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Daniel Jones in one series showed

Junior22 : 8/9/2019 8:06 am
What a QB is far superior to anything else you can draft including a RB.

We know it will have bumps along the way for Jones but tell me that the Giants fanbase last night was not super giddy and now are super stoked for pre-season game 2 just to see the kid go out there and try and get better.

The level of excitement that position brings is unlike any in all sports.

Last year with SB we knew he was a stud but the level of happiness and excitement will never match what Jones gave last night and what he will continue to give as he improves along the way.

All I know is that I like my teams future with the combo of 2 great kids in Jones and Barkley

This year I expect no more than 6 wins if that but I will enjoy this season for sure because of the development of Jones and SB along with the young squad we have
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Amen  
joeinpa : 8/9/2019 8:10 am : link
Especially to the idea of what a young quarterback brings to a franchise and its fan base
Barkley was a consensus top pick in the draft  
RobCarpenter : 8/9/2019 8:15 am : link
And Jones was supposedly a second round talent.

The level of happiness today and last night has a lot to do with proving the critics wrong.
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 8:17 am : link
the level of happiness today comes from the belief that the arrow is pointing upwards and we have a lot of young players that LOOK capable of contributing at a decent level.

I was pretty damn ecstatic last year just after Barkley's first carry in the preseason.
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arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 8:19 am : link
He also showed that QB's did exist after the 2018 draft.... and that it actually was okay to draft Saquon Barkley. It was possible to draft a generational player in #26 and still wind up getting our guy @ QB.

Now, I don't need to explain that Jones has only completed 5 passes and is still essentially a complete unknown.

But if Daniel does pan out... well, then was all of the bellyaching over taking Barkley really necessary?
In hindsight no.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2019 8:22 am : link
But hindsight is always undefeated.
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arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 8:26 am : link
Is it really hindsight if it's been the same argument since last year? That we could still get the QB this year?

A lot of us said that. A lot of posters made a gigantic deal out of "wasting" a year of Saquon to do it this way. BFD.
Jones  
mdthedream : 8/9/2019 8:28 am : link
was not a second round talent.
The thing about 'just get a QB next year'  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2019 8:29 am : link
Is that is felt like empty words from people on the opposite side of the argument. It wasn't supported by some kind of advance knowledge of available QBs. It was an assumption that a QB worthy of the pick would be there.
The Giants  
mdthedream : 8/9/2019 8:29 am : link
picked the best player Barkley and I am very happy they did. I liked Mayfield the best at QB and he was gone. Thank god we didn't take Rosen.
RE: The thing about 'just get a QB next year'  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 8:30 am : link
In comment 14524046 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Is that is felt like empty words from people on the opposite side of the argument. It wasn't supported by some kind of advance knowledge of available QBs. It was an assumption that a QB worthy of the pick would be there.


But basically it was all empty words. People who lost their shit because we didn't get a QB last year acted like that class was going to be one of the best ever. And on top of that - after they saw Barkley play, they still maintained he was a terrible pick.
RE: The thing about 'just get a QB next year'  
arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 8:34 am : link
In comment 14524046 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Is that is felt like empty words from people on the opposite side of the argument. It wasn't supported by some kind of advance knowledge of available QBs. It was an assumption that a QB worthy of the pick would be there.


Is that any more empty than being on the other side of the aisle and saying the opposite? That we definitively missed our chance and wouldn't get another opportunity like we had in 2018 to get one?

Turned out, we did indeed have another opportunity - and it came the very next year.

Most of us had the 2018 team picking in the top 10 for sure.... I don't think many people thought last years' team was going to be any good following that 3-13 debacle in 2017.

