What a QB is far superior to anything else you can draft including a RB.
We know it will have bumps along the way for Jones but tell me that the Giants fanbase last night was not super giddy and now are super stoked for pre-season game 2 just to see the kid go out there and try and get better.
The level of excitement that position brings is unlike any in all sports.
Last year with SB we knew he was a stud but the level of happiness and excitement will never match what Jones gave last night and what he will continue to give as he improves along the way.
All I know is that I like my teams future with the combo of 2 great kids in Jones and Barkley
This year I expect no more than 6 wins if that but I will enjoy this season for sure because of the development of Jones and SB along with the young squad we have
The level of happiness today and last night has a lot to do with proving the critics wrong.
I was pretty damn ecstatic last year just after Barkley's first carry in the preseason.
Now, I don't need to explain that Jones has only completed 5 passes and is still essentially a complete unknown.
But if Daniel does pan out... well, then was all of the bellyaching over taking Barkley really necessary?
A lot of us said that. A lot of posters made a gigantic deal out of "wasting" a year of Saquon to do it this way. BFD.
But basically it was all empty words. People who lost their shit because we didn't get a QB last year acted like that class was going to be one of the best ever. And on top of that - after they saw Barkley play, they still maintained he was a terrible pick.
Is that any more empty than being on the other side of the aisle and saying the opposite? That we definitively missed our chance and wouldn't get another opportunity like we had in 2018 to get one?
Turned out, we did indeed have another opportunity - and it came the very next year.
Most of us had the 2018 team picking in the top 10 for sure.... I don't think many people thought last years' team was going to be any good following that 3-13 debacle in 2017.
There are risks no matter what you do. There was no guarantee that Darnold was going to be the goods, either. He looks good, and I think he's going to be good... but I don't think we missed out on Patrick Mahomes III there.
There are lots of ways to construct a roster, doesnt have to start with drafting a QB. Arrow pointing up.
Could have gone Darnold, John Allen, and Josh Jacobs to fill the same spots.
I prefer the way it worked out.
But, a few things. He was operating with the #1 unit versus the Jets #2 unit I believe. Still.....it's competition and was his very first game.
All in all, was a great debut and his confidence has to be sky high.
Was finally nice to see the QB behind Eli actually execute! We really never see that in preseason.
What you CAN be enthusiastic about is that a lot of the new guys are showing talent. That's what you need on a team, the more talent the better. The key here is development...how well they take to coaching, and how good that coaching is.
I know the Defense could look better, but they aren't playing the schemes they will use Day 1, so take that into account. I think we get a lot better pressure opening day, but we'll see.
AJ, I think the OP is only pointing out how exciting it is to start a new journey with a new qb since Qb's have so much impact on the game.
I don't see where they are calling him a success already, just sharing their excitement for last night.
Selecting Barkley last year and Jones this year may turn out to be the best possible scenario but this is an absurd statement: "Last year with SB we knew he was a stud but the level of happiness and excitement will never match what Jones gave last night..." One series in a preseason game makes you happier than Barkley's rookie of the year performance?!
Well, if you'd bothered to read it, you'd have seen that there's no proclamation of anything in the OP other than the importance of the QB position and looking forward to the development of Jones.
The OP even goes on to say he doesn't think the team will win more than 6 games.
Leave it to BBI to take issue with anything and everything... even the most innocuous of posts.
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Doesn't confirm anything either way. Lets slow down a bit here.
Well, if you'd bothered to read it, you'd have seen that there's no proclamation of anything in the OP other than the importance of the QB position and looking forward to the development of Jones.
The OP even goes on to say he doesn't think the team will win more than 6 games.
Leave it to BBI to take issue with anything and everything... even the most innocuous of posts.
You said it proves that QBs existed post 2018. That hasn't been proven yet by Jones. I wasn't referring to the OP
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Doesn't confirm anything either way. Lets slow down a bit here.
