley was a fine choice and that the QB didn't necessarily need to come first (see: Rams, Los Angeles - an example I used several times).

Jones may turn out to be an epic bust. But there's really no hindsight involved here. At least not for me.

A GM should never have to apologize for taking the best player in an entire draft.
RE: RE: I for one  
Bill L : 8/9/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14524708 joeinpa said:
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[quote] was more excited about Saquon living up to (and exceeding) the hype last year. I guess because it was a big FU to all those that said you have to pick a QB.

Donít get your point Darnold turned out to be Eli Manning, and Barkley a Marshall Faulk, are you saying you d prefer Faulk?

No one opposed to the Barkley choice didnít understand his talent. You re letting pettiness get in the way of good judgment with this post.


I disagree here. *Many* people here argued that RB's are fungible.
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