There are risks no matter what you do. There was no guarantee that Darnold was going to be the goods, either. He looks good, and I think he's going to be good... but I don't think we missed out on Patrick Mahomes III there.
I for one  
Boatie Warrant : 8/9/2019 8:34 am : link
was more excited about Saquon living up to (and exceeding) the hype last year. I guess because it was a big FU to all those that said you have to pick a QB. I guess Jones doing well kind of does the same thing, but not really.
Was extremely happy with Barkley...  
Britt in VA : 8/9/2019 8:35 am : link
Was extremely happy with the Jones pick.

There are lots of ways to construct a roster, doesnt have to start with drafting a QB. Arrow pointing up.
Roster construction  
Csonka : 8/9/2019 8:45 am : link
We went Barkley, Jones, Lawrence.
Could have gone Darnold, John Allen, and Josh Jacobs to fill the same spots.

I prefer the way it worked out.
I'm sorry, but one series in the preseason  
Beer Man : 8/9/2019 8:49 am : link
shows nothing more than a reason to be optimistic. And where I agree that finding a franchise QB is one the most important duties of a GM, it does not mean that they have to draft a QB if they don't feel he is the right guy, even if there is a need. With Eli still on the roster it provided DG a 2 to 3 year window to find the next franchise QB. Obviously, in 2018 he felt that to get Barkley (a generational talent) was worth pushing out the QB decision to at least another year (and since we don't have access to his draft board, we don't know how he viewed the 2018 QB class). The team now has a generational talent at RB, and after last night, there is growing optimism that we may have our next franchise QB. If Jones can repeat consistently what he did last night, then who can fault DG for how he navigated the last two drafts.
Loved what I saw out of DJ..  
BillKo : 8/9/2019 8:53 am : link
..was able to get the team lined up and executed.

But, a few things. He was operating with the #1 unit versus the Jets #2 unit I believe. Still.....it's competition and was his very first game.

All in all, was a great debut and his confidence has to be sky high.

Was finally nice to see the QB behind Eli actually execute! We really never see that in preseason.
We Have had two successful drafts in a row  
Chip : 8/9/2019 8:54 am : link
What the hell is going on around here
Becoming Apparent that Jones Doesn't Stink,  
clatterbuck : 8/9/2019 9:05 am : link
that he's got enough arm talent plus the head, the eyes, the attitude, and the football smarts to be the Giants franchise QB for a long time. He's been showing these traits since day one of rookie mini-camp. If this continues Gettleman should have the chance to smack every armchair expert upside the head with a rolled up newspaper, starting with Pat Leonard. To paraphrase some guy named Parcells, let's not start the bus to Canton yet, but I just don't think "third-round talent" QBs come out of the gate the way Jones did last night.
The highs and lows on BBI are amazing  
JohnF : 8/9/2019 9:10 am : link
Hey, Jones looked great last night, but remember, this is pre-season, and everyone is playing vanilla. I love the pick too, but DJ is going to have highs and lows, just like any other rookie coming in. Hernandez at guard would be a great example of that last year.

What you CAN be enthusiastic about is that a lot of the new guys are showing talent. That's what you need on a team, the more talent the better. The key here is development...how well they take to coaching, and how good that coaching is.

I know the Defense could look better, but they aren't playing the schemes they will use Day 1, so take that into account. I think we get a lot better pressure opening day, but we'll see.
One series in preseason  
ajr2456 : 8/9/2019 9:12 am : link
Doesn't confirm anything either way. Lets slow down a bit here.
RE: One series in preseason  
crick n NC : 8/9/2019 9:15 am : link
In comment 14524146 ajr2456 said:
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Doesn't confirm anything either way. Lets slow down a bit here.


AJ, I think the OP is only pointing out how exciting it is to start a new journey with a new qb since Qb's have so much impact on the game.

I don't see where they are calling him a success already, just sharing their excitement for last night.
I'm not sure what your point is.  
Jerry K : 8/9/2019 9:16 am : link
It sounds like you're knocking the Giants for not selecting a QB last year.