Well, if you'd bothered to read it, you'd have seen that there's no proclamation of anything in the OP other than the importance of the QB position and looking forward to the development of Jones.
The OP even goes on to say he doesn't think the team will win more than 6 games.
Leave it to BBI to take issue with anything and everything... even the most innocuous of posts.
You said it proves that QBs existed post 2018. That hasn't been proven yet by Jones. I wasn't referring to the OP
So, QB's didn't exist after last year's draft? Do you know what the word "exist" means?
You might want to read my post again and focus on that second paragraph - the part where I called him a complete unknown.
Or the last paragraph - where I said ...if he pans out.
Again, try reading before responding. I said nothing definitively about Jones other than the fact that it was possible to still get a QB despite punting on the 2018 class.
Make sense or do you need more help?
I have repeatedly praised DG for what he has done by restructuring our team as fast as he did and Im stoked to watch this year play out and definitely next year when Jones takes over the reign to start the season.
And for the record, I am not one of these guys who think we only win 5 games this year. We won that many with a far inferior team. I would expect 7-8 at the minimum, and who knows what the maximum could be....? Stay tuned.
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Good response
Right on again brother.
I agree...Mayfield was the only one last year truly worthy and he was gone. Allen is very inconsistent and is still struggling in Buffalo...too inaccurate for my liking. Im not a Darnold fan either but I guess he is okay, just glad we picked SB instead, especially seeing we have Jones.
But, a few things. He was operating with the #1 unit versus the Jets #2 unit I believe. Still.....it's competition and was his very first game.
All in all, was a great debut and his confidence has to be sky high.
Was finally nice to see the QB behind Eli actually execute! We really never see that in preseason.
This whole "he was operating against #2s" is so overblown. Yes he had more time than he might have but the receivers were well covered. And I'd like to believe that even operating against 1s the offensive line can have a 5 play drive where they give him a pocket. If not that's a HUGE issue. So what exactly was this huge advantage that he had?
Exactly! Isn't this kind of stuff that preseason is for where fans eat up good play? It's like a wet blanket has to be around every corner
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..was able to get the team lined up and executed.
But, a few things. He was operating with the #1 unit versus the Jets #2 unit I believe. Still.....it's competition and was his very first game.
All in all, was a great debut and his confidence has to be sky high.
Was finally nice to see the QB behind Eli actually execute! We really never see that in preseason.
This whole "he was operating against #2s" is so overblown. Yes he had more time than he might have but the receivers were well covered. And I'd like to believe that even operating against 1s the offensive line can have a 5 play drive where they give him a pocket. If not that's a HUGE issue. So what exactly was this huge advantage that he had?
I agree with that and will add we were playing without Barkley, EE, SS.. Its not like JOnes had an all-pro lineup. The Oline was the starting unit but honestly they have not played much together and it was just their second series as well.. I don't care who plays for the opposition, Jones was on target, decisive and very fluid and in control. You have to be happy with that.
Good so far.
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..was able to get the team lined up and executed.
But, a few things. He was operating with the #1 unit versus the Jets #2 unit I believe. Still.....it's competition and was his very first game.
All in all, was a great debut and his confidence has to be sky high.
Was finally nice to see the QB behind Eli actually execute! We really never see that in preseason.
This whole "he was operating against #2s" is so overblown. Yes he had more time than he might have but the receivers were well covered. And I'd like to believe that even operating against 1s the offensive line can have a 5 play drive where they give him a pocket. If not that's a HUGE issue. So what exactly was this huge advantage that he had?
I agree with that and will add we were playing without Barkley, EE, SS.. Its not like JOnes had an all-pro lineup. The Oline was the starting unit but honestly they have not played much together and it was just their second series as well.. I don't care who plays for the opposition, Jones was on target, decisive and very fluid and in control. You have to be happy with that.
Great point and even with those guys this is a bottom half of the league receiving corps. One we'll play with this season but he wasn't throwing it to the Greatest Show on Turf even without the injuries.