Selecting Barkley last year and Jones this year may turn out to be the best possible scenario but this is an absurd statement: "Last year with SB we knew he was a stud but the level of happiness and excitement will never match what Jones gave last night..." One series in a preseason game makes you happier than Barkley's rookie of the year performance?!
RE: One series in preseason  
arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14524146 ajr2456 said:
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Doesn't confirm anything either way. Lets slow down a bit here.


Well, if you'd bothered to read it, you'd have seen that there's no proclamation of anything in the OP other than the importance of the QB position and looking forward to the development of Jones.

The OP even goes on to say he doesn't think the team will win more than 6 games.

Leave it to BBI to take issue with anything and everything... even the most innocuous of posts.
Jerry  
crick n NC : 8/9/2019 9:21 am : link
The OP is pointing out how much excitement qbs bring to the game, especially new highly touted qbs, since they have so much impact on the game. It's a different level of excitement, at least for me. I loved the Barkley pick, and was gaga over him after his first play last preseason.
RE: RE: One series in preseason  
ajr2456 : 8/9/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14524167 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14524146 ajr2456 said:


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Doesn't confirm anything either way. Lets slow down a bit here.



Well, if you'd bothered to read it, you'd have seen that there's no proclamation of anything in the OP other than the importance of the QB position and looking forward to the development of Jones.

The OP even goes on to say he doesn't think the team will win more than 6 games.

Leave it to BBI to take issue with anything and everything... even the most innocuous of posts.


You said it proves that QBs existed post 2018. That hasn't been proven yet by Jones. I wasn't referring to the OP
IMO, and its only my opinion, I think DJ has already shown  
PatersonPlank : 8/9/2019 9:24 am : link
more than Rosen and Josh Allen, 2 of the top 10 from last season. Also I don't see daylight between him and "super Darnold" either (who I admittedly never wanted or liked). Mayfield was a gem, but he was gone. If we got Barkley and then a guy who plays better than the QB's above we hit a home run.
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arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14524176 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14524146 ajr2456 said:


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Doesn't confirm anything either way. Lets slow down a bit here.



Well, if you'd bothered to read it, you'd have seen that there's no proclamation of anything in the OP other than the importance of the QB position and looking forward to the development of Jones.

The OP even goes on to say he doesn't think the team will win more than 6 games.

Leave it to BBI to take issue with anything and everything... even the most innocuous of posts.



You said it proves that QBs existed post 2018. That hasn't been proven yet by Jones. I wasn't referring to the OP


So, QB's didn't exist after last year's draft? Do you know what the word "exist" means?

You might want to read my post again and focus on that second paragraph - the part where I called him a complete unknown.

Or the last paragraph - where I said ...if he pans out.

Again, try reading before responding. I said nothing definitively about Jones other than the fact that it was possible to still get a QB despite punting on the 2018 class.

Make sense or do you need more help?
That was  
Josh in the City : 8/9/2019 9:29 am : link
about as impressive a debut as you could have scripted. I'm been vocal against this pick but I hope to hell that I'm wrong. So far, so good!
Im smiling big again today  
5BowlsSoon : 8/9/2019 9:30 am : link
I believed Barkley last year was the right call and I have never doubted that Jones was the right call. I watched a ton of tape on Jones before the draft and after and was won over with what I saw. I know those are mostly positive tape but you still can see, he has some special qualities.

I have repeatedly praised DG for what he has done by restructuring our team as fast as he did and Im stoked to watch this year play out and definitely next year when Jones takes over the reign to start the season.

And for the record, I am not one of these guys who think we only win 5 games this year. We won that many with a far inferior team. I would expect 7-8 at the minimum, and who knows what the maximum could be....? Stay tuned.
Jones wasnt even needed to know QBs existed past 2018.  
Britt in VA : 8/9/2019 9:35 am : link
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RE: That was  
crick n NC : 8/9/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14524190 Josh in the City said:
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about as impressive a debut as you could have scripted. I'm been vocal against this pick but I hope to hell that I'm wrong. So far, so good!


👍
Good response
RE: IMO, and its only my opinion, I think DJ has already shown  
5BowlsSoon : 8/9/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14524178 PatersonPlank said:
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more than Rosen and Josh Allen, 2 of the top 10 from last season. Also I don't see daylight between him and "super Darnold" either (who I admittedly never wanted or liked). Mayfield was a gem, but he was gone. If we got Barkley and then a guy who plays better than the QB's above we hit a home run.


Right on again brother.
I agree...Mayfield was the only one last year truly worthy and he was gone. Allen is very inconsistent and is still struggling in Buffalo...too inaccurate for my liking. Im not a Darnold fan either but I guess he is okay, just glad we picked SB instead, especially seeing we have Jones.
did you see Eli's soft slow clap after the Jones TD  
gtt350 : 8/9/2019 9:43 am : link
He Knew, it's over man
RE: Loved what I saw out of DJ..  
BestFeature : 8/9/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14524099 BillKo said:
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..was able to get the team lined up and executed.

But, a few things. He was operating with the #1 unit versus the Jets #2 unit I believe. Still.....it's competition and was his very first game.

All in all, was a great debut and his confidence has to be sky high.

Was finally nice to see the QB behind Eli actually execute! We really never see that in preseason.


This whole "he was operating against #2s" is so overblown. Yes he had more time than he might have but the receivers were well covered. And I'd like to believe that even operating against 1s the offensive line can have a 5 play drive where they give him a pocket. If not that's a HUGE issue. So what exactly was this huge advantage that he had?
Listen. If you're a Giants fan, how can you be anything  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/9/2019 9:53 am : link
but happy with Jones after last night, in addition to the strong camp he's had?
RE: Listen. If you're a Giants fan, how can you be anything  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14524247 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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but happy with Jones after last night, in addition to the strong camp he's had?


Exactly! Isn't this kind of stuff that preseason is for where fans eat up good play? It's like a wet blanket has to be around every corner
RE: RE: Loved what I saw out of DJ..  
jvm52106 : 8/9/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14524242 BestFeature said:
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In comment 14524099 BillKo said:


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..was able to get the team lined up and executed.

But, a few things. He was operating with the #1 unit versus the Jets #2 unit I believe. Still.....it's competition and was his very first game.

All in all, was a great debut and his confidence has to be sky high.

Was finally nice to see the QB behind Eli actually execute! We really never see that in preseason.



This whole "he was operating against #2s" is so overblown. Yes he had more time than he might have but the receivers were well covered. And I'd like to believe that even operating against 1s the offensive line can have a 5 play drive where they give him a pocket. If not that's a HUGE issue. So what exactly was this huge advantage that he had?


I agree with that and will add we were playing without Barkley, EE, SS.. Its not like JOnes had an all-pro lineup. The Oline was the starting unit but honestly they have not played much together and it was just their second series as well.. I don't care who plays for the opposition, Jones was on target, decisive and very fluid and in control. You have to be happy with that.
Jones looked good but....  
since1925 : 8/9/2019 9:57 am : link
He threw from a completely clean pocket with loads of time and he always threw to his first read.

Good so far.
There were lots of Jets starters out there when Jones was in  
PatersonPlank : 8/9/2019 9:58 am : link
It was only the 2nd series
Yeah, it was just one pre-season series  
David B. : 8/9/2019 9:58 am : link
But he looked better than Webb ever did, which I grant you isn't saying much.
He didn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 9:58 am : link
always throw to his first read. On one of the passes, he looked one way and then came back to another guy who had cleared through the middle.
RE: RE: RE: Loved what I saw out of DJ..  
BestFeature : 8/9/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14524252 jvm52106 said:
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..was able to get the team lined up and executed.

But, a few things. He was operating with the #1 unit versus the Jets #2 unit I believe. Still.....it's competition and was his very first game.

All in all, was a great debut and his confidence has to be sky high.