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Is that is felt like empty words from people on the opposite side of the argument. It wasn't supported by some kind of advance knowledge of available QBs. It was an assumption that a QB worthy of the pick would be there.
Is that any more empty than being on the other side of the aisle and saying the opposite? That we definitively missed our chance and wouldn't get another opportunity like we had in 2018 to get one?
Well, frankly that's a lousy argument. I'm not defending that one. The correct discussion is how difficult it is to find a QB (which is true), and even when you get a #1 pick in what's reported to be a great class of QBs, even that can go bad. It's hard to get crazy when a top pick fails, but taking a risk on a prospect that's perceived as 'lower tier' will always be a point of debate.
Jones might go on to have an amazing career, but if he does, the way the Giants got their QB means they beat the odds based on who he was and what his resume was at the draft. It's just reality a fair amount of time, the successful QBs in the league enter the league with a pedigree.
Yeah, didn't understand that.
Jones has looked great in camp, and did as much as could last nigh. But it's one series in one preseason game against a second string defense. Great work, but we need to temper expectations.
agree...and the throws were on target !
and the rest of you got to stop with the "throwing against 2nd Teamers..." The Jets still have 1/2 their defense in there and its not like Jones had Engram or Sheppard out there...
Heck, look at Favre's stats and record in college.
and he was accurate...kind of refreshing to see around here. It's been awhile to see that accuracy.
Good start by the young man.
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Doesn't confirm anything either way. Lets slow down a bit here.
Well, if you'd bothered to read it, you'd have seen that there's no proclamation of anything in the OP other than the importance of the QB position and looking forward to the development of Jones.
The OP even goes on to say he doesn't think the team will win more than 6 games.
Leave it to BBI to take issue with anything and everything... even the most innocuous of posts.
You said it proves that QBs existed post 2018. That hasn't been proven yet by Jones. I wasn't referring to the OP
You don't believe QB's exist after 2018?
Wow.
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Is that is felt like empty words from people on the opposite side of the argument. It wasn't supported by some kind of advance knowledge of available QBs. It was an assumption that a QB worthy of the pick would be there.
Is that any more empty than being on the other side of the aisle and saying the opposite? That we definitively missed our chance and wouldn't get another opportunity like we had in 2018 to get one?
Well, frankly that's a lousy argument. I'm not defending that one. The correct discussion is how difficult it is to find a QB (which is true), and even when you get a #1 pick in what's reported to be a great class of QBs, even that can go bad. It's hard to get crazy when a top pick fails, but taking a risk on a prospect that's perceived as 'lower tier' will always be a point of debate.
Jones might go on to have an amazing career, but if he does, the way the Giants got their QB means they beat the odds based on who he was and what his resume was at the draft. It's just reality a fair amount of time, the successful QBs in the league enter the league with a pedigree.
The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.
They basically said that a lot of people were critical of the pick who hadn't even seen Jones play, while guys who had watched him were a lot more positive about him. But those critics use a magic eraser to act like they never questioned him.
It might have been Carl Banks talking about it.
Exciting. The future is bright.
I'm sure he slammed on the pick and is now making shit up to deflect that. But, he just looks like bigger moron by doing this. ESPN is f-ing Pathetic. I only saw it because they linked it to ESPN Giants section. I would never actually waste my time watching that pathetic show.
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Is that is felt like empty words from people on the opposite side of the argument. It wasn't supported by some kind of advance knowledge of available QBs. It was an assumption that a QB worthy of the pick would be there.
Is that any more empty than being on the other side of the aisle and saying the opposite? That we definitively missed our chance and wouldn't get another opportunity like we had in 2018 to get one?
Well, frankly that's a lousy argument. I'm not defending that one. The correct discussion is how difficult it is to find a QB (which is true), and even when you get a #1 pick in what's reported to be a great class of QBs, even that can go bad. It's hard to get crazy when a top pick fails, but taking a risk on a prospect that's perceived as 'lower tier' will always be a point of debate.