Was finally nice to see the QB behind Eli actually execute! We really never see that in preseason.



This whole "he was operating against #2s" is so overblown. Yes he had more time than he might have but the receivers were well covered. And I'd like to believe that even operating against 1s the offensive line can have a 5 play drive where they give him a pocket. If not that's a HUGE issue. So what exactly was this huge advantage that he had?



I agree with that and will add we were playing without Barkley, EE, SS.. Its not like JOnes had an all-pro lineup. The Oline was the starting unit but honestly they have not played much together and it was just their second series as well.. I don't care who plays for the opposition, Jones was on target, decisive and very fluid and in control. You have to be happy with that.


Great point and even with those guys this is a bottom half of the league receiving corps. One we'll play with this season but he wasn't throwing it to the Greatest Show on Turf even without the injuries.
RE: RE: The thing about 'just get a QB next year'  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14524058 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14524046 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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Is that is felt like empty words from people on the opposite side of the argument. It wasn't supported by some kind of advance knowledge of available QBs. It was an assumption that a QB worthy of the pick would be there.



Is that any more empty than being on the other side of the aisle and saying the opposite? That we definitively missed our chance and wouldn't get another opportunity like we had in 2018 to get one?


Well, frankly that's a lousy argument. I'm not defending that one. The correct discussion is how difficult it is to find a QB (which is true), and even when you get a #1 pick in what's reported to be a great class of QBs, even that can go bad. It's hard to get crazy when a top pick fails, but taking a risk on a prospect that's perceived as 'lower tier' will always be a point of debate.

Jones might go on to have an amazing career, but if he does, the way the Giants got their QB means they beat the odds based on who he was and what his resume was at the draft. It's just reality a fair amount of time, the successful QBs in the league enter the league with a pedigree.
ryan clark on espn  
nygiants16 : 8/9/2019 10:06 am : link
Shurmur really didnt want jones..seriously?
RE: ryan clark on espn  
AcidTest : 8/9/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14524270 nygiants16 said:
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Shurmur really didnt want jones..seriously?


Yeah, didn't understand that.

Jones has looked great in camp, and did as much as could last nigh. But it's one series in one preseason game against a second string defense. Great work, but we need to temper expectations.
RE: He didn't..  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 8/9/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14524258 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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always throw to his first read. On one of the passes, he looked one way and then came back to another guy who had cleared through the middle.


agree...and the throws were on target !

and the rest of you got to stop with the "throwing against 2nd Teamers..." The Jets still have 1/2 their defense in there and its not like Jones had Engram or Sheppard out there...
There are a lot..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 10:11 am : link
of QB's who came from struggling programs and who had middling stats that became successful players in the NFL. Even very successful

Heck, look at Favre's stats and record in college.
Its not just the one series from last night. Its also...  
Crispino : 8/9/2019 10:16 am : link
the reviews from coaches, players, reporters and analysts who are pretty unanimously bullish on the kid. Now we have some empirical evidence, albeit in a very small sample size. Yes there will be bumps, but so far, it looks like we may have a kid with real potential.
I'll say this  
Carson53 : 8/9/2019 10:18 am : link
on the TD throw, that was a relatively tight window,
and he was accurate...kind of refreshing to see around here. It's been awhile to see that accuracy.
Good start by the young man.
RE: RE: RE: One series in preseason  
Bill L : 8/9/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14524176 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14524146 ajr2456 said:


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Doesn't confirm anything either way. Lets slow down a bit here.



Well, if you'd bothered to read it, you'd have seen that there's no proclamation of anything in the OP other than the importance of the QB position and looking forward to the development of Jones.

The OP even goes on to say he doesn't think the team will win more than 6 games.

Leave it to BBI to take issue with anything and everything... even the most innocuous of posts.



You said it proves that QBs existed post 2018. That hasn't been proven yet by Jones. I wasn't referring to the OP

You don't believe QB's exist after 2018?

Wow.
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