Jones might go on to have an amazing career, but if he does, the way the Giants got their QB means they beat the odds based on who he was and what his resume was at the draft. It's just reality a fair amount of time, the successful QBs in the league enter the league with a pedigree.
The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.
Who are these football people?
Heck, look at Favre's stats and record in college.
100% agree that you're right. Picks that are questionable at the time can turn out alright. Picks that are 'slam dunks' at the time can flop wildly. There are exceptions to every rule both ways. The hit rate on QBs is a gamble even under the best conditions, picking guys from big schools who put up big numbers can seem safe and yet fail.
Favre was an exception too. Hell, he got traded from the team that drafted him out of character concerns. And who knows how much he benefitted by being able to get to a different NFL team and be coached by guys who knew how to mold QBs. Maybe if he never gets traded, he never has a historical career because he was a hard partier.
The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.
Who are these football people?
they are the ones that tell you what you want to hear...
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The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.
Who are these football people?
they are the ones that tell you what you want to hear...
We've talked about some: Brandt, Casserly, Simms...heck, there was a whole article last week that someone posted talking about the dichotomy between football people and the ESPN-type "analysts".
Don't forget those ellipsis points! Really loves to leave the crowd hanging with such value and insight.
Heck of a way to spend a day.
sorry that was lost on some...
sorry that was lost on some...
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Jones is our next guy no matter what anybody says or said
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The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.
They basically said that a lot of people were critical of the pick who hadn't even seen Jones play, while guys who had watched him were a lot more positive about him. But those critics use a magic eraser to act like they never questioned him.
It might have been Carl Banks talking about it.
Good post. Much what I've been saying about media, fans (and therefore BBI posters) really on both sides, but especially the negative ranters
It just amazes me how many people have an opinion to rage about, yet clearly / admittedly haven't watched. WTF kind of analysis uses 1 variable, as if playing QB is all about JUST arm strength? If not just reading other opinions and parroting?
Or people surprised about things he did yesterday that were mostly evident since Duke...accuracy, timing, placement, footwork among others. And now many change their minds off ONE preseason drive, also pretty nonsensical
Far from some reach or awful pick, but like all rook QBs has a long ways to go and a lot to prove
Now, I don't need to explain that Jones has only completed 5 passes and is still essentially a complete unknown.
But if Daniel does pan out... well, then was all of the bellyaching over taking Barkley really necessary?
See they key word in your post is, hindsight
[quote] was more excited about Saquon living up to (and exceeding) the hype last year. I guess because it was a big FU to all those that said you have to pick a QB.
Dont get your point Darnold turned out to be Eli Manning, and Barkley a Marshall Faulk, are you saying you d prefer Faulk?
No one opposed to the Barkley choice didnt understand his talent. You re letting pettiness get in the way of good judgment with this post.
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He also showed that QB's did exist after the 2018 draft.... and that it actually was okay to draft Saquon Barkley. It was possible to draft a generational player in #26 and still wind up getting our guy @ QB.
Now, I don't need to explain that Jones has only completed 5 passes and is still essentially a complete unknown.
But if Daniel does pan out... well, then was all of the bellyaching over taking Barkley really necessary?
See they key word in your post is, hindsight
Actually, that word isn't in my post at all.
Jones may turn out to be an epic bust. But there's really no hindsight involved here. At least not for me.
A GM should never have to apologize for taking the best player in an entire draft.
[quote] was more excited about Saquon living up to (and exceeding) the hype last year. I guess because it was a big FU to all those that said you have to pick a QB.
Dont get your point Darnold turned out to be Eli Manning, and Barkley a Marshall Faulk, are you saying you d prefer Faulk?
No one opposed to the Barkley choice didnt understand his talent. You re letting pettiness get in the way of good judgment with this post.
I disagree here. *Many* people here argued that RB's are fungible.